Experiments and successful demonstration of making an idler wheel for one of my BRS deck record players
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@thegregolarecordsclub65644 жыл бұрын
From one who owns a BSR, this is a great idea.
@mrrgstuff4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😀 Been meaning to try this for a while. Probably paid too much for this BSR, but I do have the clear plastic lid for it and as BSRs go, it's one of the better one. Was disappointed when I discovered it needed a new idler wheel, but it was fun to do and I will probably use it more now. 😀👍
@darrencoe57954 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video making your own idler. Same issue with tape recorders.
@mrrgstuff4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😀. It was fun to do and although I could do better, I think it is good enough for the moment. Not ventured into tape recorders yet, but might if one comes my way. 😀👍
@jas20per11 ай бұрын
I spent most of my apprentice years fixing record player turn tables, and in later years the idler wheel became a real problem with the replacements being harder to obtain. There is a method rejuvenating them though, first put the wheel in some near boiling water for approximately 5 minutes next while the rubber is still hot apply some "Winter Green" essential oil then massage it into the rubber. Yes I know it sounds strange but it works on all rubber producers by replacing the plasticizer that evaporates from the rubber over time.
@mrrgstuff11 ай бұрын
Thanks - that's good to know. The method I used was certainly not the simplest - but did work, although in retrospect I should have made a brass bushing for the centre of the wheel and not relied on the plastic. As it happens it has worked fine - and I have just upgraded the cartridge on it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g753lt2p3NKxiZc.html I did find another way to simply make a very usable idler wheel, though not something that could have been done back in the day: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ic-IibOnqq_cfXk.html Thanks 😀👍
@marty-fh1rw Жыл бұрын
I sent an idler wheel for an (then) unknown brand turntable to Russell Industries in NY for rebuilding.They are nice people.A KZfaq man kindly put me onto them.
@marty-fh1rw Жыл бұрын
AWA-Thorn Turntable.Trawled through 100s of pictures to locate it.
@mrrgstuff Жыл бұрын
@marty-fh1rw Glad you found the make. I did experiment with another way to make idler wheels here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ic-IibOnqq_cfXk.html Thanks 😀 👍
@davidk62714 жыл бұрын
Good work. Well done.
@mrrgstuff4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😀. I think it worked out pretty well! 👍😀
@tarstarkusz3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like it needs a new stylus. You may want to try the wintergreen oil trick. You can mix wintergreen oil and rubbing alcohol (but not the green rubbing alcohol, that's different) at a certain ratio (which I can look it up if you want to try it) and soak the rubber in it. It softens the rubber to like-new softness. Most importantly, is it doesn't bleed or "sweat" afterwards like brake fluid and it doesn't change the size either. I've seen it done with ROCK hard rubber and it turns it back to being soft.
@mrrgstuff3 жыл бұрын
Those records are a bit beat up, but the stylus has had little use so should be OK. Its just a cheap ceramic flip cartridge so won't be that great anyway. I have looked up Wintergteen as I know so.e people use it as cleaning fluid. Only thing I can find in the UK with that name though is essential oil, so not sure if I can get the right stuff here. Many of the common products used in North America aren't available in the UK, and its not always easy to work out the equivalent. It's good to know though that the rubber can be restored. Another trick I thought of trying was to use a neoprene washer. Thanks 👍😀
@tarstarkusz3 жыл бұрын
@@mrrgstuff You used to be able to get it in the drugstores, but now it is online only. You have to order it. It's like that with a lot of stuff now. I can't stand buying on the internet. I prefer to hand paper money (not a spy-card) to a person who then hands me what I want and can answer questions. So I get why you don't like having to do that either. I don't carry a cell phone either. But then, I'm a weirdo in that way. I have always loved technology and was an early adopter of internet. I bought my first computer when I was 12 years old (a Vic 20). But I'll be damned if having everything I do tracked is the price to pay for certain convenience.
@mrrgstuff3 жыл бұрын
To be honest, I do buy a fair bit online, but I do really love digging though stuff at car boot sales/flea markets and other places, especially where I might find old records. Not so much fun buying them online, and 78s are a bit too fragile to ship 😕😉😀
@jayclark55383 жыл бұрын
Man I've restored over 20 bsr decks... This is clever I must say
@mrrgstuff3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍😀. I also made one on a 3D printer, which was easier to do: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ic-IibOnqq_cfXk.html If I was going to make another one, I would put a brass bushing in as the plastic hole will wear on the shaft eventually.
