How To Design Build and Test | A (Series) 6th Order Bandpass

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Watch and learn from my mistakes as I attempt to design, model, test, and demo a series tuned 6th order bandpass. I attempt this build using a CT Sounds MESO 6-5 subwoofers. See the shocking results and music demo of this unique subwoofer box. You can support my channel by following the affiliate links below. Thanks in advanced.
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Chapters
0:00 - Intro
1:44 - Purpose of This Build
3:35 - Design Your Box - WinISD Pro
4:40 - Model Your Box - Sketchup
5:55 - Wood Selection
6:45 - Plexiglass
8:255 - Explaining The Fail
11:00 - Fix Attempt - 1
12:18 - Testing Fix - 1
17:25 - Fix Attempt - 2
20:00 - Testing Fix - 2
22:10 - Fix Attempt - 3
22:40 - Testing Fix - 3
23:45 - Music Demo
25:35 - Lessons Learned
26:13 - Trailer
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@Musicmaster6921 Жыл бұрын

This is seriously cool to see. Not only the process but you willing to show the mistakes and the project when it did not go as hoped/planned. Awesome video, love the depth of explanation man.

@qiraat69 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for making the video. It’s nice to see when someone shows everything, even if it didn’t come out right.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@georgewalker9978 Жыл бұрын

The smaller chamber should have been on the back side of the sub to create more compression . I believe that would solve the problem. With the bigger chamber on the back side when the frontside builds pressure it will prevent any sound from passing because the pressure is greater.

@forsale313 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, when I look at the construction......I come to the same conclusion (It's worth a try). I wonder what would happen if he put the center baffle back in and put the other driver in facing the same direction.

@fedgeno Жыл бұрын

Both sides are the same aside from the small displacement difference from the motor and cone shape

@georgewalker9978 Жыл бұрын

@@fedgeno no bro that's alot of difference in terms of frequency

@HashDogg06 Жыл бұрын

In my experience yes a smaller chamber for the inner with series tuned however parallel tuned allows you to do the opposite. I have found parallel tuned seems to be more forgiving than series tuned but series tuned tends to play a little deeper as there may be added loading through the main chamber that helps this, anyway that's just my findings.

@riveralley Жыл бұрын

@@HashDogg06Just for an example, the rear chamber would be like 1 cubic foot tuned to something like 24 hertz with like 8 square inches of port, then the front chamber 1.25 cubic feet tuned to 45 to 50 hertz, with like 18 square inches of port?

@zues800able 29 күн бұрын

This is a cool experiment. The purpose of a band pass is to filter frequency and amplify it. You are trying to create airflow. You are effectively creating cancelation. The front chamber port seems to have the same area as the rear port causing the compression 0r “back pressure “in the port instead of flow. This is more than likely why the confetti doesn’t move at the correct frequency. To add to that while using the same port area you have added the front port length to the rear port length changing the frequency all together.. I’m glad I watched this experiment, brought back some frustrating memories from the 90’s.

@mikellewis2346 Жыл бұрын

Im a 40 yea old man that loved to have a hard hitting system in my 20s, but i didnt know anything about tuning an frequency and such stuff like that back then. Now im older im looking to build a system using more information than i did before. Thanks for great lessons here. I appreciate your hard work!

@stormyyoung6344 Жыл бұрын

You got creative with this one it's probably your best video the box might not have worked out but it made for a good video to learn from.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

@timandersen1602 Жыл бұрын

Sixth order boxes are my favorite by far started doing them by instinct when I was young, when I finally found out what I had been building I saw the series tuned. Never have tried to build one my instinct tells me the likelihood of cancellation is far too high. Now to learn from your lesson. I’m sure you figured it out. You do fine work.

@joshuakemp1439 Жыл бұрын

Another awsome video. The testing and the walk-through showing the wrong and the right is what separates you from the ppl just trying to make money. I recommend your chl to everyone even those npt in the bass game. Awsome job cant say enough keep up the great work cant wait to see whats next.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the support! Its much appreciated.

@Outpost0 Жыл бұрын

this is actually the best video about enclosures that i've seen so far. Keep up the good work 👍

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@AngryTurds Жыл бұрын

Outstanding work, yet again. It's not all glamour, prestige and accolades. Thanks for sharing another experience

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@romero71chris54 Жыл бұрын

Gotta love them 4th orders!! Great video thanks for the time spent.

