Build a FASTER PC for LESS money! Avoid these PC building mistakes and optimize your 2023 PC Build!

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Let's look at how to take one of the worst value PC builds I've seen and turn it into one of the best value PC builds of 2023 that will crush 1080p, 1440p, and even do well at 4K. A lot of people have trouble putting together a PC build with the right mindset. Every dollar you spend on one component is one that can't be spent on another component. Prioritizing is key. In this video I open a pc build list and give my thoughts on how to get way more performance for the same, or even LESS money.
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0:00 This build looks like a good learning opportunity
2:00 Prioritize which components to spend big on
3:35 Start by improving their Ryzen 5000 series build
25:13 I would go with Ryzen 7000 for more upgradeability

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@Ladioz Жыл бұрын

$1200 for all that performance is beyond incredible... offers an upgrade path too! Well done Daniel

@GewelReal Жыл бұрын

I would just swap RAM for 3600 instead of 3200 as it's just 8$ more for pretty decent uplift in performance

@sparklingion Жыл бұрын

@@GewelReal ^^this, plus it will still fit in the budget

@iihamed711 Жыл бұрын

@@GewelReal3600 cl18 and 3200 cl16 perform about the same

@danielowentech Жыл бұрын

@@GewelReal My final build was actually AM5 with a 7600 and DDR5.

@-alexandru Жыл бұрын

@@danielowentech Hey Daniel, the 5600 has no capability of RAMs above 3200 DDR4 right? Since I did make a build last year with a 5600 and If im ever going into the future for DDR5 4Ghz+ I would need a newer generation of Ryzen, my supposition.

@jasonluvisi Жыл бұрын

Mechanical HDD... that's an instant sign of somebody that needs help with their build.

@Fractal_32 Жыл бұрын

I have a few mechanical hard drives in my very high-end system, they offer a huge capacity for cheap. I have four 12TB enterprise grade drives that I got for ~$120 each, they are running in Raid 5 currently but I plan to run ZFS on them instead. I blame Wendell from Level1Techs for my fascination with ZFS, it’s truly a really interesting file system.

@Xinvoker Жыл бұрын

exactly.

@christophermullins7163 Жыл бұрын

Fr. Basically we are at a point where anything but a hdd is good enough. Even sata ssds are so much faster than an hdd that is a bloodbath in every metric. Even price! Ssds are cheap.. why would you consider hdd? Lol

@alexsmirnoveu Жыл бұрын

@@christophermullins7163 HDD has its niche in actual storing data without being plugged in a PC. HDD can be left on the shelf for decades and keep data safe because of superior data retention. If you meant that there's no reason to consider HDD for gaming specifically - then you're 100% correct.

@christophermullins7163 Жыл бұрын

@@alexsmirnoveu gaming of course that's what we are all here to see. Of course HDDs are great for some things.

@user-xe6sm4jv8f Жыл бұрын

If there's anything I learned from building PCs it's that these days you absolutely must have an SSD for your operating system. It's the single best bang for a buck upgrade you can do. Seeing that powerful machine with a single HDD made me very sad :'(

@Nerex7 Жыл бұрын

Especially when there's 1tb m.2 ssds around for the same price. Saw one on sale recently for 35€, of course it wouldn't be "the best" SSD out there but it will easily beat an HDD in speed by a ton.

@Victor-bu8ce Жыл бұрын

Honestly I’m fine with it. You can always upgrade down the line for cheaper given the recents trends.

@Splarkszter Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and you can just use an HDD to save your random files there so you have more space for the SSD.

@Magnulus76 Жыл бұрын

I don't think SSD's provide a good value for the money for mass storage. 1 TB is nothing, considering many games are now installing at 100 GB or more. I think SSD's really shine when they are used as read cache, to create virtual hybrid drives.

@Tracker5111 11 ай бұрын

Make that m.2... even faster than SSD

@bryonssmith Жыл бұрын

I’ve watched a lot of techtubers over the years and this channel has been amazing as a price conscious shopper. Thank you sir 🙏

@BesharamLive 11 ай бұрын

#ask he want to strem as well as he mentioned i think thats why he choose ryzen 7 5800x So my questions is that That pc recommended is good for 1080 p streaming with lots of overlay and notifications Please replay ????

@AbsolutGoblin 11 ай бұрын

That pc will be great for any 1080p use, it would also do well at 1440p as he mentioned in the video.

@alexsmirnoveu Жыл бұрын

Proves that mathematicians excel in efficiency. Great build, Daniel. Love it! Also, reusing older PC cases could save a bit more for literally no downside (if you upgrade the front USB/3.5 panel).

@danielowentech Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this was listed as a "first build" so I assumed he didn't already have any parts. But for many people it makes sense to keep the case, and maybe power supply and CPU cooler from an older build to save money.

@Sid-Cannon Жыл бұрын

@@danielowentech My latest build a 5900X, I kept the case, power supply, CPU cooler and RAM from my 6700K. That's why I was able to get the 5900X. Then when the miners went away I got a 4070 and upgraded my RAM from 2400 to 3600. Upgrading not all in one go is how I roll. I came across your channel not long ago and thought OMG someone else who likes Mathematics, it usually goes the other way :)

@DutyGeezer Жыл бұрын

Respect for your work ethic Daniel. When I was a classroom teacher I had no brain left to function when I got home. No way I’d have the energy to produce a quality product you turn out regularly! Keep it up!

@nkl7345 Жыл бұрын

He makes most of his videos before the start of class, maybe for that reason

@randxalthor Жыл бұрын

And if you're blessed enough to live near a Microcenter, their CPU+RAM and CPU+Mobo+RAM bundle deals are killer.

