Buchardt P300 vs S400 MK2 Bookshelf Speaker Review. Even more bass?

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Nemo Propaganda

Nemo Propaganda

Жыл бұрын

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Buchardt P300: buchardtaudio.com/collections...
Test Equipment:
Preamp & Power Amplifiers:
Kinki Studio EX-P7: www.kinki-studio.com/ex-p7
Kinki Studio EX-B7 mono blocks: www.kinki-studio.com/ex-b7
Hegel H190: www.hegel.com/en/products/int...
Emotiva TA2: emotiva.com/collections/pre-a...
Galion TS120 SE: www.galion-audio.com/collecti...
Source: Bluesound Node 2i
www.crutchfield.com/p_813NODE...
(all music is hi-res streamed from Tidal)
DAC: Denafrips Ares II or Venus2
www.vinshineaudio.com/product...
Speaker & Power Cables: Maze Audio Ref4
www.mazeaudio.com/speaker-cabl...
(rest in peace Kent)
Interconnect Cables:
Analysis Plus Oval One RCA
Oyaide Tunami Terzo XX V2 XLR
analysis.plus/product/oval-on...
Your results may vary based on your ears, room, and associated equipment.

Пікірлер: 104
@Reluctantaudiophile
@Reluctantaudiophile Жыл бұрын
That was a great review and comparison. Having both pairs actually in the room adds an air of relevance that most reviewers don’t have. You’ve really helped me decide that the S400’s are the way for me to go so thanks for that as you’ve saved me a shitload of time and hassle. Cheers!
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
excellent choice! I think most people should go for the S400 MK2 if they have the budget for it.
@mmancari
@mmancari Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your straightforward approach and review. Your point about equipment is spot on. No sense in getting a super high end speaker without the amplifier to bring out the detail.
@bobslave7063
@bobslave7063 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing great reviews. Like that comparisons, they really help!
@Simon_Hawkshaw
@Simon_Hawkshaw 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your time and effort to share this with us all. Much appreciated. I must just say the blue is what I like.
@TrainSuplexer
@TrainSuplexer Жыл бұрын
Words cannot describe how elated I am to see speakers with a green finish. My finger was on the trigger for the ProJect Speakerbox 5 S2 until your video popped up. Thank you for sharing this lovely pair of emeralds.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
yeah the green really is a great color!
@felipencl
@felipencl Жыл бұрын
Awesome review, thanks! Also I’m pumped to hear that the UBR62s are in the pipeline. I own those speakers and like them a lot. I used to run them with a Loxjie A30 and now I use a Roksan Attessa, which improved bass, sense of depth and overall weight. I have great interest in knowing how the Elacs fare against some contenders, specially the S400 MKII.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
I'll make sure to do a comparison, so far I can tell you UBR62's bass cannot compete with S400 MK2 bass. I'm still assessing midrange/treble :)
@edmundgil6008
@edmundgil6008 Жыл бұрын
Solid bro! I was wondering if you were going to get these. Thank you again! 🙏🏽💪🏽🎶🔥🥊🎵‼️
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@edmundgil6008
@edmundgil6008 Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda BTW… I dig the blue. I know, I know, my color taste is boring! 💙
@keepingupwiththejones2933
@keepingupwiththejones2933 Жыл бұрын
That yellow is certainly a statement piece 💛 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@ryangonyer9498
@ryangonyer9498 Жыл бұрын
The peach definitely catches my eye!
@foldspacenavigator6011
@foldspacenavigator6011 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the discerning and detailed breakdown. Dig the yellow & blue and a savvy aesthetics and commercial move by Buchardt. Looks like the gateway drug to the their sound and can see them with a good integrated amp and minus a sub for a minimalist or secondary system. Like many have found, the S400mk2’s can do justice to just about any genre or type of recording and for long use periods. Despite the differences, seems like these would still do the same at smaller scale. Paired my mk2’s with 200W and a REL T5x sub via your good recommendation. Kicks ass. Thank you!
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
excellent choices!
