The Bay City Rollers story is one of the saddest in the music business. Ripped off left and right and poorly managed. And it wasn’t just the record company, as teen idols they had their faces on every thing. They all should have been millionaires a few times over.
@malcolmdrake61374 жыл бұрын
Doesn't come close to what happened to Poe.
@saltyprimrose45694 жыл бұрын
Was a huge fan as a kid, my daughter loved them as well, when she was alive, she danced EVERYTIME I played them for her!
@THXx11384 жыл бұрын
Moby Grape, another band that was royally screwed by their manager.
@kensingtonliederkrantz15924 жыл бұрын
They still never got the finger as bad as some others did...
@KathySandru4 жыл бұрын
I agree with your analysis 100% however, the saddest story is of Badfinger & how their manager Stan Polley ripped them off so badly, 2 band members (Pete Ham & Tom Evans) committed suicide.
@tnmoppylaura54764 жыл бұрын
Never was much of a fan, but I hate to see anyone being used, and these guys were! Thanks for this one Fil.
@karlarmstrong3 жыл бұрын
And bad finger i cant live.
@PB.JACKSON4 жыл бұрын
A few years ago I was in a band who were the house band for a Men And Motors TV show ( UK) called Elvis has just left the building. It was a pop quiz show consisting of two teams of celebrities, one team captained by Noddy Holder (Slade) and Clint Boon (Inspiral Carpets). One of the guests was Eric Faulkner from the original line up of the Bay City Rollers. After we had filmed the show we all went to the bar for drinks. Eric was a genuinely nice guy who confessed that he was broke and couldn't afford to buy a round of drinks. So sad tbe way they were ripped off.
@heiditate69893 жыл бұрын
Eric does seem to be a genuinely nice guy as well as Stuart Woody Wood. It's so sad the way they were exploited and ripped off.
@BeautifulSpirit-kf5ld3 жыл бұрын
That breaks my heart. Eric was also very sick with encephalitis; he nearly died.
@ryanlocked3473 жыл бұрын
Ya
@juliaharrison78924 жыл бұрын
Their manager did worse than that. Just look up what he did to teenage boys.
@mariechan94424 жыл бұрын
Too true. Had the misfortune of meeting that SOB, creepy doesn’t even come close to describe that monster.
@janstribling41743 жыл бұрын
@@mariechan9442 I read When the Screaming Stops: The Dark History of the BCR, and the way Tam is described in that book is that he was absolutely a disgusting, horrible man. I knew he was bad, but wow!
@fancy393 жыл бұрын
I love that you did this video! As a teen in the 70s I was mad about these guys. Imagined I'd marry Ian, God rest his soul. Now, I'm 60 and still love the band. I've read a few books about them and it's awful what happened to them. They were rapped figuratively and from what I've read, some of them literally. Tam Patton was a bully and took full advantage of them. I hope the remaining, living members are happy and living good lives. ❤
@SuperZytoon4 жыл бұрын
Fil, I always enjoy your spin on all types of music and singers, artists, and groups/bands. You show respect to every genre of music. Love you, much respect from Florida.
@teresafinoalchemy4 жыл бұрын
Fil, that's devastating, considering their huge record and merchandising sales. I knew the record industry was "dodgy as f#ck", as we say in Australia, but this is absolutely criminal, let alone immoral. How it's at all legal is beyond my comprehension. Being an older teenager at the time, The Rollers weren't my cup of tea, preferring harder rock bands, but I remember Rollermania being massive with the teenybopper crowds. The amount of merchandising was insane. I had never seen anything like it. Fil, this analysis video cracked my heart wide open for these young men who gave the world their all and got nothing in return.
@Charles-vk1lb4 жыл бұрын
The Krofft Superstar Hour which became The Bay City Rollers Show, was one of my favorite Saturday morning programs when I was a little kid.
@reneekittycat4 жыл бұрын
I was a teenager when this show was on and a huge fan! It was definitely my Teenage Dream, lol!
@alisonsmith48014 жыл бұрын
We had Shang - a - Lang here in the UK every Tuesday tea time, my two brothers made my life hell for the 30 minutes it was on taking the Mickey but I didn't care, and Wednesday morning at school it was the main topic all day. Happy times.