@Splarkszter Жыл бұрын

If it's cheap and they are making profit... always search elsewhere. Those are meant for not tech savvy people since I'd search on the used market first. RAM can be funky, specially if those are the ones that only have chips in one side. Same with the mobo because it can be just a barebones lack in VRM and ports.

@themog4911 Жыл бұрын

They don't have Micro Centre, Best Buy or Newegg in the country I live in. The prices he shows in dollars are a lot less than the prices I see in stores.

@DemonSaine Жыл бұрын

@@Splarkszter are you saying micro center is for non tech savvy people?

@Splarkszter Жыл бұрын

@@DemonSaine To be realistic, any retail store MUST target normies or they go broke.

@lip124 Жыл бұрын

@@DemonSaine They got to target people who don't know better

@sparklingion Жыл бұрын

there's a channel called "PC Builder" run by a lovely man named Jason, I would recommend his "Boost My Build" series for those who wants ideas or suggestions at whatever price ranges : )

@wumbology72 Жыл бұрын

I'm surprised you went with this build instead of the $2600 one with a 3060 that was right next to it lol. Very glad to see this video though as way too many people don't know how to effectively build a balanced pc.

@4hedron852 Жыл бұрын

Tbh I’m having a similar issue where I was expecting like 1500CAD/1100USD for a prospective build with a 3060 and 7600x but the parts (no peripherals, as I already have them for my laptop) cost like 1750-1800CAD/1300USD

@wumbology72 Жыл бұрын

@@4hedron852 well part of you problem is wanting a 3060 over any better card for the same price, but also $1100 US is a bit high, but isnt that unreasonable for an AM5 system. If you want cheaper than that then AM4 will last a good bit longer but has no upgrade path. I did a test build of an AM4 system with a 5600x for about $750, and a system with a 7600x and it's about $200 more for the AM5 system. I should mention Canadian prices wont translate 1 to 1 so its a bit hard to give full advice. Here in the US, the 3060 is a waste over a 6700xt, but that might not translate for you.

@wumbology72 Жыл бұрын

@@4hedron852 actually I misread your comment, 1300 is definitely high. I just imagine you are going a bit overboard on something like the case, ram, or storage

@AmosDohms Жыл бұрын

I live in Canada, and I think the 6700XT would be a much better choice at a similar price, however, 3060's are dropping massively in price as of late, so they might not be price competitors anymore. I'd still take a 6600 at 240 CAD or a 6650xt/7600 at 350 over the 3060, but they might want the extra vram.

@wumbology72 Жыл бұрын

@@AmosDohms yeah the price difference here is $270 for a 3060 and about $300 for a 6700xt, thats a no brainer to me. If the 4060 was to launch with 12gb or 16gb, I would say wait for it, but $300 for 8gb is a hard sell.

@mustakboost Жыл бұрын

Make this a series, where you rate viewer builds or random builds. Very fun and informative

@joer.builds Жыл бұрын

Hi, Daniel! I found you the first time from your Game Pass video and your 6800XT experience videos. Seeing how far your channel's growth has gone in the last 2 years is outstanding. Love these walkthroughs and discussions - they are tremendously valuable to me as my community's "DIY PC tech guy". Thanks and more power!

@justincowans2677 Жыл бұрын

These are my favorite type of build videos. Please keep doing these type of build videos. These are the question people ask me about pc building all the time at work. I think the build you were comparing against was initially $1000 as the psu was $177 and the case had another $100 shipping on top. Then he added the 2 $100 monitors 😭

@danielowentech Жыл бұрын

I agree, and while I didn't fully explain it in the video, that's one reason why I made my first edit come in at $1000 and then targeted some $1200 options afterwards.

@Bojeezy Жыл бұрын

⁠⁠@@danielowentech I was surprised you were able to get such a better price to performance build $1,200 compared to the original person. I was thinking putting together a budget build with AM4 but you convinced me that there are pretty good deals for AM5 MOBO that won’t break your wallet out there. Currently I am torn with doing a $500 or $600 budget build for my first build or going with a similar $1,200 build you put together. At least you showed it is possible.

@_sneer_ Жыл бұрын

@@Bojeezy if you can stretch to 1200 then go for as it will give you massive performance boost but if you compromise to about 800-1000 it will be ok as well, especially if you are targeting just 1080p with reasonable fps.

@lip124 Жыл бұрын

Makes no sense to be buying a case for damn near more then a 100$, there are really good case less then that. I got my phantek for damn near 5 years now and still love it, I did not pay 100$ for it but I did get it when it was on sale..

@HateKillDestroy87 Жыл бұрын

im glad you made this video, people are clueless with priorities

@minnick99 Жыл бұрын

I love these type of videos! PC Builder has a series called Boost my Build that is very similar and are some of my favorites. Keep them coming!

@TheTyfreeman Жыл бұрын

I spend WAY too much time on pcpartpicker. I just randomly set a budget and build pcs haha. I wish I had the income to build them all!

@DanielOfRussia Жыл бұрын

You're not alone on that lol

@cobbce Жыл бұрын

Great educational content! Couple thoughts: going with a trusted brand for a few bucks more for RAM is worthwhile (warranty, reliability, etc) Worth calling out that even a slow m2 is ~40-50x faster than an hdd (its not a small difference) Overall great, keep it up!

@s-nooze Жыл бұрын

This is a really good guide thank you. I've been building pcs for decades not as a pro but just for myself, fam, and friends. I'm back on the market for parts and am optimizing a SFF build for my SO. I always learn something when I watch your videos.

@MrRoro582 Жыл бұрын

Good video. I did over spend on my PC and I knew it. I am in the medical field and make decent money. I spent a little over 3k on my PC but not everyone can do that. This is great for those with a budget.

