Thanks for the video. I will keep my Vietnam Era USMC Ka-Bar that I bought, in the PX, 50 years ago. It has been with me in over a dozen different countries & never failed me.
@kanukkarhu9 ай бұрын
I think Buck's famous 420 is one of the knife worlds most popular myths. I feel it is at least partly because the historical popularity of the 110 and early Buck marketing. They are, I think, riding on an outdated reputation. It's similar to Benchmade's so-called 'butterfly tax' - Benchmades are worth all the extra money you pay for them, right? "Ooo... It's a Benchmade!" I enjoy it when people question prevailing opinions.
@peterbiltknifeguy9 ай бұрын
I couldn’t agree more.
@anthonyrollins98259 ай бұрын
Gordon I do believe uses 7cr17mov which is harder and has better edge retention than 420hc ... even with Bucks legendary "boss heat treatment" 7cr17mov closest equivilant is 440a minus the added vanadium for 7cr17mov.
@RJ-vb7gh7 ай бұрын
According to Zknives 7cr17mov is an alias for 7cr17 which doesn't actually have any vanadium. While not exactly 440a, it's pretty darn close. So it should be pretty rust resistant with meh edge retention. As to 420HC, it's a really low end steel, but like any steel if properly heat treated it can punch above it's weight class. Basically, it's pretty tough stuff, which minimizes warranty claims. To be fair, the Buck reputation has always had a lot to do with the branding. I honestly suspect that most of the legendary 119's never spent much time in the actual woods. Back in the day, and I'm old enough to remember, most of the old timers carried well worn carbon steel knives into the woods. They might have owned a Buck, but that's not what they used to beat on and prepare game, mostly for fear of losing or breaking it. I for example had some nice Case knives. but for the most part I carried a PAL RH 36 that survived WW2 and still sometimes use it to open dented cans that my can opener has trouble with.
@NorthStarKnifeReviews6 ай бұрын
@@RJ-vb7ghyep. No vanadium, which makes the “V” misleading.
@777Nesher2 ай бұрын
You are correct
@ChrisvilleUSA9 ай бұрын
Excellent showdown. I dont own the 119 because i wont pay more than $50 for one The Gordon sheath is worth $20
@peterbiltknifeguy9 ай бұрын
I still can’t believe the clone did that good
@LXT434 ай бұрын
@@peterbiltknifeguy it doesn't make it a better knife overall. There's a pride in owning a Buck. Do you have pride owning a clone? Do you feel better giving your money to Chinese worker or American worker? What goes around comes around!
@perfidious3332 ай бұрын
@@LXT43cry about it. Oh wait, you already did.
@James-ke5sx7 ай бұрын
The Chinese have been making knives for 10,000 years. We get the cheap stuff and they keep the good stuff for themselves. 25 years ago I bought a chinese-made butcher knife, cleaver and a honing steel at a Chinese butcher shop in Chinatown here in Canada. Up until this day this knife is still razor sharp, I use it everyday and it's only been honed on the steel that I bought on the same day. Even the original grind is still barely visible after 25 years, No Lie. If you buy a Chinese made knife with English writing that is what they sell to us but if it's written in Chinese that's the stuff they keep for themselves.
@patriotichunter64347 ай бұрын
I bought Japanese forged hunting knife and a balanced samurai sword in Japan and they are best steel I own today which is impressive with my collection. Japanese ar the real forging masters. I do have a Toledo steel dagger I bought in 1991 in Spain that had hold its own though
@Nothingtoya5 ай бұрын
What Buck has managed to do is get everything they could out of 420, that doesn't mean it's a good steel. I personally love the heritage knives like the 110, 112, 119, and 500. I'm with you, I'd like to see them upgrade the steel, especially since these knives keep creeping towards $100.
@CobraKaiNoMercy5 ай бұрын
Very well said!
@StonrMoose695 ай бұрын
They have one out now in D2 but it's $200 soooo they need to pull their heads out of their asses and make the 420 ones cheaper
@LXT434 ай бұрын
420HC is a good steel. What's exactly wrong with it? I think you miss the point of these knives and that is that they're hunting knives. If you're a hunter, you don't want a steel that is too hard and chips easily and it's a bitch to sharpen in the field. Inflation is causing everything to go up but you would know that unless you've been living under a rock. Buck didn't cause inflation, the people who made bad choices at voting booth did. Direct your complaints at them instead.
@DasDutchman568 сағат бұрын
Cutting paper will dull any knife. I'm glad my $24.99 Gordon Beats the $99.00 Buck !