@golan2473
@golan2473 Жыл бұрын
Pretty accurate review Nemo. I have them in my setup for a bit more than 3 weeks. Few notes: They do open up after 2 weeks of active listening, and I was a bit suspicious on their recommendation of 100 hours of burn-in. Placement can be a problem, as u said, but I am using their amp, Buchartd i150 with room correction,that solves the tons-of-bass if close to the wall problem perfectly. So, If you happen to got any room correction, this is not an issue. Very happy with them overall, listening fatigue simply does not exist, they have full sound, genre neutral, with great presentation and excellent bass. They like to be played loud, without any distorsion or effects on the sound quality. Cheers
@NosEL34
@NosEL34 Жыл бұрын
👍
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
I know, I break in all speakers before review for 100 hours. Yes tone control and room correction can change things but I cannot review a product based on that as not everyone has access to such functions and those who do will already know what they can and cannot change :)
@sdrtcacgnrjrc
@sdrtcacgnrjrc Жыл бұрын
I like the way they have one price for everyone, including delivery anywhere. (Also, with many mid and hi fi companies, their stuff almost impossible to find.)
@andreemilsen369
@andreemilsen369 Жыл бұрын
Would like the green one...14 of them for my cinema🙊
@eltonc1505
@eltonc1505 Жыл бұрын
Thanks nemo for a super cool review. Ur the best. One question regarding placement, when u say front baffel, u mean the baffel on which the drivers are mounted rite, or do u mean the baffel on which the binding post are mounted ?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
front baffle where the drivers are located.
@TheWesman45
@TheWesman45 2 ай бұрын
I went with the p300 and ps audio sprout 100. I use them on a desk. I had to eq a bit of bass out, but it sounds fantastic.
@dancarnesciali3437
@dancarnesciali3437 Жыл бұрын
Like the blue the most for sure
@lsaideOK
@lsaideOK Жыл бұрын
I am liking the blue
@milagroscaviglia5034
@milagroscaviglia5034 Жыл бұрын
Hi,great review, a lot of information!!!how do you think it compares with the Dynaudio Evoke 10????mainly in Sound Signature??thanks and cheers
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
I have not heard the evoke 10.
@wheelbasemedia5814
@wheelbasemedia5814 Жыл бұрын
I agree on the yellow. Sign me up.
@paulwisconsin456
@paulwisconsin456 Жыл бұрын
I like the Blue P300. Agree 400 MKII is killer
@blainemyers6780
@blainemyers6780 7 ай бұрын
Another great review. I really want to order these, but your comments about space from back wall gives me pause. Do you think these can play ok closer to the wall IF in an open concept space, with a subwoofer and room correction?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 7 ай бұрын
hard to say, room correction can do wonders in certain situations but I can't really guess what the outcome would be.
@Moonloop76
@Moonloop76 Жыл бұрын
Nice review! It seems that this p300 sounds more similar to the original s400, what do you think, Nemo? Thanks
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
In some ways yes but original S400 is still a little better overall.
@fungt89
@fungt89 Жыл бұрын
The colours are so stunning. Green or yellow is my pick. Similar pricing to second hand s400ii. But the colours push the waf higher
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
really? I figured white would be the best option for waf.
@Adbyte-vu4io
@Adbyte-vu4io Жыл бұрын
Great review!! Wondering how this p300 will sound with an entry level class D amp like the Bluesound Powernode??
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
As long as it has plenty of power it should be okay. These speakers need power & volume to really sound their best. Lower volume listeners will want to go for the S400 MK2 which has a much wider sweet spot.
@Jeipr
@Jeipr Жыл бұрын
As always great review!!. Nemo as a owner of a Ta2. Do you believe that with the base management taming the bassfrecuency at least @ 80 Hz and with at least 30 inches from the wall these can run better in a small run??. Room size is similar to yours but 8 foot cielings!
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
Yes! 80hz might even be too high, with the highpass set to 40hz on the TA2 the P300 bass still extended very low but it was much more manageable with room placement :).
@Jeipr
@Jeipr Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda i forgot that i have a subwoofer. Is a cheap Kanto 8 inch !! . Si lets say cross at 60 hz. ThNksss!. Evaluatin for nice rel T/5x for christmas!!
@yaniv-nos-tubes
@yaniv-nos-tubes Жыл бұрын
hi, i recently ordered the mk 2 se based on reviews since you can't demo them, yours was very helpful any thoughts on the mk 2 se?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
excellent choice! I have not heard the MK2 SE but I believe the biggest difference is the finish.
