Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons Remake - PS5/XSX/S Tech Review - UE5 Nanite/Lumen Come at a Heavy Cost

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Moving from Unreal Engine 3 to Unreal Engine 5, the latest remake of Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons deploys the new engine's Nanite and Lumen technologies to good effect. On PS5, Xbox Series X and Series S, the outlook is respectable on its 30fps quality mode. However, the 60fps performance mode falls short, and proves a step too far in locking to the target - despite serious resolution drops on Series S.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:56 - Original versus Remake Comparison
07:08 - PS5 vs Series X/S Comparison (Quality Mode)
08:50 - PS5 vs Series X/S Comparison (Performance Mode)
10:04 - FPS Tests (Quality mode)
11:32 - FPS Tests (Performance mode)
14:08 - Verdict

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@stuckintheinbetween
@stuckintheinbetween 3 ай бұрын
I definitely vastly prefer the painterly aesthetic of the original.
@Houldey
@Houldey 3 ай бұрын
yeah, I know it's not a particularly useful way of describing it - but the remake feels like it lacks soul.
@stuckintheinbetween
@stuckintheinbetween 3 ай бұрын
@@HouldeyIt would be like remastering Dishonored and removing its painterly look. Or XIII's cel-shaded look. The recent remake did that and it looked a lot worse. While this doesn't look bad on its own, it does, as you said, lack soul.
@cody3335
@cody3335 3 ай бұрын
Looks boring and amateur even for its time
@bleachie
@bleachie 3 ай бұрын
Is the original playable on back compat? The painterly look made me assume it was a kids game, and I dismissed it. It wasn’t until this review where it sounded like a game I would enjoy. An emotional story that’s only 3 hours long? Not what I was expecting at all.
@Dr.RojoMcDelly
@Dr.RojoMcDelly 3 ай бұрын
That’s just the effect of UE3 games tbh.
@RyanBounedara
@RyanBounedara 3 ай бұрын
Holy shit, 454p on Series S? What a time to be alive.
@oo--7714
@oo--7714 3 ай бұрын
Runs at a higher res on the rog ally. Ouch.
@killermoon635
@killermoon635 3 ай бұрын
@@oo--7714 with Nanite and Lumen ??! I doubt that Also, Series S runs 720p on quality mode most of the time
@kraenk12
@kraenk12 3 ай бұрын
It's slow AF.
@oo--7714
@oo--7714 3 ай бұрын
@@killermoon635 the game runs at high settings at 1080p 30fps+ fsr balanced (635p). Lumen and nanite seem to be active. The textures are higher Rez compared to the series s the series s as well as shadows etc.
@Keysco35
@Keysco35 3 ай бұрын
PS5 drops to 28 fps at 1080p. The devs didn't really optimize i guess
@kuplayford1203
@kuplayford1203 3 ай бұрын
It's pretty crazy how heavy UE5 is... I mean barely being able to hit 60fps at 1080p on a freaking 12TF machine is INSANE!
@koresoteira447
@koresoteira447 3 ай бұрын
It's not the engine, its how it is implememted...
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 3 ай бұрын
Not UE5's fault
@qT_p13
@qT_p13 3 ай бұрын
UE5 is an all purpose engine with too many features to count, unlike other more "streamlined" game engines that are made with specific design purpose.
@antarcticanman
@antarcticanman 3 ай бұрын
​@@koresoteira447 so many UE5 games exist in such state. Has to be a pattern. The marginal returns of nanite and lumen are not worth the perf hit
@WholesomePotato1
@WholesomePotato1 3 ай бұрын
@@koresoteira447 it is a heavy engine at this time. Everything is calculated per-pixel, that's why it responds so well to upscaling.
@Resuarus
@Resuarus 3 ай бұрын
This has big "Nintendo, hire this man" energy. I wish they handed it to a team that respected the original art style. The original had a lovely storybook aesthetic which has just been thrown to the wayside for high resolution photo-real textures. It's a shame, because there are things about the original that could clearly use a visual upgrade.
@auniqe
@auniqe 3 ай бұрын
exactly, all these modern game remasters seem to have less and less respect for the original artists intention, it just takes away from their identity
@elm4nsuri
@elm4nsuri 3 ай бұрын
well said
@vergeofapathy
@vergeofapathy 3 ай бұрын
I find the changes in color palette especially striking. The original has very muted-almost pastel-tones in most nature scenes, and considering how much that emboldens the more "magical" scenes (or just the blood even) where the contrast and saturation far exceeds that, I presume that was a very deliberate choice. The remake is a little like it's blasting "LOOK AT THESE LUSH DEEP GREENS!!!!" through a loudspeaker, and while it would be silly to say it doesn't look good, everything ends up looking samey, with a loud (but flat) "visual volume" throughout.
@Wanderlauch
@Wanderlauch 3 ай бұрын
​@@auniqe "all these" Which ones?
@Linkale_
@Linkale_ 3 ай бұрын
@@Wanderlauch I'm wondering the same
@oktusprime3637
@oktusprime3637 3 ай бұрын
454p is really a bruh moment.
@applehazeva2739
@applehazeva2739 3 ай бұрын
I think the last time I heard such a low Number on an official Release Console Game was Wolfenstein or Witcher on Switch Tf is this man
@MoonSarito
@MoonSarito 3 ай бұрын
@@applehazeva2739Doom Eternal and Hogwarts Legacy on Switch actually have a higher resolution than that. ( 540p ~ 720p ) This is funny considering that the Switch is just a handheld while the Series S you can only play it on a large TV where the low resolution is much more noticeable.
@FastRedPonyCar
@FastRedPonyCar 3 ай бұрын
damn not even hitting N64 resolution, eh?