@AdamDonaldson72725 ай бұрын
mine too!
@helenjennings91904 жыл бұрын
Really sick how Arista could have done this to these kids. They were just working class teenagers and had no idea they were being screwed. Sad.
@oldyellerschannel46764 жыл бұрын
Eric Faulkner was with Alan and Derek Longmuir from the early days, before Woody and Les joined the group. At one point the group was called The Saxons, and Billy Lyall and Dave Paton were in the group as well, before they left, formed Pilot, and had their hit record "Magic".
@denisebrashears15523 жыл бұрын
Eric was not in the band the Saxon's. Eric Woody and then left all came basically at the same time period period there's many stories. We all know that period this dude definitely did his homework though.
@drewpall25984 жыл бұрын
I've said in the past "You Rock in more way then one!" You have excellent knowledge of the music industry. This is very educational and informative thanks Fil. You're not just another handsome face staring back at us You have a good head on your shoulders educator Fil.
@matthewronson52184 жыл бұрын
than
@shibbert214 жыл бұрын
I literally just downloaded "Saturday Night" on my iPod just a few days ago. Good memories!
@elizabethspedding19754 жыл бұрын
Thank-you, I'm 57 and was a huge Rollar fan, I hope bands today are given better advice and help.
@smdias654 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Fil! Now I have to dig out my 45's and listen to the Bay City Rollers.
@tommyd52384 жыл бұрын
More of a rocker than a roller, but met Les McKeown a few years ago while working in East London and had a chat, he seemed a very decent guy who was still trying hard to carry on in the music business despite all that had happened.
@poetsdreamsatc4 жыл бұрын
Sadly this also happened to the band BadFinger. I believe that even several members committed suicide over this. Great analysis Fil. As always. ❤️🤘🏼
@mikeadams26774 жыл бұрын
I heard Paul McCartney talking about Dave Clark of the Dave Clark Five, was a genius businessman when it came to the record labels, and fared wel. Paul basically said he wish he'd known the formula during the Beatles years. From what I understand Buddy Holly was too.
@sadietravels62134 жыл бұрын
Mike Adams True regarding Dave Clark, however he was miserly to his band mates , including their incredible lead singer Mike Smith. Rumors are Dave profited on songs he wasn’t the true co-writer on as well. No doubt at all, he came out better than his contemporaries.
@michaelmckenna64644 жыл бұрын
Paul McCartney bought the Buddy Holly catalog so Buddy Holly’s royalties were paid to Paul McCartney who in return, paid Buddy Holly’s family.
@markmiwurdz2024 жыл бұрын
Dave Clark also bought up all of the rights and filmed footage of the UK 60's TV pop programme "Ready Steady Go". So he scoops up all the copyright and re-run fees anytime they are shown.
@lindaz12904 жыл бұрын
Oh, you make me a happy girl when you change things up, Fil. This was GREAT! How tragic it is that they worked so hard for so long for practically nothing. Up to now, your words of warning have been buried within other analysis videos. Now you have a video dedicated to this important topic. Well done!
@lj96104 жыл бұрын
I loved them, had all their posters from Tiger Beat magazine hung up in my room❣ this is disheartening, but even 45 years later, this girl is still a Roller fan🥰 Thanks for the true story.
@RicoBurghFan4 жыл бұрын
Your insane knowledge of these bands and of the often corrupt music industry is extremely valuable. Thanks brother!
@wingsofpegasus4 жыл бұрын
No problem!
@fredhinckley86304 жыл бұрын
Fil - Sound advise. As a retired accountant, I can attest to the fact that you should never, never make a deal where your income is based on the NET profit of anything. I worked for a paperback book publisher for a number of years. Occasionally. we had deals with hardcover book publishers to share "profits" on a title. We would exchange internal profit and loss statements and surprise, surprise no one ever made a profit. Not one penny ever changed hands. Once you allow "expenses" to be deducted from income on a project, you are asking for trouble. It sounds as though a "record deal" is nothing but a loan, which has to be paid back, along with expenses incurred by the company. Not good. By the way, the young ladies of The Warning (taking your advise) are managed by their parents. Rudy, whom you have spoken with, works for Mom and Dad. They all appear to be happy, so far.
