That's good to hear

I did that. Moved to a VoIP provider and haven't looked back !!

Hi mate, hoping you could give some insight. I live in an Area that has open reach 70Mbps max. I really need a better connection so I'm thinking of getting a leased line. If my area has 70Mbps max, is a leased line possible? Would I have to pay for the road to be dug up and stuff or would that be included in the £300-£1,600 cost? There is a neighbourhood about half a mile from me that has full fibre, I am thinking about going around and knocking on doors and seeing if I can find someone to let me install a wifi mast to their house. I'd then have BT come to their house, install the connection and then beam it to my house using a Ubiquity air fiber 60LR. If I Asked BT (or that company you work for) to install the fibre to a certain location on the house, would that be possible? Like if I were to install a metal box on the side of their house to hold the BT stuff and a UPS, POE injector etc would they be able to run the fibre to the box so that I don't have to actually be inside of this persons house? These are the best methods I can think of, do you have any other ideas or advice? Sorry for the weird question lol :)

That’s actually incorrect. The smaller ones are for Nokia headends in the exchange. The larger ones are usually Huawei which are being phased out. Also new builds and retro builds are green/brown sites and always come with digital voice. The backup is not a requirement anymore, ofcom just states an alternative must be available, most people have mobile phones. If not, a battery backup can be provided at cost to the user or for free if there are welfare issues.

Wouldn’t all be big boxes ad alll phone lines will be digital now?

This isn't correct - I had my FTTP installed late 2018 using one of these bigger Huawei ONTs and my phone service was technically provided by copper until earlier this year (I say technically, I didn't have it connected to anything). When BT switched my service to digital voice, they sent instructions to plug a phone into their Router, not the ONT, though I'm sure the ONT would have worked as well. Ultimately the reason for different ONT's is down to the supplier BT decide to use (per George's comment, probably due to the exchange) but Huawei are being phased out anyway.

"Requirement for emergency reasons?" ... My new VoIP phone system DOESN'T have any power backup, and is unusable in a power cut! I don't believe there ARE any "requirements?" BBC "Rip Off Britain" covered this issue.

well it's not the case as you need a PPPOE and etc. i plugged in a laptop and had PPPOE broadband connection setup and well it works but in other computers it doesn't even connect and keeps reconnecting

So I could run that connection directly into my network and completely bypass the BT Hub?

They need to go back to the older box that had the phone connection. People having a fit having to use that shit, BT Router.

That's nice .For copper there are several outlets in the house I suppose... How did the engineer route it to a specific one?

@@ravib2372 oh, no he actually used the copper internet / phone line, that goes from outside to the house and then through the wall and then ends up as the plug socket for the ‘standard’ internet / phone, he took the plate off inside and out and then taped them together and pull it through from the inside to the outside, and put the new modem on the wall and then that little box then send the signal to the Hub..if that makes sense lol, so the original landline

you got lucky to get it with 300mbps upload !

@MovieCaveDave that sounds great so does that mean no Openreach box fitted to external wall? They have told me an external box will be fitted as part of FTTP install which i do not understand why if they are using same duct.

@@RogueSquadron80 But @MovieCaveDave has said he is getting 900+ download speeds so must be FTTP ?

No problem 👍

In my other BT videos, I do talk about moving to the wireless BT handsets and the copper being disconnected from my house. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrFkaaSf1JOxpaM.html I do see now that when you sign up to BT broadband, you can now choose whether you even want a phone line or not.

not quite but they leave a copper line but now if you order FTTP you have to connect to BT smart hub 2 for a phone over IP (VoIP services for no charge)

I am using the Smart Hub 2 router. The small ONT box is connected to the router by an RJ45/Ethernet cable.

They do exist, the same companies who make the ONT's in use by UK providers (this one is a Nokia) also make, as they typically call them - gateways. The problem is you'd lose some flexibility, or customers who want to use their own router would need to have both devices - just like Virgin does now. If you want to use your own wireless router, you need to put theirs in 'modem mode'. These ONT's can be used everywhere from small business to your average house. You might wonder how that's different to these 2 devices - they'd need to supply a router than supported this functionality or they'd have a lot of unhappy customers. The ONT is also much smaller. It would allow upgrades for the network, say to xPON and the customers continue to use their same router, just the ONT changes. It can be easier to troubleshoot too. Maybe we'll see more bespoke home offerings with all in one units become more popular but I personally wouldn't like to have to use their router, a small ONT on the wall and then run ethernet to my router works for me. There are people in the UK though who use much more complicated setups which involves using the serial number from the supplied ONT and applying it to your own SFP... Yeah that's how the network knows who you are.

