We don’t talk enough about how beautifully animated princess and the frog actually is. It’s the last and best Disney’s 2d animation has ever been

Lackadaisy shows that 2d animation can still be done and done well

I think it's especially baffling, that nobody talks about the fact, that Disney promotes Wish as their "celebration of 100 years with a blend of 2D and 3D", while the style is like 90% 3D and the backgrounds may be 2D in some scenes (when ooking at the trailer), while Disneys history consists of around 90% of 2D animation and only 10% of 3D animation. it just feels off in a way you don't want to see the movie because of this claim and the style it ended up with :/

It's funny that I grew up on 2D animation thanks to Disney, but they've left it behind completely. In Japan, 2D is flourishing brilliantly. The best use of CG in anime shows or films is typically barely noticeable or minimally used.

I think the insistence on 2D being "outdated by 3D" lets the 3D Disney style age way faster than they anticipate (and also: it lets it age at all). I know artstyles will always develop and let older movies look dated in one way or another, but having 3D in general be regarded as "sick of and kinda outdated" is a stone they threw in their own glass house

2D animation can't seem outdated. Some animations are just timeless like Disney Renaissance-Era or Dreamworks (example Sinbad: Legend of the seven seas). 2D animation, especially hand drawn, has soul.

We need more 2D films. We need to mix up things for the animated film industry. There are infinite possibilities with drawings instead of 3D models.

Fun fact: originally Disney was going to have it where they would make a pattern of different styles of animated films where one year they would release a 2d film, and a 3D film in the following year. This was changed when The Princess and Frog and Winnie the Pooh didn’t do so well financially. Note: I would like to note that The Princess and the Frog isn’t the last 2D animated film Disney made, it was Winnie the Pooh back in 2011. But I would like to note that the reason why both movies didn’t do well financially was because Disney didn’t do a good job marketing them, and they were both competing with other films that came out around the same time. The Princess and the Frog was competing against Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakeul and Avatar, Winnie the Pooh was competing against Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part 2.

It's quite sad that studios seem to not want to do traditional 2D anymore and instead use the same 3D aesthetic that we've grown accustomed to for the last decade.

The Christmas movie Klaus was a miracle for 2D animation. Absolutely stunning in every manner. I watch it every Christmas

Not just 2d, but I would *love* to see cel animation again. I know, it's more expensive and time consuming, but there's still a visual difference between hand painted cels and 2d digital. A few years back, I saw Snow White and Beauty and the Beast in 3d, and the way the different layers of animation stood out was incredible, and you only really get that layering with cels. Which isn't to say that I dislike 2d digital, but I'd like a direct human touch to come back to animation, with real inks and paints again.

Yes please bring it back, I love 3d animation but I love 2d too, we can have the best of both worlds! We don't need to kill one to feed the other, our creativity is big enough for both.

Can't forget how the expressions with 2D made us feel so many emotions , tired of watching sad 3D eyebrows and nothing else , they'll probably never bring back 2D to save time and money , so just appreciate the old authentic and unique masterpieces

I’m glad I’m not the only one who wants 2D animation style films to come back!

Am i the only one who thinks Disney desperately needs a second renaissance? the studio's movies no longer feel that sense of creativity Disney used to be associated with and that's pity. I too love Snow White with all my heart and the fact that it'll have a Live Action reinterpretation is so gross, it feels like modern Disney is ripping apart Walt's work and legacy. i wonder if they're a lost case already. . . Also, thank you for recommending The Reluctant Dragon, that's a movie i definitely need to watch

Agreed!! The sad thing is - they don't even have to ditch 3D animation entirely (you know they don't want to for $) because it's not hard to make 3D look 2D. Anime does this all the time on a much smaller budget

Regardless of whether they choose to continue with 3D or return to 2D, I really wish Disney would experiment more with its storylines and animation styles. Somehow, I feel as if every single female-led Disney film has the same storyline or a variation thereof. Girl is something/wants something that goes against her family's conventions/expectations. Girl tries and fails to conform to family's standards. Girl goes on a journey of self-discovery and realises how amazing she is. Girl reconciles with her family, who realise the error of their ways and support her life choices. And while that is a great and valuable story in itself, I feel as if it has been done to death. I wish they would try for more variety with their female leads, or with their lead characters in general.