@flee43424 жыл бұрын
Fred Hinckley Net profit is how the majority of retail store managers are paid. A small base salary and a “bonus” percentage of the net profit. But, oddly enough the executives bonuses are based on total sales.
@suzannerobbins62934 жыл бұрын
Hi Fil! I am so glad you went back to The Bay City Rollers to complete their story...it was quite interesting to hear the whole story! I have always been interested in those behind the music...I liked reading about the songwriters, etc. it makes perfect sense learning how fame does not equal money! This made me think of Dolly Parton and how she was such a strong business woman, and that is why she made the money she did! She knew early on her music was worth something! It was quite interesting hearing these guys story! Always hate when problems arise between the members...things like that happen unfortunately! Thanks for taking the time to let us go behind the scenes! I felt like I took a class! Have a good weekend! ✌️
@philmoore714 жыл бұрын
Dolly has one song that Presley was going to record if she would give him 1/2 the song credits/ ROYALTIES. She withdrew. I forget the song- i think it was a hit later for her... I guess i would have signed if the Colonel offered me 1/2 rates :(
@lizannedidyk76274 жыл бұрын
The song was “I will always love you.” It wasn’t 1/2 but if Elvis recorded the song, you had to give up all credits.
@melanezoe4 жыл бұрын
Fil, I’m so glad you are encouraging young musicians to be business-aware. I insist my students READ all of any contract placed before them, ask for clarification when needed, and don’t sign until they are perfectly clear. And pay attention to what your manager, accountant, legal advisors, and sponsors are doing. Success is so much harder to manage than fame, but from there come lasting rewards. You are giving such good advice.
@blaineca3 жыл бұрын
Les passed away this week. You may want at some time to look at the live 1982 recording of Don't Let The Music Die. I think he had quite a good voice live.
@jeaniechowdhury67394 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining this. I remember hearing them as a kid when they first came out. The music business is corrupt. I’d love to see more episodes like this- the reality of what really happened to artists. Thank you for encouraging independence!!!! Please keep telling the stories so kids hear this!!!!!!!!!!!
@Ladymbomr3 жыл бұрын
Fil soooo much quality information ...not just here but on all of your analysis videos. Since finding you last month, l’ve become part of the “catch up crew” on these, as well as your past livestreams. Looks like I will be busy for a while lol.I have been lucky enough to be part of your livestreams since finding you. With heartfelt gratitude I thank you for all the work you put into everything you put out. I am honored to be one of your Patrons! Rock! Bev
@wingsofpegasus3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bev!
@dougmeinhart75974 жыл бұрын
The other group I remember this happening to was Badfinger
@swinetrek4 жыл бұрын
Creedence Clearwater Revival
@KayEl584 жыл бұрын
It happened to lots of bands. The Badfinger story is the most well known.
@JamesBond-lq7bs4 жыл бұрын
Small Faces.
@Parseenfroo4 жыл бұрын
The Back Street Boys. Bros.
@PuffKitty4 жыл бұрын
@William Brown Badfinger was the first band I ever saw live. They came to my little high school in my little town in Oregon and it was pretty exciting. I still can't believe they came there!
@mevrammcoyoteV8f1504 жыл бұрын
Yes ....Study the history of the Colonel..habitual gambler..mismanaged Elvis's career badly..thanks Fil
@dachers12384 жыл бұрын
This sent me down a rabbit hole and I really didn't know why I knew who this band was. Turns out it was a certain episode of That 70's Show. Thank you.
@TexasMagnolia4 жыл бұрын
Perfect example. Kelly Clarkson recently disclosed, as of 2019, she is finally making money and owns her music since her contract with Fox (American Idol) expired.
@malcolmdrake61374 жыл бұрын
Because she was never a _talent,_ she was a marketed product. No sympathy for those kind of "artists"...lol
@kamaboko14 жыл бұрын
@Anthem Inc. Idiot
@surfsup57574 жыл бұрын
She's always been bought and payed for. She's getting paid for that lame talk show that'll be cancelled soon.
@georgewilliams14704 жыл бұрын
Anybody who goes on Idol,the Voice or any of the karaoke shows sells their souls to go on those shows.The company that produces these shows have contestants sign over any songs that they might have written,control Twitter and Facebook content.