Hi, If you mean the white small ONT wall box there was a part number on the power plug 901-00981-33 - hope that helps.

Copper is just for the phone now (although that's being changed to digital voice in Feb). The fibre is coming from the street straight into the house and into the router.

I suspect it will be very little! ... My Vodafone Wireless Router draws around 9 watts, and my Cordless Phone around 1 watt.

The Batterv Backup (BBU) is optional if you have FTTP. If you're a vulnerable person, it's something that apparently has to be offered to you. I have the Fibre900 service, performance can be a little hit and miss in all honesty. The challenge is, GPON has an overall downstream throughput capability of a little under 2.5Gbps, and an upstream of around 1.25Gbps. The optical split ratio they use is 1:32. They tend not to connect more than 30 customers to a single PON, so if everyone did a speed test at the same time, you'd all get a little over 83 Megabits downstream (in theory). The only way you'll not get any form of contention is if you had a leased line, but then it's also very expensive. The truth is though; everyone putting heavy demands on their connections at the same time is very unlikely, so unlikely it almost never happens. One of my customers is using XGSPON which is capable of 10Gigabits bi-directionally per PON. When new games releases land is when they tend to see the hightest bandwidth use on their network. In their Henley on Thames patch, the network peaked at 12.2Gigabits of downstream throughput...and that's among around 1000 customers. Even though many of us now have access to connections approaching or even exceeding 1Gigabit, the reality is most of us don't even get close to using it. The average use per subscriber on a FTTP network is still to this day only a few megabits.

Most people have cordless phones so if the power goes so does the cordless base, so can’t make calls.

@@pppscooby If you're a vulnerable person I'm told the provider has to offer you a workable solution. I suspect that would be a UPS for the ONT, and a basic corded phone. For the most part, power outages are rare, but they always seem to happen when someone is in a dilemma.

well Tt full-fibre 900 and speeds actually are sometimes over 900mbps so at so i get around 950mbps 24/7 directly to a even newer openreach ONT and i asked for a 4 port to connect to a PC and a BT SH2 (Smart Hub 2) so i get 0.75ms of latency to BT and around 0.85 to google server (pinging via CMD on windows 10) and i missed a 300mbps upload deal by a 2 whole days so now upload is around 130-140mbps

I bought a 650VA UPS. It powered my Wireless Router and Cordless Phone (a 10 watt load in total) for 2 hours and 50 minutes.

I'm glad it helped. Yes, they need fibre from the street, so they will probably replace it all.

@@daniel_coe probably be a while before it's available so I'll have to think of a way to feed it through the existing layout. Might be lucky if the new cable flexible 🤣

That's typical sky for you.

I believe it's 2, one for the ont box and one for the router.

(The white plug is next to the black plug above your new box). Goes into the new box next to the red lead. I Don't know the names of all the leads and struggling to find them out. Thanks again.

From left to right: Power, WAN, Fibre.

Only if you wish to move it where the fibre will reach. If not you will need to extend the fibre. It looks like it uses an LC connector.

Technically you could move it, but I'd leave it where it is. Singlemode optics are a lot less tolerant of dirt ingress, expecially where optical power levels are high. Unless you have the right tools to do the job properly, I'd leave it alone.

@@scottsmith2173 no its SC connector

At a guess I would say about 8cm squared. No more than 10cm squared.

I suppose you could run ethernet cable from the ONT white wall box to the main house or have the router in an external garage and run ethernet cable from that into a switch or boost the wifi signal to the house.

I believe you can just plug the ethernet (PON) from the ONT directly into the mesh. Why not try it and see what happens?

no you need BT Smart hub 2 because it haves PPPOE and etc so ir can comunicate on ONT and give you internet

Hi, we have a block weave drive. The pipe is already underground and it carries the current twisted pair copper cables, so they just run it from the street.

@@daniel_coe many thanks for that buddy, mine exsisting line comes in from my neighbours driveway so guess it'll come across that way, thanks for taking the time to answer

I can't say for sure, as I didn't watch him all the time. I am sure he was aware of the gas pipes entering the house, not sure about the electrics though.

It seems to to be held on by a single screw in the back. Like it's slid onto a screw head, quite solid, but I didn''t want to move it too much as there is little play/slack on the fibre cable.

