Zachary Watson you can do all that unless It was all done already and then you rest tune and It hits dead nuts your done. John Dudley does the same thing with fixed blades once all is setup and done. This isn’t a bow tuning video this is simply a fixed blade verse field tip fix. They rarely fly the same out of the box the nock tune aids in that

Rbunton1987 that’s not valid for most cases when the field points hit dead on. Even John Dudley does the same and Levi when It comes to a micro adjust. If they have hit straight into the target it’s not a tail issue it’s a front rudder issue of the broadhead just planing a shade off. Easy fix

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Brent Hood yes and no. Your thinking sorta correctly and sort of not. So if the field point hits dead on. Field points mask small discrepancies. So if the broadhead hits let’s say 1” left of the field tip, you chase the rest toward the miss because what’s happening is the rest isn’t truly centered to the string drive of the arrow ie nock point. So to exaggerate the arrow is aimed left at full draw already and the paper tune may look perfect because it’s merely just a basic basic start point not for critical changes. So you chase the field point with the rest (move rest right) and then at full draw that arrow lays dead centered. I hope that makes sense. But paper tune is just a simple basic get It on the grid and everything else goes from there.

Brent Hood if you moved your rest away from where you want to hit and It worked, there’s other timing and nocking alignment issues because that would enhance the miss if Its purely a fixed blade planing in flight issue! Hope that helps

DIY Hunter I know paper is just a starting point but I have tuned several bows in my life and I shoot exclusively fixed blades for hunting. I have chased trying to push a fixed blade towards my field tips and all that happens is my poi changes with but the broadhead doesn’t get any closer. The reason this happens isn’t because of improper tuning it’s because of the archers paradox. The way the spine of your arrow flexes in the air. So the point changes the way it is directed I’m reference to the nock. The spine of your arrow has h big impact on this as well. And how square your arrow is On Both ends. I’m not putting this out here to disagree with you I’m just saying I have read all the how too articles and watched all the videos and no one seems to talk about this and it wasn’t until I correlated broadhead tuning to paper tuning did it clear things up for me. There is one thing in archery that I can say is nothing is constant it’s all based off of the shooter

And I’m not talking big adjustments a little movement goes a long way. For example on my Mathews vertix I set the center shot at 13/16 and broadheads where close but just a little left at 40 yards I moved my rest right and nothing changed as far as the distance my bh was from my ft. I go back to 13/16 and move my rest left just a hair and now my bh and ft are grouped together.

Brent Hood then the cause of the miss isn’t the rest forcing that broadhead to plane it’s an uneven nock end cut spine something else but if It fixed so be It ive never seen or been around chasing the miss with a rest before on a fixed blade when It wasnt something other than the rest is all

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phenn 777 if you’re field points hit different than your fixed blade then the arrow isn’t coming off the rest correct it’s not an aiming issue plus field point and broadheads should hit the same

@@DIYHunter Great, thank you!

Brad Garland may have to take a look cuz these new weights blow through this target

S&Madventures every bow paper tunes almost perfectly right from the factory with field points if that’s what your referring to, but to paper tune with a broadhead and It hits wont calibrate for how that arrow planes at 30,40,50 yards. Were talking micro adjustments to get them in line with a field point unless something is drastically off with the bow

Neil Emick who would tune they’re now with different arrow weights? We certainly don’t recommend that and didn’t in this video? Spine is affected by front weight and poundage draw drastically but if your well within spec of the arrow spine and as high as 500-525 grains It doesnt effect the left and right as far as spine goes. This was merely to show how to adjust the rest not a full tune on the bow

​@@DIYHunter I'm not sure who would, but you're using 2 different arrows weights in the video. You state that. No biggie. My comment was general not trying to start a great debate.

Yes 100%, my broadheads slam at 80 right on a field point

Ya he’s wrong, watch inside out precision broad head tuning 2.0 video

Plebian Bargain nope. It’s well below the weight i can handle and have drawn that way since i was a kid, had a pretty severe shoulder injury and it just tracks differently since then

Watching this I feel shoulder pain!

absolutely, as long as the broadheads are totally square and spin correctly, always spin test them as well sometimes we find certain broadheads even seem to fit better with a different arrow shaft potentially, but as you saw in this video i made one tune of my rest then my broadheads were hitting out at 60-80 dead nuts no problem. In most cases if only shooting up to 30-40 yards I will find the broadheads hit very close to the field point right out of the box if your bow is truly tuned correctly.

Your cam timing is probably off or need extra twist into your string somewhere. All the bows are different. Definitely a shop trip

@@DIYHunter string twist i would guess or stretch. Strings been on for a while now just had cams timed. Thank you!