@afriendcalled53 жыл бұрын
Better not to win - just to make it far enough along for recognition.
@amyhatfield35544 жыл бұрын
So sad to hear this story of my favorite band of my youth . Makes me appreciate them even more now
@Kevin-19694 жыл бұрын
Les was a cool 70s Lad, he has a good voice.
@thedudeabides76524 жыл бұрын
Loved this group. It was a common story for the manager and label to steal from them. I made my son listen to them when he was 5 in 2005 and that's how he got the last day of the week he couldn't spell. I just told him to sing the song and the test came back with it spaced out SA TUR DAY
@darlatidwell62554 жыл бұрын
A much needed step by step warning for artists world wide to hear and to heed your advice. Fil that was awesome and was interesting . 👍🤟
@Elizabeth-rq1vi3 жыл бұрын
In 1978/79 I was backstage with Triumph & took a photo of Gil Moore doing their books he held up the accounting book & said “Corporate Music”. They may not have become as huge as the Rollers, but kept tabs on the money.
@lynndow31854 жыл бұрын
Even Paul McCartney wrote, "You never give me your money, you only give me your funny paper." Yes, very interesting and informative! Thanks for the follow up.
@richardpowell32594 жыл бұрын
Yea, that was Billy.
@iainholmes2735 Жыл бұрын
Great vid. The whole BCR story is so interesting. It had everything. Amazing success and tragedy. It's strange to think that at their peak in 1975 they had already been going (first as the Ambassadors, then the Saxons) for about ten years.
@lancelange93774 жыл бұрын
Les became a massive alcoholic sadly. But in recent years is doing well. Super nice guy, I met him a few years back. Had a nice chat and got his autograph. Look up Tam Paton to see some truly awful things. Thanks for doing this video Fil. Really makes me wonder if they were treated properly or even just a little better by the label what could have happened as they were started to really show musical independence at the end with some really decent songs of their own creation.
@jons.1054 жыл бұрын
"Elevator" was DOA in America--but not a bad record! Some great bangers on there.
@heiditate69893 жыл бұрын
Great songs on that album.
@afriendcalled53 жыл бұрын
I was sad when Les left, but was very happy with Duncan's leadership! It was like listening to an entirely new band, and bridged the way for me from pop and soft rock, to new wave. Incredible music.
@amethystsamia4 жыл бұрын
The internet and KZfaq have been fantastic for young artists wanting to get into “the business”. The great thing is they’re able to have control of their creativity rather than a recording company telling them how to dress and what to sing etc. there’s quite a few very talented musicians on KZfaq *waves at Fil* that are doing quite well. Of course they have to finance their own tours and produce their own videos but they’re doing it...their way. So many folks, especially child stars, have been ripped off by movie and recording studios. It really should be s crime. Congrats to you Fil for being one of the smart (and very talented) ones. Rock! P.S. I want a mug. A black one. That would be awesome! 💜💜💜
@Mibular4 жыл бұрын
Valuable advice. Outraged about the exploitation of the young performers involved. On another note, you got me on a Bay City Rollers jag!
@oldyellerschannel46764 жыл бұрын
Stuart "Woody" Wood put out a series of Celtic Music set to Nature Sounds, and got some Gold and Silver Awards out of it, while Eric Faulkner put out an album or two, full of songs, a couple years ago, you can find on Band Camp. They are folk songs, and Eric writes, sings and plays acoustic guitar. He seems happy...they deserve at least that much.
@phildicks47212 жыл бұрын
I read a quote from singer/songwriter Janis Ian where she said, "Anytime a Record Executive tells me they're losing money, I check my pocketbook to make sure my money is still there."
@derekstocker66614 жыл бұрын
Very good video Fil, well told and very sad for the Rollers, they were very well respected by the fans but as you say, totally out on a limb from the companies who made money from them, shame you were not around to manage them I am sure you would be great at helm! Thank you, excellent video, told it like it was.