@stevenstuart4813 Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! Very nice and clean Steve!

@nunyabisness4300 Жыл бұрын

What a cool experiment.

@Hectoriousz Жыл бұрын

Wow nowhere else can we see this type of content. Talking about it is one thing but actually experimenting and showing us is another. Thanks for your investment

@scottouimet2865 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for these videos, I love your thorough explanations

@91945punx Жыл бұрын

Bro, I appreciate you so much. The way you explain things, the general vibe you have, and your willingness to put in work making videos for us to enjoy and learn from are all great. Thanks so much. I can't wait to build my own 6th order... though in parallel, not series.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that

@michaelfessenden8601 Жыл бұрын

love the intro and the testig

@gsxroyce256 6 ай бұрын

This is what makes basing fun to me is figuring this stuff out

@jonathongaleano2893 Жыл бұрын

That's awesome regardless! I really loved that 6th order ya made for the car!I was hoping it was like that, but I can understand it wouldn't been that easy. I can't wait for the next drop!

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

My next video is a parallel 6th order. Stay tuned.

@michaelfessenden8601 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing this it was awesome video. Build turns into a Fun experiment

@porkrinds9572 Жыл бұрын

You've created a perfect acoustic-cancelation machine! Well, probably like 70-80% of acoustic energy has been nulled. Won't exactly meet the "BOSE noise canceling" specs, but a pretty good job on your first two iterations. You will have to seriously shorten the ducts that connect between the loading chamber(s) if you're trying for an effective hemholtz resonance to compound active pressure at whichever preferred 'Q'. Try to keep phase offset(s) below 12.5* degrees of initial forward impulse before summation. Also, reversing polarity towards the additive phase path can be helpful as well). >>However, you can also go the opposite direction (design wise), with much longer ducts that have an increased taper & expanding internal volume to produce a phase offset approaching 22.5degrees of initial impulse. But This is stepping into "tapped-horn" mode of operation (well, sort of). All of this is somewhat complex theory with a bit of math plus some trial & error.

@trumanbeal5668 11 ай бұрын

SCIENCE!! Great video, love that I stumbled onto this channel.. Totally subscribed! Keep it up!!

@SangalDigital 2 ай бұрын

More videos like this are required, man!

@bassjasinski Жыл бұрын

Great experiment and I’ve always found bandpass boxes to be less desirable for the space they take up

@karlsonkab51 Жыл бұрын

David McBean's hornresp (free) is your best bet for bandpass. Its real easy to use and very precise as built upon Harry F. Olson's math. Hornresp does all kinds of bandpass. Many years ago I had a 10" Meniscus woofer (not much xmax) in a 6th order bandpass - each chamber was around 1.1 cubic foot - it played 28Hz- 120Hz -3dB - the inner port was 3" ID so probably would go into severe compression at high car sub levels. IT would be cool if you could somehow use pipe for your ducts so you could deal with drivers with BS spec - whatever. BTW - your video skills are great.

@raoulselten9480 Жыл бұрын

second that hornresp is the best programme, but it sure is not easy to use 😅

@Sokolov812-lz5ov Ай бұрын

ill 3rd that lol

@humblemaniac2683 Жыл бұрын

Man I wish I paid more attention in wood shop. You are a awesome builder! 👍🏻

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

@budgetaudiowithJ Жыл бұрын

I've always wanted to do a 6th for my channel but afraid to mess up but I guess i have to start from somewhere🙌🏼 thanks for the inspiration I'm going to attempt it now.....

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Go for it!

@budgetaudiowithJ Жыл бұрын

this is good stuff, mistakes happen, thanks for sharing.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@matiasguerraph Жыл бұрын

muchas gracias por compartir tus experiencias con nosotros ! abrazo desde Argentina !

@dead6last Жыл бұрын

learning alot , very cool

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that!

@MacNifty Жыл бұрын

I like the idea I like the Box it looks like a labyrinth. It looks like this toy I had as a kid and I had to get that ball to make it through the maze.

