I really like that Bruce Wayne actually gave him a chance and took the time to listen to him. He didn't reject his idea because he thought he was crazy. He did it because he knew it could be dangerous.

I never realized this as a kid, but Bruce totally offers him a chance to prove himself and Nygma blows it. I always thought he was just fucking around with him, but the only minor road block is Bruce telling him to set up an appointment.

This is a side of Bruce Wayne that is always ignored even in the comics. He's a businessman that cares about his employees and wants what's best for Gotham.

If you think about it, this was heartwarming on Bruce Wayne's part. Bruce Wayne was being fair with E. Nygma(despite the obviously mental instability); he gave him a chance to prove himself and he genuinely listened, and when he rejected the idea, he told Nygma why he rejected the offer and it was a reasonable one because he was concerned of the negative implications.

I find Val Kilmer’s Bruce Wayne to be the most approachable and considerate. He was respectful and careful with his words when he turned down Riddler’s idea.

"You were supposed to understand..." That's just it, Ed, he DID understand. That's why he said no.

Fun fact: Paul Dano’s riddler wears the same glasses as Jim Carrey’s riddler

I'm really glad they wrote the scene to show Bruce's compassion and patience with people even if they're like Nygma. When I was a kid I felt so bad for Nygma here, but seeing how Bruce treated him made me love Batman even more.

*I like how Val Kilmer's Bruce Wayne is so thoughtful. He listens to Edward even when he could just ignore him. This film is very underrated.*

I love this dreamy vibe of Gotham. I don't know how to describe it, but even the sky was purple

I love how nice Bruce Wayne is. Reminds me of the animated series after he thanks the caddy: Rich prick: "You thank the help? Do you thank the garbage man too?" Bruce: "if I see him"

2:16 “feel like they’re inside the show” … you don’t say, eh, Truman?

That intro animation looks so outdated now, it used to look so realistic when I was young.

Damn he was making a VR headset

Jim is the reason this movie will never be forgotten

"Why be brutalised by an uncaring world?" I think that line spoke volumes about this version of the Riddler. Maybe because of his genius from an early age, he'd grown up as a nerdy outcast with no friends, maybe only picked on or brutalised by bullies, and while he wasn't studying, the only friends he could really turn to were those on the television screen, a form of escapism from the harsh and unforgiving reality of life. So that became his goal, to turn that dream into a NEW reality, no matter how dangerous it may have seemed (like Spellbinder's VR proved many years later), so that maybe no one would ever have to go through what he experienced growing up ever again. It seemed like giving the public a chance to be happy in a world of misery was his goal, and when he was denied that chance, it drove him over the edge, and the side effects of his Box only began to damage his mind even more, especially when he discovered much later on that his device could copy other people's thoughts to his mind and his greed got the better of him. I think in a way, this was one of the best interpretations of the Riddler we ever got. We all know Jim Carrey's history of depression. Putting on a happy face and being all wacky is just a disguise. That same logic could've easily applied to the Riddler here. Funny and smiley on the outside, but actually deeply tragic within.

Whoever picked Jim to do this role was absolutely brilliant

Val Kilmer was actually a pretty good Bruce Wayne. I wished he had decided to do another movie in the franchise.

Val Kilmer, in my opinion, definetly had the best Batman voice. It reminds me of a live action Kevin Konroy

“You hired me personally” “We’ve never actually met” 😂😂😂

“You were supposed to understand... I’ll make you understand.” You can see Bruce go from Edward’s hero to his nemesis in his eyes. Only a great actor can pull that off, kudos to Jim Carrey.

I like how Bruce Wayne said, "it raises too many questions." Kinda like he was foreshadowing the Nigma as the riddler.

Val Kilmer's eye glasses really looked great on him.

I just noticed Paul Dano’s riddler wears the same glasses

This was back when Jim Carrey was in everything!

i feel that Jim’s performance is highly under-appreciated. he was absolutely fucking BONKERS and really portrayed the Riddler as best as anyone could.