@stevesmfast4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fil, this discussion about the business aspects of music and artist exploitation by record companies is very interesting. No doubt that fame and fortune are different beasts. I live in Hollywood and there are many somewhat-famous musicians in town who are struggling financially. Frank Zappa is an example of an artist who took control of his own future when he launched Bizarre Records in 1968 and released albums like We're Only In It For the Money and Lumpy Gravy. He later founded Zappa Records in 1977 and Barking Pumpkin Records in 1980. A fine example of an independent artist.
@virginia36194 жыл бұрын
Your advocacy of independent art and creativity is wonderful. I have a lot of hope that your words will be heard by Gen Z, a group I admire for its collective spirit and opposition to a system that benefits only the few. Thank you!
@bzzzb84 жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up in Michigan I was surprised to learn that they were not originally from Michigan, fun way to pick a name but they had me fooled, I thought they were hometown kids! Such a tragedy that these labels treat people like that. Its like saying hey I'm gonna come in your house every night and take everything you have every week for the rest of your life just sign the dotted line !
@bigbow624 жыл бұрын
Another band gets screwed by management ( record label ) ! The stories never ending do they.... Young band wants success so bad they sign anything put in front of them, most of them knowing very little if anything about the business ! .......... so sad really 😔 Thank you Fil for getting the message out there and doing all you can to help ! 😆🤘
@markukeley29244 жыл бұрын
Wow, smashing analysis, Fil--pay attention, kids!
@suefields42544 жыл бұрын
Spot on as always Fil!
@rashidrani23334 жыл бұрын
My experience when I was practising lawyer, that most artists would not listen to advise. They were so caught up in a bubble of famous lifestyle. It is important to empower oneself with at least some business knowledge. This applies to everybody.
@doreennelson76994 жыл бұрын
Thank you Fil for an awesome analysis. 2 things not mentioned - not only did they not make any money, the band was on the hook for a huge tax bill. In an effort to get out from under their contract with Arista, in 1979 they changed their name to "The Rollers". Thanks again!
@oldview24 жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion on the business side of the music industry.
@lesliegaudreau53102 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing these details. I was a huge fan in the day. I had the LPs, poster on my door, saw them at the Indiana State Fair and had a plaid scarf. I had no idea they got screwed by those who were supposed to take care of them. This is utterly reprehensible. What a true shame.
@KevinHallSurfing4 жыл бұрын
The Rollers and Rollermania was huge in Australia. Molly Meldrum raved about them, they came over and toured, appeared on Countdown show (similar to TOTP) and Album sales skyrocketed. ABBA were basically unheard of until Molly got them on TV here, record sales jumped and that brought attention from overseas. Also others like Eurythmics (then The Tourists) comes to mind and one Fil mentioned on another vid. Earlier, if it's not one thing it's another, Stones and Beatles were taxed on a sliding scale as profits increased up to 97% by in the UK so they were forced to move overseas. They were touring the world thinking they had made a fortune but all for nothing. Led Zeppelin were "robbed" of $200,000 (hotel safety deposit box) so at least "they" got back something
@michaelmckenna64644 жыл бұрын
ABBA was a major success story. The members took their royalties and used it to buy a hotel chain and a chain of service stations. They sold ABBA watches and other ABBA related souvenirs. They even opened a stock whose value went up as their success soared. When their success run began to make a decline, they sold their stocks so they had done quite well.
@charliedontsurf704 жыл бұрын
I'm an American and I'm sad to say that our musical taste is very fickle, we love you one day and hate you the next. I loved the Rollers when they came out here. I was 10 and am part Scottish myself. Long like The Rollers!
@Guiltless7654 жыл бұрын
😮😮 Screwing the artists over is pretty much industry standard isn't it?
@louisb55634 жыл бұрын
@john smith That's right, just ask Grand Funk Railroad.
@chrisstory5634 жыл бұрын
@@louisb5563 that and I.R.S. too.
@lawrencetaylor41014 жыл бұрын
That was the premise of Phanton of the Paradise. I loved that movie, even though I can't stand what has become of Meat Loaf.
@t.mccullough25734 жыл бұрын
Sadly, yes!
@billsager56344 жыл бұрын
Artists often screw over other artists as well. Look what Jon Bon Jovi did to Skid Row. At least Richie Sambora relinquished his ownership of Skid Row after their debut album - but Bon Jovi retained his share.