@dimopetrov49827 ай бұрын
That's what i thought,...the buck is just over priced, you pay for the name not the performance. I think $25 for these knives is about the right price,definitely not $75 though.
@peterbiltknifeguy7 ай бұрын
It’s 80 plus tax for me
@Nothingtoya5 ай бұрын
You have to remember, these are made in America. There's a tax just for that.
@sheltermonkey60659 ай бұрын
Sheets of paper can cut very different depending on whether you cut it on the long side or the short side. The printer paper that I use behaves very differently, so I always cut on the long side.
@johnj66894 ай бұрын
The gimmick behind Buck's 420HC is the twice sharpened Edge 2X geometry. It allows you to cut through more materials even with a rolled edge due to wider bevel and narrower edge. It's basically the same principle as overusing a box cutter blade that's dull in only some areas of the edge. If Buck went back to their old edge geometry you couldn't distinguish their 420HC from the 420j2 on a $10 Maxam or Bushmaster knife.
@LastChanceKnives9 ай бұрын
Great test! Even though Bucks 420HC is a usable steel, in my experience it doesn't live up to the hype. It is clever marketing to pass off a cheap steel as better than it is.
@peterbiltknifeguy9 ай бұрын
Great point!
@LastChanceKnives9 ай бұрын
@peterbiltknifeguy In my opinion Buck should be using VG10 as their budget steel instead of 420hc. It holds an edge about twice as long and is much easier to sharpen. That would be providing a good value and a great experience for the user.
@jkukurugya4 ай бұрын
Just picked up a Gordon this past weekend. It's a decent knife, I'd change the belt loop on the sheath because I think it rides a little high on the belt but overall a good knife for the price.
@mikehoward82012 ай бұрын
Yep, you convinced me to go get a Gordon…..that way if I lose it or break it, I won’t cry! Ha ha.
@richardhenry19699 ай бұрын
Should have used the mtech 151 as well. 440A is a step above 1095. Of course that's what the charts say. Heat treatment is second only to grind.
@regreg852111 күн бұрын
Great tests...Gordan wins, on par, again!!! 👍👍
@peterbiltknifeguy11 күн бұрын
@@regreg8521 thank you
@justinclawson48407 ай бұрын
You should swoop one of the scale style sharpness testers! Love these videos. would be cool to see a solid number on the sharpness too
@peterbiltknifeguy7 ай бұрын
Great suggestion! And thank you
@powerplay4real1749 ай бұрын
I expected better of Buck but now I'm gonna get me a Gordon at Harbor Freight for their budget price for a good beater knife , 😊
@peterbiltknifeguy9 ай бұрын
Heck yeah. Because it held up extremely good in my hard use tests too
@1joshjosh13 ай бұрын
Well if you think this test is the only Criteria then go ahead and buy cheap Chinese crap. Support your own country man come on
@unitedstatesirie74313 ай бұрын
@@peterbiltknifeguy your knife test here has mind controlled me to buy two Gordon knives 🔪🔪 at HARBOR FREIGHT !
@unitedstatesirie74313 ай бұрын
@@1joshjosh1 how many made in China clothes & made in China electronics do you buy from Walmart and other stores in your USA town ?
@jerryc58429 ай бұрын
I don't know if you are aware but Buck makes the 119 in S35VN now. They refer to it as the 119 Special. I would like to see you test that one. It is more expensive though. In addition to the S35VN STL. the handle is made out of green micarta. Like the video. Keep up the great work.
@user-tb9rw7dh2t6 ай бұрын
Is this Gordon available at Harbor Freight or online, etc? Thanks I acquired a 119 Special brand new from the store a few years ago and was disappointed at the sharpening job. It was uneven on one side too, so I sent it back in to be resharpened and it came back to me exactly the same.
@peterbiltknifeguy6 ай бұрын
It’s in stores
@Drunken_Frog_400003 ай бұрын
Somebody surprised that BUCK is overpriced low-end? I'm not saying that BUCK is junk, I'm saying for the price of any BUCK you can have better knife. I have buck 112 and every other knife I have has better edge retention. Even cheap ganzo for 12 bucks made of 8cr14mov. Even 6 bucks mora made of 12c27. I like BUCK for designs, not for steel.
@czed75159 ай бұрын
Dang you should do the mtech 151 vs one of your trailmasters
@RandysWSG9 ай бұрын
Hahah I just got a Gordon 119 as a gift today. That's crazzy!