@rhkips Жыл бұрын

Really cool to see you adjusting box volume, and the confetti trick was awesome! I played around with 6th-order series-tuned boxes 20 or so years ago, and I learned that I am not a patient person... LOL Just some speculation based on what I'm seeing in this video: High ratio chamber designs (4:1, in this case?) tend to lean more towards peaky, SPL-focused characteristics; the polar opposite of the typical desired characteristics for a 6th-order bandpass enclosure, and that peak will more naturally sway towards the higher tune than the lower. If you DO manage to peak the lower tune, it's usually at the expense of SPL output across the board. Driver Fs should typically be a bit below the lower-tuned chamber's Fb. Why? I haven't a clue, but I was able to push drivers harder when I brought tuning up off Fs. Tuning spread should be at most 1.5 octaves apart, but keeping 1 octave apart makes the entire process a LOT nicer, and the results a lot more predictable. That plexi you had on the top was just too thin, and you were losing a lot more output to it than you'd expect. It's kind of behaving like a passive radiator tuned insanely high, and its movement was likely playing a part in some of the stray numbers you were seeing. If you really want to torture yourself, build another 6th-order box, but this time, use a passive radiator on the inner chamber instead of a port. Keep a lot of washers on hand, and use an adjustable port on the outer chamber. You can break physics. There's still a small black hole in the house I lived in at the time. LOL I hope you keep experimenting and trying new things like in this video! It's so awesome to be able to come along with you on the adventure. Subscribed!

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips and Welcome to the channel!

@porkrinds9572 Жыл бұрын

I would agree with several points made here. But mainly in regard to the addition of a passive radiator (which can be an excellent way to control air velocity or excitation of standing wave modes. it could reduce max 'Q' considerably (which means peak SPL), but leave you with a buttery smoother response (maybe).

@anubisprince36 Жыл бұрын

I use 2 of these subs in a series tuned 6th. The rear chamber is 1.36 ft3 tuned to 27hz via a 3" round port 17" long. The front chamber is 2.33 ft3 tuned to 53hz via 40 sq. in of port area. Give it a try. Works quite well in my girlfriend's Chevy Traverse.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips.

@jeffmccrady9456 Жыл бұрын

thats awesome!! ive seen a 6th order with 8" push pull with plastic pipes run under back dash into the cab. looked factory. i was like WHAT?? LMFAO!!

@larrymontgomery4902 Ай бұрын

Thats plumb bananas

@SG-Cichlids Жыл бұрын

I don't think the first chamber was the size you planned on. If I heard you correct it's supposed to be one cubic foot. Obviously I can't measure it but looks closer to two cubic feet or more.

@1ohmwrecker Жыл бұрын

I felt bad, you posted the box and it had all that port and looked pretty, then you post it was just a failure lol. Noone can say u didn't try! You're a talented dude!👏👏👏

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

I tried.

@Grommet2007 Жыл бұрын

With those long vents, Hornresp would be a much better tool to simulate what the results of that build would be like. If you share the dimensions of the build, I'll be able to put together a Hornresp sim that matches it, just to see if the Hornresp sim gives a good match for what you measured.

@katlegomogwera3424 Жыл бұрын

Hornresp is such a powerful tool.. It would be better if it had some visual assistance as I for one don't still quite understand how to fold horns.

@Jason_Voorhees. Жыл бұрын

Failing is learning bro, my life been full of failures... 3 longterm relationships and 3 baby mama's lol , I'm still at it and learning everyday

@JBrock-ii7fs 3 ай бұрын

Awesome to see the table saw next to an air mattress in a bedroom

@christophermanabat1934 Жыл бұрын

I love these small project stuff. I ordered me a few 6.5” subs to play with as well. I see how this doesn’t break the bank to build / play / experiment with and I want to try build a isobaric 6th order for my truck to hide behind the seat. I built a isobaric 6th using two 8” kicker comps back in the late 90’s. I wonder how these beefy 6.5 will do compared to that.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Go for it!

@christophermanabat1934 Жыл бұрын

@@BudgetBassHead would be awesome if you built one first so I can take some advice. Preferably something close to 8X8X48” that utilizes 4” PVC tubes as the ports 🤣.

@Robertb00 Жыл бұрын

You don’t know unless you try it’s like trying to understand how that sniper enclosure with the 6.5 sundowns was doing insane numbers.

@jacoblittle3209 Жыл бұрын

So while watching it I noticed during the last test in your video you put the craft foam blocks in the larger chamber but took out the foam that was blocking that inner port. So with both ports opened you are back to a 6th order with a smaller inner chamber. Am I mistaken? Maybe you just needed that larger chamber a little smaller. In the beginning I was wondering if you were going to move the sub to that window you knocked out to test how it would react to different sized chambers. That would be a pretty cool box where you can adjust the tuning by moving the sub to different windows/baffles throughout the enclosure

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Great tip!

