Hahaha can never be too safe! I say this as someone who has been on the receiving end of a garage door spring breaking and a bracket right to the face!

I’m thinking the Falcon tow/haul kit is a legit alternative to the Bilstein 5100. Love how beefy they are plus the adjustable rear shocks.

It’s a great set up, total no brainer upgrade!

Thanks man!

Bilstein does not make 5100 series for your Ram Rebel. Will send you a link for the correct part 6112 series.” What part# did you use for 5100”s. I have a 2019 Ram Rebel crew

I’ve heard that a few times in the past but will say there’s thousands of us running the Bilsteins on Rebels with no issue. A few guys have asked bilstein for specifics but bilstein never responded. Up to you if your are ok with moving forward but I will say I love how to kit turned out on my Rebel.

Bilstein are dumb asses. From your product link they state Fitment notes : “ Vehicles with Offroad package do not use top 2 circlip locations. Highest lift for Offroad package is 2″ A Rebel has ORP standard. They state do not use top two settings as you did. I told them they WILL be warranted bc you state they are good for ORP. Stated to them that Bilstein needs to update the resources you refer to when responding to customer questions. Lets hope they listen. From product link: DESCRIPTION Bilstein B8 5100 0-2.6″ Front Lift Adjustable Shocks for 2019, 2020, 2021 Ram 1500 New body style Part: 2×24-232203 Includes: 2 shocks Fitment notes: For vehicles Without Air Suspension. Vehicles with Offroad package do not use top 2 circlip locations. Highest lift for Offroad package is 2″ Product Description Bilstein B8 5100 (Ride Height Adjustable) shock absorbers are designed for trucks and SUVs with a front OE coilover style suspension. Multiple snap-ring grooves in the body allow for different spring seat positions, providing 0-2.75 inches of front lift with OE springs (depending on application). The monotube shock absorbers feature a 46mm digressive piston a with self-adjusting deflective disc valve setting. Bilstein B8 5100 (Ride Height Adjustable) shock absorbers provide increased wheel travel and improved handling. Utilizing a B8 5100 (Ride Height Adjustable) shock absorber is the easiest way to level out your vehicle. Collapsed Length (IN): 16 Extended Length (IN): 22.08 Collapsed Length (MM): 406.5 Extended Length (MM): 560.9 Finish: Zinc Plated Reservoir: No Body Design: Snap Ring Grooved Body (Coilover) Body Diameter: 46mm Download Installation Instructions for Bilstein B8 5100 0-2.6″ Front Lift Adjustable Shocks for 2019 Ram 1500 Includes Shocks exactly as pictured

Falcon = good stuff!

Thanks man! I can only comment on my set up. I have 34’s with a 1mm offset wheel. If I were to bump up to 35’s I would for sure need to do some trimming.

You can certainly remove the brake caliper to lighten up the hub assembly but it’s not mandatory. You can grab all the torque specs from readylifts instructions: www.readylift.com/media/installation-pdfs/69-1935-Install-Instructions-2-20-TS.pdf

I think so because you’re technically running factory UCAs at 3”. So it’s good piece of mind.

CV’s are great

You don’t HAVE to but it doesn’t hurt to upgrade the UCAs for piece of mind. I upgraded my UCAs before I added the 5100’s because I was chasing another issue.

@@WaterFowler41 Awesome man, thank you!

The front is 40” to the fender edge, the rear is 41.5”

Nope Firestone was able to align everything nicely!

I used the torque specs from the readylift install guide: www.readylift.com/media/installation-pdfs/66-1921.pdf

I’m running 34’s but I also have a 1 mm offset so you might have to do some trimming if you run anything larger than a 33

No, the Offroad is package is longer springs in both the front and rear

@@WaterFowler41 1'' longer in the front and in the rear? Do offrad packager Rams have front rake from the factory or they are more leveled than usual rams ?

They have rake, I don’t recall how much off hand but take a normal ram and lift it 1” all around, the rake is still maintained 3/4” to 1” maybe?

bilstein came back and said they do not officially support anything except 6112's on rebels. other 1500's are ok for 5100. that's their opinion, clearly it works fine and looks great...just interesting to see the disconnect between what a manufacturer supports and what the real world is doing!

They make a top strut tool that grabs the top nut better but still gives you access to the rod. Use heat and a quality penetrating lube. Otherwise you can bring it by a shop and they’ll be able to knock it out.

Yup

Hello friends Ram enthusiasts. I have a new body Bighorn. How to figure out if it is with or without the off road package? Thank you for your help.

Call a Ram parts counter at a dealership with your vin, they will be able to tell you pretty quickly if your truck was shipped with the ORP

The little play is normal, I wonder if your front sway bar end links are toasted and need to be replaced.