@gaetanoisgro6710
@gaetanoisgro6710 3 ай бұрын
​@@applehazeva2739most switch games run at similar resolution, just look at Bayonetta 3, sometimes it's a 360p yt video.
@BryceCzirr-jz7ju
@BryceCzirr-jz7ju 3 ай бұрын
Best on PC
@oddmofo
@oddmofo 3 ай бұрын
Imho, the game only needed updated textures, on of the more memorable thing about it was the art style, the realism makes it look like any other generic UE5 game.
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 3 ай бұрын
I'd say slight lighting tweaks as well like better shadows but yes the most needed thing was higher res textures. Those low res textures really hurt the game. Pair it with the better animations in cutscenes and it would be perfect
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
Ironically, the comment before this instead complains the textures are overly detailed now.
@oddmofo
@oddmofo 3 ай бұрын
@@cube2fox I guess that that person was thinking of the character models (?). I will also add that updated textures don't have to be "realistic". We see it with Nintendo games. Their textures don't tend to be realistic, but we can clearly see how much better quality they are compared to each previous generation.
@oddmofo
@oddmofo 3 ай бұрын
@@cube2fox I saw the comment that you mentioned. I agree that the problem is the realistic textures. Like I said, better doesn't always mean more realistic. Like those UE5 fan remakes of Nintendo games, they look so uncanny with the UE5 texture packs.
@yewtewbstew547
@yewtewbstew547 3 ай бұрын
@@oddmofo Yeah you can sharpen up what is already there without actually adding more granular detail. The recent Tomb Raider Remakes screwed that up too, in my probably unpopular opinion lol. They used AI upscaling to recreate the original textures, but whatever they used created new textures which look photo realistic to the point where they literally look like a real life photograph and it's just uncanny.
@mackan072
@mackan072 3 ай бұрын
IMO, they completely lost the art direction by trying to make it look more photorealistic. And it's nowhere near photorealistic enough to actually pull this off.
@trashbytes
@trashbytes 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's bizarre. The old game at least had charme and character, this looks like they just ticked a few too many "next gen" feature checkboxes in UE5 without any direction at all. The performance speaks for itself on that regard as well. What a shame.
@ewantu
@ewantu 3 ай бұрын
Now it just looks like every other UE5 game. This is going to be a bigger problem over the years when more and more games are made on this engine.
@IMaximusDMI
@IMaximusDMI 3 ай бұрын
I don't think they lost it but it definitely had to change somewhat.
@Freidenker01
@Freidenker01 3 ай бұрын
Totally agree. They completely ignored the original art direction. The transition at 00:36 shows pretty well how this can make scenes actually worse. At the original games release they COULD have gone for a more realistic look, but they deliberately chose a more "fairytale"like one. Sure, it might had to do with budget as well but still thoughtfully chosen to harmonize with the story.
@AvaaSlays_Swiftie
@AvaaSlays_Swiftie 3 ай бұрын
@@ewantuexactly what I’ve been getting worried about. PS3 and 360 had so many signature art styles for games. What we have now is just moving to photorealism because that’s what the new generation wants and thinks that what makes a good game.
@JCSA79V
@JCSA79V 3 ай бұрын
Visually impressive of course, but there's a charm to the original art direction that's been lost in translation.
@kraenk12
@kraenk12 3 ай бұрын
It looks cheap
@Cangaca777
@Cangaca777 3 ай бұрын
@@kraenk12 It kinda looks cheap to me also.. which is weird since the graphics are clearly very superior to the original. my guess would be that the animation quality didn't quite matched the new graphics.
@Lock2002ful
@Lock2002ful 3 ай бұрын
Nahh, the original looks terrible. Has aged poorly and already looked outdated when it released. Glad this remake exists.
@DeltaPiss
@DeltaPiss 3 ай бұрын
@@kraenk12 it's got the "nintendo hire this man" aesthetic
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
The indoor lighting of the old game looks much cheaper in comparison.
@The_Stolas
@The_Stolas 3 ай бұрын
Because of the low. res. texutres and relatively low. poly models, the original had a pleasant semi-cartoonish visual feel that looked complete. The remake looks like Skyrim with a 4K texture pack and random unrelated model swaps, everything is super high res, but there is just not enough props for these high res textures, so everything looks empty and devoid of life.
@walber33
@walber33 3 ай бұрын
Why would i want lumen if my game is running at 480p and its all blurry? just like, what they are thinking?
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
People probably said the same about Crysis. Why not play Quake 1 at impossibly high resolution instead? Yet strangely, people wouldn't watch Twin Peak with higher resolution but worse lighting.
@walber33
@walber33 3 ай бұрын
@@cube2fox Crysis was not a remake and was mainly a pc game where there is all sort of configs, while this is a game with a target hardware and offering a sub 720p 30fps for a next gen console, just unnaceptable.
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 3 ай бұрын
​@@cube2foxpeople didn't call crysis blurry when it came out. Even if they did, that was 20 years ago
@jorge69696
@jorge69696 3 ай бұрын
@@walber33 the xbox series s isn't very next gen.
@TheRadioSquare
@TheRadioSquare 3 ай бұрын
​@cube2fox nobody cares about lighting and meshes if it requires a terrible resolution. It's not an either or situation, they were just too lazy to optimise or consider the actual scope of their project and what would've worked better.
@laurencecastle2321
@laurencecastle2321 3 ай бұрын
Just a tip for anyone playing the original on Xbox, you can make an unofficial coop mode by using the Copilot feature to clone the player 1 game pad to two players.
@weskerend507
@weskerend507 3 ай бұрын
Such a memorable game. I recommend playing solo, IMO sharing the brothers' controls will take away a big part of this game's impact.
@DJCube1701
@DJCube1701 3 ай бұрын
The developers of the remake really don't care about the artistic vision of the game or the work done by anyone that worked on the original. This was just a job to them, nothing more.