I have been saying this for years! 3D can be really cool, but I don't think anything really beats the hand-drawn art.

I agree with you. I wish Disney used 3D animation solely for their Pixar projects. There’s no variety in animation anymore. Shows/movies like Kim Possible, Tarzan, Lilo and Stitch, etc really showed how dynamic 2D animation can be as well as non-Disney shows like Ben 10 and Avatar: The Last Airbender - these projects have some of my favourite animation styles

For the record, Walt Disney Pictures last 2D animated movie was Winnie the Pooh in 2011. But Princess and the Frog does remain to be Disney's last 2D animated princess film...

Long live the unrecognized fan favorites like Treasure Planet and Atlantis. These classics will be loved for years to come. These new live action remakes will be forgotten about in a week.

The Prince of Egypt was one of the most amazing movie experiences I've ever had. Period.

Please everyone show some love to the movie Klaus, they did an excellent job.

I feel you, dude. As someone who wants to be an animator myself, I really find traditional animation to be really inspiring and what I want to do the most. There are other studies with 2D animation like Studio Ghibli , but I do agree that Disney’s at its best with there 2D films, like Princess and The Frog and Atlantis being some of my favorites, and they’re history consists of many amazing animated classics. And it’s definitely sad that it feels like movies in traditional animation don’t exist anymore. I hope one I would be able to make an animated movie an that style myself, with the help of others, of course. But there’s still a possibility that Disney and DreamWorks could go back to that animation style one day in the future, hopefully.

I really miss 2d cause it has such character that 3d cant hit exactly, the 2.5d stuff is hopefully a start to going back to 2d

Treasure Planet is one of my fav disney movies. It's not forgettable imo; I'll always remember it. 2D > 3D

Man, the Ninja Turtles movie that came out last year was so beautiful.

i’m literally a 3d animator and i agree with everything you said in this video

Most of the Disney and Pixar movies are in 3D now and there's also a lot in the awful live-actions. I'm a bit tired to see it! 2D has charm and gorgeous backgrounds. You can see the details in the paintings, it's fascinating! The characters can be really expressives and cute and the action is fluid in 2D. 3D is not bad but there's way too much of it. I just rewatch Lilo and Stitch this morning, had fun looking at the movements and buildings; the Surf scene was adorable and entertaining, when nani sing Aloha oe to comfort her sister it was adorable. I don't want to see this classic ruined with ugly 3D. I'm sure Stitch will look like Simba in his live version or like Sonic first design for his live movie. This iconic aline will be boring or disgusting instead of fluffy and cute. Yay 😐

I have no problem with 3D animation tbh, it can be really beautiful. My biggest concern is with the lack of actual great stories and sequels.

I believe it’s because the big animation studios that do animated movies just no longer know how to do 2D animation. I believe people had to come out of retirement to do the 2D animation in Mary Poppins returns as a result of this just being a lost art.

Traditional Animation SHOULD come back indeed. Im tired of so many CGI movies, flash-animated movies & Computer animated effects. Sure i still want CGI animated movies, especially from Pixar, but CGI is OVERUSED nowadays, especially on animation & special effects. I prefer cartoons & special effects done with practical & manual methods.

Somewhat unrelated, but this is exactly why I absolutely adore the Cuphead franchise for keeping hand-drawn 2D animation relevant. Ironically, the same devs that were inspired by Walt's classic work put in ten times the effort Disney did for their new "blended style" Wish movie.

the thing here is all 3D characters LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME.😭

I couldn't be hyped for Strange World because it looked generic and with Wish trailer dropping I feel the same. It looks Generic. She looks like Isabella from Encanto. Yet if you showed me Hercules and Mulan, I would never think they came from the same movie because they look distinct enough.