@TheCharlesAtoz
@TheCharlesAtoz Жыл бұрын
I don't buy into the idea that the speakers need to be the most expensive part of your system-- there is a lot to consider when putting a rig together in your listening space. Some space related, some sound and some budget considerations. Good review.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
agree, I think amplification is far more important personally. Great electronics will make even okay speakers sound fantastic.
@MadLadsAnonymous
@MadLadsAnonymous 10 күн бұрын
Been eyeing the S400 mkII but just curious if that 4 Ohms & 87 dB sensitivity means they won't do well for low-volume listening?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 10 күн бұрын
S400 MK2 is my fav speaker, it's not a low volume champion though. It still sounds good at low volumes but rewards you with better sound when you play it louder.
@Slickman2006
@Slickman2006 Жыл бұрын
Nemo are you in the early access program to receive an RSL 12S? I was accepted into the program and ordered mine but it hasn't shipped yet.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
that thing might be a little too big for me bro.
@Slickman2006
@Slickman2006 Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda I forgot you don't like big heavy subs. If the 10S is any indication I think the 12S will sound excellent and should be good for movies and music.
@meho9668
@meho9668 4 ай бұрын
I dont like yellow color but these look fantastic. With white stands i think would be great.
@mrmessyjesse
@mrmessyjesse Жыл бұрын
I had to make a call between the p300 and s400 mk2… and went with the s400 mk2 Fauna SE model… hoping it pairs well with my peach tree Gan1. With your amps used do you feel like the Buchardt products pair well with class D amps? The Gan1 right now is paired with Lii Audio open baffle 15’s and the detail is amazing but there is now low end. The bass is detailed that is there, but it doesn’t go deep enough for the music we listen too.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
Excellent choice, S400 MK2 is not a very fussy speaker and should pair well with a wide variety of amplififers. Buchardts own amp is Class D so I think it will be fine :)
@mrmessyjesse
@mrmessyjesse Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda Speakers just arrived today and consider me impressed. The GAN1 with the Lii Audio 15’s (a wonderful speaker by the way, makes me want to try a lower powered tube amp) could get fatiguing even at lower listening levels (bedroom system and not a huge room). We have a much fuller sound that is detailed and warm.
@larryeckerdt9750
@larryeckerdt9750 11 ай бұрын
Have you come across the Zu DWX? That’s my coin flip in this comfortable price range. I use a Nakamichi receiver as a pre-amp, and an Acurus A200 for power.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 11 ай бұрын
only at a trade show, there is a substantial difference in size and sound. The DWX is very large and more midraing centric.
@terenceyow
@terenceyow Жыл бұрын
You’re definitely one of my top 10 hifi reviewer. Are the P300s good for off axis listening?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
Thank you bro! I would say no, off axis they became very dark in my room, S400 MK2 was much more consistent off axis.
@terenceyow
@terenceyow Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda Ok got it thanks. Makes sense seeing that you have to toe them in so much to get the right sound. Keep up the great work bro. Your style is unique, honest and refreshing.
@WWeiss-nv5vz
@WWeiss-nv5vz Жыл бұрын
Have you ever heard Golden Ear bookshelf speakers? I have a pair of Aon 3's that I pair with a SVS SB3000. They also have a newer more expensive model called the BRX. . When you say these speakers go strong down to 30Hz, and the SVS 3000 Micro you reviewed rolls off under 35dB, does that mean the P500 have better bass performance than the SVS and the Micro wouldn't enhance this speaker"?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
No I don't really like golden ear as a brand so I stay away. No, so bass from a speaker and bass from a subwoofer are very different. As far as the micro with P300 its hard to say as I did not use the two togehter (micro has been sent bask as it was a review sample) but bass from a subwoofer is different than bass from small speakers and the room is a big factor too. My room is very friendly with bass, I would not expect everyone to have strong bass down to almost 30hz in their room with a pair of bookshelf speakers.
@WWeiss-nv5vz
@WWeiss-nv5vz Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda That explains it, I was surprised when you said on one of your videos or comments that recently you don't even use a subwoofer. What after all those subwoofer reviews and purchases?? I can't imagine your KEF KC62 sitting idle or upstairs with your secondary system, while playing even the best bookshelf speakers in your critical listening room! Agree, the room is the one factor that can't be compared with others when comparing systems.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
@@WWeiss-nv5vz I don't recall ever saying that, I think you misunderstood something.
@WWeiss-nv5vz
@WWeiss-nv5vz Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda My ears deceive me? I'll go back and watch the last couple of videos which were mainly about the Buchardt S400 MKII.