@@WaterFowler41 I also replaced those at the same time with the SuspensionMaxx links. Was underneath there today, those look fine, UCA’s look fine, no contact with the spring. Not sure what the issue is, prolly have a mechanic buddy take a look. I don’t mind replacing the CV’s if they are the issue, just didn’t want them to wear prematurely again, if this setup was causing them too. That’s why I was asking how yours were doing, as I think you have a similar set up. Thanks 💪

Negative, I believe you contacted me on Instagram. Hope I was able to help!

To get a mild lift and fix my issue with my springs hitting my UCAs these were enough, but big upgrades coming soon to the suspension department!

With a travel trailer, you’re definitely going to want to add bags to stop the squat

Maybe readylift UCAs?

In general, I would suggest upgrading UCAs anytime you go over 2” of lift. It’s good piece of mind to replace UCAs however tons of people run lifts/levels without issue in stock UCAs. I have a lifetime alignment package on my truck so it was easy for me to justify doing this in steps but if you are going to pay for a single alignment, I’d suggest doing it all at once if you’re going to upgrade UCAs.

It all comes down to how comfortable you are with the ball joint angle. On my Rebel I have the 1” lift from the factory and 2” from the Bilsteins so I’m effectively lifted 3”. This is no mans land for factory ball joints so the RC was piece of mind for me. Do you NEED to replace them? Probably not. Is it a good idea to replace them? Most definitely yes.

On your Rebel I would definitely consider new UCAs mostly because after the bilstein 5100 install, you will be running the factory UCAs at 2” plus 1” of factory lift. 3” is no mans land for most UCAs. I’ve seen hundred run without them but if you’re going to dig into the front end, might as well kill two birds with one stone.

@@WaterFowler41 thanks, would you still go with the rough country UCA?

Yup, cheaper than readylift and they have worked well so far. They are also aluminum so they won’t look like shit after a few winters (salt and rust).

@@WaterFowler41 Just wondering. Why didnt you change your UCA's when you put the 2" levelling kit? Truck is already 1" factory lift plus the 2" levelling kit is 3".

You are correct about the lift equating to 3”, if you look closely you can see the control arms on my truck are not stock, they are the Rough Country forged UCAs. I installed these a while back before I did the Bilsteins.

I used a 1” rear spacer from motofab

Nope I actually looked them up in the readylift instructions.

Yup it definitely rides better than the Motofab kit.

@@WaterFowler41 awesome thanks!

If my memories serves me correctly I also felt the ride stiffen up a bit especially at slow speeds like driving less than 35 bumps seemed harsher but above than the truck was fine.

@@WaterFowler41 Thanks for responding! But yeah, it does seem fine above 35mph but I guess sometimes I feel on a highway that's not smooth or a highway that has sharp bumps or dips the truck can become a bit unsettled. Maybe it's just the nature of a truck as this is my first time owning a pickup coming from cars. And it could be because I drive the hell out of it as well...

That too! Haha

I already adjusted them when I was running spacers so didn’t need to since I was staying at about the same height.

Which kit from Rough Country? I haven’t heard of a kit that comes with a bump stop for this.

With the bilsteins I ended up running rough country UCAs and they were great

@@WaterFowler41 Hi, new subscriber here. Do you actually need to replace the UCAs? I just purchased a new 2023 Rebel and was thinking of doing the hockey puck level until I came across your video(s). Great content BTW! 👍👍

@zerwinmabugat1885 I’d highly recommended new UCAs since you’re already digging into everything, pay once, cry once… Thanks for watching!!!!

Thanks for the suggestion! Awesome channel with a lot of great content!

Yup, this (in my opinion) is the best way to level your Rebel.

@@WaterFowler41 why these over the 6112? I’m Looking to level my rebel… Will I need to replace the uca so i don’t develop the issue you had with hitting the spring?

You don’t have to replace the UCAs but it doesn’t hurt. I bought the 5100’s because they were in stock. 6112’s we’re back ordered.

@@WaterFowler41 awww. Makes sense. Thank you!!!

Not sure there was a HUGE noticeable difference between the factory and the new 5100. The 5100's excel when it comes to lifting the truck and maintaining ride quality.

Happy to clarify any questions you have on this project!

Stocks will work but it never hurts to replace the UCAs while you’re digging into everything already

@@WaterFowler41 did you get the full 3 inch lift in the front? im worried since the RC UCAs say 3inch or greater? and how were the quality? im gonna be running 35s... so i want to make sure everything will be fine

With the 1.8” i got from the bilsteins and the 1” orp springs i was at about 2.8” and ran the rc UCAs for a while. They worked great.

@@WaterFowler41 Thank you!

Yup always have an alignment after you mess with the suspension geometry.

Yes I’m running suspensionmaxx end links

@@WaterFowler41 Did you ever get noticeable cv vibrations in 4hi with the bilstein level at 2.0?