@pcmasterracetechgod5660 Жыл бұрын

Good info, only things I would add to your process is looking for a motherboard with a bios flashback button to remove the issue of the bios possibly being outdated. As well as being more clear on the CPU cooler, while you or I may know better than to just throw in any $50 cooler, others don’t. So I’d suggest being more clear about getting a better cooler for your money, such as the peerless assassin you mentioned, Deepcool AG620, scythe Fuma 2, etc. These will greatly outperform the single tower cooler you left in

@nowaynowaynottoday Жыл бұрын

Most of the criticisms of the build were very good. But I think you missed something: The case had a $100 delivery fee, which to me suggests that the user who built the list was in a different region. It may be the total price of the list was substantially lower in their region. However, regardless of region, your build was clearly better.

@kovrcek 11 ай бұрын

lol the cheapest builds are usually in US, everywhere else it's more expensive, some parts can be almost double the price!

@Markxnzz Жыл бұрын

Great video, I always like cooking up theoretical budget systems. It's true that AM4 is now a dead platform but it is impressive how far your money can go if you decide to go that route and don't mind upgrading for a while. Right now you can get a 8 core 16 hread CPU with a decent cooler, a 6950XT, a Wifi Motherboard, 32 GBs of CL16 3200 RAM, 2 TB NVME, 650w 80+ Gold PSU, and a case with good air flow and 4 included fans, all for exactly $1200. What a time to build a PC.

@charginginprogresss Жыл бұрын

Am4 a dead platform? LMAO

@George.4 Жыл бұрын

@@charginginprogresssWon't be long until it is.

@lemonshark7280 10 ай бұрын

@@charginginprogresssYeah fr it's not dead it's still usable

@seank997 Жыл бұрын

Please do more of these build critiques I love the boost my build series pc builder does on their channel

@JamesSmith-sw3nk Жыл бұрын

I just put together a pc for a friend in Canada that was on a budget of around $250 Cdn, a Dell i7 6700, 16gb ram, 1tb drive pc ($120 cdn), I upgraded the psu (650W Bronze, $40 Cdn) and put in a gtx 1080 ($100 Cdn). I bought all 3 on a used parts site for $260Cdn total, (About $200 U.S). This person plays at 1080p, I was surprised what it could do for the money. (It's been a LONG time since I've bought any used pc parts for myself.)

@Boron121 Жыл бұрын

I built a new system 7 months ago for about the same price. Surprising how close my build is to this build. I wanted a 5600 but only the higher-end motherboards were available then. The RX 6700XT was the fastest GPU within my budget. Black Friday depleted the stock. Your videos aided me back in November. Thanks

@random-zr5km Жыл бұрын

Daniel, great video. I want to highly encourage you to make more of these from time to time 👍 as for the build, I liked how you started with the 5600. I saw it and was thinking "1200$ hmm I would go for a 5800x3d right away in this position". but the way you made it was way better. leave it to a teacher to educate ppl! maybe you could show one of those lists from your students next time you talk about builds? it could lead to a very nice follow up video once the student watches the video and implements all the advice 🤔 Im sure he/she would come back to thank you afterwards and give you feedback which you dont get from picking random builds on the internet

@King_Reader Жыл бұрын

I really liked this kind of video. It would be nice to see it again, also woth different budget. I'll keep on following you 😊

@King_Reader Жыл бұрын

Need to add another consideration. I have seen twice this video, in these days I'm bulding a second Pc for my girlfriend ❤️she doesn't ask me particular requirements, so I decided to move my own 3700x and 3070 to her new case. I'm thinking to buy a 5800x3D and a 4070. For this reason this video is interesting for all your thoughts. Always doubting if I'm doing right or not, better a 4070 or a ti (for only 1440p); giving away my money for a 5800x3d, not buying a whole new 7000 system? Well, sooner or later I'll have to start doing and not thinking 😅Anyway, really thank you ❤️

@GewelReal Жыл бұрын

Also Daniel for the love of god. Intel 670p or nothing for cheap SSDs. It has DRAM and that is the single most important thing about budget SSDs. If it has no DRAM it's an automatic no buy (and the Intel SSD is only like 5$ more vs the garbage MP33)

@H4GRlD Жыл бұрын

Yeah don't skimp on your storage drive, just choose a proven good one.

@danielowentech Жыл бұрын

I agree that certain components in my build were more placeholders than specifically researched optimized parts. This was more of a live reaction video showing how to cut down a truly terrible build to something that offers way more performance per dollar. If I was doing a fully optimized and researched build list I would take a bit more time to research SSDs, motherboards, RAM, and PSU to see if we could squeeze out a few small upgrades for around the same price.

@H4GRlD Жыл бұрын

@@danielowentech Fair enough, I've never checked these custom user made builds, had a blast about what you showcased here. 😀

@mitu123Copper Жыл бұрын

Yeah I only get SSDs with DRAM for OS, programs and gaming.

@livestronger925 Жыл бұрын

Great video Daniel. I have the MSI Pro B650-P motherboard paired with my 7700x + 4090 and I love it. For $133, you get a mobo with two m.2 slots(one with a built in heatsync too!), Wi-Fi, and massive upgrade ability. So I am here to say that that AM5 motherboard is a good option.👍

@SDAnime Жыл бұрын

Enjoy your videos Danial. Keep up the great work.

@emmetwalker2995 11 ай бұрын

Amazing video. Thanks a million. Its helped me so much in my current build.

@theoriginaljealot5946 11 ай бұрын

Glad I discovered your channel. You really know your stuff.

@shanent5793 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining how budgets work! The attitude that just because one part of the build is expensive you must include something else expensive is all too common. Eg. ”Anyone buying a $1700 GPU can afford a 7950X3D and PCIe 5.0 SSD.”