No you don’t. Not if the field tips are accurate. Odds are there needs a small, maybe 1/16th adjustment the broadhead is most likely if the single cause of the miss left not the bow, is planing that way you always chase the field point. That’s taking out all other factors, the bow tune grip release etc.

Stephen Jones the paper tune should be done first but a paper tune is merely a rough tune but isn’t the final tune job. When you adjust the rest you shouldn’t be moving more than 1/32 or 1/16 and that will not change paper tune, or It shoumdnt at least. If It would male you feel better you can but we’ve never in however many years done so and with this method can hit out at 80,90,100 and be accurate so the tune holds true! I hope that helps

Somewhere In Wisconsin correct. Was shooting the video purely for showing the step process, my other arrows weren’t quite done yet so i was just letting arrows rip to show how I’d tune. But the weight wasn’t enough to effect my spines. However yes

@@DIYHunter Ah. I see.

Somewhere In Wisconsin thinking back i should of just waited i was trying to get out how to tune left and right with the broadhead should of waited

you cant plausibly line that up correctly down to the 1/16th or even smaller. But not this is how you tune a fixed blade, if anything your correcting the (fish tail) which is referred to as how the arrow planes through the air. A fixed blade will show the smallest amount of being out of tune from longer distances.

DIY Hunter well I’m not a professional shooter at all. I can group in probably a 6” circle at 40 yards but I’ll try this and see what happens.

Axemurder Bambi It will absolutely work, this is how you fine tune a fixed blade but you’ve gotta group to know where to even move the rest to.

There may have been a spine issue with your other arrows that’s always a possibility! I’m glad you got It figured out though man!

that bow is a Reign 6 from bowtech, shoots like a cannon

@@DIYHunter Oh okay💯 Thanks man.

@@justinberry16 no problem, since then have upgraded and are shooting a triax and a bowtech SR6. but that reign 6 is a hell of a powerful bow for cheap these days

Not necessarily, once you get into the cables your really making some heavy movements, this is just merely a movement for the basic initial test, we’re talking 1/32, 1/16th of an inch. These big fixed blades turn a minor into a major movement

@@DIYHunter maybe I worded it wrong. Buss cables should be your first move, if a 1/2 twist is to much then the rest should be tweeked.

@@rustyblevins5751 100% correct. That is the benefit of having split yokes top and bottom.

Bill Stiger yes but when sighting in fixed blades this isn’t always the case. That’s a big front rudder and It will steer even the smallest of being off and plane up down left right etc. for sure your tuning tip is spot on, but my bow was center center with field points out to 80 and as soon as the fixed blade went on it slid just a bit.

TheFlanman10 that’s not totally true. If your paper tune is good. And you can’t group broadheads to save your life correctly with the field point then what’s the sense of the paper tune. It’s merely to get the arrow flying as close as possible. It’s the very first most basic step, not the final product nor going to always be spot on once a broadhead is added up front. That head steers like a rudder and adjustments will need to be made most the time

mine was hitting roughly a few inches off at 20-25 yards, im talking a 1/16 inch adjustment to the rest sqaured it all the way to 80 yards. One movement and it was done. This wont knock it out of tune, it actually wasnt tuned quite refined enough, just a paper tune doesnt cure all especially with added weight and out at distance. Fixed blades have a front rudder which will make them plane more deviant if the bows even off by millimeters thats all.

Good deal! I guess my experience is that some big fixed blades just fly a little different than field points sometimes. Even when the bow is tuned (paper, walk back etc.) I shoot an old, cheap single cam though...lol! Thanks for the reply!

Quite often the fixed blades do hit different your right the faster the bow the more small differences change the flight even

Sean Mellers don’t need an outsert Black Eagle makes screw in brass weight for inside the shaft in the back end of the insert. Plus the heads are 100 by themselves. Why is 200 a bit much? Bow is shooting over 278-280 still more speed isn’t even relevant adding 10-15 FPS we would rather add the wright ten times over again

@@DIYHunter I never said it was too much. To be clear, I was saying that I don't think you're shooting 200gr up front. In your defense, you did say "close" to 200gr up front. I was trying to figure out how you hit 200gr since I favor a high FoC arrow. Semantics really, good video.

Sean Mellers yeah man no problem. Check out black eagle they’re screw in brass is heavy and make tons of combos i did check these arrows specifically have i think 95 of brass or 105 then the head is 100 as well.

@@DIYHunter I shoot x-impacts man, I'm thinking of getting the deep impacts again though. Those things hit super hard.

Sean Mellers that’s cuz they’re almost 10 gpi arrow you get a lot of weight through the arrow. Lot of people over rate FOC and under rate total weight. FOC is great and does help with pulling the arrow rather than pushing, but total arrow weight is the smash factor of impact regardless of where on the arrow It occurs. 500g is 500g in terms of purely impact power! Go back to them, run whatever you love!