@teresatorres37603 жыл бұрын
It is so sad that they had this happen them and you Fil would be a great teacher to school all who head down the musical path I can see you at a university as teacher.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer4 жыл бұрын
The thing that people don't understand, no matter if you work for someone or are self-employed you have a boss and you are selling a product. It doesn't matter what kind of work you do, what industry, skilled or unskilled, you have a boss and you are selling product, yourself.
@arthurromero91534 жыл бұрын
Used to watch there Saturday morning show here in the US on NBC I think. It only lasted 13 weeks. September 1978 to January 1979. Very talented guys but sad what the record company did to them. Not surprised just very disappointed.
@jcstevegigs4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy hearing about this side of the business too. Very cool to add these types of videos to your quiver.
@liontone4 жыл бұрын
One of my instructors got signed By the same label as Chicago. They recorded an album, and that album got shelved, In order to keep priority on Chicago, As they had a similar sound. So basically the record company signed them to shelve them. ... And they had to pay back debt for the record.
@mariorabottini56874 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Fil...really interesting and informative! This sad situation rings true for so many bands that had trusted a record label to what’s right! As my Grandfather once told me....The only body who takes better care of your business better than you is NOBODY! Cheers Mario! 😀👌🤘
@SonnyB2734 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff mate, these guys were just before my time but it's nice to see they weren't just another boy band
@eg84192 жыл бұрын
Thank you ,fil , for coming forward with this cautionary tale. Most people have an extremely naive sense of how the Music Industry functions Glad you are setting the record straight . from your fan Eve G.
@passionforlust4 жыл бұрын
Beyond sad, never cared for them music wise, but their story is one I hope no one else would ever repeat. Thinking of them or Badfinger and others, the more people get educated to that business the less people will get hurt. Glad your talking about this practice, hope as many as possible will heed your warnings-Cheers Fil!
@evabeltran21684 жыл бұрын
Hey Phil You mentioned who owns the Copyrights of the Name Bay City Rollers it's Stuart Woody Woody who Owns it just Fyi his own NGBCRS are sentimental saw them several times here in America There young and gives it a Fresh sound that keeps The Bay City Rollers Hits Alive!🎶🎵🎼🎸🥁🎤🤘
@carlavandenberk68894 жыл бұрын
I think Eric owns it too, funny how Alan and Derek don't and they're the founding members
@gragrn4 жыл бұрын
Another great video Fil, I'd forgotten just how many hits they had. What an evil business, even the Beatles had to start Apple Records to get some control over their music. When they toured Australia in 1964 they were signed at the old price, before they broke big, so they did the whole tour for a couple of hundred pounds.
@jcstevegigs4 жыл бұрын
Back in 1992 I was doing a solo gig an Hennesey's Tavern in Hermosa Beach, CA. The guy coming on after me was billed as the guy from The Bay City Rollers. Solo piano. I remember thinking "why is he doing a gig here? Shouldn't he be a millionaire? Maybe it was bullshit, but that's how he was billed - can't remember his name.
@bonniefaulconer20804 жыл бұрын
Duncan Faure.
@TJ-id6ee4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Fil, Very interesting. Too bad so many musicians were taken advantage of and still are. Hope you are doing good where you are! Take care~
@sparkleypegs83504 жыл бұрын
I remember as a little kid in 70's Australia how big the band was. The screaming girl hysteria was on a Beatles level for a while. But by the time I really became interested in music around 1980/81 their star had faded in Australia and I didn't even know, until today, that they had released an album in 1981.
@dconn744 жыл бұрын
Great job again Fil. It's so sad to see artists being cheated out of a lot of money like that!
@blu483 ай бұрын
Excellent explanation of the difference between fame and success. Well done video.
@supernatural9r4064 жыл бұрын
Hey Fil , Good Show Tonight.
@marilynsheffield6124 жыл бұрын
Fil this was very interesting & informative. 👏Every young musician ought to hear what you have to say. It would be well worth their time. Fil do you ever go over the music business end of it when you are giving guitar lessons especially to those who are old enough & can grasp what you are saying? Night Fil.❤Get some rest.😚
@batttt902 жыл бұрын
Excellent bro and so tragic for the band. Though I am more of a rock fan then anything else I did like the Rollers back in the day.