@mechanicalmonk2020
@mechanicalmonk2020 3 ай бұрын
​@@DJCube1701 it's the same folks?
@Xeirus911
@Xeirus911 3 ай бұрын
@@mechanicalmonk2020 No it's not, they literally explain this at the beginning of the video.
@DJCube1701
@DJCube1701 3 ай бұрын
@@mechanicalmonk2020 no. The original people moved on and formed a new company to make A Way Out and It Takes Two.
@FrasMcG
@FrasMcG 3 ай бұрын
@@DJCube1701Have you got a source for this? Even if you think they did a poor job, it could come down to a number of factors.
@davi00854
@davi00854 3 ай бұрын
For all those who say that the series s is weak or that it should be eliminated, I remind you that there are games that are much more graphically demanding than this one and that run much much better. Some developers have simply forgotten how to optimize game
@jaspreetmaan121
@jaspreetmaan121 3 ай бұрын
this game didn't require lumen, baked lighting would have looked and played better
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
No way. Look at 4:15, you can't do that with baked lighting.
@Jona69
@Jona69 3 ай бұрын
@@cube2fox You do get bounce lighting with baked lighting. As long as the light isn't moving it works fine.
@villa_art
@villa_art 3 ай бұрын
I think it more so didn't need nanite. Especially since it from a top down. You can't see in the distance so LOD pop in is already kept to a minimum. They could have kept lumen, and opted out of nanite and increase performance and visual quality
@Astrophizz
@Astrophizz 3 ай бұрын
@@Jona69 It also doesn't work with moving objects/characters. And there are problems in a lot of games where the bake isn't high enough quality and you get stuff like light leaking.
@nkw1985
@nkw1985 3 ай бұрын
@@Jona69 - I swear the more I see these natural light tools in games the more I prefer baked lighting or whatever the old ways of doing it were. I would rather it look pleasing than accurately reflect and all this crap. The closer we get to photo realism the more I miss the way games used to look.
@TheAmazingSpiderGuy_99
@TheAmazingSpiderGuy_99 3 ай бұрын
I’m getting real sick on unoptimized UE5 titles. Also in typical Unreal Engine fashion it strips all the art and charm away.
@EastyyBlogspot
@EastyyBlogspot 3 ай бұрын
It is weird as i see some games and graphically I cannot say they really stand out....but they just run so poorly and have other graphical issues
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
I think the game is optimized, the advanced engine features simply require more hardware performance.
@MamoMark
@MamoMark 3 ай бұрын
It's clearly optimized to run at 30fps
@scarpusgaming
@scarpusgaming 3 ай бұрын
Lol they don't bother optimizing because nanites and lumen are "so good" ​@@cube2fox
@sawdust8691
@sawdust8691 3 ай бұрын
​​@@cube2foxEh. There's UE5 games that run very well. It is an optimization thing as well as hardware. If you want to use stuff like luman hardware power plays a big roll. But you don't have to use that stuff to use the engine. Most recent UE5 game I've played is Tekken 8. And it runs smooth as butter, is plenty sharp, and a real looker in terms of graphical fidelity. Thing is it doesn't use luman or nanite, I don't think. Fortnite runs at a solid 60 on Series x/ ps5 with lumen on. Simple art style and they got it to work smooth. One of the first ue5 games too. If devs want to use UE5s hard hitting features they have to make it work. If the result is poor then it's a mistake on the devs part for using those optional features poorly. I think that mostly falls under "unoptimized" territory more than hardware. To optimize a game for weaker hardware you have to turn down or off demanding features, and they didn't. At least not to a good enough extent like the other UE5 games that run well.
@86mrnelson
@86mrnelson 3 ай бұрын
As someone who just played the original last month.. I don't see why this was done? The visual style was great and held up well. I would have liked to have seen the developers work on something new perhaps not a sequel as the story doesn't lend to that but maybe a spiritual successor.
@agromchung
@agromchung 3 ай бұрын
Quick and "easy" project (as in, the game is not long so there's not a huge amount of assets required) to keep their visual/engineering staff busy while their design and writing staff work on the new untitled D&D project, I imagine. Plus, it helps them get acquainted with UE5, which they haven't made a release with yet.
@jarg8
@jarg8 3 ай бұрын
Starbreeze has been hanging on by a thread since Overkill's The Walking Dead. Look into their legal issues. This is a quick and uncreative way to make money. That's it. Hazelight Studios was founded by the director of this game and they went on to do A Way Out and It Takes Two. Look over there instead of over here. Starbreeze is just the shell of a developer at this point.
@alyxoj1361
@alyxoj1361 3 ай бұрын
Idk, but I think something is lost in the transition.
@birms3287
@birms3287 3 ай бұрын
Yeah. It's less stylish. It sorta sacrifices some of its identity to look very modern and pretty, but kinda generic.
@idakev
@idakev 3 ай бұрын
idk. The original is good in spite of some aspects of the graphics, tbh. I think it's a lot easier to care about the characters in the new version (they're more expressive). *That's a limitation of the original that I imagine is not intentional* (0:16) and simply down to what they could pull on their budget, like the way characters have no mouths in MGS1. lol. Yeah, that's charming in a way, but it's also just dated.
@birms3287
@birms3287 3 ай бұрын
ahh true! The faces and facial animation are way better. especially the part with the giant mom head. it looks very uncanny in the OG. @@idakev
@ishiddddd4783
@ishiddddd4783 3 ай бұрын
@@idakev UE5 is perfectly able to keep the artistic direction with better graphics, here it's outright lost in translation
@hadiganmadder970
@hadiganmadder970 3 ай бұрын
I don't care how much care was put in this. A game like this should easily hit 60 fps... absolutely abysmal optimization
@DJCube1701
@DJCube1701 3 ай бұрын
It's obvious that zero care went into any part of this remake. Wouldn't surprise me if it was entirely AI made.