@@daniel_coe thanks mate

I don't think it can be connected to copper wires. The installation was free when I signed up to BT Fibre

Definitely worth it. Although prices have gone up again this year. When the contract finishes in April 2023 I shall shop around as now vodafone and talktalk offer full fibre. I don't think the Internet was down at all as I was on vodafone still on the copper when the fibre got put in. There was an overlap. I think bt even paid to help me leave vodafone.

@@daniel_coe Great. just got a new contract with BT and getting it in place in a week or so . was worried about any down time. - Thanks for reply I'll see ho wlong it will take engineer to fit it in.

I'd probably ask BT.

I believe BT need to run cables down all of the street. Unless of course you can get Virgin cable. I didn't pay for installation as BT did it with Openreach. Don't know if you would have to pay to get installation with another company like Vodafone or TalkTalk. All I did was kept checking Vodafone, BT and TalkTalk websites by entering my postcode and seeing when FTTP / Full Fibre was available.

Yes, if you take on full fibre. I don't remember paying for install.

That's a shame, I did have problems with my old crackly copper phone line a lot and that took several Openreach and bt visits to get sorted but since that has now been removed and I'm full fibre I've had no issues at all.

Yes, they took the cable through the internal garage then back into the hallway

Surely it must go off if there is a power cut. I have shut down all electrics to my house for the EV Charger install, and I have not had a problem when it came back on.

Thank you so much for your reply. I turn it off when I’m not using the internet and have no problems when I turn it back on again. Thank you!

It could just be down at the BT end. Just give them a call they usually answer really quickly. It might also be worth just turning it off and on again at the plug.

I think you can use your own router, not tried, though

Well, there's only the grey box that takes the cables into the house on the wall, and that doesn't do much unless you want me to do a video on the green cabinet on the street? I don't have anything else.

Yes, so it came through the same pvc pipework that carried the copper line. So luckily, none of the block weave drive needed to be disturbed.

No. You would need a very specific type of SFP. Even then, there are no guarantees it would work. The ONT is activated by it's serial number and assigned to the subscriber. Unlike with ADSL/VDSL, you cannot just plug in any ONT. The Nokia ONT cannot be powered by PoE, neither can the Huawei or ADTRAN ONTs that are used.

@@johnmcquay82 ahh, - that unit will be very fussy about what is plugged in as an SFP for SURE! bummer about these adaptors not being PoE ready - is the fiber MM or SM ???

@@ANTHONYBOOTH Absolutely. Frankly, a lot of vendors are fussy where pluggable interfaces are concerned. A lot of people think it's because companies want you to buy only their pluggables...which is partly true. The biggest reason is; they can only guarantee performance on kit they have tested with. You can buy optics on Amazon and eBay that are guaranteed compatible with certain network equipment manufacturers, but the onus is on them to sort any problems if you have them. The fibre for PON is all SM these days. Virgin Media's way of doing fibre to the premises is very different and pretty interesting; they're doing something called RFOG (RF over Glass).

really doubt it. it's a PON which means it uses time slots for each customer, and AES encryption. regular SFP isn't gonna support PONs. Ubiquiti do make a GPON SFP though. Might work?

@@silverismoney my objective is to make all my internal cabling Fiber (eventually) ...with only short runs of copper cable as needed (IP fones etc etc)... just got a BT connection - they sent me a smathub 2, - it does not appear to support 172.16.16.0/20 as a network (only 172.16.16.0/16 ...fortunately myold router can be set up to use a lan port as wan... I got that disky thing to work = might manage to make my entire phone system electrically isolated from the outside fone cables...

I told Openreach to piss off when they told me they were coming round to instal this fibre nonsense for exactly that reason. My internet is fast enough for me as it is. I don't need engineers wrecking my house.

I'm in a similar situation!

Depending where you stay the fibre cable may be ran from a pole or underground. Doesn't really matter its not noticeable. It's a single cable that will enter through your wall, a small box will be installed inside as seen in video called the ONT. They usually do a nice neat installation and it may be possible to tell them to install the ONT on the specific level you want of your house. By coverage I assume you mean wifi signal? Well the router any isp provides is garbage. If you want good WiFi coverage it's probably good to invest in a mesh wifi setup or a good router+modem . I run 2 modems on my network for optimal coverage and most of our devices are connected by lan. switch to fibre for the reliability and consistency

But the router doesn't, that's why they stopped wasting money on it

Yes now when you want battery backup it seems they send 2 gigantic and heavy boxes one for the open reach modem and one for the hub, I put mine away with the spare hub, they are too big to fit anywhere!