Although i love 3D animation so much, i really miss 2D hand drawn traditional animation in movie theaters. It can do certain things, it has a magic that you can’t replicate in 3D CGI and live-action. It’s so fluid and expressive. More big budget studios should invest this to have more variety in the animation art styles. I don’t want full 3D, but I don’t full 2D neither. I want both to co-exist. I heard that Walt Disney Animation Studios will come back to traditional animation soon with Bluebeard. If that’s true, then we should really support this movie for them to know that we really miss this.

I’ve been asking for this for years. I don’t think it’s going to happen. And I hate that. I’m super nostalgic for the 2D animated Disney movies. Also, for the last time: Winnie the Pooh (2011) was the last 2D animated Disney movie! Not Princess and The Frog!!!!

Klaus was a very smart next step for the 2D. What a great movie and what a great animation

I miss 2D animation so much too, especially the animation done by legendary Don Bluth. If only he did not go out of business, then we'd have more of his animated movies and videos games around today.

I’m so glad I grew up in the 90’s when handdrawn animation was the norm, and after Toy Story came out a CGI movie came out every few years, it’s too bad that the only handdrawn animation that comes out in recent years is from Japan or an independent studio that gets lesser attention.

I feel like they stepped away from 2d animation bc it's easier to turn 3d animation into toys considering they already look like dolls in the movies.

The beat in the bgm made me think you were gonna start rapping a diss track to Disney

2D tends to have a timelessness to it, where even really old films look fantastic. And I think it can be more creative too, since the artists aren't bound by what a 3D model has been rigged to do.

I dont know if we will ever get a return of 2d animated movies from hollywood. But at least we can rely on japan's work and cartoon saloon works which i highly recommend.

I just saw One Piece Film Red on digital and it’s amazing. Has great animation, popping colors, great action. There are still some 3D animation mixed in with 2D but still I think anime has proven 2D animation still works in this day and age and there are great shows like Invincible, Castlevania, and The Legend of Vox Machina. 2D animation should return to the big screen.

Makoto Shinkai films are perfect examples of how gorgeous 2d animation can look. Every frame of his movies are so beautiful and outshines anything Disney has made in the last 2 decades.

I remember klaus as a 2d tries to blend the surroundings with 3d. Oh and also there are some studios that focus on 2d like secret of kells, song of the sea and wolfwalkers.

Traditional animation possesses an extremely artistic, lively quality that I’ve absolutely appreciated in my childhood. From Disney Classics between the 1920s-1990s, to Popeye, Looney Toons, and tons of other remarkable films and shows. Indeed, some modern computer generation animated films are brilliant. However, I feel as though that we should continue a Renaissance of both experimenting but also revive traditional animation. Nevertheless, this video explains many good points in regards to animation. Thanks very much, sir 🎉😊

When I grow up to work at Dreamworks, then one of my pitches would be a 2D animated film

Right now Suzame is coming to the theaters. 2D beautifully animated form look of it on trailers. Maybe try watching it

This is why I mostly just watch anime movies now. When I was a kid. I looooooved cartoons. So. Much. Animated movies were my favorite. Specifically 2D. So when they shut down their 2D animation studio, I've never forgiven them. With that said, Suzume was an absolutely gorgeous movie. I HIGHLY reccomend it. So gorgeous, and tear jerking. I actually felt something watching this movie. Real raw emotion. I don't fell that way when is watch western films anymore. But Japanese films still got it.

Its frustrating that every single animated film nowadays is just CGI. Why not just switch it up every now and again like some films can be in stop motion, others can be hand drawn and others can be CGI but it's just CGI and it's getting old and tiring at this point.

11:37 HEY! Treasure planet was epic, perfectly blended both 2d and 3d...

it's felt like the people who want to make the cheap 3d animation stuff is the executives who don't want to pay animators to do the work to hand animate things, when it's so much cheaper and easier to either do mo-cap or program the motions with software. feels like it's all down to cost cutting measures on the part of the executives in management, cause now that they aren't paying a bevvy of animators to make their movies, and have outsourced the hard work to dedicated sub-studios instead of doing it in house, they're making hand over fist compared to what they were making before, and to them, that's the only thing that matters, quality of the product be damned.

we had two chances to get hand drawn back but instead we saw avatar and harry potter 7.

