Yeah alicent in the grand scheme of things had very little to do with it. Otto was scheming this from the start by having alicent marry viserys

You are right, they were planning it, but saying that mistake has no consequences is wild. Alicent is not some random commoners, she's literally mother of so called successor and she had more control over him than Otto had. I'm not even talking about that at first Aegon didn't even want to be king, and if Alicent didn't mistake Viserys' words she would speak up against all of that and to put Aegon on the throne would be much much harder. But green defenders gotta do their thing, thats ok

@@Aaniel_al.Meara. Aegon didn't even believe his father named him & didn't even want to be king, too.

I don't believe Otto could've pulled it off without Alicent's support. She would've stood in his way.

Alicent would have been cast aside make NO mistake This reveal didn’t change any externals but it did make things internally more clear for Rhaenyra that she HAS to go hard to war

Different actor, right?

@@jonah5548 we never saw his face he was in full tourney armor

​@yeetthatmolotov we get a brief shot of his face and the actor has changed I'm 90% sure

​@thomasluke-wp8or in ep 1 it was the actual stuntperson in that scene. They hadn't cast Gwayne for his official role yet

@@yeetthatmolotov well this actor was hired specifically for this season so he cant have been the one in season 1. Though I like to think he was there all along.

The Hatfields and the McCoys of Westeros

Don't count House Blackwood out of the fight yet. And both House Blackwood and House Bracken are healthy in the time of Game of Thrones.

Brackens and Blackwoods are the Hatfields and Mccoys of the Riverlands

Also what the heck does craven mean? They use it as an insult lol

@@Randomyoutubecommenter I think it means cowardly.

I can't get it full bro pls explain me

No diddy, cocks out was a power move right there. I call that the thunderclap

Whose Cock bro aemond or others

@@rajendrang2435she means the because of the memes

The most toxic people are on Twitter they suit there

True but Alicent could have swayed Aegon to not accept the throne since he didn’t want it at that point.

She didn't blame Alicent, she blamed Greens.

@@Hocotun They were talking about Alicent specifically no?

Arguably, there was never anything Alicent could do about it. Otto was told by his older brother to push Aegon, in episode 3 of season 1. Episode 5, Otto told Alicent to push Aegon. Episode 9, Alicent told the Council about Viserys's "last minute change of heart" and their reaction was basically "Oh. That's nice. Well anyway, on to our plans we already had in place..." Alicent didn't help anything with her misunderstanding, but she was never going to be able to safeguard Rhaenyra's claim...

Alicent literally tried to attack him in court coming at him with a knife before rhae left…. Dude 😂

@@sarahkrig6375 we are going to talk about things that happened 8 years in the past? Of course she was wrong for that. She was also reacting to the fact that her son also just had his eye cut out by the Strongs.

Taking Rhaenyra captive actually could have been the thing that hastened the war to it's close. You're so right, it's too late for the royal family to come back together, but the sooner they end the war the fewer people will be dying in battles, raids, burning villages to the ground, etc. Alicent just letting her go was crazy. Do the writers want us to think Alicent is just stupid?

@@pajamaparty01 she was honoring the friendship and the spirit in which R came.

Wow, Daemon's conscience debuting on screen for the first time!

True, he views the children as innocent and they are Targaryen as well. He loves his family, he wanted Aemond the one that killed Luce.

Nah he just likes them young

season 1 did a good job sowing the seeds of both the smallfolk and members of the council not taking rhaenyra’s claim seriously but i think most viewers kinda forgot about it, lol.

The show does NOT do a bad job, anybody with brains knows there is nothing she can do. Dont start blaming the writers because they assumed their audience was of average intelligence.

Otto could not have pulled off his scheme to install Aegon on the throne without Alicent's help. She absolutely has power and influence of her own despite the patriarchy, especially right after Viserys died.

@@rexibhazoboa7097 writing is bad

Surely you can’t be serious

Maybe his baldness prevents him from seeing the middle of black and white.

I watch a lot of reactors, I’ve seen an overwhelming support for Rhanerya’s side. Westeros might consider it grey, Earth does not

It was her

Yeah I noticed that too

It's Dyana, they said she will probly poisoned Aegon

Ohh, didnt know it was her.

The reason the kids attacked him was because the girls thought they should be first to try and tame her since she was their mother's dragon. There was just too much tension between the boys

Dude these are 12 year olds in an adult body, they don't understand the show they have created their biases

I think taking her captive absolutely could have hastened the end of the war. Not stopped it immediately, as long as Daemon lives that could never happen. But it would give them such a huge advantage to make demands. I think most of Rhaenyra's family would rather her be captive than dead. And it's likely most houses (except the most blood thirsty) would assume at that point it was too late and the Greens had won.