@Wolfos530
@Wolfos530 3 ай бұрын
For the most part I think it just doesn't really need Lumen. Replacing that with baked lighting would be a hell of an optimization.
@Lock2002ful
@Lock2002ful 3 ай бұрын
very true
@allansolano5587
@allansolano5587 3 ай бұрын
Sadly this is using lumen and thats basically software ray tracing light even tho it look simple it is extremely taxing thats why every unreal engine 5 title run so poorly even on pc that technology is still early to be use this widely they could made this perfectly fine at 4k 60 if they ditch lumen and nanite but if s game uses UE5 and uses lumen and nanite from now on expect the best mode to play it to be at 30 fps even if its a simple game
@MamoMark
@MamoMark 3 ай бұрын
It's clearly optimized to run specifically at 30fps and not 60. If the game was made with 60fps as the target, then it would be a different story. Could they have made visual and art compromises to make the performance mode run at 60fps? Sure. But the amount of effort that would be put into a optional mode is a waste of time when the game clearly was made with all the art and graphic choices to run at 30.
@jeveritt8398
@jeveritt8398 3 ай бұрын
A remake that's an example of just because you can doesn't mean you should
@kraenk12
@kraenk12 3 ай бұрын
it looks much better!
@SebHighDef
@SebHighDef 3 ай бұрын
@@kraenk12 stylistically it looks much worse
@Digitaldelboy
@Digitaldelboy 3 ай бұрын
@@SebHighDefThen play the original
@KINGPHANTOMw85
@KINGPHANTOMw85 3 ай бұрын
@@Digitaldelboy They wont. they just use it to shit on the remake. Just like cod players say the old ones are better but never play them.
@finkitsallover
@finkitsallover 3 ай бұрын
​@@KINGPHANTOMw85 well tbf the average player isn't going to install a client to not a get a virus by playing to old P2P CoDs
@vinyfiny
@vinyfiny 3 ай бұрын
Probably could've skipped Nanite and Lumen. Baked lighting would've got 95% of the way there and nanite isn't necessary given the viewpoint. Performance would've been substantially improved. Or hell just do a remaster at 4k 120fps instead of a full remake; the original art style holds up surprisingly well. Higher res and better textures/higher model detail would've gone a long way.
@anthonyrizzo9043
@anthonyrizzo9043 3 ай бұрын
Its pretty sad that a game that pretty much stares at the ground and doesnt really have bussling towns or cities with lots of ai going on or sweeping landscapes with large battles cannot hit 60 fps at 1080p on these consoles. I get it, its not needed, but they have the option.
@randyrrs7028
@randyrrs7028 3 ай бұрын
This gen is well disappointing, consoles struggling no way they can do any game with 4K native at 60fps then there’s raytracing which it simply doesn’t have the power to do
@anglo-saxonconnor817
@anglo-saxonconnor817 3 ай бұрын
I really have no problem living with PS3 and Xbox 360 era graphics. They still look nice to me to this day.
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 3 ай бұрын
Depends on the game. Pretty much all of them look worse
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
Yet people are complaining about resolution and frame rate in the comments. Paradoxical.
@sneakkyz3696
@sneakkyz3696 3 ай бұрын
I agree. If they would use the power for physics instead of just making games look better imagine how crazy games could be right now
@xtr.7662
@xtr.7662 3 ай бұрын
@@crestofhonor2349 yea the only 360/ps3 games that aged well are like mgs5, tlou1, tomb raider, gta v the rest nah especially this one looked like an og xbox game
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 3 ай бұрын
@@xtr.7662 Pretty much all the games you mentioned are very late gen 7th gen games which doesn't surprise me. There are a few others I would add though
@TheAxb2010
@TheAxb2010 3 ай бұрын
Every tim this game is mentioned, I remember TotalBiscuit...
@limpa756
@limpa756 3 ай бұрын
Original looks better
@CaptainKenway
@CaptainKenway 3 ай бұрын
The whole time I was playing the original I was thinking "man, I could see myself being really emotionally invested in this game's story if only it had Lumen and Nanite". Thank god the endless remake train is here to save the day! Who needs new games?
@idakev
@idakev 3 ай бұрын
The characters are more expressive though ... which makes people care more.
@Xeirus911
@Xeirus911 3 ай бұрын
@@idakev sounds like you never played the original
@idakev
@idakev 3 ай бұрын
@@Xeirus911 I did. There's objectively just more advanced facial technology this time. It's not like it's an insult. The original came out around 11 years ago and didn't have a huge budget.
@piotrmazek540
@piotrmazek540 3 ай бұрын
@@idakevThat's true, but that's basically the only advantage of the remake. The facial animations are very well done.
@bigboy6019
@bigboy6019 2 ай бұрын
@@idakev expressions dont matter when the faces genuinely hurt to look at theyre so uncanny
@colhapablap
@colhapablap 3 ай бұрын
if anything, they should have INCLUDED the original version running @ native 4k, 60 fps
@randyrrs7028
@randyrrs7028 3 ай бұрын
This gen is well disappointing. Consoles struggling no way they can do any game with 4K native at 60fps, then there’s raytracing which it simply doesn’t have the power to do. The norm in quality seems to be 1440 native at 30fps or slightly upscaled which is a long way from native
@DownUnder43
@DownUnder43 3 ай бұрын
I don't really cry on video games but this game has severely broke my heart to a point that I couldn't play again. It reminded me the loss of my mother. Nevertheless is a brilliant designed and developed Game. You can tell there was heaps of love been put into it.