@Tripnotik25 Жыл бұрын

Might as well water cool everything despite in 2023 being mostly just aesthetic plus a PITA, and get case fans that are 25$ a pop, make sure the case itself is almost 300$, gotta have RGB etc. Do not forget to come on social media, YT/reddit/wherever to post about how affordable the 3000$ build was "not bad, but yea i wouldn't advise anyone getting into PC with just 1000$". Consoles are only marketable because the gross majority actively refuse to get a clue.

@charginginprogresss Жыл бұрын

If you buy a 1700 gpu and go cheap on everything else instead of pairing it with a 7950x3d and a pcie 5.0 ssd you're a dumbdumb lol

@lukes401k Жыл бұрын

the kicker is that you can find a 6800xt on the used market for around $400, meaning that you could buy more ram or storage within the budget of that build

@BigDavos Жыл бұрын

Love these types of vids! Pls make more of these

@gedeuchnixan3830 Жыл бұрын

I really like the choices you made and the RAM kit at least said "RGB EDITION", excellent explonation for why changing those parts as well, great job. And thanks for letting me know about Super Flower never heard of them before and wouldn´t have otherwise, my list of PSU brands I concider is quite short: SeaSonic, Silverstone, FSP Group, Thermaltake. Why is Thermaltake in my list? Got an 20 years old Thermaltake PSU which is still running fine so no reason to distrust them unlike the beQuiet which failed me shortly after it´s 3 years warranty. My current is Thermaltake again and them offering 5 years warranty is comforting after the already good experience. Don´t know about the "upgrade path", Ryzen 9xxx will be on AM6 socket that already leaked.

@AaronJacksonJS Жыл бұрын

This was great! Very helpful! Thank you!

@MADHIKER777 Жыл бұрын

Very useful video for a first time builder like me! Lots of food for thought. Thanks!

@Andres92246 Жыл бұрын

Great job! I would definitely go for the last build, it is the best option.

@zetaalpha9974 Жыл бұрын

The Ryzen stock cpu cooler is good if you're not messing around with overclocking. There was a consensus between Gamers Nexus and LTT about one of the best, low cost cpu coolers that's in the ~$40 range that works fantastic for OC.

@beri4138 Жыл бұрын

Yes, it was the Peerless Assassin. Best cooler all around. It's $40 and beats many $100 coolers.

@Wiiuser15 Жыл бұрын

You should do more videos like this, it was a great help

@johnflores4427 Жыл бұрын

Make this a series!

@Noob._gamer Жыл бұрын

Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future....

@EnoYaka Жыл бұрын

guides and tips are always helpful.. this computer space is so confusing and difficult at times :(

@anarchicnerd666 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video, great advice for future builders :)

@neonpurush3960 Жыл бұрын

I was one step away to build my PC around 1000$ and i watched this video, Let me tell you guy's this kind of video i was looking for months i think this video have best guide to beginner's and one of the best tips for where to spend money in a PC build it was very helpful thanks Bro 🖤.

@jasondelarosa5457 Жыл бұрын

If Mr. Owen was my teacher, we would talk GPUs all day.

@Noob._gamer Жыл бұрын

Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future....

@jasondelarosa5457 Жыл бұрын

@@Noob._gamer that's what I'm feeling too.

@MrSlipstreem 11 ай бұрын

Nice choices! I pushed the boat out a little on mine by going for the 5600X and the cheapest MSI overclocking motherboard I could find that supported M.2 PCIe 4.0 with 32GB DDR4-3333 that was cheap at the time powered by a Corsair RM750X PSU that was on sale, adding a cheap 120mm AIO cooler to get the heat out the back. The OS is on an uber-fast PCI-e 4.0 SSD that was also surprisingly cheap. An old RX 5700 XT I already had tops it all off. The net result was a 4.85GHz hexcore system (loads of IPC) with RAM overclocked to DDR4-3733 at CL20 with blindingly fast "disc" access. I haven't priced up an equivalent build lately, but it was crazy fast nearly 2 years ago for the money and still offers plenty of upgrade paths. 😃

@LievenSerge Жыл бұрын

I think all of the options you presented were fairly good!

@Pobedim Жыл бұрын

As a newbie it is still difficult to build a optimized pc. Gaining the technical knowledge is also quite difficult when looking at the amount of hardware components.

@magicglobe1032 9 ай бұрын

Just want to say your videos are an incredible source of information.

@inglbrute Жыл бұрын

Funny thing, I have built my own PCs for the last 20 years or so. A couple years ago, almost to the day, I bought a prebuilt, it was on sale. I priced out the components and I couldn't buy them for as cheap as the computer was. One part in particular was the video card (at that time) at $599 msrp, but closer to 1000 in the real world, if you could find it. So, I bought my first prebuilt PC in many years, from the Egg. They went a little lower spec than I would have on a couple of things, but all name brand parts, Aorus Elite mobo, EVGA G3 750 watt 80+ gold, 10700k, EVGA 280 AIO cooler, EVGA RTX 3070, 1tb M.2, etc. And a lot of RGB that I don't need. I actually just put a 7900xtx in it last month and sold the 3070 for $300. It made me happy anyhow. Might not be tha same scenario today I guess.

@devencherry8976 Жыл бұрын

love the videos, keep it up..

@coolbreeze7132 Жыл бұрын

About a year ago switched from Xbox to pc but I still use everything Xbox on the pc. I did months of research to try to understand and it helped in the long run, built two pcs for my cousins but my first build went with a 12400, 6600xt (used) $310 crazy how much prices dropped now. And the usual 16 GB got a free 256 ssd and a 512 m.2. Cheap case from microcenter and spent like $750. Couple months ago upgraded to a Rx 6800 new for $400 so I like to think I did well.