@@pajamaparty01 not at all, even if Daemon was out the picture. Her entire council is itching to attack, the overwhelming number of dragons they have, they could care less what the casualties are. The blacks can easily end the entire greens and Hightower’s bloodline in the matter of days, but kings landing along with the blacks suffering many loses. I wish they did let Daemon do it his way, would be more fun

Sin begets sin begets sin. Lord Strong had said to Damon. I wish they would have named this episode ‘The Conciliator”

Ikr 😭

@@thomasluke-wp8orCody is like “You can stop!” 😂😂😂 that had me in stitches

Nah did the actors really get slopped off for TV😂

@@michaeljohn6357 sign me up 👀😂

@@michaeljohn6357 Looks fake af tho lol

It is very ironic tho because AEMOND HIMSELF is the one who said a dragon for an eye was fair…. And now 15 years later he’s still acting like he didn’t get repaid already

@@sarahkrig6375 It really is just a group of men who can't let go of the past lol Aemond can't get over losing an eye & being bullied. Aegon can't get over his father's lack of love/attention. Daemon can't get over not being his brother's choice. Cole can't get over breaking his oath.

@@sproductionsinc and Otto. The guy was the hand to two different kings before aegon. Literally already built a legacy. His daughter was queen of the realm for DECADES but that wasn’t enough….

@@sarahkrig6375 Aemond clearly said it to calm Alicent and save his mother's life because everything in that situation was to the detriment of Aemond and his family. Viserys was clearly on Rhaenyra's side and could condemn Alicent. That the exchange is fair was just a meaningless word. Because no dragon rider should trade his own body for a dragon. It is their right to claim the dragon. If the dragon doesn't want it, it will kill him, but it is unreasonable and unfair for others to hurt him for claiming the dragon. Even though we know that person will be disabled all his life just because he claimed his right.

@@blackrose4732 Aemond didn’t give a single shit how alicent felt about it lmao he got literally the biggest and most feared dragon in the realm. It was more than fair. He agreed it was more than fair. He never had a right to that dragon.

aegon is lowkey the funniest character in the whole show

I liked what the writers did with her for most of season 1, they made her more sympathetic to a lot of people. But now I think they are just making her stupid, and that's disappointing.

True. That bald reactor is an extreme bias hater.

@@hackt3d As he said in the beginning, he is just having fun. This is his channel for gods sake.

@@hackt3d "The bald reactor" shows you're new to this channel. Not a channel for you, cause we're all chill here. These are fictional characters ffs.

​@@rexibhazoboa7097 it's not very fun to watch unconscious misogyny, especially when so much of their outrage at alicent is phrased as "that's cause she's a terrible mom" or "you raised horrible kids". they're blinded by their hatred for her hypocrisy and ignore the fact that she's been a victim of patriarchy just as much, if not even moreso than Rhaenyra. At least Rhaenyra got to choose who she could be with, Alicent was maritally r*ped for years and not an ounce of sympathy was afforded to her.

Alicent basing her coup on the dying words of an old man, high with milk of the poppy is royally stupid. I wish Alicent stole the throne out of fear or greed it would have been much better story telling...

Alicent was a hypocrite… She literally wanted Luke’s eye in that scene. It was also none of HER business what Rhaenyra was doing with either Criston or daemon. Daemon groomed her at such a young age. Alicent also is getting with cole in every episode. Alicent has always been jealous of rhaenyra bc… Shes a better mother, Queen, PERSON. etc 💅🏾

@@ulovexy 1: why would any of that mean Alicent would believe Rhaenyra when she said what to anyone in their world would sound like a ridiculous obvious lie? 2: it's not hypocrisy to seek justice, even if it's barbaric, literal eye for an eye justice 3: whom the king or queen sleeps with us literally everyone's business in the entire realm 4: Daemon being a bad influence makes Rhaenyra less trustworthy (remember the issue here is trust, not just blame), because they got married and he's still influencing her. 5: Alicent being a self serving hypocrite means she's less likely to believe Rhaenyra. I'm not denying Alicent's many flaws, I'm pointing out Rhaenyra's.

@@ulovexy it was her business because this show is how patriarchy is bad, and the fact that the only reason Rhaenyra got away with anything was because she had the backing of the patriarchy, in her father, the literal patriarch.

@@andalilbitqueer it’s not her business at all 😭 the only person who should care was viserys.

@@ulovexy It absolutely was her business to be angry at the fact that Rhaenyra had the ability to do anything she wanted just because Viserys, the patriarch, favored her, and while her anger is misplaced, it was 100% justified.