I actually Wish in November will an important part of reviving 2D animation in Disney

Since Lilo and Stich was such a success artistically and financially I’m surprised Disney didn’t move forward with more 2D features and ones that gave their animators more creative freedom.

Could you imagine how disappointed Walt Disney would be in the current state of Disney? I just watched a documentary about his history and that dude was so gifted at collaboration, creating amazing creation's, finding the right people for the right things. They were TRULY DIVERSE, genuinely talented like we rarely see. Dedicated and Passionate towards creating imagination bending works of art and they Really did understand all the aspects and processes that mattered. For what it took to create those works of art. *(I just saw that Ukraine just started creating 2d animation for their military videos and it really reminded me of what I saw Walt do during WW2) I love seeing cartoon styled animated video's being used again. Just how Walt Disney did (out of his own pocket) he believed it was the least he could do for his country and his countrymen who were giving so much to the war to protect our nation and the greater good in the world. (If you think about it. Walt Disney did a lot for pushing advancements in science/creativity. He made understandable information that taught so many people of all ages, and from all sorts of different walks of life, to inform on very important matters and subjects of the time. Things that might seem out of place or difficult now, were completely relative to the current situations everyone was dealing with at that point in time. (The passion Walt gained for science and technology is what sparked his passion for Epcot and learning how to build all these cutting edge devices, city planning concepts, animatronics puppets of Abe Lincoln or the talking/signing birds in the tiki lounge. Plus all the other puppets on all the other interactions around his theme park. I just watched a documentary covering the career of Walt Disney and he really was a amazingly uniquely talented person. Where he himself had a insane drive towards innovation and new ideas BUT what I think his best trait was: That Walt was SO GOOD at interacting with everyone around him and he just had this amazing ability to find the PERFECT person for different jobs, things, roles. To really bring out the best in OTHER people around him. I truly believe that's one of the most important traits in a great leader. If anyone is in a group of people who are set on creating anything. (It's rare when someone comes across with the unique style and approach like Walt Disney had and really all it takes is to watch the coverage documentary that covers all of this uniquely awesome stuff that positively impacted SO MANY PEOPLE in so many ways and places. It didn't matter who you were, the chance that something from the Walt Disney era impacting you in a positive way is nearly 100% a possibility. There really was some of the best attributes of humanity, teamwork, and motivated passionate creativity that occured thru this group of Walt Disney era team members and we all could learn something from them. In some way or another.)

The only problem is that almost every 2d animated film released in theatres past 2004 has bombed, I would like 2D to return someday, but audiences need to support it (also some kids might think of 2D as “old and childish”).

Did you watch Klaus? That was a whole new way to push 2D and 3D animation !

I always felt like Disney Animation should have been making 2d animated movies, while Pixar does 3d!

The last 2D animated Disney movie was Winnie the Pooh anc they decided to release it at the same time the last Harry Potter movie. It’s clear Disney wanted to step away from 2D and I wish they would go back

Really good video with very solid points. Seeing all those classics really does take me back