@kolppi Жыл бұрын

I used my Super Flower Golden Green PSU for 10 years before I changed and it still works. It's my backup PSU now.

@Nphiltrator Жыл бұрын

Loving the video's man! I was looking to upgrade from a 3900x to either a 5950x or the 5800x3d, but which one would be better for a dedicated stream pc at x264?

@michaelfalabella6296 Жыл бұрын

also, the Solidigm P41 Plus is an amazing buy. especially for the price. Solidigm has a driver that boosts the speed of the P41 plus, and the software toolkit is amazing aswell. you can secure erase on any storage drive. Also i know someone with the stock cooler and a 5600x, cpu reached 90C at times playing certain games, id definitely get a cheap thermalright cooler to keep it low, then overclock the 5600x if need be.

@alitekken Жыл бұрын

Nice and helpful video thanks alote

@chrissoclone Жыл бұрын

Oh man, how often have I thrown out Super Flower from my PSU upgrade considerations because the name sounds like the worst Ali Express junk that comes with some free fortune cookies... thanks for clearing that up! PSUs are really the one component in PC building I'm still having the most trouble with, I never know what brands are considered reliable at a certain time, and only a known name is meaningless too (see Gigabyte) because they all slap their logo on something obscure.

@allanh6076 Жыл бұрын

A good question for the AM4 is if they want a second system in the future, for a Nas or a sibling that doesn't need to be powerful. Second hand monitor market is really good near me for 144hz.

@ollianddelphine Жыл бұрын

Some people are just bad at shopping, but if you are a novice or layman it is hard to know what actually matters. These videos are good for teaching a buying strategy.

@RnG_daily Жыл бұрын

I hope you and jason from pc builder collab one day and do a competitive "boost my build" versus kinda thing.

@SyndicatesFollower Жыл бұрын

Two small tweaks I would make to your overall build idea to further solidify future performance, one would be the ram, 32gb of 3600mhz ram is like $10 extra at most and locks you into one of 4 memory ICs. Hynix CJR/DJR or Micron rev e/b which are miles better than some of the 3200 c16 bins. Second the ssd, I'd never suggest anything without dram as a boot drive, there are better options for less than $10 more. Overall you hit pretty square on what people should be looking for their builds.

@sweetsurrender815 Жыл бұрын

DRAMless as a boot drive is actually completely fine. I use 2 right now in 2 different machines at home, they're fast and way better than any HDD. In some countries anything with DRAM is completely overpriced tho.

@SyndicatesFollower Жыл бұрын

@@sweetsurrender815 This mostly applies to US pricing anyhow, depending on what country you're in I wouldn't even consider half of what's available here cause pricing is so bad elsewhere. MP34 2tb is $80 and uses phison E12 controller with dram, keeping up with most top gen 3 ssds, no reason to go with anything else in my mind.

@sweetsurrender815 Жыл бұрын

@@SyndicatesFollower yeah that's fair, I was mostly mentioning it because some people might read the comment and misunderstand it to being slower than an HDD.

@SyndicatesFollower Жыл бұрын

@@sweetsurrender815 Yeah any nvme is far better than an hdd, dramless TLC based ssds tend to fare much better than QLC drives so that's one thing I'd watch out for in other countries, otherwise in the US get the MP34 and be done.

@KyleWarnUs Жыл бұрын

This was a great build video. I would like to see mention of the QVL for memory though, since my last build had instability issues with ram I now only get memory that is listed on the motherboards QVL instead of just buying based on MT and cas latency.

@brandonokeeffe1193 Жыл бұрын

The other issue is that the Asrock b550 board doesn't have flashback, so if he got one with an old bios he wouldn't be able to update it without a compatible CPU, so you've now spent money on a CPU or Mobo you can't use

@fffrrraannkk Жыл бұрын

One thing that's easy to overlook when deciding on a wifi or non wifi version of a mobo is Bluetooth. Ive never see a non wifi mobo have Bluetooth. I didn't realize that when I bought mine and had to buy a wifi/Bluetooth pcie card eventually.

@DeeDee.Ranged Жыл бұрын

I don't have wifi or BT as my gaming rigs are all 1Gb wired. Keyboard and mouse are all USB or with USB dongle. No need for BT and if I have to transfer things from tablet/phone there is still the good old USB data cable way faster than BT.

@randomguy- Жыл бұрын

This is easily overlooked, but in stead of a PCIe card you could also just get a USB dongle for $5. You wont have an antenna with that, but if you're not going far from the PC it should be OK. I have used both and the difference in performance was the dongle worked fine with my wireless headset in the next room, while with BT built in to the MB and an antenna I could go two rooms over. I live in a brick house though, with rebar in the walls, so that's far from ideal for the signal. Honestly I think the difference was down to being able to place the antenna further up in elevation than the dongle.

@F1neW1ne Жыл бұрын

Fun to play along with you here. Great video. Your final build was spot on! PC's are more affordable than they have been in some time. Example (built this with a 4070 the other day for a buddy): Ryzen 5 7600 non-X (incl CPU Cooler), MSI Pro B650-P Motherboard, 32GB Gskill 5600 CL36 RAM, Samsung EVO M.2 2TB NVME, XFX 6700XT 12GB, Lian Li Lancool 215 RGB case, EVGA BR700 Bronze 80+ PSU. Total Price - $1,100. Upgrade to RTX 4070 will be $1,350. 6800XT version of this build $1270. Avoid 8GB Cards at all costs. Stick with current gen Ryzen if building new. Period. Please do not put new money for a new build into last gen Ryzen platform as you will regret it I promise. 5800X3D is great if you are on AM4 already. Drop in for cheap upgrade. Otherwise AM5 all day long.