@Brett1334
@Brett1334 Жыл бұрын
I have the OG s400 and I wondered how these would compare, I’m assuming they’re pretty similar though by the sounds of it.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
in overall voicing yes but the original S400 has a higher performance ceiling still. I would rather have the OG S400 if I were you so keep what you have brother!
@davidsmithson9236
@davidsmithson9236 Жыл бұрын
What is a good stand height for these, what with the tweeter on the bottom. Thanks
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
if you can get your ears between the two drivers that would be ideal.
@aaronkingi545
@aaronkingi545 6 ай бұрын
Seeking informed opinions. Should I get the Buchardt p300 or criton tdx1? Cost is roughly the same to NZ, when adding on taxes and shipping for the Tdx1.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 6 ай бұрын
same price for a completed set or you still have to build it? Either way both speakers are hard to drive and need proper amplification, assuming you have that I feel the 1TDX is a little better than the P300. Both speakers have really good & strong bass and warm midrange but the 1TDX treble is a little more effortless to my ears but they are very similar sound. Hope that helps.
@aaronkingi545
@aaronkingi545 6 ай бұрын
@NemoPropaganda Hay thanks for your reply and opinion. Much appreciated. Thanks. And that would be a flat pack(Birch wood) standard crossover tdx1 kitset, the Nz$ is low, our import taxes are high, and so are shipping costs from the US. Where Buchardt cover all those costs, both end up at about $2500NZD. Reviewers seem to love both, speakers and for the same reasons, I think you have said there is more play In The critons top end given better amplification. I may wait and see what CSS are going to do with the Buchardt similar Wave guide tweeter they have been teasing us with. Thanks for your valued opinion, again. Ps. Currently have A Billie mk2(heaven11),.hence need a bass leaning speaker, May change to a Atoll IN200 amp as it would solve my need for yet more speakers🤗 Good luck to you in the coming new year!
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 6 ай бұрын
@@aaronkingi545 Billi amp should have plenty of power for either speaker, as long as you don't mind bulding them the CSS 1TDX is the better speaker overall, this is a situation where going DIY really does get you more for your money.
@aaronkingi545
@aaronkingi545 6 ай бұрын
@NemoPropaganda Thanks Dude!
@engineer4862
@engineer4862 6 ай бұрын
I wonder how they perform compared to Monitor Audio Silver 100 7G and Focal Aria 906?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 6 ай бұрын
I don't know about MA Silver but the Aria 906 is the total opposite sound, more analytical & detail focused overall with lighter bass.
@hastaaquimasno6159
@hastaaquimasno6159 5 ай бұрын
Which Bluetooth amplifier can you recommend for the Buchardt P300?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 5 ай бұрын
hard to suggest without a budget but emotiva TA1 or TA2 are great options.
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh Жыл бұрын
I have the ubr62 and am happy with them. I have to buy a subwoofer to improve the bass performance on more bass demanding content, but really happy with them otherwise. The p300 are a lot more expensive though, not sure it's a fair fight. One that I'd really like to have your opinion on is the new kef r3 meta.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
$200 difference between UBR62 and P300, that's very similar isn't it? I will try to review KEF R3 :)
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda if that's the case yeah. I bought the ubr62 for 650 euros new, while the p300 are 1400. So you get where i'm coming from... :)
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
@@JoseFerreira-zb7wh oh man, that's another brand that is much cheaper in EU then, I didn't know that. Here in the US the UBR62 are $1200 :(
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda I actually got a good deal on them but still they are marked 850. I think Elac is originally a german brand but i red somewhere they were now part of klipsch's group and i thought it was an american group. Strange. Still, assuming both brands are european and i live in europe, the p300 is around double the price. But I understand you're in the US and most of your audience is american so you have to work with what you've got. :) Waiting for your opinion on the new r3 meta though. Keep up the good work!
@HPPG2017
@HPPG2017 Жыл бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Kef R3 meta review in the future?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
I will try :)
@luctiemessen9897
@luctiemessen9897 Ай бұрын
You talk about when the distance from the wall is too small it’s bass is overpowering. What do you mean by this? Is this comparable to what JBL or Beats headphones do with the sound? Is it thát bad? Or is it “bad” from a purist hifi perspective where the extra bass might be something that is to someones liking?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Ай бұрын
great question, the overloaded bass certainly could be something some people prefer but it can close off the midrange & treble a bit so from an audiophile perspective most people would not prefer the bass to overload the room.