She wanted his eye lol💀🙏

@@shantanutoraskar428 and rhaenyra wanted aemond, but neither got what they wanted did they?

@@jvdpc7 As he said, he is reacting for fun. If you want a completely serious reaction, there are many great channels for that. I can even give suggestions.

​@@jvdpc7boo hoo people are biased towards side who isn't fcked up and fights against dumb usurpers, how come.

@@Aaniel_al.Meara. ooh boy, goodluck watching the next 2-3 seasons.

the prophecy is only in the show. Don't know how much saying GRRM has over the show

@DiegoFernandesLima GRRM confirmed the prophecy inspired Aegon to conquer the Seven Kingdoms, it was the show that created the idea that this was something passed down from ruler to heir.

everyone would think it was an invented justification to legitimize Aegon's conquest.

It's heavily speculated that Torrhen Stark knew about it too, and that's a big reason why he knelt during the conquest. It isn't strictly from the show only, people have been speculating that Aegon had this prophecy and that's what led him to conquest for decades now - but there's not much reason to tell anybody outside the family about it since it concerns Targs specifically. It's all about the prince that was promised, so not sure what anybody else would do with that. You could even argue in the books that the prophecy was lost EARLY on - we don't know if Maegor was ever told, nor Jaehaerys. The only thing we know for sure is that Rhaegar re-discovered it, and that's why he kidnapped Lyanna Stark.

@octaviohenrique6079 he had no reason to legitimise his claim, though. Outside Dorne, there was no one capable or willing to oppose him.

Shhhh girlboss should reign.

You’re doing the same thing though absolving Alicent and Otto taking advantage of a king who was mourning the death of his wife, then she chose to seduce her way to royalty. Like you said she didn’t love Viserys at all

@@tendonimogoka6443 refuse to argue with someone that will accuse a 14-year-old girl in a patriarchal feudal system of the seduction of a 40 something year old man, all the while is clearly exhibiting extreme signs of anxiety. The actors have also said Alicent loved viserys but more in a father way because he watched her grow up and she had to take care of him for 20+ years, not in a passionate romantic way. Alicent never wanted to be queen, she wanted whatever her father wanted because that’s the way young girls are raised. To listen to their fathers, their husband and their sons all throughout their lives and simplifying her in such a way is so disappointing and it shows you really don’t get the message of the show. Of course, alicent is not perfect. She does not need to be perfect to still be a victim nor is she entirely blameless, especially in the raising of her children, but putting it all on her as if it’s not one big wheel and she’s just spoke on it..? Cmon.

I agree everyone is to blame at the end but Otto is the one who started this from the very beginning when Rhaenyra was to be the heir. He’s the one that plotted to have his daughter seduce the king in order for his family to get into power. You want to speak on both sides are to share the blame sure, but who really started this from the very beginning matters and for as smart as Otto is what did he expect from Aegon? A kid who they never trained to be king, immature brat who they literally had trouble after trouble with him growing up. Did they think he would magically be an obeying pawn? As far as Alicent, what kind of a fool would think someone in the conditions and age that Vis was in would change his mind about Aegon, a kid he never even favored his entire life over his daughter who he every single chance reinforced her claim. If you ask me, the greens are morons, complete fools. As far as the blacks, Daemon may be rash but all his actions are justified. He truly believes his brother was murdered so they can place Aegon on the throne. Don’t blame him for thinking any less either, the very first thing when he died the entire castle was shut down, they kept his death a secret, they put Aegon on the throne behind their backs and planned to assasinate Rhaenyra.

⁠​⁠@@jordanrivers5825you’re doing it again, no one said Viserys is perfect we all know how “messed up” the customs of that family are, you want to stick to the story only when it suits you and your angle so mentioning her age trying to make it seem she was coerced by Otto is absolving her. 14 years or not “according to the show” she knew what her actions would result, motive, even when she knew he best friend is to be queen. Let’s start by you acknowledging that, go back and re-watch season 1 episode 1-4 then see if you can come back here and try tell us that Alicent didn’t know the steps she was taking.

Do you think he would've gone through with it, though? Aegon didn't even want to be king & was close to fleeing if the white worm didn't tell Otto where he was.

@@sproductionsinc do you think she could FORCE Aegon to do anything? mygod....

You forgot the word stupid in front of theory

@@leonrobinson2475 why?

They are just haters and bias towards blacks... What do you expect from mindless blacks?

@@jvdpc7 yeah man that and everyone's overdoing the Cole hate..... Like they're running short on reasons of being black supporters because they've been sucking lately

That mindless Bald guy is just a straight up hater of the opposite faction.

If Aegon I himself told the realm? That would've prevented alicent's misunderstanding but war could still arise in that alternate universe. Every dynasty falls.