Jonathan Hatfield it’ll be super super close if you nail the 20 yard down. But yes. You may get out to 50-60 and have a tiny variance. However, most times you get fix that with a small nock twist and reshoot. Test It with 1/4 twist each time

@@DIYHunter thank you

@@DIYHunter what is a nock twist?

@@rickbarbato turning your shaft and nock tune

​@@DIYHunter I recently tuned my bow, and got field tip and broad head shooting very close at 20. But i'm seeing a drop in my broad head at 30 and 40. What am I doing something wrong here?

Joe Malek i don’t know, this method works like a charm. And this bow hasn’t been out of tune in 2 years almost now. Shoots straight to 100 yards with this method and clean on paper. We’re talking like a 1/32” rest move

Arrows are built by us, tuned, spin tuned, nock tuned. Etc. before all else. So yes so to speak

That’s not correct. Broadhead chases the field point if your bow is center shot and tuned. It’s generally a planing issue with a fix blade. John Dudley and Levi Morgan both do It this same exact way. Works every time if the bow is setup correctly

@@DIYHunter Do you mean gold tip tuning guide is wrong ? There can't be two truths - or if can, please someone explain me why :D If broadhead hits left side of the field tip, it is a nock right (tear) problem and fixed by moving rest to left archeryandbow.com/how-to-paper-tune-a-bow/ I know there are lots of misinformation around the internet because this is very confusing. There is another one, if arrow lefts the bow sideways nock right (which causes broadhead hit left side of field tips), moving rest to left will fix it: bowlogic.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Paper-Tuning-a-Compound-Bow-1-767x425.jpg

If the field point and broadhead aren’t hitting the same. It’s coming off the bow incorrectly, it’s just a starting point

huntinsker not always true but thanks for the input! John Dudley and Levi Morgan would both refute that point as well.

@@DIYHunter And they're wrong too. They like you are just passing on information that they heard from someone else without really thinking about it. Not their or your fault necessarily but the fault of the people that originally didn't know they were wrong. Now there's decades worth of people unwilling to admit they were wrong the whole time. It really all goes back to the Easton tune guide and the fact that the broadhead tuning section was written for finger shooters only. People don't realize that so they're confused by it but if you notices on the guide, there are no fixes listed that are opposite what finger shooters would do like there are in the paper tuning guide. They also differentiate between right and left hand shooters in the broadhead guide, which you do not do when shooting a beyond centershot compound bow with a mechanical release aid. The thing about tuning is that it's based on physics. The physical laws of nature do not change simply because the head design changes. If you fix a nock right by moving the rest to the right, that will apply every single time, no matter the shape of the arrow point. I've tuned thousands of bows and never once have I had a bow tune the way you say to do it. It just doesn't happen. Again, it's physics.

@@huntinsker I don't want to look unkind with the guy who have made the effort to make this video with the intent to help other people, but you're 100% correct on this subject 👍. The only thing to do, if in dubt, is just to try both ways, and see wich one is the right one..

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Joe P i wish. I could hunt for a living very soon with a good retirement!!

Phil Ward that’s an aggressive comment but we get where your coming from. It’s not residential and i own on the other side of the fence which backs up to trees and woods. Its irrelevant

@@DIYHunter Just something I saw and thought I would mention it. Not trying to be aggressive just cautionary, for other folks' benefit too.

Phil Ward really sometimes makes ya shake your head at how much people don’t think doesn’t it? I see stuff all the time and you go man. What on earth that seems terrible from the get go!

MrMOLONLABE1776 this is the same way John Dudley and Levi Morgan do It. Two of the best shooters on the planet and It works perfectly

What are you taking about spare what, there’s guys all over running 5 fletches we didn’t say do It or recommended It we’ve just seen guys doing It that’s It

John Dudley and Levi Morgan both do It this way. But it’s not always just as simple. There’s a million components involved most the times it’s not just a rest move anyhow, and after the rest fix. Worked like a charm. Always does if everything else is shooting to spec.

Oh ok. Same method Levi Morgan and John Dudley use. Two of the best shooters in the world. So, can’t agree with you it’s wrong

It works. If the bow is tuned

Donnie Shulka uhhh, i lived in a county of 4500 people and graduated high school with 50. Not a city hipster eco whatever your referring to, as did our other two team members. So no idea where your getting your evidence were hipster city boys, never lived in a cities for any of us in our lives. The person behind manufacturing these broadheads we personally deal with and pronounces It the same way as we did so not sure that having a slang version makes you wrong in what your talking about.

@@DIYHunter I redact the word city. My apologies, you do, however, look and sound like a hipster city boy. Easy mistake to make.

Donnie Shulka yeah, we’re not sure where or why the negativity man to banter someone for what they’re wearing which is gym clothes none the less, but appreciate the input anyhow