@@mrmalavey1098 No, the battery backup was for the Openreach Fibre Voice service. As FV has now been ceased there is not requirement for a battery backup. A backup for any digital voice sevice will now be supplied by the ISP not Openreach.

@@aluncox4105 handy to know, I don't really keep up with all this stuff, got my full fibre now so am happy 🤣

It's just a normal Ethernet cable coming out of the BT box that goes into the WAN port on the BT Smart Hub. So I would guess as long as your router can handle FTTP via an Ethernet port. Then no problems.

That WAN port on the BT Router is really one of the standard 4 LAN ports. So you only get 3 to use!

@@daniel_coe That's good to know for the future, thanks for the reply.

Nice unobtrusive Openreach cable clipping there.....🤔

I was searching for this info too. Apparently you need to configure third party router via PPPoE

What is your landline situation? I was planning on doing the same and told BT I didn't want the digital phones (because they wouldn't work with any other router) but they've went ahead and did it anyway and now my copper landline is deactivated. Also curious to know if you have BT TV or something and set up IPTV okay on the Asus router, I was even planning on getting an Asus one myself for the QOS settings.

@@AdamH7 I didn't take a BT landline. I used a VoIP provider and ported my landline to that. Much cheaper that way, and a better service.

Use power line adapters.. Easier and avoid running a new cable easy

@@parvezahmedjalil7310 its easier, although slower.

@@parvezahmedjalil7310 too much interference at times.

Most engineers will install the ONT in an upstairs room. Cat 6e is good for 100mts. So yes to both questions.

He has a separate phone line.

@@jinxterx yes but this will be shut so due fttp in every home the plan is to turn off these areas 2025 onwards

@@ram64man yup, that's the plan, but whether it ever happens or not is another story, lol :)

Just purchase BT Full Fibre

@@daniel_coe but don’t you have to already have that installed to purchase that when I go on BT’s website it just shows the speed I can get through the telephone wire

@@charlielowe1519 it should tell you if you can get Full Fibre in your area. Not all areas have it yet. www.bt.com/products/broadband/full-fibre-learn

Can it be connected to copper wires then to my house and if so how much does it cost to install the fibre optic wires

Why? Its usually there to power phone for a few hours for emergency when power is out, but he's on copper still. Why would this be a dealbreaker for a non-business contract?

I believe they only supply battery back-up if your voice is on fibre too.

I'm now on 500mb in my 3rd year. I have just renewed. The speed is very good and I get 500mb. But very rarely do I see that speed when downloading anything as the other end can't handle it. I see 50mb a second when downloading nvidia updates.

I agree. Now if they flew the plane remotely, that would be something.

I’ve got this and I payed for 150 and get 150 ;)

getting this installed today

@@g-force814 nice. Let me know how it goes ;)

Paid for Fibre 100 and got 150. Now upgraded to Fibre 300 - for £5 a month extra, now get 300.

Can’t wait for mine to be installed!

Brilliant. Between 0-15

@@itz__windy_7817 thats odd. I’m on the old package 67mb. And I’m always on 5-6ms on speedtest. I’m due to have mine installed tomorrow.

@@zGratchBenchmarks ah. On the Speedtest app it is always 3ms . It’s 0-15 when im gaming with friends. My bad

About 6ms for me.

I'm stuck on FTTC, and mine is around 22.

And they don't use the battery backups anymore and that's a downside

BT will not tell me how much it costs as I have no line. I

At the time, I thought it was free, as I was paying for a 24-month contract, so they must have thought they would get the money back over time.

That might have been me, may be an old screw for hanging some sort of electrical item on the wall.

Wosson pard? If you don't exist, do BT still send you a bill? I live in a small village too. It's frustrating. We seem to have been forgotten.

True about 999. Didn't know you had to add an std code in front of the number you are dialling, probably because I've never used it to dial out.

well you don't use a phone line at all because now all bt phones are VoIP if you have FTTP

@@kaimekaimietis not everyone Is on FTTP most people are still on FTTC but even if you was on fiber to the Property you arnt wedded to BT you gust put your Post code into a comparison site to find the best Deal!

It is full fibre.

I agree. I think BT is a good company but I think the costs are just too high. I may move to Vodafone next year when my contract ends with BT unless they offer a comparable deal