I think there’s two main factors of this: 2D animation requires lots of time, but more importantly, in America 2D animators are unionized and thus actually paid reasonably. that’s why most if not all American 2D animated shows have maybe the storyboards and rough animation done in America, but then the rest of the production is shipped overseas and outsourced to MUCH cheaper studios in Europe or Asia- essentially, *it would be more expensive to make a 2D film than 3D with all American animators now because they would actually have to pay their workers a living wage…* if you look at recent 2D western films from smaller studios like Wolfwalkers, Klaus, and My Father’s Dragon, none of them are made by American studios for this very reason (I believe they’re all European- the UK, France, and Spain/Portugal in particular are 2D animator hotspots there). also, because American productions aren’t looking for American cleanup artists and etc because those could just be outsourced to cheaper labor, people have suggested that it might be hard finding people to do the job at all since most artists would be much more experienced in rough animation and etc instead, but not so much in the later stages though I take this possibility with a huge grain of salt- I have seen MANY extremely skilled American 2D animators all over the internet and there are undoubtedly many more to come. (3D and VFX workers don’t have a union afaik although they desperately need one, and 3D is indeed less time consuming so they spend less money for less time. although 3D animation is often outsourced to Europe and Asia too…) edit: also just look at how much of a multimillion dollar industry 2D animation is in Japan, but then also look at how horribly the workers are treated, they’re paid literal poverty wages and have overworked to the point of suicide at times. (although recently China is also becoming an animation powerhouse and actually pays their employees sufficiently, and it’s gotten so bad that Japanese animators are moving to China for work, so this isn’t any sort of excuse at all.) *TL;DR the biggest obstacle here is capitalist greed.*

I totally agree. I think the 3D looks good, but i'm sick and tired of it. That's why i'm kind of disappointed with wish because it said it was gonna be traditionally animated but then it was not. False promises that got me excited and I was disappointed when I watched the trailer.

I couldn’t agree more, traditional animation needs to make a comeback on the big screen 🍿🎥🎬🎞️. If you ask me, 2D animation can even make an impact on this generation of kids, especially if they like/love a certain animated movie from the past.

This is why Eric Goldberg was one of Disney's 2D animators who wants to bring back 2D animation like me, and wants people to see that it is not outdated by 3D animation because Walt Disney Animation Studios needs to retain its 1990s 2D art & animation style to not look too much like Pixar's 3D art & animation. I made the same case for Sponge Out of Water, when I was happy for the film to have four different styles of animation with creative shifts between each one, and remember to credit all four teams of animators. April 30, 2023, 7:25pm The Spongebob show's traditional 2D animation was the most of the film because I know they would not abandon the show's main setting for a majority live-action film where the characters mess around above water before they actually know where they need to go to get back the Krabby Patty secret formula. Because that was too much like what The Smurfs did in 2011, and why would Spongebob Squarepants underuse its own 2D animation team in favor of what everybody else is doing on the big screen?

it's been so long since I watched disney, but the early disney animations are what made me love animation and art, it got me into drawing and into animating.

I couldn't agree with you more. We need hand-drawn animation back.

I want more claymation

Hunchback of notre dame to me was the last truly gorgeous hand drawn movie

Kinda sad that the last theatrical 2D animated movie from any of the big guns was.............Space Jam: A New Legacy (a interesting flawed movie to say the least), and it was only half of it and before that, The Spongebob Movie: Sponge Out of Water a 5 year gap between the two, and also only half of it Tho from what i head, some people also blame it on the early 2000s movies based on various cartoon shows (Rugrats, Doug, Recess, The Powerpuff Girls, Hey Arnold, The Wild Thornberries, Clifford, Teacher's Pet, Spongebob, and to an lesser extent The Simpsons), because lead to some parents seeing the 2D animated movies at that time as cash-grabs their children could wait until the show airs or if it's actually original wait for it to get a TV show; most of which either never got a TV show like The Iron Giant, Titan A.E., and Treasure Planet (not like they could make a TV show out of either of those three) or not as good as the original movie (Atlantis) or simply often forgotten or not really brought up (The Emperor's New Groove, Osmosis Jones, Lilo & Sitich)

There is a animated company that never made 2d animation that is illumination and illumination is a company that only made cgi animated movies and i hope illumination will also do 2d animated movies in the future

i think the new trailer for the disney movie looks just like regular disney 3d animation with different shading

I would say this is arguable for some video games as well. Pokémon black and white were fantastic games and arguably the greatest and games like OCTOPATH show that 2D style in general or pixel can still look great and amazing.