@F1neW1ne Жыл бұрын

@@RocketRenton Don't tell anyone but the whole PSU thing is blown WAY out of propoirtion. I have a few systems. One of them is a 7900XT+5800X3D+32GB DDR4+2xSSD's+NZXT AIO running just fine on an EVGA 650 watt PSU and from the wall pulls no more than 450 watts at max load. Almost 50% headroom to catch anomolies. I am sure PSU manufactuers would love everyone to have 1000 watt PSU's though. Crappy PSU's definately run unstable though. Have to buy quality. I personally choose Lian Li for the airflow. They are the best I have used and I have used dozens.

@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184 Жыл бұрын

@@RocketRenton the PSU is probably fine for that GPU, transient power / power spikes isn't a problem for 4000 series cards.

@KennyGarland Жыл бұрын

One thing to be aware of when picking an SSD is DRAM v DRAM-Less.. Hard to determine within the PCPartPicker site as they don't have a filter for it. The MP34 has DRAM, so for $10 more it would be a better choice.

@earthtaurus5515 Жыл бұрын

For this particular build I'd go for the Fractal Design Focus G or Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L or BitFenix Nova Mesh M ARGB which are slightly cheaper cases. Which would free up more cash for the monitors and that's the only change i'd make to the AM5 build. The obvious caveat is that these smaller cases will have clearance issues with long GPUs.

@fq3530 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video it has made me realise how much my potential upgrade was flawed, I am looking to upgrade from my old pc to a fully new one for about £1800-2000 and seeing a 4070 fitted into a much cheaper setup makes me think my allocation of money was very off. If you have time for a 1440p very high settings build within that price range I would be very grateful to see your recommendations.

@Psi-Storm Жыл бұрын

Basically, the system he configured with the 4070 is what you need for 1440p high. If you want to spend more, swap the 4070 for a 7900xt, and build around the 7600 on am5.

@kovrcek 11 ай бұрын

Build I built in January this year on AM4 platform: Ryzen 5600 (new) + MSI b450 tomahawk max (with bios flashback to run the cpu, wasn't new but returned for some reason, but with warranty and few screws missing - had to as new wasn't available anymore), cooler I reused my old Noctua (they sent me am4 kit for free), 32gb gskill ram 3200 cl14, psu Corsair 850x and finally used rtx 2060S. Case used my old NZXT, M.2 1TB, 14TB of hdd space also from old build. Total price of the upgrade was like 850 dollars or so. AM4 ftw!! Yeah I know I could go with cheaper psu or ram, but I wanted some quality. RAM is oc'ed to 3600 cl14 (samsung b-die), gpu to like +900mhz on memory (samsung memory). GPU was a risk but paid out so far. And I can always upgrade it and sell the old one. Only thing that it's lacking is 4k gaming of latest AAA titles, 1080p with RT on no issues (with dlss of course). I don't care much as I'm playing most games in 3D on my PJ. But yeah A plague tale requiem looks terrific in 4k not gonna lie, but 2k on high is also quite pretty (60fps). But primary reason I went with am4 was to still run Windows 7 😂 (dual booting win10)

@dynodope Жыл бұрын

Yooooo Daniel! Wazzzzzup man? Good critique video.

@MrSherhi Жыл бұрын

It all comes down to what you need PC for, what budget you have and for how ling you want it to last. As a person who likes to stretch upgrade cycles for as long as possible I would go AM5 and full PCIe 5.0 mobo (also GPU and M.2) and 8 core CPU.

@brandonh7792 Жыл бұрын

Sick build! I would do the 6700xt if he is only doing 1080p upgrade everything else. Now I need a monitor video after that ending lol

@meyatetana2973 Жыл бұрын

I bought a 11900 before listening to channels like yours, recently got a 13600 and new mobo msi pro z790 p I think it is and honestly the performance is so stark didn't realize how bad that 11th gen cpu was holding everything back, I think this will be my last computer I build it's to expensive now, and so no justification in building it myself anymore when a pre built are using quality parts now days and can either build it at same price or cheaper and I get peace of mind of it working out of the box. If prices ever return to how it was when I first started building these things I might return to it but prices just don't make sense now days

@coffeecult4620 Жыл бұрын

Great tips, Im planning on budget on mini itx so might 100-150$ more is it fair enough?

@JoseAntBA Жыл бұрын

Impressive video. Congratulations

@MikkoRantalainen 10 ай бұрын

I think the most important question is to figure out if you want a gaming PC or general purpose PC. If you're building general purpose PC, I'd go with Intel 13600K nowadays. It has insane performance for general purpose computing compared to cost. However, for gaming alone, that's totally overkill if you have GPU costing less than $1000. That said, the cost of fast DDR5 memory is still so high that I'd probably go with 13600K combined with DDR4 RAM.

@centenario6677 Жыл бұрын

This is why I needed out like crazy when I looked for parts to put in my first pc. I did not want to make the mistakes this guy did

@billyhudson666 Жыл бұрын

Didn't even watch the whole video yet, first one of yours, and I can tell you are alright. I subscribed and liked it. I am researching for my first ever PC build. I'm going to order my components this Weds as a matter of fact.

@_mariko791 Жыл бұрын

How much is your budget?

@billyhudson666 Жыл бұрын

@@_mariko791 1800 or so before taxes. I am so far i5-13600k Msi b760p plus wifi dddr 4 mobo 32 gb of 3200mz Corsair lpx ram,no RGB it's a theme all black, Crucial SSD 2280 form 2tb 5000mb Asus 4070 ti oc edition H5 flow case and Nzxt 850w PSU Also black and silver peerless assassin

@billyhudson666 Жыл бұрын

@@_mariko791 going to use my 60hz 4k tv as a monitor the first week or two and save a d wait to catch a nice 144hz moniter on sale.