@peterbiltknifeguy9 ай бұрын
Lol. It’s actually a decent knife
@RandysWSG9 ай бұрын
I had their folder. It wasa great knife!@@peterbiltknifeguy
@777Nesher2 ай бұрын
I knew this was going too go this way. Own both and the freaking Gorden is better knife.
@peterbiltknifeguy2 ай бұрын
Definitely for the cost
@thaknobodi9 ай бұрын
Poor buck. Just don't have it in it no matter how good the heat treat.
@WhatsthePOINT_EDC9 ай бұрын
Got to love a Buck! Haha. Good testing bud.👊👌
@peterbiltknifeguy9 ай бұрын
🤣👍 it’s the Gordon that stole the show
@ericc.70004 ай бұрын
Do the same 5+5 with seat belts, garden hose, 1/2" PEX, and leather, and see how it works out. Just using climbing rope may offer an advantage for one blade over the other?
@peterbiltknifeguy4 ай бұрын
I’m confused on what the question is
@craigcook15719 ай бұрын
Any steel below 60% carbon isn’t considered decent knife steel. Bucks 420hc only has about 45% carbon I believe. I’m not a Buck or 420hc fan either although 420 is highly rust resistant and relatively tough for a stainless steel. Personally I still prefer 440c for stainless applications and also AUS8 as both are tough and have good rust resistance if heat treated right. Mostly I use carbon steel knives not stainless as I’m not in a salt water environment
@sheltermonkey60659 ай бұрын
No steel is 60% carbon.
@craigcook15719 ай бұрын
@@sheltermonkey6065 oh yes it is, 5160=60%, 1095 and o1 +- 95-1.00 percent, 1075 and 1080 and many more
@douglasgrant52649 ай бұрын
He probably meant 0.6%. I do reject his premise though. 420HC is a fine choice for a mass produced knife. Keeping carbon low helps prevent chromium carbide from forming and thus you get a tough easy to sharpen corrosion resistant blade.
@bunsonhoneydew90996 ай бұрын
For the same performance at 35% of the price, you decide. I got one of each but I believe in the two party system. I took the last buck apart with the Buck.
@gregvanderlip77269 ай бұрын
Yep they need join rest of knife world they over charged for 110 upgrade for sure but reg 110 is like 60 bucks when should be 20s think 🤔 😉
@mikemuenze53906 ай бұрын
You know what I'm going to buy a Buck 119 I don't care how much it costs.
@peterbiltknifeguy6 ай бұрын
Cool
@Hectorszenshopedc9 ай бұрын
420 swiss army knife
@Hectorszenshopedc9 ай бұрын
any data gathered is scientific bud... stop your second guessing you have internal components lol may the force be with you
@peterbiltknifeguy9 ай бұрын
Lol. Thanks
@bunsonhoneydew90996 ай бұрын
When you're just hacking around with your friends it's just fun, when you put it on video It's SCIENCE!
@cw2a9 ай бұрын
👍🏼🤟🏽💪🏼
@scottf.38089 ай бұрын
I think you are a closet Gordon knife fan boyee....LOL....Nice showdown to realize the Buck is a true winner with their Bos heat treat....LOL...Your buddy is not going to be happy with these findings....Good stuff...
@peterbiltknifeguy9 ай бұрын
😂 damn closet Gordon fanboys
@scottf.38089 ай бұрын
@@peterbiltknifeguy 😁😁👍👍
@michaell3974 ай бұрын
So now you know. Both Suck. 420 Sucks more! Shame on Buck!!! KnifeMaker
@LXT434 ай бұрын
Knifemaker? what are you making? bulshit. that's what you're making! Nothing wrong with Buck's 420HC. You know jack-shit!
@supernoobsmith57184 ай бұрын
Both complete garbage. Can be beaten by $10 Mora knives.
@peterbiltknifeguy4 ай бұрын
👍
@LXT434 ай бұрын
utter nonsense! try harder!
@KNIGHTRACEDOTCOM4 ай бұрын
Decent review.. BUT my advice is just but a USA made Buck save yourself the headache I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE BETTER KNIFE FOR LIKE $30 more
@LXT434 ай бұрын
Buck is clearly the better knife and comes with better leather sheath. Still, some people are just penny pinchers and they will buy the Chinese clone. The same people who go out to restaurant to eat a breakfast but they're cheap when it comes to tools.
@keeperoftruth595127 күн бұрын
This test clearly proves the buck is the worse knife. The cognitive dissonance with buck fanboys is insane @@LXT43
@thisfishsmellsgood4084Ай бұрын
Did the same exact test and the buck lost? So I went and got another Gordon, and another buck. I returned them both and did it again and the bucklost again. I don't understand