I'll throw my name into the "Val Kilmer was an underrated Bruce Wayne" hat.

Val Kilmer was a fantastic Batman/Bruce Wayne and this movie has always been my favorite. It seems like this movie getting more appreciated.

Imagine working in that environment,the lighting is just depresing.

Now I know what Jesse Eisenberg was trying to do with Lex Luthor.

Loving the comments appreciating the detail of Bruce Wayne being genuinely courteous to Nygma. Small details like that go a long way which is why I still enjoy this movie. Did it age like wine? Nah, but for every weird and dated decision, there are also these moments that have me fondly remember the film. I really hope we get Batman Forever: The Red Book Edition in the future.

You ever realize he’s wearing the same glasses as the riddler in “The Batman” (2022)

I love how you can see Jim Carrey's sweat running down his neck. He's absolutely 100% in the scene here.

fun fact, that security guard on the right at 0:42 is Jon Favreau, director of the first two iron man movies and also happy hogan.

I liked Val Kilmer and Michael Keaton wearing glasses as Bruce Wayne.

Val Kilmer's batman was the closest comic book adaptation of Bruce and I stand by it. And Jim Carrey was the greatest Riddler.

Val Kilmer was actually a pretty good Bruce Wayne/Batman imo

Jim Carrey's acting is so good here.

I don't care what people say, Jim Carrey was perfect to play the Riddler

bruce was completely honest and explained calmly and clearly why he morally disagrees with nygma. as a hero that is the best you can do sometimes.

I love how Bruce literally did nothing wrong here. He was incredibly nice considering he had an entire company to run. Nygma had some stones demanding that Wayne answer him right then and there. Like who the hell do you think you are? 😂

Bruce actually offered to set up something for his experiment. I mean if Edward was a little bit more patient and with a few safeguards implemented then he probably would’ve gotten his invention approved.

Val Kilmer and George Clooney may not have been good Batmans, but they were terrific Bruce Waynes.

this film may not be perfect, but it's punchlines and the nasty jokes and dialogues were definitely top notch! kudos to the writer and the cast for delivering it perfectly

I actually like this movie. Has a true batman comic vibe

Geez, the animation at the start is positively ANCIENT now. Bruce was quite reasonable here, even for someone who was probably going to say "no." He heard the guy out, and instead of rejecting him there, asked for his schematics to truly understand the threat. Looking back at this, though, this idea feels a little bit more like a "Mad Hatter" thing to do than "Riddler."

3:10 "it just raises too many questions"

The virgin Paul Dano’s riddler vs. The Chad Jim Carrey’s riddler .

I never noticed how much Carey played up the crush Nigma has on Bruce Wayne and it's really scary tbh

“You were supposed to understand” if he just took his deal about waiting who knows, but he pushed for his answer

Edward : *You are my Idol* Compare to the recent movie, this line aged pretty well

“It just raises too many questions.” Oh the foreshadowing.

When this idea didn't work he went and installed cable

Man Val Kilmer was a perfect Bruce Wayne. Can you imagine if they put him in an actual batman film authentic to the comics that were coming out at that time??!

It took me a long time to realize how terrifyingly insane this character truly was.

Bruce: Manipulating brain waves raises too many [ethical] questions. Also Bruce: Now excuse me, I’m off to my night life as a vigilante working outside the law. The concussions that I supply are the only form of brain wave manipulation I’ll entertain.

“Jim Carrey plays his future actual self.”

If it weren't for Jim Carey I would've hated this film. He was just brilliant at playing the Riddler. Though I would like him to play the Joker one day

Goddamn Val Kilmir did do a good job as Wayne.

"you were supposed to understand"...a line that connects Nygma to the recent Reeves' Batman with Riddler?

Jim Carrey's delivery on the last seconds is just priceless! What a great performance.

2:32 Val Kilmer looking like a young jeff bridges here. lol

"I am Dr. Nygma" "Nygma what?" "Nygma Balls"

He has the best bat man voice

Jim carried this movie on his back

How did they hire Edward anyway? How the heck did he pass be interviewed haha nobody talks about this.