@natehaviland3244 8 ай бұрын

15:12 "I'm not going to edit none of this out" BOOM, JUMP CUT! HAHAHA Love the content my dude seriously doing us creative bassheads a favor on the hands on research msot dont have the time to accomplish. I'd have so many more enclosures built I wouldn't want to use between you barevids boom or bust series.

@onewheelup Жыл бұрын

this guy is super cool and as sharp as a tack.would love to hang out and just watch him do his thing.i think it would be like marty mcfly watching the doc on back to the future haha starting calling you doctor bass.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

😄 💯

@ufarkingicehole Жыл бұрын

The design has the sound waves canceling sound waves. Its like the pressure from the back of the sub was competing with the air on front. I guessed that blocking the part you first used foam at was the problem before it was evan brought up in this video. Your placement of foam in the corner confirms it. Blocking the one corner to keep it from entering the chamber in front of the sub was the fix. You may be better taking the chamber on that side and redirecting it straight or to the right

@mikekoss1i 4 ай бұрын

Love your videos you're very intellectual explaining and going in depth of what's happening and your goal of what you're building. I kept.... trying to stop the video to get a good look at the design of the ports and before you began playing and testing it, my first thought was total cancelation. 2 ports combined internally doesn't make sense to me. I'm not a genius and I've never built a sixth order or a fourth order. I thought I read built on a 6th order and I thought they had two separate ports that way they could each be tuned individually, but in this enclosure i don't see how that would be possible. 2 Chambers ported to each other with only 1 exit mean the front wave and back wave of the sub are fighting each other, on other words canceling any output! Great video and i hope i made sense. I was so happy to see you stuff the block of foam in the rear side plus block that port and then output!😂😊😊😊. Always great to see what you're working on or experimenting with! Not to mention you're doing this on your own dime to help others learn👍🏽

@Alkatross Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you are getting a video out of the build. That was a lot of material and effort. The plexiglass is way too thin for a box. It will flex and change the tuning. Maybe put an mdf slab and test it again.

@77Brainfreeze Жыл бұрын

Love this video and seeing your thought process. Have you considered getting a DATs? I think it would help you at a lot.

@Bobcatspiritdude Жыл бұрын

Dta ?

@MetroidChild Жыл бұрын

The small chamber connected to that short internal port is where that nasty 100Hz resonance came from. Stuffing the large chamber caused higher spring damping which reduced this issue, it also likely turned the box into more of a conventional transmission line, very interesting results either way.

@dib-9624 Жыл бұрын

i like your channel 😎👍🏻 you make something different and interesting video 🤩🔥💯💯💪🏻💪🏻

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 👍

@porkrinds9572 Жыл бұрын

Perhaps add AMPLE but BREATHABLE insulation material along the ducts and possibly at the point of summation. You'll have to experiment. Either way, that plexiglass is F***ing with your design for sure. By adding that Styrofoam you reduced the bandpass order considerably -2, but gave the rear chamber a point of semi reactive damping. Good stuff. Fun isn't it? Great videos my friend. Keep experimenting! Cheers

@porkrinds9572 Жыл бұрын

Try reaching out to a fellow youtuber who's channel is called "hexibase". He's my recommend for you

@TBO207 Жыл бұрын

clicked for the meso sub, stayed for the knowledge

@liftedcj7on44s Жыл бұрын

I was told winisd does not work for series 6 orders, works fine for parallel setups. For series 6th orders I was told to use hornresp

@RyanBassForLife 2 ай бұрын

Nice

@BudgetBassHead 2 ай бұрын

Thanks

@timandersen1602 Жыл бұрын

I believe that you can solve the tune problem with adjusting the lengths of your ports. I would guess to just shorten one or the other little by little find the sweet spot that accentuates the desired frequency….that is one big forth order for a six.5