@h.h.808
@h.h.808 3 ай бұрын
Sorry for your loss. Since my mother passed away ten years ago I'm also very sensitive to such tales, movies and so on. It won't get away but today it's a little easier to cope with it. Anyhow, this game really is very nice and heart warming. Played the original version on the Switch and didn't miss the super duper graphics they put in the remake.
@Ibrahim.leasure
@Ibrahim.leasure 3 ай бұрын
"It Takes Two to three hours to finish." I see what you did there 😏
@Andrea-yf3hu
@Andrea-yf3hu 3 ай бұрын
Awesome work on this one, Tom! Thank you
@Rhahdhdn
@Rhahdhdn 3 ай бұрын
454p on Series S!!? holy shit
@quenepas415
@quenepas415 3 ай бұрын
40FPS on PS5!!? holy shit
@VatchGaming
@VatchGaming 3 ай бұрын
Switch and Series S are both $300 toys even lower.
@SnizelOfficial
@SnizelOfficial 3 ай бұрын
@@quenepas415 This isn't console war, go away. 40 fps is way more reasonable than 454p anyway.
@TheNivektube
@TheNivektube 3 ай бұрын
Series S should be canceled
@theanimerapper6351
@theanimerapper6351 3 ай бұрын
​@@SnizelOfficialthe bot can't help himself. Imagine defending 454p 😂
@darrenm01
@darrenm01 3 ай бұрын
And these remasters still can’t lock to a 60 fps. Forget about 4K, we’re talking about 1080p and 454p on PS5 and Xbox Series consoles. It’s like optimization goes out the window this generation. We can just use 30 fps (or lower) and dynamic resolution down to 454p.
@agromchung
@agromchung 3 ай бұрын
It's a remake
@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom
@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom 3 ай бұрын
@@agromchung so Demon Souls is also a REMAKE on ps5 and how it looks and runs?
@randyrrs7028
@randyrrs7028 3 ай бұрын
This gen is well disappointing. Consoles struggling no way they can do any game with 4K native at 60fps, then there’s raytracing which it simply doesn’t have the power to do. The norm in quality seems to be 1440 native at 30fps or slightly upscaled which is a long way from native
@BenchARTVideos
@BenchARTVideos 3 ай бұрын
Devs continue to use shortcuts. I understand the use of nanite, but lumen? Lumen would be useful in a dynamic time of day game, which is not the case, baking gi would not only be more beautiful, as well as more lightweight, but yeah, using lumen is just faster to use by devs. But the performance consumption is just sad
@andrewt9128
@andrewt9128 3 ай бұрын
More detail for details sake doesn't mean it's better looking. I think a bump up while maintaining the original art style would have been much, much better. Technicals aside I think the original looks far better (until you get close in some cutscene shots)
@marshinz5696
@marshinz5696 3 ай бұрын
I can’t believe it’s been 11 years. Before A Plague Tale : Requiem emotionally destroyed us there was this. Great Game. Odd remake choice but it’s one that people might have missed. It deserves more eyes on it imo.
@GaminylGames
@GaminylGames 3 ай бұрын
I played this last year and it was absolutely amazing. Hopefully this remake gets more people to play it
@plume...
@plume... 3 ай бұрын
Cheers Tom, nice breakdown. (Of the game).
@UnL1k3
@UnL1k3 3 ай бұрын
Character models look fine, environment has lost all sense of the original artstyle though. It sorta just looks like: Generic UE title number 349521
@sean7332
@sean7332 3 ай бұрын
It's too saturated
@Phreno_Xeno
@Phreno_Xeno 3 ай бұрын
So unnecessary. Fixing what wasn't broken. The added detail doesn't look better imo. Stylized graphics is fitting for a storybook tale type game.
@Harrysound
@Harrysound 3 ай бұрын
What can we remake next ?
@RazorCallahanDK
@RazorCallahanDK 3 ай бұрын
God of war ragnarok
@sc.md90
@sc.md90 3 ай бұрын
Pacman.
@oceanedetotes
@oceanedetotes 3 ай бұрын
RDR2 ?
@JohnSTF72
@JohnSTF72 3 ай бұрын
The original still has its own visual charm to this day, although the cut-scenes are way more pronounced and impressive in the remake. Thanks for the comparison.
@UnjustifiedRecs
@UnjustifiedRecs 3 ай бұрын
The most baffling remake yet, who the fuck thought this needed resources? Its not a game that needed remaking... At all ..... The industry really is fucked isnt it
@lordxboss5700
@lordxboss5700 3 ай бұрын
😂 There’s Way more pointless remakes being released 🤷🏻‍♂️ as long as the people that feel that way Keeping that same energy
@UnjustifiedRecs
@UnjustifiedRecs 3 ай бұрын
@@lordxboss5700 give us some examples of more pointless remakes than this one coming out.
@lordxboss5700
@lordxboss5700 3 ай бұрын
@@UnjustifiedRecs Last of Us 1-2 🤯
@UnjustifiedRecs
@UnjustifiedRecs 3 ай бұрын
@@lordxboss5700 they are already out, and yes I agree they were silly, but at least they didn't change how the game fundamentally looked, they improved it. They've ruined this games wonderful charm with a terrible art direction decision. It looks horrible.
@lordxboss5700
@lordxboss5700 3 ай бұрын
@@UnjustifiedRecs You’re comparing this small PS3 title that many people missed or never heard of to the 2 recent Last of Us games 1 that was already remastered. Most baffling I don’t think so where’s my God of War trilogy remake ?🤷🏻‍♂️
@notusingpremium
@notusingpremium 3 ай бұрын
Ah yes below SD 480p in a current gen console in 2024. Is it meant for the old CRTs? Does the Series S come with composite video?