@luctiemessen9897
@luctiemessen9897 Ай бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for your reply. Highly appreciated!
@nazerps5953
@nazerps5953 Жыл бұрын
What is the price for this And can I connect it to the TV set
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
price is shown in the video, link to website is shown in the description. You can connect any pair of speakers to any TV as long as you have an amp inbetween.
@oluhamilton2121
@oluhamilton2121 Жыл бұрын
How does this stack up against the s300?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
I never heard the S300, I believe its being discontinued so I probably won't check it out.
@nazerps5953
@nazerps5953 Жыл бұрын
How can I get this if I order from you sir
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
I'm not selling anytyhing.
@iKaBoZ820
@iKaBoZ820 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for a great review! I'm deciding between the P300 and the S400mk2 so I need an advice from you. Now I've heard that the P300 is better for smaller rooms and the S400Mk2 outshines it only in larger rooms (is it true?) I have an AV receiver: Yamaha RX-V471 I intend to pair it with, it can't be compared to the fancy amps you mentioned so I don't think your point of the 1500$+ Amps counts as I don't intend to spend that much on a new amp (at least for now, hopefully hehe) So my room size: 12.2 * 15.5 ft Speaker Distance from listening position = 8 ft Distance between speaker and wall behind it = 2ft I can bring them closer to me, increasing the distance from wall to 2.5 ft, and decreasing listening distance to 7.5 ft Distance between the right speaker and a side-wall = 2.5 ft, can be increased to: 3ft *Preference:* - Music listening(24 bit HQ or spotify): Neutral sound (lol), good bass, clean mids, and clear sounds (don't mind if it's a teeny tiny bit on the bright side but no glare). Not interested in very high volumes as my room is small. One thing I heard in your review that could be a deal breaker for me is that they are not bright enough, and not that crisp/clear in the treble department, as I like clear. Budget wise, I can go up to the S400 but if there are not enough reasons for me to do it, I prefer to stick with the cheaper P300. I also like that the P300 has deeper bass, removing the need for a subwoofer. So I'm a bit lost here, based on all this info, could you give me an advise on which one I should go for? Or neither won't be such a good match with my situation and preference?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 9 ай бұрын
Hi kabo, I love buchardt but buchardt is not a good match with AVR style amps and it sounds like you want a more open and effortless sound. You need a speaker that is open, airy, and easy to drive yet still has nice strong bass. For you that speaker is the Heco Celan Revolution 3! That will be a much better pairing with your current gear and more suited to your taste based on what you've said.
@iKaBoZ820
@iKaBoZ820 9 ай бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda thanks Nemo for the quick response and advise! This looks like a great match, but unfortunately where I live currently it’s not possible, the only options I have are: Klipsch the nines Or Something from the companies that ship internationally everywhere, i know only 2: Buchardt and philharmonic Do you know any others? What do you think?
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 9 ай бұрын
@@iKaBoZ820 it's not sold on amazon in your region?
@iKaBoZ820
@iKaBoZ820 9 ай бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda nope i just relocated to Saudi Arabia for work, and hi fi speakers are very few here even on amazon sa. That’s why I was looking for international stores.
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 9 ай бұрын
@@iKaBoZ820 okay no problem, so this is my suggestion then, go for the S400 MK2 and hopefully you can upgrade the amp in the future.
@hastaaquimasno6159
@hastaaquimasno6159 5 ай бұрын
I preferred the Boba Fett Color Military Green Color this is the way
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda 5 ай бұрын
that's def the most tactical color!
@-MarkWinston-
@-MarkWinston- Жыл бұрын
Nemo ma man! Another great review! A heads up, you should try to get your hands on the new affordable range from Focal, the Theva and Vestia series and compare it to the Chora and Aria. Spoiler alert, I like how the Vestia sound better than my Arias. :)
@NemoPropaganda
@NemoPropaganda Жыл бұрын
I will not, I'm finished with Focal products unless they will provide a review sample. I have spent $6k of my own money aquiring focal products for review already but they only send samples to big channels.
@-MarkWinston-
@-MarkWinston- Жыл бұрын
@@NemoPropaganda thats a damn shame but I understand.
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