@loudelvis610 Жыл бұрын

Trial and error on 6th order bandpass is a part of it....I remember in the 90s I had a guy bring a show truck in that he had just purchased. It had a 6th order filling the entire bed. Basically it was 4 x15" with each 15 in its own enclosure ported into a common chamber that ported into truck ...it was a beautiful build ....that after it was completed must have sounded terrible so in the "oh shit" moment they cut a giant hole in the 1" plexie glass top in the common part of enclosure to salvage the install. There is nothing worse than building and finishing out an enclosure and having so many hours in it and it sounds like a tomato can. We ripped the box out and salvaged some of the plexie to do a 4th order with 2 of the 15s and a plexie window on back of box...it sounded better and customer was happy to have back half of bed to store all the crap he takes to car shows

@1sickfiestast618 2 ай бұрын

Badass

@gabrielforbes3168 Жыл бұрын

Cheap plexi went welllllllllllll. Not much recoil. Actually considering it for my end all be all😮

@ao2rodriguez2003 5 ай бұрын

Great vid... have you ever made a low frequency truck box with a single 10inch sub and a radiator with a total of 1.5 cubic feet air chamber. Truck boxes usually sit under the back seats.

@ajmann07 Жыл бұрын

Just curious the wrong parameters entered ? Great Video good luck trying to FIX the issue

@TechnikToni-Overtribe Жыл бұрын

i sugesst trying out hornresp there you have seperate options for series and parallel tuned 6th order as well as many more options like 3 ways of 8th order bandpass and even the more new paraflex box type

@rickohlson3962 Ай бұрын

Love the videos .If you got rid of that last long port before the right angle turn I wonder what HZ it would play.On a 4th order on the low hz side .would a divider with a 2 inch hole in it help hold the sub together when playing high HZ .

@dani_avee_p 9 ай бұрын

wow

@MrDarchangelomni Жыл бұрын

Your short chamber long port is acting like a 1/4 wave transmission line, that is tuned lower than long chamber short port, so the sound being made in your big chamber is being filtered by your 2nd chamber and long port. You really want the volume of your chambers to always be 2 times the volume of any length of port. Essentially you made a frequency filter that is trapping the frequencies you are trying to hear, I would suggest having increasing the little chamber and have it dump into the big chamber, and remember in a series the tuning is going try to find the middle of your two ports, so a 30hz inner with a 100hz outer is going to work more like 50-80 hz, but if your ports are so close in tuning that the outer port drops lower than the tune on the inner chamber you're gonna get frequency cancellation at the desired frequencies.

@Djayrichierich2 Жыл бұрын

Main exiting port needs more volume bigger shorter and back should be half the volume and length. It's strange how these boxes work because it doesn't calculate normally. I have a (4) 15 in wall in my ford edge with a series 6th similar to your box. I could send plans and spl at frequency if that helps.

@xmightymousex3094 Жыл бұрын

1:1.5 ratio use 7 sq area per cube on rear chamber whatever you use on rear multiply that by 4-5 for the front chamber the rear fires into the front chamber. You also want to stay 1 octave apart so like 30-60 or 25-50 and so forth

@georgewalker9978 Жыл бұрын

This☝️

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip!

@gackal1982 Жыл бұрын

thank you for your dedication to the bass head fam, your videos are top notch and very entertaining

@casey360360 Жыл бұрын

A series 6th order is super complex and the port tunings have a specific correlation. We've spoken on this together before only very lightly. The inner chamber and outer chamber ports effect each other's tuning very heavily. If you lowered the inner chamber port tuning, you also change the exterior chambers port tuning, even though you didn't touch the exterior chamber or its port dimensions. It works vise-versa as well, any change made to one chamber or port also changes the other. I have a formula that I think is close, if you're interested I'll shoot you an email describing what I've found.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Sounds good. Appreciate that.

@aaronmyers4951 Жыл бұрын

If I were doing it that way I would have the output of the box coming from the high tuned port... because a high tuned port can pass low frequencies without adding loading, and the lower tuned port will pass through said port easily. Seemed odd trying to series a high frequency port into a low port .. if the rear port were low tuned it would load the woofer and the front high port would pass it's waves virtually unimpeded. One more attempt @ series tuned? Maybe fold the rear port back and forth a bit before bringing it around, and making the front port much shorter and somewhat larger cross section. Good luck!

@HagiRoku Жыл бұрын

How long is the upper port? It seemed to me to like around 98hz

@spedracer55 Жыл бұрын

LETS GOOO

@jimthompson909 Жыл бұрын

Front port and back port coming together in the same to the exit port will cancel each other out causing a big reduce in sound.