@DiscardedGod Жыл бұрын

I hope more ppl see this before building their rig. I was blinded by core count at a time and thought 12 cores would make my multitasking better while gaming but seeing as how games and apps utilize them i built my new rig with a r5 7600x(6cores) and its a multitude better than the r9 3900(12cores). yes its a new platform so its bound to be better but i find it faster and snappier in operations due to being able to push higher clocks per core and can use integrated vga for streaming. even read somewhere the 7600x is better than 7950x for gaming purposes purely due to clocks.

@VilasNil 11 ай бұрын

I got a PC right when DDR3 was transitioning into DDR4, and the next upgrade was when DDR4 was transitioning into DDR5. To me, the "upgradability" path is a myth, RAM is really expensive at the beginning and REALLY cheap at the end which saves you a lot of money, and rarely will one _have to_ upgrade from one gen to the next. It's much better to focus on the cut prices of the previous gen, and spend some "extra" cash on good reliable case, power supply and cooling that can be transfered over to the next build.

@karthik7282 11 ай бұрын

Agreed. If you're gonna go full on future proofing you're gonna spend a lot $$. I think one should just buy stuff accordingly to their budget, just don't buy outdated stuff and you're good to go

@nathanholtzclaw 11 ай бұрын

Homestly for someone who is just getting into PC gaming, there’s no reason getting 2TB of storage to start out with. You’re not going to have a vast game library to yet, so there’s no need to future-proof something that can be easily and inexpensively expanded.

@zae5159 Жыл бұрын

Another thing you're paying for with a case is *how pleasant it is to build in* - I had some cases I built PCs in in 2009 or so that were so terrible to actually build in that it made me dread working on my PC, which sucks. It's good that you can get great to build in cases for so much cheaper these days. For a build with a stock CPU fan I'd definitely grab something like the Meshify series (so many cases have tempered glass front panels now which makes non-AIO builds so much harder to cool properly)

@Chef_-xv7ms Жыл бұрын

amazing video! thank you new builders will save somuch money on their builds!

@Noob._gamer Жыл бұрын

Leave pc gaming it's the end only cloud gaming is our future not pc or gpus . Consumer market will end. No laptops no hardware No consoles only cloud pc , cloud gaming and phone's are our future......

@BigBananaVT Жыл бұрын

I was just doing this the other day for a possible build for my fiance later this year and Im surprised I was able to make such a good entry lv PC for her for so little. I was thinking I was gonna need to hit at least $1500 but I kept it close to a grand. It's also a world of difference when Im a content creator and PC enthusiast who plays in 1440p max everything and streams and makes videos where she is just beginning so she doesnt need ALL the the latest and greatest and 1080p is fine for her so I can cut a ton of corners.

@ObakuZenCenter Жыл бұрын

You're not really gaining anything by going with 1080p. The costs saving alone just isn't worth it.

@TheDrMihai Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy content like this :) Also i would have loved to have this kind of professor when i was a student :)) sadly there was no such thing in comunist Romania :)))

@andreivoinescu9364 Жыл бұрын

for the memory i would spend $3-5 more on memory and get it from a more reputable brand (edit: it applies to the first build) and for storage in that $70 price range you could find a dram cache ssd (which makes a huge difference on write speeds on smaller files which makes the system feel a lot snappier)

@Psi-Storm Жыл бұрын

Well, he mentioned the Teamgroup mp34 for a little more, which uses the physon e12, one of the best pcie3 controllers. But gamers won't see a difference. There is just no need to copy data between two fast drives, so you could see a difference in write speed.

@fengorwolfsclaw Жыл бұрын

Interesting to watch the thought processes. Out of curiousity: I got a Ryzen 3600 system with a b450 tomahawk max mainboard, 32gb 3200 ram and a 1080ti that i want to upgrade. I'm not sure what the best route to upgrade is. I only game casually but use the system for programming as well. I really started to dig the ITX aesthetics. Casual gaming meaning mostly atmospheric singleplayer games and the occasional spacesim like elite dangerous or star citizen at 1440p Programming: i usually run several virtualbox instances as my development environment. Option A: go for a 5800x or 5800x3d with NH-L9A. Option B: get a new gpu but none look like a worthwile upgrade at their pricepoints compared to the 1080ti. Option C: get a 550 ITX MB, sfx psu and itx case (terra or a4 h2o)

@melexxa Жыл бұрын

an RTX 4070 with 5800x3D or maybe the 5600x3D once it launches would be a decent upgrade

@Nareimooncatt Жыл бұрын

Something to keep in mind is you are looking at a from scratch build, while it's quite often that people upgrade parts here and there over time. That can explain a lot in the build listings that seem out of whack. For example, my PCPP build listing includes a 1TB mechanical HDD along with an M.2, but that doesn't mean I bought that drive specifically for this build. It's one I had carried over from a prior computer that is now perfectly usable as a media drive for my photography hobby. Sure, it's going to be listed in the cost breakdown as if I bought it recently, but it's essentially a free part since I have slowly upgraded over time. And then there's also a lot to be said for aesthetics and brand loyalty (often for good reason), which a build list doesn't take into account.

@theoperator3712 Жыл бұрын

While you make a valid point, PC Part Picker does allow you to mark parts as being bought. It's a very useful function if you're carrying over old parts.

@Nareimooncatt Жыл бұрын

@@theoperator3712 I didn't see that option when making my build entry. Good to know.