@randyrrs7028
@randyrrs7028 3 ай бұрын
This gen is well disappointing. Consoles struggling no way they can do any game with 4K native at 60fps, then there’s raytracing which it simply doesn’t have the power to do
@TwinOpinion
@TwinOpinion 3 ай бұрын
🤔The art direction was lost in translation. It just doesn't work for me. I prefer the original.
@ctestdummy83
@ctestdummy83 3 ай бұрын
Im only in the first part of the game on series x and i have an lg c1 oled and i cannot tell the difference between the resolution of the performance mode vs the quality mode. I am up clise pixel peeping as well so idk if this is a bug or what. Also this game runs smooth as hell with 120hz vrr no stuttering at all so far. Its also in hdr i dont think tom mentioned that which would make this only the second unreal 5 game to have native hdr and the first one to have it with lumen and nanite active.
@djayjp
@djayjp 3 ай бұрын
That's Lumen lighting...? Ok if you say so 🤷‍♂️
@gabd.5299
@gabd.5299 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I'm with you on this... It doesn't look like anything fancy...
@hover3898
@hover3898 3 ай бұрын
Theres no freaking way that with these ps4 era visuals that a ps5 cant hit even do 4k 30 or 1440p 60. There are some serious inefficiencies and overhead going on here. Some ps3 games can look close to these visuals....
@bleachie
@bleachie 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! I missed this one back in the day, but after your video I decided to buy it. Thanks!
@David_Banner
@David_Banner 3 ай бұрын
I bought the pc version about a year ago. A great game.
@Mittzys
@Mittzys 3 ай бұрын
Impressive how much less soul the remake has
@cheochessman2922
@cheochessman2922 3 ай бұрын
Another solid win for XBOX💚
@timothylewis2527
@timothylewis2527 3 ай бұрын
Didn't know this had released already! 😮 Gotta get this for old time's sake.
@ficha13
@ficha13 3 ай бұрын
Hey, remember that 650e console you bought? You also need a 1000e tv to go with it for 120hz and VRR
@jeromemccalla9520
@jeromemccalla9520 3 ай бұрын
30fps for a AA game on ps5??
@falseme23
@falseme23 3 ай бұрын
454 - 720p in quality mode? it's a joke?
@chutcentral
@chutcentral 3 ай бұрын
Consoles suck, cope
@zombiesl8yer383
@zombiesl8yer383 3 ай бұрын
​@@chutcentral eh even though i find the series s stupid I WILL DEFEND IT HERE as the low res ehile looking at the game its CLEARLY fhe devs fault This is an unoptomised issue not a consol issue for a game like this and what is presented there should be no excuses for the s to at minimum 2k res and 60fps This is just lazy or bad devs not optimising there fucking games. .
@mitsuhh
@mitsuhh 3 ай бұрын
Sure, kid, sure. When you have games like Horizon Forbidden West running native 4K @@chutcentral
@chutcentral
@chutcentral 3 ай бұрын
@mitsuhh And it struggles to even maintain 30fps with way dialed back textures, lighting, LOD, etc. 🤣 PC can run ANY game at 4K, with ray tracing settings and frameratrs you couldn't even dream of. You get some trash versions of AW2, CP2077, etc., and think you're getting the same experience as PC. It's adorable though, I'll give you that 😘. Also, HFW is out in 12 days on PC and is going to absolutely mop the floor with the trash console version. Cope harder though, I can't hear you 😂💀 Also... Kid? That's you, buddy. Consoles are for children. Us adults have expensive toys, not $500 consoles with weak azz hardware 🤣😂.
@zombiesl8yer383
@zombiesl8yer383 3 ай бұрын
@@chutcentral mate pcs arent cheap When they relaxed price to performance ratio is quite large and irratating Lets not forget convenience too But latley some of these games on consoles I'd down to poor optimisation then being weak both ps5 and series x are pretty good consoles for power wise in comparison to mid range PCs NO SHIT pc is better if u spend over 2000 grand I would assume I be getting a superior experience to a 300 quid system, maybe shove that ego back to where the sun dont shine and maybe stop gloating cause by the end of the day who cares u have money to spend on the best specs for gaming?
@OmnianMIU
@OmnianMIU 3 ай бұрын
I really thank you for all awasome works you do everyday for us, really appreciate! Is in your plans to make a content of comparison in this game? I would see performance comparison of console vs RX 6700 vs RTX 2080s. The performance in raster of RX 6700 are comparable with 2080s, not 2070s! Thanks as always ❤
@Sithedd
@Sithedd 3 ай бұрын
Does the game finally have two controller CO-OP? Because I don't want to share a controller like I did in 2013.
@microsista1413
@microsista1413 3 ай бұрын
why not just make a sequel instead of a remake?
@Wobbothe3rd
@Wobbothe3rd 3 ай бұрын
A sequel would be a much bigger commitment than a remake. New Story New gameplay. It's not an equal choice between remaking a game and making a sequel.
@Mittzys
@Mittzys 3 ай бұрын
1:51 lol, default unreal engine lens flare.
@77josh77
@77josh77 3 ай бұрын
Dear god, that Series S performance mode. Is the ghosting on the characters from the source footage or KZfaq compression?
@taaazzzzzzz
@taaazzzzzzz 3 ай бұрын
Lack of interactivity and physics with the environment is disappointing
@HenryMarkV
@HenryMarkV 3 ай бұрын
Not trying to discount the amount of work put into this, but it often looks a weird HD texture pack mod. The character designs and animations look good, the world and the textures however seem overly detailed and kind of ruins art.
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
The comment below you says the main thing the original needed was better textures.
@b4ttlemast0r
@b4ttlemast0r 3 ай бұрын
The original presentation aged pretty well, didn't really need a remake. The original stylised artstyle got completely lost here, it looks like those hyper-detailed uncanny valley CGI films. It's like those animated kids' shows that moved to 3D and completely lost their charm.