As a filmmaker myself, I have a MILESTONE WISH, and that is eventually making an officially crafting a muscal hand drawn animated project with music by Alan Menken and essentially based on one of his collaborations in one of the japanese disney attractions with an official straight forward villain that can be even potrayed by Doc Ock who is married to Jen Lee as a hint and with some broadway dream casting voice choices that i have in my passion project like james corden and seth macfarlene for example, better wish me luck on that determination i suppose

I agree, the title and thumbnail alone got you a sub broski

Crazy Disney TV series are 2D & remain successful while movie department no idea how to bring it back.

You're preaching to the choir brother ❤❤❤

This is the reason why Anime Movies are getting more popular. Its the only medium where we get 2d animation.

Klaus (2019) was such a great exception from today's standard in many ways.

100% they're going to do this with Ursula too. Watch Twisted by Starkids and Disney is just ripping them off: Hook - I only wished to teach the boy responsibility. I never knew my father. Maleficant - I only wished to go to the party Ursula - He dethroned me and disowned me and on top of that renowned me to thr outskirts in a cave. Took my sceptre and my crown, though I tried to take him down... Funny thing is, in that, even the villains agree "I only wish to make a coat made out of puppies" is responded yo with "You're not helping" "Why would you do that?" "Disregard that" Even the other villains knew Cruella fundamentally went too far.

Klaus is the BEST 2D movie nowadays

The whole "2d is more expensive" excuse doesn't fly because 2d is actually usually cheaper.

Reviving 2D animation is like bringing the hammer of dawn back online from Gears 5.

Story and characters are most important.

I actually didn't know Treasure Planet even existed until recently and I watched it and I LOVED it! It was amazing and really made me miss that old animation style!

A few weeks ago I watched the Anime Movie"Suzume"in cinema and it was breathtaking,I think Disney won't go back to 2D Animation because 3D is cheaper and Hollywood showed over the last years,that they don't thake Animation serious,because they think that Animation isn't for adultes. which is very stupid

Their cartoons and series are still (mostly) 2D and obviously a 3 season long series takes wayyyy longer to animate than an hour and a half long movie. That’s what I still don’t get, why one and not the other?

I mean... traditional animation was never gone

Dont even need to watch the video, the title says everything. I NEED IT!

Couldn't agree more. We need to see a renaissance of traditional animation. This comment section is really encouraging. Also, some feedback. Try talking slower or having longer pauses. I thought I had the video on 1.5x speed at one point (10:20 - much better!).

Even if Disney does make another 2d film, I’m sure the animation will look rushed. They’ll probably treat it as something to get out of the way to quickly satisfy audiences so they can move on to making more live action garbage.

2d had a human quality, all 3d movies basically look the same. Roger Rabbit worked because it had live action and 2d! Disney is now a creative black hole. It's renaissance in the 90s is long gone

The west had gotten too lazy to do any traditional animation movies. Which the east (Japan etc.) still do traditional animation movies to this day!

I’m actually in school for 3d rendering and modeling to hopefully work at disney and the software they use (Maya) makes making movies easier vs a 2d version, if you want to make the character run in 3d you can record someone running and put that in a software and the model will run, vs 2d where you have to make the animation run frame by frame. It longer to make a 2d vs 3d and also 3d is more of an eye candy for a lot and the numbers prove it

Luca and Coco is one of the few recent 3D Disney films that I actually thoroughly enjoyed. I just wish they would produce 1 2D film every year.

2D animation needs a comeback!

Traditional hand-drawn 2D animation I firmly believe will *_never_* be outdated. We all _DO_ need to get the message across to Disney, Dreamworks, and other studios that it *does* still have staying & storytelling power, but *_NOT_* by _antagonizing_ these entities over their over reliance on CGI/3D animation or over the products they put out and whether or not any of them are part of the quote unquote _’culture wars’_ or whether they have or don’t have _’agendas’_ behind them or WHATEVER (😤). Consistently HATING on these entities *isn’t* the answer. If anything, it’s extremely _mentally_ *unhealthy,* and that’s just truly *sad (😔).*

2D will always be beast just look at anime , Disney they lost their unique touch of 2d we all loved growing up.