@scottblasingame97894 жыл бұрын
So, Sony supposedly paid out approximately 2.9 million pounds and each member only got about 70,000 pounds? Sounds like they still got screwed. I assume the bulk of the settlement went to the lawyer fees, which I'm sure were a lot since the case took almost 10 years to work it's way through the system. It's sad that so many bands in the 70s (one of the best decades for music ever) got screwed over by the record companies.
@dalem83324 жыл бұрын
So many examples of this kind of sad thing in the music biz! Many artists don't realize a recording contract is just like a bank loan and every penny must be paid back. If your records bomb you're still on the hook to the record company financially. I dealt with some unfortunate incidents with a record company myself with my band here in Canada back in the 70s..too much to get into here.. But thankfully got out of it before it ruined us. interesting video Fil! Thanks! 😎🎼🎶🎵🇨🇦🇨🇦
@jandlesmith3 жыл бұрын
Great information. I am in Canada and I remember when they hit it big here. Eric was my favorite and still is. You should see if you could reach out and interview him. He is an amazing artist. Love you Eric. Thanks from Canada. New subbie.❤
@24hrs3654 жыл бұрын
I am a Roller fan since 74 and still am. They attempted to reunite a few years ago, Les, Alan, Stuart but Les seems to think he is the Bay City Rollers so it didnt work out. He did an interview on tv with Stuart about the reunion and tried to promote his own cd on the show which angered Stuart and quiet rightly so. But I would go to Les's gigs, Eric's gigs and Stuarts gigs because i am a long time fan. I would love to see Eric and Stuart get together with Duncan again because those 3 albums were great. Unfortunately Derek is retired from playing and his job as a nurse.
@24hrs3654 жыл бұрын
@@justincase2271 Hi Justin, he was in possession of a laptop with indecent images of kids. Also photos but he wasn't convicted of paedophilia and did 300 hours community service.
@jennymccombie9604 Жыл бұрын
@@24hrs365 Derek was set up by an unhinged American fan he befriended. The courts found him innocent and Derek fought back for his nursing job and won . Ask yourself who tipped of the police? Those items were sent to him days before the police tip off . Derek is a kind and trusting man ,maybe too much so . He was an excellent nurse and specialized in Cardiac care. He was an excellent teacher too for the younger nurses who stated that they learned a lot from this man on patient care. Even his neighbors said he was a very quiet and sweet man who was always willing to help them. They stood by Derek . I wish my mum would have had Derek as her nurse when she had open heart surgery . I believe he's innocent and yes , I actually went through the court documents for myself.
@stuartsutherbaker4 жыл бұрын
I remember an interview of Shirley Manson from the band Garbage saying that when the record company sent a limo to take them to expensive hotels they knew they had made the high life. Then when things went a bit sour they were told 'no, we forgot to say that it's actually you that has to pay for all of it!' If only Distrokid existed back then. On a sidenote Pond5 sent me a PayPal payment for 40 dollars for a piece of my music so there are some good guys out there!! 😁
@stevetournay37314 жыл бұрын
Excellent synopsis and advice. My brother's new project dropped a couple days ago...exclusively online and completely independent.
@gdcat7774 жыл бұрын
A family friend of mine drove her mother mental playing the song "Saturday Night" over and over and over.
@shellylyndsley3944 жыл бұрын
Thank you Fil for all you do .
@magneto79302 жыл бұрын
Being from the US, I honestly don't remember hearing of any albums beyond "It's a Game," and the song You Made Me Believe in Magic. But you could definitely hear the more sophisticated tone to it. Unfortunately, a lot of artists got screwed in the 60s and the 70s much in the same way they did. Too bad they couldn't have been around today in an era of more artistic control. But then again, I'm sure they were quite young and naive at the time and the record company saw them coming! I'm glad that Les was at least performing and seeming quite happy before he passed away. Thanks for the great upload!
@pamnichols78774 жыл бұрын
Very informative! I was 13 in 1977 and loved them.
@lawrencetaylor41014 жыл бұрын
No music video to analyze, you didn't play the guitar, but you just gave one of the most important lectures about the music industry.