@edwarddavid7893
@edwarddavid7893 3 ай бұрын
Please do a stalker trilogy tech review !
@AngelloProduct
@AngelloProduct 3 ай бұрын
I didn’t expect a remake for this.
@86themadhatter27
@86themadhatter27 3 ай бұрын
It's funny, it sort of looks like a weird live action remake, i thought the original had a nice art style and aesthetic. It would be like remaking Limbo and removing its black and white style
@Electivedrop
@Electivedrop 2 ай бұрын
It kinda felt a bit like it was going in a movie direction instead of a game. Bunch of long added cutscenes that didn't contribute.
@alelokox88
@alelokox88 3 ай бұрын
Theres literally no benefits or reasons at all to enable Nanite or lumen in a game like this, not a single one... Want more depth and textures in the models like nanite? Make more models or increase complexity, want a more vibrant lighting? Raycast/raytrace en then bake the scene... this is not a massive open world game but runs like one, or worse at 720p in 2024
@Spietler
@Spietler 3 ай бұрын
I played it on the Ps3, and it felt just like s normal size game, definately took me way longer than 3 hours, but I like to stop in games like these to appreciate the graphics. Looked good on Ps3 back in the day, so this will look amazing.
@HeretixAevum
@HeretixAevum 3 ай бұрын
This looks like it will be good in the future on a deep sale when hardware can trivially brute force it. The original was awesome and its a must play imo.
@PintsofGuinness
@PintsofGuinness 3 ай бұрын
environments look great but wtf did they do to the character faces
@Electivedrop
@Electivedrop 2 ай бұрын
I really didn't like the faces either or their movement despite it technically being smoother. Much of the environment was so overly detailed.
@NeothaAndMiano
@NeothaAndMiano 3 ай бұрын
This game was an amazing experience and I remember it very fondly. For this reason it really pains me to see them not even try to iterate on it. 11 years on we're just expected to play the exact same thing, just with "better" graphics. Another big W for modern game development.
@Wobbothe3rd
@Wobbothe3rd 3 ай бұрын
No one's forcing you to buy it.
@NeothaAndMiano
@NeothaAndMiano 3 ай бұрын
​@@Wobbothe3rd Don't be a bot and just mindlessly repeat whatever phrase is currently popular online.
@killerrick9643
@killerrick9643 3 ай бұрын
This is one of the only games to make me cry. Gonna be great with this remaster
@Izydriel
@Izydriel 3 ай бұрын
I played the originial and I played the remake on my Series X. I love both versions and didn´t have any problems with the performance mode. Sure, there where sam dips noticable, but we´re not talking about a compatitive shooter or such. I should mention: I´m playing on an LG OLED with VRR. The game itself is still amazing!
@Maesterful
@Maesterful 3 ай бұрын
Omg in the remake thumbnail he looks like a cabbage patch kid 😂
@viggurumurthy5311
@viggurumurthy5311 3 ай бұрын
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like the game lost its original art style and now has boring "realistic" visuals? 🤔
@Electivedrop
@Electivedrop 2 ай бұрын
100%
@thanksbetotap
@thanksbetotap 2 ай бұрын
Does anyone know how the PS4 and Xbox One versions compared and ran?
@rozhrahman8663
@rozhrahman8663 3 ай бұрын
Still you guys haven't done an analysis for It Takes Two!
@DEEPDR3AMS
@DEEPDR3AMS 3 ай бұрын
Bad Devs
@kupokinzyt
@kupokinzyt 3 ай бұрын
3:54 damn that's some of the worst "advance water shaders" I've seen in a modern game.
@MLWJ1993
@MLWJ1993 3 ай бұрын
I've seen the GameCube do better than that 😂
@hrungnir00008psp
@hrungnir00008psp 3 ай бұрын
how can the frame rate in performance mode go below 30fps and remain constant at 30 fps? This mode seems insufficiently optimised on PS5.
@lio220
@lio220 3 ай бұрын
12TF for 60fps at 1080p ! Wow soon we will have 12TF for 30fps at 1080p ! Devs should concentrate their effort on optimizing all algorithm
@killer-toner6602
@killer-toner6602 3 ай бұрын
So 1080p sub 60 💀 gotcha
@ottomaticallyawesome
@ottomaticallyawesome 3 ай бұрын
Yeah… I don’t think it looks good enough for sub 60fps.
@JamieRobert_
@JamieRobert_ 3 ай бұрын
These consoles are severely underpowered what do you expect
@ottomaticallyawesome
@ottomaticallyawesome 3 ай бұрын
@@JamieRobert_ yeah, but still. Hopefully, if a PS5 Pro is happening, it’ll be zen 4 and RDNA 3 for some real gains.
@x0Fang0x
@x0Fang0x 3 ай бұрын
The worst part is that it doesn't even look that great compared to the best-looking games and they are running better than this.
@ttwinsturbo
@ttwinsturbo 3 ай бұрын
@@ottomaticallyawesomezen4 and rdna3 you only get when you buy a PC not PS5 Pro😂😂
@DeltaPiss
@DeltaPiss 3 ай бұрын
how to kill an artstyle
@MasterCraftX8
@MasterCraftX8 3 ай бұрын
Amazing. Was just about to play this game for the first time.
@denis11237
@denis11237 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful work, amazing game, recommended.
@techsamurai11
@techsamurai11 3 ай бұрын
The original has a Fable quality to it. The new version is probably one of the biggest visual leaps I've ever seen. It's almost too much. It's really transformative.