@NadeemAhmed-nv2br Жыл бұрын

@Nareimooncatt I mean I agree with what you said but if that hard drive was a legacy, then he probably would have included or should have included an m.2 in that build as well

@sovo1212 Жыл бұрын

18:55 The monitor choice might seem wrong, but as a 1080p 144hz owner I'd say it's probably not. While I'd really like to go 1440p, I found 27 inch monitors too big. Yes, there are a few 24 inch 1440p but they're less ubiquitous and for some reason more expensive than 27-inch ones. Also, contrary to most people, while I notice the difference from 60 to 144 on very fast moving gameplay, it's nowhere near the brutal difference seen when going from 30 to 60. So, 75 might be just fine as long as it has freesync included (I'd still prefer 120 over 75 or 144, because it's the exact double of 60 and I'm obsessive).

@sweetsurrender815 Жыл бұрын

75 is not great honestly. It's 2023, 120Hz should be standard.

@sovo1212 Жыл бұрын

@@sweetsurrender815 I don't think it's about what should it be in 2023, but more about what your eye perceives and if you enjoy it or not. 60 fps is already acceptable for the vast majority of gameplay experiences, 75 is a little bit better, and it's great for the price.

@alexyoon-sungcucina7895 Жыл бұрын

Unless theyre hardcore fps gamers, odds are they wont notice. They will notice 1080 vs 1440 vs 4k for movies and such. Odds are that the average person who plays a few game (the vast majority of consumers) is not obsessed with high fps performance at the expense of being able to watch Netflix in 4k.

@zethloveless7238 Жыл бұрын

I need minimum of 120.

@charginginprogresss Жыл бұрын

@@sweetsurrender815 "should be standard" based on what?

@yannick5352 Жыл бұрын

I'm also thinking of building a new PC, if you enjoy doing these videos, could you make a build for around €2000 (around $1800 I'd think)? (with both an Nvidia and AMD alternative) Really enjoying every video you put out!

@melexxa Жыл бұрын

i5 13600kf + rtx 4080

@Tripnotik25 Жыл бұрын

Not sure where you fellas learned that EUR was less than USD. 2000 EUR = 2137 US Dollars.

@yannick5352 Жыл бұрын

@@Tripnotik25 Think about 21% tax :)

@randomguy- Жыл бұрын

@@yannick5352 The tax often gets overlooked. Also it seems to me AMD is significantly cheaper in the US than, at least, where I live in Europe. I often wonder if that is down to the retailers or if it's some kind of import/export thing. For example the 7900xtx and the 4080 have been almost the same price up until about a month ago. Only around May the difference went to about $200 cheaper for the xtx, which is what it has been in the US all the time.

@Tripnotik25 Жыл бұрын

@@yannick5352 its not that large a discrepancy as our prices already have tax. Outside GPUs that continue to be all over the place in the EU bloc, you'd be fine having at least 2000$ build made i.e. cheapest ryzen 5800X3D on US pcpartpicker 289.27$, 5800X3D on GER mindfactory, 285€.

@StopItRyan 11 ай бұрын

10:27 Hard drives definitely suck for gaming these days. Booting Baldur's Gate 3 on my current 8 year old system takes about 4 minutes. I can't wait to finish my new build up.

@differentcult Жыл бұрын

I snagged the forge 100r case for $90 CAD came with 2 rgb fans, 1 non rgb fan as well as an rgb splitter, solid case only downside is the screws for the sidepanel can get annoying

@misc.2331 11 ай бұрын

Do you have a video going over how to know/learn all of this stuff? What's intimidating to me as someone looking to build my first pc, I don't know what cpu/gpu/motherboard tradeoffs I could make

@huenarbay1508 Жыл бұрын

@Daniel Owen I'm planning to build my first PC and I was planning to buy an RX 6800XT for my gpu, however here in the Philippines there I couldn't find any. Should I just get a RTX 4070? or wait for RX 7750XT or RX 7800XT?

@feralkid9315 Жыл бұрын

Future proofing is for all parts except for the CPU, motherboard, and GPU. You won't regret buying premium parts for anything you will carry on to your future builds. High watt power supplies, hard drives, ssd, case, fans, CPU heatsink, keyboards, mice, headphones, speakers, and monitors should all be high quality.

@mitu123Copper Жыл бұрын

I agree, and I do the same with most of what you listed as well.

@inqizzo 11 ай бұрын

For a case, a montech sky two is a much better choice, it has a fan under the gpu, it looks fantastic and it supports 360mm rads on top And it costs like 70 bucks

@srfrid Жыл бұрын

Hi! New to this channel and I’m looking into buying the RTX 4080. Do you have a discord or community where I can talk about my build? Thanks and appreciate all this content. Definitely subscribing

@kaleb320 Жыл бұрын

I want to build an “esports” pc where I get the highest possible FPS at 1080p low graphic settings. Would it be a bad idea to pair the 7800x3d with a 6700xt. Because I don’t need good graphics, I just want to pump out as many frames as possible! Could you do a video about this?

@MartinFransson Жыл бұрын

Would there be a disadvantage in just buing a separate wifi card instead of a MB with built in?

@onura2710 Жыл бұрын

There is rumors about 4000 super series, is it true they will come with higher ram and when would they be released?

@remuz123 Жыл бұрын

About those cheap SDD's : 1) Fill them up to about 80-90%. 2) Run some disk benchmark suites. 3). Draw conclusions. Those SDD's with no DRam and anemic SLC cache become next to useless in some use cases. Reviewers usually run their tests on next to empty drives and that's not the real life usage, when steam libraries can bloat rather quickly. None of the 3 cheap SSDs I've owned, survived over 2 years... And those were TLC drives, not the cheaper QLC's.