@dubrpanda1636 Жыл бұрын

15:12 " I'm not gon edit none of this out 15:16 : edits it out 😆😆😆

@ntlaflaredewayne9863 Жыл бұрын

If possible make the rear chamber .5 tuned to 32 and front chamber .8 tuned to 52

@rndmlogin Жыл бұрын

Fun video. They can't all be instant success. As you stated,, there is a lot of value in failing. You gained some insights that you might never have made if it succeeded. Just spitballing here, but how did you calculate the port length of the 'internal' port? Did you go directly from the parallel to series? What Im getting at is that the length of the port for the internal port would seem to be the total from the "exit" of the internal box to the "exit" at the front. Does that make sense?

@418lightning8 Жыл бұрын

based on my experience and no real computer program to back me up I would have move the Sud to where you had the brace and made the final port larger being it then has to transfer all sound out of it not just the one side of the sub so in my opinion the front side port would be closer to 2xs the size it is and same for the front chamber just my 2 cents

@chandlerlofton6536 Жыл бұрын

The port must be out of phase with the sub, causing it to cancel the sound? Your fail video is more interesting than most peoples main content! Good stuff

@goldeneagle7559 9 ай бұрын

From my knowledge and watching this video I'm seeing a long port on the large chamber that looks to be fairly low tuned then a super long port on the smaller front port indicating an even lower tune. I'm not super familiar with series tuned boxes but most people put the low tuned "smaller side" on the back side of the sub and have it ported into the larger higher tuned side. Typically I've seen 2 to 1 ratios with the small side tuned low and porting into the large higher tuned side. From what I see, your small side that was supposed to be tuned high (with a short port) is actually tuned really low due to the length of the port. Longer ports are lower tuned and shorter ports are tuned higher. .

@TimpBizkit Ай бұрын

I've struggled with understanding series tune. Perhaps what's going on is there might actually be a peak at 10 Hz or wherever when both ports create one really long spiral port with an expansion in the middle, although this wasn't shown in the video. What I know is it isn't as simple as calculating the vented box port lengths for each chamber. For instance, the inner chamber tuned to ~30 Hz. That might be the case in open air, but not only have you the second port and expansion mentioned earlier, but the small second chamber has the port pushing back into the large space behind the driver, so there might be a combined higher resonance there, as both boxes are acting as an air spring on the internal port. The outer port will begin to filter sounds above 50-60 Hz, but perhaps it has its own quarter wave resonance at 90 Hz. Long ports and ports that go round bends have their own resonance issues. Perhaps it would be easier to tune the enclosure using passive radiators that don't have these issues. I've always found parallel bandpass far easier to design as it's just two different ported boxes to the open air that doesn't push back and raise the tuning frequency of each chamber. Lastly is the 8th order, which a popular configuration is the 6th order parallel bandpass, and then both chambers are in series with the third and final chamber ported to the outdoors.

@jessewells8087 Жыл бұрын

The reason why they sound different after you block the port because front and back of the speaker is like positive and negative. After you block the port, that’s mean only one side of the sub is flowing through the end. Sorry I don’t know how to explain but the perfect example is try use one box that hold 2 sub. One sub face up and the other face down. Play the music and you hear the difference from being both face up and from face up and down. When u face up one and face the other down it cancels each others out. 😂 sorry English is not my first language so I’m trying hard to explain lol

@mikewalker4950 Жыл бұрын

So with series tuned the inner port and outer port are additive. This will drop the tuning of the lower tuned chamber, hence giving a much lower peak spl (on the low peak) and that’s going to make it very very top heavy. I’m not an expert on higher order builds (very confident on TLs and 4th bp and vented), but my guess here is that you need to have the entire port length be what the rear chamber is tuned to (front plus back port). Also that plexi flexing like that is absolutely killing your low end and could be a large part of the problem. The enclosure needs to have no flex. You likely inadvertently fixed some of the tuning issues stuffing the rear… but the flex is still apparent from the light reflections. Definitely going to also recommend hornresp. It’s a must for anything beyond ported and 4ths, which winisd works fine for.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Excellent suggestions. Thanks

@ntlaflaredewayne9863 Жыл бұрын

The sealed chamber is so large that's why the 4th order peak is so low in freq...I bet if u shrink the size of the chamber your freq response will go up