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
Especially the UE5 lighting system looks great in this game. The real-time indoor diffused bounce lighting looks almost like full path traced global illumination. UE3 and UE4 were good at the time, but UE5 is really ahead of the competition. Especially when you think of its virtual geometry support, which still no other engine has. Though it all comes at a performance cost.
@gabd.5299
@gabd.5299 3 ай бұрын
I don't think it is... There is so many good middleware for lod management it is not a problem anymore, and the over reliance on screen space light transfering really hurt the visuals. IMHO of course.@@cube2fox
@techsamurai11
@techsamurai11 3 ай бұрын
@@cube2foxYeah the only issue with UE5 is performance and sticking to 60fps with PS5 and XSX without lowering internal resolution too much. I hope they can optimize it specifically for those consoles since really they are the only ones struggling to hit 60fps.
@cube2fox
@cube2fox 3 ай бұрын
@@techsamurai11 I'm not sure there is much left to optimize in the engine. I think they are already at version 5.3 now. At 60 FPS, a decent resolution may simply not be possible with those IE5 features enabled on current gen home consoles. Though apparently the Avatar game uses a similar global illumination system, and the game runs better than UE5 titles. But they don't have virtual geometry support (continuous LOD / unlimited detail).
@techsamurai11
@techsamurai11 3 ай бұрын
@@cube2fox yeah, it sorta kills UE5 for big titles and even for medium graphically intensive games. The other engines may not provide lumen or nannite but the results can be as impressive and they can hold 60fps.
@Nicholas_Steel
@Nicholas_Steel 3 ай бұрын
They changed the water to some kinda oily gelatinous goo... also I get the impression they should've included a 40FPS mode.
@Kage5868
@Kage5868 3 ай бұрын
does it support online co op? i can you tell us that instead
@xtr.7662
@xtr.7662 3 ай бұрын
I mean weird they use dynamic res in all modes except the performance on ps5 and series x
@S5000Krad
@S5000Krad 3 ай бұрын
The state of gaming
@shemeerki384
@shemeerki384 3 ай бұрын
ue = good for devs bad for gamers
@user-iv5te9bs8y
@user-iv5te9bs8y 3 ай бұрын
Can we have more videos of/ with Tom? I was more excited to hear him talk about something than the content itself. Maybe if more people get this comment up, DF will get Tom to appear more frequently to cover stuff.
@Simon-L-B
@Simon-L-B 3 ай бұрын
I love how as the years go by, the resolution and fps of games seems to be going down, not up…
@TylerMBuller12
@TylerMBuller12 3 ай бұрын
2013 version was fine and had a decent art style. This is a really pointless remake. They should of just made a new game.
@Deathdemon65
@Deathdemon65 3 ай бұрын
I mean certain games dont need a remake. The devs opted for that art style in the original to make it looks like that
@OwtDaftUK
@OwtDaftUK 3 ай бұрын
I can't help but question the value/cost of Lumen for consoles. Apart from the close up cutscence moments, it looks like something from the PS4 Pro.
@Youxitube
@Youxitube 3 ай бұрын
Could Fares’ next game be an asymmetric co-op adventure? None can tell.
@Phreno_Xeno
@Phreno_Xeno 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, he's done three so far..
@DJCube1701
@DJCube1701 3 ай бұрын
​​@@Phreno_Xeno he's only done two. A Way Out and It Takes Two
@Phreno_Xeno
@Phreno_Xeno 3 ай бұрын
@@DJCube1701 A Tale of Two Sons makes three.
@Gangreen167
@Gangreen167 3 ай бұрын
I cna''t believe this day and age we still getting games running at 30fps
@Jay053
@Jay053 3 ай бұрын
Why is it so hard to believe?
@someusername1872
@someusername1872 3 ай бұрын
​@@Jay053because modern games often don't look good enough to excuse being stuck at 30fps. This was supposed to be the gen to make 60fps a more common thing on consoles but the demands of modern games pretty much undid all of that and now we'll have to wait for an updated refresh or gen 10 to really get what gen 9 was supposed to be
@Wobbothe3rd
@Wobbothe3rd 3 ай бұрын
​@@someusername1872modern games look dramatically better than even just 5 years ago. That said, this is the outcome of letting AMD have a duopoly. Nvidia GPUs would do better even at console power draw.
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 3 ай бұрын
I don't find it hard to believe. 30fps will always be around no matter what hardware we have
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 3 ай бұрын
@@Wobbothe3rd At least we have Intel at least trying to do something instead of AMD just being diet Nvidia in the GPU market. Arc isn't perfect but if they get good while keeping their prices low they might be able to change pricing
@sade1212
@sade1212 3 ай бұрын
Oh, it's soul vs. soulless again
@Wobbothe3rd
@Wobbothe3rd 3 ай бұрын
Cope.
@gavinderulo12
@gavinderulo12 3 ай бұрын
I will never understand these comments. What makes the remake be soulless?
@crestofhonor2349
@crestofhonor2349 3 ай бұрын
@@gavinderulo12 I prefer the style of one over the other. That's what it means
@gavinderulo12
@gavinderulo12 3 ай бұрын
@@crestofhonor2349 same for me. I prefer the remake.
@DJCube1701
@DJCube1701 3 ай бұрын
​@@gavinderulo12even though the graphics of the remake are completely at odds with the entire game? You probably prefer The Lion King remake as well.
@FreakEkyth
@FreakEkyth 3 ай бұрын
when the 360 had better resolutions that most recent releases we live in a sad world
@captainthunderbolt7541
@captainthunderbolt7541 3 ай бұрын
I've never touched the game before - but, watching this, puzzle elements appear to stand out more in the original version to me.
@Electivedrop
@Electivedrop 2 ай бұрын
The overly detailed world in the remake tends to drown out other things like puzzles, because there's so many details everywhere already. Half the time you don't know where you're supposed to look.
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