1.8 above my Rebel at factory

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand you will only get the clunk if you are full droop and have upgraded to control arms with a higher range of motion. That being said, It's far worse if you have the OE control arms, since the reason you don't hear a clunk, is because the balljoint is running out of articulation before the Controlarm hits the spring, resting all that tension on your balljoint instead.. That's a recipe for popping a ball joint. The geometry in this truck's suspension, and it's lack of mechanical stops in the suspension, is such that the best, and safest option to lift it, is the bilstein 5100 shock replacement.

@@patamaran now would I need to replace the shocks in the back with the 2inch puck? Or bring that down to like a 1inch to get that leveled look?

The instructions say don’t use the 6-7 positions for Rebels or ORP so not sure about that. For non ORP set ups, the highest lift you can get is 2.6”. That might land you around 2.4-2.5” at the end of the day which I don’t think necessitates a UCA replacement.

@@WaterFowler41 did you have any alignment issues with the RC UCAs and running less than 3" lift? (RC UCA's are rated for 3-3.5" lift)

If you can afford it, I’d definitely recommend the 5100’s over a spacer kit on any truck.

@@WaterFowler41 thanks! Enjoy your vids! Love the truck!

Thanks man!!

I just installed the same struts. First! The spring has to be compressed an additional 1.5 inches! For 1.7. Scared th shit out of me. Thought th tool was gonna break..I took to a buddys fe shop to use his wall mounted compressor. First thing he said it's gonna ruin ride quality. He bailed on his compressor! We decided to add spacer on stock clip position. Ride is same. I can't believe this guy didn't show spring change..I used same tool..the safety pin won't engage. Spring diameter too big! I'm a retired GM tech so this isn't my first rodeo..getting the spring off is cake..still dangerous but doable. The extra 1.5 was too sketchy for us..good luck. Love the upgraded ride from these shocks! I still call Bullshit on better ride quality..gotta ride like a brick!

Truck rode great when I ran these. Note that Bilstein suggests not running positions 6/7 on any Ram with the ORP package springs. That said, the 5100 upgrade is arguably one of the most common upgrades Ram owners make to their trucks. Most competent shops can knock out this upgrade if you’re unable to.

I'm sorry but I am not sure what Tantas shocks are.

Direct link is in the video description my man!

I’m not sure about the additional spacer. I typically stay away from a stacking two types of lifts like that but yes with the 5100 and your ORP package, you’d use setting 5

I had a 1/4-1/2” of rake still

It’s on the recommended 5th ring. According to the bilstein instructions this is the 2” lift setting but real world I ended up a little shy of 2”

It would but I personally would just go with a 4" lift at that point since it comes with all the parts to safely lift the truck and reduce wear and tear on your ball joints and CVs. Also adding only a 1" lift spacer on the top of the Bilstein front strut, you will need to trim the mounting bolts to clear the spacer.

@@WaterFowler41 thats true. That 4” bds just looks so massive lol and i hear its stiff as hell

The 5100 “can’t be combined with a spacer kit” (in front) per manufacturer. This is really just a level kit. If you want more than you need to bust out $$$ and get the lift kit. You can add a spacer to rear to get the rake back if you haul loads often. Remember the rake from factory is designed for payload. Optimal max load is when truck sits level.

@@Bob-gy6ud yeah a lot of guys have with no issues at all

Have you look around the suspension to see what may be causing the issue? Seeing any wear marks?

My 2021 rebel does this too. From. The 1st day I picked it up a few months ago

@@ALLAHDRINKSCUM well I lifted mine so that’s the reason. You should look into yours

At really slow speeds I feel bumps a little more, which is to be expected when lifted. At speed the Bilsteins are phenomenal. Even my wife complimented on the ride comfort. It was a good move replacing the leveling pucks with the 5100’s.

Should be fine that’s what I originally did

Awesome thanks

At 1.5" of additional lift you're going to be running 2.5"of lift on the factory UCA. I think you will be OK but if you offroad a lot, for piece of mind, I would swap them out for some Readylift or Tuff Country arms. If you go with the 2" setting, then you can look at the Rough Country UCAs.

@@WaterFowler41 thanks, I plan on doing the same exact setup as yours later this year.

Any reviews on the Bilstein 5100's? Btw do you happen to kno what kind of shocks are on the North Edition 4x4 Rams? It does have the 1 inch lift like the off roads. I think they're bilsteins but they're all black; and they did put HD - heavy duty shocks on the sticker.

I’m not sure maybe they are bilstein. I was looking around for info so I could include that in my video but couldn’t find anything on them. I only had the Bilsteins on my truck for a few days before I had to drop the truck off at ram to have my window replaced. In the few miles I drove the truck I absolutely love the ride quality. Also, it’s nice to not have to worry about UCA and spring issues anymore!