@jayclark55383 жыл бұрын
That speed app is awsome
@mrrgstuff3 жыл бұрын
There are several similar ones. Some even do wow and flutter 😀
@gadgetmind2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the o-ring size is critical as whatever you lose/gain one one contact point, the other cancels out. I'm toying with 3D printing a new wheel (seems easier and more flexible than lathe) and either finding a suitable o-ring or 3D printing one out of TPU. Dunno if this would be grippy enough.
@mrrgstuff2 жыл бұрын
Yes, as its an idler wheel, the diameter isn't critical, though the clearances in the mechanism are designed for a certain sized wheel so it doesn't hurt to stick fairly closely to the original size. The thickness is pretty critical though. I did also try a 3D printed one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ic-IibOnqq_cfXk.html Thanks 😀 👍
@junpantilano1 Жыл бұрын
That's why I hate turntables using idler wheels instead of belts. Replacement idler wheel doesn't seem to exist and you end up disposing your turntable just because of that.
@mrrgstuff Жыл бұрын
Yes, replacements seem few and far between, though I know some people do rebuild them using the original hub. I did find an even simpler way to make one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ic-IibOnqq_cfXk.html For me, I can fix an idler wheel, but do need to order belts like I did in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZ6onrGJsZfGYGg.html (Which has a small belt, despite being direct drive) Thanks 😀 👍
@theantiquescollector21996 ай бұрын
yeah. idler wheels suck. i havent even seen one which had a correct speed.
@GrandadIsAnOldMan4 жыл бұрын
Another interesting project, plus that is an interesting App for the rotational speed 👍
@mrrgstuff4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😀 Yes, it's a great app, and as long as the weight of the phone doesn't slow down the deck, it's very effective. I'm thinking of doing a video where I compare different methods of checking the speed.👍😀
@granadass2 жыл бұрын
You know you can take these idler wheels and sand them down on the outside edge and glue a black rubber band around the upper Edge
@mrrgstuff2 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed. Thanks 😀 👍. I did try sanding it down a bit but it still slipped andat that point I though of using an o ring. Still working fine today, though it could probably do with a metal hub
@sofiavega52234 жыл бұрын
Nice...
@mrrgstuff4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😀👍
@luismanuelbujanlopez872210 ай бұрын
Do you sell the part you have made, I am repairing a Wharfedale W 30 record player and do I really need a part like that?
@mrrgstuff10 ай бұрын
I don't, but I see you have found my 3D printed version! Thanks 😀 👍
@66skate22 күн бұрын
Can't you just get one from Voice Of Music? BSR is a very common turntable. They should have them in stock.
@mrrgstuff21 күн бұрын
Yes, I could have bought one online, but that wouldn't have made a very interesting video. On a more serious note, within the gramophone community, there is quite a lot of reliance on buying spares or getting repairs from certain individuals, which is fine until they retire (or die 😮). Not so much of an issue for things like this, but I still like to make my own spares and repairs if I can. Thanks
@66skate21 күн бұрын
@@mrrgstuff I agree with you. I have a big Magnavox console going in for a recap and changer service. My repair guy is 86 and has been doing this stuff since 1957. If someone doesn't experiment, we're all gonna be SOL.
@mrrgstuff19 күн бұрын
Thanks 👍 😀
@LawnMowersThingsThatMakeNoise3 жыл бұрын
what app is that and where can i get it :-) p.s I think you may have a market for those idler wheels !!!!!!! Could i buy one please :-)
@mrrgstuff3 жыл бұрын
The app is 'RPM calculator' and it's free from Google Play. There are other free ones too. I'm surprised actually nobody is really making idler wheels, although currently mine are too much effort to make and be able to sell for a reasonable price, but it is an idea 🤔. Thanks 👍😀
@arnaldoalves1362 Жыл бұрын
Eu não colocaria a polia bambas
@mrrgstuff Жыл бұрын
If I was remaking it, I would fit a brass bushing to the centre to reduce any wobble. However it does work fine as it is
@yaboidustin24473 жыл бұрын
When the speed wasn't right for me I put the c clip back on and it went from 33 rpm to 33⅓. If you could somehow sand the middle down on that one it would work on the first one
@mrrgstuff3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I wonder why the thickness in the middle would make a different like that 🤔. Thanks 👍😀