I just realized The Cable Guy became Edward Nigma so everyone could enjoy TV just a little bit more👍🏼

I don’t care what other people think, Val’s Bruce Wayne/Batman was the best Batman.

Am I the ONLY ONE who thinks Jim Carrey did a great job in Batman Forever?

I never noticed that Jon Favreau is walking with Bruce Wayne in this scene.

Fun Fact; Jon Favereu is actually in this movie. You can see him at 0:46 waking behind Kilmer’s Bruce Wayne to the right

The truly disturbing thing about this Nygma is that he has Riddler bobble heads and merch before he even becomes a villain

Edward, Edward Nygma N-Word, N-Word Ligma

Nygma. Edward... Edward Nygma. You hired me personally. We've never actually met, but your name is on the hiring slip. I have it. Your doing a good job making yourself look sane there Edward... not!

Carrey Riddler - Rejected by Bruce Wayne. Dano Riddler- Rejected by Batman.

I can't believe Edward died of Nygma

2:02 my reaction after seeing Batman & Robin.

This is the zenith of comic book writing and acting. Jim Carrey’s understanding of human disaster only means that he can’t be a bad guy in real life. I don’t think I appreciated a scene like this as a kid. Now I can see it for what it truly is... a pinnacle of cinematic achievement.

Kilmer will go down as the best Bruce Wayne/Batman. The man is so cool in every role. He is a born star. Watch the details in his performances. Carrey played The Riddler like a real lunatic. It had a perfect blend of lunacy, tragedy and comedy.

0:01 Come on Batman Forever, You didn't gave us a CGI Gotham didn't you?!

Nice scene between Val's Bruce and Jesse's Lex Luth... I mean, Jim Carrey's Riddler.

Jim Carrey in the 90’s looks exactly The Riddler actor in Gotham Series both look a like.

I feel like the Paul Dano version takes this concept and makes it WORK weirdly enough, a clearly unstable but genius man who thinks the hero will have his back, but ultimately leaves him hanging due to the fallacy of his modus operandi.

Jim Carrey is a legend , but Gotham's Edward Nygma will always be my favorite

0:53 nigma: ohhhhhhhhh, bruce wayne. bruce: no i am killian the mandarin..

I think Bruce did the right thing turning down Edward's project. Tampering with people's minds and brain manipulation, that doesn't sound right.

I always liked how Carrey's first line was "Oh my God it's HIMMM~"

best batman movie ever made Val Kilmer played the best Bruce Wayne/Batman. quiet and calm

Actually a very well written dialog. An also an interesting take on the villain. Just imagine if Facebook and Oculus VR joined forces, so much power in the hands of a few.

Val Kilmer was a pretty decent Bruce Wayne and did a good solid job but Jim Carrey for me made Batman Forever a really fun movie, his balance of wackiness and level of eccentric behaviour made The Riddler a very dangerous villain. The way he switched from being an eccentric fan boy looking for approval from his 'idol' to an obssesive stalker who was 'rejected' was absolutely epic.

Anyone else realizing Jesse Eisenberg’s Lex Luther comes off as a cheap Edward knock off?

2:01 That's funny how Fred puts his hand on his head as a way of saying, "Oh, the horror!!"

Say what you will about these movies, but they still slap.

This movie hits a soft part of my heart.

Val Kilmer 🐐

Val Kilmer was so underrated in his performance as Bruce Wayne.

1:16 The Canadian slipped out of Jim Carrey right there

Lol , that animated intro made me think that this was that telltale batman game.

Out of all the live action Batman’s in the 90s this was the best. TLJ as two face, Val kilmer as Bruce Wayne the which his portrayal of Bruce reminds me of keatons, and then prime Jim Carrey as the riddler can’t ask for more

The fact that Paul Dino has the same glasses on the Batman 2022 that Edward wore here