Tons of folks running that set up without issue but I personally would replace UCAs as piece of mind

Yes it should

These struts will lift your Rebel about 2 more inches. With the Rebel I would highly recommend replacing your controls arms since 1” factory plus the 2” bilstein is a lot of lift for a factory (plastic) control arm.

Thank you for answering my question. I understand the rebelt comes with a one and a half inch lift as far as I know. Can I just remove the factory one inch lift and use the strut instead? Or is there no way to remove the factory lift?

The factory 1” lift comes from the springs not the struts so if you want to remove the lift just swap your springs with the non-ORP springs

@@WaterFowler41 ho ok thanks. You answer question. Thank you for taking the time.

The spacer style lifts will potentially cause issues with your UCAs and springs. If you have an ORP truck, you're better off getting proper lifting struts and avoiding spacers.

The instruction give you specific measurements for a Rebel, not sure who’s saying they aren’t for the Rebel but they are incorrect

@@WaterFowler41 and the RC upcoming are correct for this lift? I'm new to this and just want to have the correct setup. Appreciate your input

Yup the rc control arms work with 3-3.5” of life which after a 2” level these Rebels have.

Many folks have without issue but I prefer the piece of mind of a corrected ball joint angle

Yup alignment and trucks projects are well worth the pto!

@@WaterFowler41 ok. ty. coming from a 08 jku so fully understand that one.

Jeeps are far less frustrating to work on than trucks!

@@WaterFowler41 not all the time! lmao

Mine still had a rake so if I tow it’ll be level.

I was waiting for the Eibachs but the issues I was having with the Motofab kit were concerning and I wanted to resolve them sooner than later. If Eibach comes out with the coilovers and I have an opportunity to get my hands on a set, maybe. As far as 5100 vs 6112, I don’t Offroad enough to justify the 6112’s. Thousands of people are using the 5100’s and they have excellent reviews. I couldn’t justify the price increase for the 6112’s.

@@WaterFowler41 I believe they do I have one in my shopping cart on real trucks. It says it’s compatible but I’m not sure, it’s 715$

@@NoSpillsChills that’s the regular pro truck kit, I’d want to go with the coilovers system they are still finalizing designs on. They tested them on regular Rams but not Rebels yet.

@@WaterFowler41 ah I see, I’m new to this truck stuff so that why I follow you lol thanks for th replies btw.. but I thought it was a coilover because it some with shocks and springs.. lemme ask you, would you recommend the 5100 over this setup?

@@NoSpillsChills No worries man, its why I make these videos. I ran the Eibach kit on my last truck and loved it, one of my favorite GM movies on my channel if you scroll through them. In my opinion, since our trucks (Rebels/ORP) come with the longer spring already there really is no need for the Eibach kit. If I had a base truck then yes I would for sure go with it but since I already have the spring lift, it doesn't seem cost effective to me. 5100's are less than $300 so its a hard deal to beat. Only issue is they fly out of stock real fast. I just checked BilsteinLifts and the 30 they have when I filmed my video are already gone.

Yep 2019 and 2020 Rebel’s are the same. Link to the kit is in my description.

It will cancel the warranty on your OEM struts and possible the cvs and ball joints. Nothing else

Say hi to my wife!

I think the second or third to top setting whatever the top setting was for them on a truck with the orp is what I went with. The bilstein instructions are pretty straight forward.

No issues with it and still running it

@@WaterFowler41 awesome - thanks!

@@WaterFowler41 Would you know if the ORP would need those retainers?

@@travissouthard875 Rebels don’t but I believe non-Rebels with ORP do

@@WaterFowler41 thanks - it doesn’t look like these came with it in the box…

So how do they achieve the 1” lift on non-rebels with the orp package? Same springs (+1”)

@@WaterFowler41 I have a 2020 Ram ORP, and this was really bugging me. Stock 18” rims, tires @ 32” tall… still 1/2” lower than a rebel…. It’s the tires and springs = 1”…. FCA on my build sheet just states it as “raised ride height “…. Very vague. I’m going with Eibach shocks at the 1.8 on Orp springs + uca + end links

@@WaterFowler41 Same as rebel…. I have a Big horn orp, with oem 32” tires…. If/when I put on 33s I will have same 1” lift…. Currently I’m only 1/2” taller than non orp big horns on oem 32’s; More I think about it, bet that the springs are same on all models, just rebel/ orp get slightly higher spring perch, imho

One bonus going orp vs rebel is that I get awd in my transfer case… small difference, but in light snow, which can quickly transition to pavement, like this option vs running 4hi

Bummer! I've had my truck aligned several times with these, never had any issues getting within spec.

The ORP kit adds different springs in the front and rear. When you buy a Rebel you get the ORP springs + bistein 4600 struts/shocks. The ORP lift comes from the springs.