@wingsofpegasus4 жыл бұрын
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@DSpeir-pi6tm4 жыл бұрын
I've seen a lot of really good local bands that got nowhere fast because of the music industry where I live . When I hear stories like this I'm glad I went on to be a Hair Solon guru .
@visigoth67813 жыл бұрын
Thanks for discussing the BCR appreciate your views, I completely agree with you. So sad. ❤️
@Dr.Moni643 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Very interesting and very good told.
@stevemogan53844 жыл бұрын
Record labels and management ripping off artists, is a time honoured tradition. Most of the great artists of the 18th and 19th century, died penniless due to poor management. That line from that Blondie song always comes to mind, "I'll keep the money, you can have the fame", all artists should keep that in mind, fame is fleeting and empty, money keeps bread on the table.
@omnibus41573 жыл бұрын
And _THAT'S_ what Bowie's song "Fame" was about, kids! The song came out of a conversation that Bowie and John Lennon had about how they'd been screwed by labels and managers. So while all the "purists" call him a sell-out for _Let's Dance,_ pfft, I'm totally on his side. The man needed to get paid! In the 90s, Bowie met Sean Combs, who expected Bowie to be a wimp. As they shook hands, Combs was surprised at the strength of Bowie's grip. "Man, what exercise machine do you use?" Replied Bowie, "It's called keeping my hands on my money."
@antonmesmer63244 жыл бұрын
Wow, Fil! Common sense! This video should be required viewing for any artist. You made excellent points.
@saltyprimrose45694 жыл бұрын
I don't know how to send videos or anything, but I would LOVE to see an analysis of one of Britians most underrated bands, the OUTFIELD!! Tony Lewis, and John Spinx were an awesome pair!!
@lemming99844 жыл бұрын
Hated the Rollers in the day, but this is terrible. They deserved better.
@teejayhaych1493 жыл бұрын
Its heartbreaking really. I feel so sad for them that they were so badly screwed over. What evil parasites the manager and record companies were. Just a group of young and innocent young men cruelly taken advantage of.
@tito.tarantula4 жыл бұрын
Great points made, Fil. You rock! The world needs more authentic and honest people, like you... and Tom Bukovac. Could you possibly do a review about him?
@wingsofpegasus4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@wildandwonderful70694 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation and advice! Before signing any agreement, ask the artists who have travelled a similar road beforehand! If signing, get an experienced attorney. Really hurts artistic expression if they can't get some of the proceeds. Sadly one of the tactics artist managers have done is to keep the artist so poor they can't defend themselves legally.
@syby11124 жыл бұрын
Small Faces original Ronnie Lane ,on radio in Austin Texas said that they were paid with a Semi Kool Flat, Mod Clothes, and Fan Adoration . That's the rule of that era , probably hasn't changed . Rapper Tupac Shakur ,at his death had less than $50,000 U.S., the expensive automobiles he drove were titled in Shug Knight's (his manager) name.
@knockshinnoch19504 жыл бұрын
A great video. The advice for young folks trying to "make it" is priceless. I'm a Scot and was in my early teens when the "Rollers" shot to fame. They had "paid their dues" by working the circuit of clubs and dancehalls around Scotland for years before their chart success. Girls of my age went nuts for the Rollers just as they did for Bowie, Bolan, The Osmonds & David Cassidy. They were on the same level as these guys! The one important person you missed out was the central villain of the piece, their manager, the notorious Tam Paton. Paton was a wealthy Edinbyrgh business man who managed several local bands. He ripped the guys off. He made a fortune off their backs. Years later Paton would be jailed for a string of offences with underage boys. Interestingly the man behind the Rollers first hit was the even more notorious Jonathan King who was jailed for... a string of offences with underage boys. Sadly this is also a recurring theme in the music industry. I recently watched a YT video about the US Boy Band The Backstreet Boys who's story is almost a carbon copy of the Rollers, right down to the paedophile manager who ripped them off and according to band members sexually molested them too. Another interesting story on the rip off theme is of course Berry Gordy and Motown records who famously ripped off the artists on his label. The Supremes had so many "expenses" deducted they received pennies for their efforts after a gruelling tour. Today off course we have...Simon Cowell...