@ntlaflaredewayne9863 Жыл бұрын

Lol just seen the end of the vid sorry...lol

@seanvarela8384 Жыл бұрын

Okay, so you have my question mark lighting up in my lightbulb, i' have no experience in a 6th order series bandpass so off to the hardware stoore I will heading to after this post. I'm a audio junkie. I need to ask only becuse I do not know , ut I do know that small diffewces within a vent or enclosure can completly alter the sound and performance of a driver. So that being said, did you take into consideration the camber loss being for the sub being under mounted and not top mounted also for the vent gain , and then again for the chamber gain when removing the baffle. I understand that in relation to the total size of the enclosure these are very small volumn amounts but there is always a hard line to everything that once its crossed it can change the total dymic of everything. In the case with the small cabin and vent changes if not accounted for then with the signicant pressure flex in the poly window...I'm just curious if these minor things in combination were enough to skew the anticated tuning.I have no experience yet with this enclosure setup yet... But i like that yoou can me something to do. Also it makes me wonder since you are using the 6.5 meso this enclosure is space demanding so I'm wondering how a transmission line vs 6th order series would compare once desins were polished and worked out? Should we see and compare?

@billahler7728 Жыл бұрын

Very dramatic ha ha nice

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

🙂

@ChrisWilson999 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! The two ports are cancelling each other out. 6th order looks so good on paper but if anything is a bit off it fails. Did you measure your TS params or take the manufacturers numbers? Plus I think this is a 7th order because the rear chamber port feeds into the front chamber port. Both sides should have their own port. I think this is a 7th order. ??

@HagiRoku Жыл бұрын

I’m at 10:26 and my first thought is that brace is working like an Aperiodic chamber. Figured I would post before I continue on.

@fedgeno Жыл бұрын

Should have built it just a touch bigger since it was almost the right size for that plexi sheet. Guess you couldn't know until you tried, though

@Drunken_Hamster Жыл бұрын

So the lesson was "never have a negative ratio"? As in, the low-frequency chamber or sealed side (if it was 4th order) should never be bigger than the high-frequency chamber/ported side?

@HashDogg06 Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily but yes try to avoid that design. The main reason is that the port area of the high tuned side is too small, should have been at least double the inner port area (low tune) or more. By having the port area the same it essentially makes the low end tune way too low as it looks to be 60 plus inches of port plus you run into phase cancellation issues. You see that even when he blocks off the inner port the main port still tunes very low. In my experience a small port ratio will have more peak near the given tuned frequency over a lager port ratio.

@KrustyPickles Жыл бұрын

every time ive seen a series 6th the high tuned side had the bigger chamber and the lower tuned was smaller maybe that was the issue

@michaelrogers9872 Жыл бұрын

You like that sub a lot? The Meso?

@BangingCamry Жыл бұрын

Maybe the wood mixed with the Plexiglass is causing the tuning frequencies to be different

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

The plexi definitely has influence in the 80+ frequencies.

@TBO207 Жыл бұрын

with the way this is set up could you throw another sub in and run isobarically

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Maybe with the window I removed, but not with the current baffle.

@HagiRoku Жыл бұрын

I would assume that because the high side is so small it’s acting like a mass loaded t-line.

@charliefrancis6438 Жыл бұрын

In my experience with 6th order series the front chamber should at least twice as big than the rear and be tuned at at least twice as high , nice construction though

@oshaymcdonald5661 Жыл бұрын

Put the center piece of wood back in but add another 6.5 to it

@omark2423 4 ай бұрын

Try the same build with a 12" sub.

@martingarrish4082 Жыл бұрын

You might want to download REW speaker testing software ( roomeqwizard ) then do a frequency sweep. I would say you've hit a limitation in Winisp, so try Hornresp (as Brian Steele comments below). Like the confetti though - tufts of wool is another visualisation technique. Did your Tang Band double chamber bass reflex work as predicted? (You called them 6th order bass reflex, but to me that implies -36dB/octave bass rolloff). I was curious if that approach could be used for bandpass - does that make it a series series 6th order? 😵‍💫

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestions. The Tang Band build was a good one, I've moved on since then though. I am now using Hornresp. Its great.

@ericthompson4217 Жыл бұрын

It seems what's happening is pressure canceling. When the sub moves in and out the opposite chamber is making the exact opposite pressure creating a 0 port.

@BudgetBassHead Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip