Chevy = big blocks & small blocks

Ford has big, small, and mid blocks.

@@madmod the Ford mid block is the 351 Cleveland

@@Nostradamus_Order33 And the tall deck 351m/400

I giggled every time Big Chief called his Pontiac a Big block.

Some of us do only or mostly Pontiac content... heh. LS engines are great for trucks.

​@SweatyFatmy truck has a pontiac Guy

Yeah.. but i respect this garage more than that other one.. this one is ORGANIC ❤️

Also, when that jerk in the corner pipes up(the air compressor), go silent for a bit to catch the noise, then you can use your audio editor's noise reduction with that noise you captured as the profile and you can pretty much kill it off and keep going if you don't want to re-shoot. You can do this when you start filming somewhere with constant noise you can't control too, like fans, pumps, etc. if you just capture 5 seconds or so of ambient noise. Keep an eye on your stereo levels in post too and turn any mono segments into stereo. Lots of KZfaqrs miss these two.

This guy engineers.

@@threadtapwhisperer5136 sure don't. Just watch plenty of guitar channels ;)

@@TheMerc1950 hey either way, pursuit of audio perfection or measurement perfection is a lifestyle, not a single goal, Hahah. The dang 10 thousandths variations are rough

So much better with the audio! Great video!

Agreed! I just found this channel, love the concept of the build, and Tony has always been one of my favorites to listen to. This channel will go far with good builds and Tony at the helm.

I love builds like this. Too many car guys are too concerned with doing this the best and most efficient way, sometimes it's just way more fun to work with suboptimal equipment and make something truly special and unique. This is far cooler than LS swap #1,356,783.

I'm curious. Never seen or heard of one built for big power.

@@normnielsen He's planning on making it a 461 Stroker out of it, adding ported Aluminium heads, a ported Aluminium intake manifold, and a custom made cam to make some power.

those who used that label are fans of RPM and don't know what "torque" means, tho obviously the SD and RA4's were ready to rev as well. Pontiacs back before the internet were easy torque monsters right out of the junkyard. grab 6x heads, cut certain exhaust manifolds open and port, and a few other tricks and you had more off-idle torque than the average street mouse running a tunnel ram and looking hairy but then can't turn better than 15's. big issue is going to be the armasteel 'rods and the exposed lifter bores. sorta like screwing with Cad472's--a great way to get diesel like torque in your truck before the 502 rat became common.

Nice, I have 77 557 400. .30 over with 1967 #670 heads 10 thousands under on the deck height.. it's going in an 81 Leman's 4 Dr with street strip built th350 and an 86 Grand national 8.5 10 bolt 3:42 posi...fun is. Here's a tip I do. I cut the cast iron intake water jacket off where the thermostat is. Bolt that on by itself if you want change intakes you can without draining coolant.

Nunzi? I haven't heard that name in years...!

Best engine builder I know told me to avoid the Pontiac 400 for the lifter valley weakness reason Tony mentioned

Butler now builds the best now

@@tommyamann5913 They make after market braces for that

​@@bradleysample3246right on. You know your stuff. I'm running a 462 YS block.

Thanks!

However after thinking about it, the car originally was built to be a Pontiac powered street freak so you are doing it and it’s creator some real justice by keeping the original hood that will accommodate a cool blower. I for one don’t care for them (big blowers,not a hardcore drag guy)but I fully get it and appreciate your plans. She’s gonna be killer I do know that because you are definitely the real deal and have shown us you are on many occasions!! Keep up the great work Tony! We are So glad you are doing a Pontiac by the way!! It’s definitely time!!!

Go with 3:73 gears you'll twice the torque but hang on.

my guy you know your shit huh

what you know about a obs chevy 5.7 350

@@dawsonblanchard5832 that I have one in my 96 Tahoe, a 97 4x4 long box standard cab, and one in a 96 extended cab 4x4. I am not a fan of the sbc. You would not like my opinion of them, suffice it to say I call them orange lumps for a reason. The Tahoe is getting a 5.3, the extended cab is a parts truck, and the 97 is getting repaired and repainted so I can turn it into some cash. I like the Dodge 5.9 better than the sbc, and I am not much of a Dodge fan. So if you look through my channel and see the trucks and cars, every car but the 98 Formula is getting a Pontiac (or Ford because its a Ford) and the trucks are all getting LS swaps. The LS is a vastly superior engine to the sbc. Now I have ot go out to the shop, pull a 4.8/4L60E from a 2007 crew cab, and stuff a 6.0/4L80E in it from a 2500HD... or maybe the Denali. That way I can pull my old cars around all summer as I move them from Nebraska to Michigan... its just a 1000 mile one way trip. Lets go Brandon with this $4.50 gas.

I was gonna say something about the heads too. I won't claim to know much about Pontiac specifically but it's a safe bet that any factory 1974 heads are gonna be pretty much garbage. I don't know what the right heads are to go with, even something moderate like production Edelbrock heads will be a massive improvement and I bet the Butler reworked ones like you mention are much better than that.

@@totensiebush interestingly enough, all the D ports with 2.11" intake valves flow within 10-15 cfm of each other up to .550 lift. There's not really a 'bad' head, just hard to find casting numbers. Some of the small valve heads flow pretty good too, like the 16, 46, and 47. The 6X he has was the head that came on everything from 1976 to 1979, 350s and 400s both had them. The 76 455 had a big chamber head and about 7:1 compression. They still flowed with the 72cc heads from the 60s. The big difference among the D ports is combustion chamber size, thats how Pontiac changed compression ratios. It allows us to mix and match to get the compression we want. Its quite handy, we can go from 7:1 to 13:1 on a flat top 455 with just a head swap, and thats factory iron heads. Its a general rule that if it has screw in studs, its a good head. Some of the pressed stud heads like 15 and 11 were great heads too. These are not chevy engines, they are not ford or mopar engines, which means the Pontiac does what it was designed to do VERY well, and most of the factory parts are very good. Like the intake manifolds, the stock Qjet intake is just as good as, or better than every aftermarket intake out there on an iron head. That is how I can build lots of power so cheaply, because all the stock stuff works and the core engine comes with it. Lately I am upgrading the rods for forgings, because the cost of a forging is about the same as resizing the stock rods and putting in ARP bolts. Its a wash, so why not go with the forged rod? Likewise you don't need lots of duration and lift, but still most people tend to under cam their Pontiac engines. The majority also have a penchant for getting as close as possible to 9.5:1 compression, whereas I don't. If I am doing a pump gas engine it gets 8:1 so I can run 87 octane, the extra point doesn't give me enough power to warrant having to run 93 octane, which around here is $5.30 a gallon. Thats what race gas cost me in the 90s. Usually I go for E85 compression, which is over 11:1, and is achieved easily by bolting a set of 72cc heads from 1967-1970 on it. Sure I can run E85 in a 5:1 compression engine, but it uses so much fuel its not worth it. Around 12:1 is the break even point where E85 gets the same mileage as gasoline, but while making a lot more power. I had a set of 6X heads like Tony has on a 400 short block I built in the 1990s with TRW pistons, just under 8:1, its like 7.7:1 or so. I ran it in my 65 GTO for a couple summers, made long distance road trips over 1000 miles in one shot. Best it got was 15mpg with a 2.56 rear and Th350 behind that 400. Even with FiTech EFI it never did better than 15mpg. In 2018 I put my 13:1 compression 455 in with a 3.42 rear gear, that thing got 18mpg mixed driving and made ludicrous power. The head gaskets need to be a bit better for over 11.7:1 than the cheap Felpro pieces, so I swapped on some 670 heads from a 428 that I had ported by Butler in the 90s. Mileage dropped to 17mpg, but it still makes enough power to push the ol Goat into the mid 11s in the quarter... with a 3.08 gear. It has a hurt Th350 behind it right now, so I can't do a dragy run with it just yet. I like to maximize cylinder pressure with camshaft timing and static compression, because it works the fuel harder so I get more out of the same amount of fuel. With 9.5 you are always on the verge of ping/knock, so you have to back the timing down, and Pontiac engines love advanced timing. They make their power below 5000rpm, right where more advance pays off. The factory heads are quite good, they have features only available on race heads for chevys, and some only after 1996. 13 degree valves, 2.11" intakes, 1.77" exhausts, screw in studs, machined chambers and gasket surfaces, and they are relatively cheap. That has been factory since 1967. The best parts are no burned plug wires, air gap intakes from the factory, and you have to really look to see what size it is... and then it can be stroked up to 489 or so. Not to mention how easy it is to produce torque everywhere in the RPM range. Its a different way of thinking than chevy guys. They want all the RPM, deep gears, big stalls, single plane intakes...all of which will make a Pontiac slower.

You ain't kidding about the extra cost for Pontiac Oldsmobile stuff is worse and harder to find performance parts for

@@thman6453 NO!

That was built for racing

@@Nostradamus_Order33 Yes, the 303 was a race only motor from which the 301 was derived.

@@countryroadautopartsusa6466 I had no idea. i still have a 1981 black grand am. bought in 1993 with 230,000 miles on it drove it home sat a brick on the gas pedal it ran for almost 30 minutes . walk out of my shop to check on it and it had run out of gas. told the boys working for me to go ahead and pull it and put 1971 455 in it so my wife can drive it 16 miles to work every day. that way she would keep her ass out of my 1967 GTO with 1969 428. it worked to.

I have an all original 301 In my 1980 Grand Prix SJ. 64,000 original miles I love it but I'm looking for something bigger to build but Pontiacs are hard to find In the DMV area

The 301 is not derived from a 303. It is the short deck version of a Poncho V8. And totally unsuited for hi-po builds.

900bucks for a old 185hp gas guzzler v8 that he does't even know if it's running, that's a lot of money

MINE 455 H.O. has never been over 5500. can't replace easily, and why it's not a mouse, makes torq like my Petbuilt.

Worse than an A body Mopar?! Can it be?

@@StayTunedTA Ohh man, probably not that bad after watching Dave and Steve struggle with the crop duster.