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As someone who runs laptop daily machine with AMD A series APU I know the struggle

🙂 true, alot of people only have a lousy laptop and its probably some crappy 2 core with integrated graphics, even if its brand new, its pretty sad ☺️

I thought Kepler was the newest out-of-the-box compatible card for XP driver wise but based on this video apparently Maxwell works great too!

@@InfiniteClouds low end maxwell works. Sadly, no 970 or 980ti works. Awkwardly the 680 works but not the dual gpu 690, either. So i had an egg on face moment to find that there was no compatible Windows XP driver when i tried it on my Windows XP build.

@@ZeroHourProductions407 i.imgur.com/L2HHMR9.png

@@ZeroHourProductions407 Actually, there do seem to be ways to get the 970+ working on XP by modifying some files; but no Pascal luck.

ThyBonesConsumed I can vouch for this. I was able to install windows xp drivers using a Titan X!! If you don’t mind spending a little time modifying the drivers then you can use the best gpu for your build

I'm still running F. E. A. R. V1. 0 @highest settings on my true retro 2009 i7 920 & Gtx275 👌

Oh dear. It does get confusing with all the sockets :P

Exactly.

@@philscomputerlab One more reason why I like AMD :D

😃 yay 1156, i have three at the moment, i love them because it supports the $20 Poor Mans i7 CPU the x3470 😍🐢

@@infidelgermany what?AMD have loads of sockets in the XP era too(AM2/2+/3/3+ FM1 etc)

Did you format C: FAT32? I ask because I am wondering if older DOS games will work on XP as well if the file system is FAT32...provided they are not CPU speed sensitive... HMMmm... 🤔

There is ko dos support in XP, but you can easily use dosbox and you have a really versatile retro gaming PC.

It makes sense to separate Win Xp and Win 98/98SE... it's nothing more than just another case (or two) + PSU + CPU + mb + whatnot... IF you're really into it, that's all to it really. I have two separate W98SE builds, one is all Intel + nVidia and the other one is all AMD (Ati). Now, we could all argue about the "best" W98SE build (non-existing category IMHO) but... being the "original" and/or "true" comes with a hefty price tag... let alone being stupd or whatever. Some, back in the day, considered the FX series, or the early Quadro FX series (P214) nothing short of a failure, but they are anything short of a bomb-for-a-buck! In my collection I have quite a few of Quadro FX 4400 that are on par if not better (and not just in terms of $$$/performance) than GF6800 GT or GTX or Ultra. Oh, and do not forget the early Radeon X series.... packing a serious punch while being cheap as chips! Bottom line... are you ready to dish out $1500+ for a "oh-my-god-it's-so-awesome-and-time-correct" single Wooodoo card that is easily left in the dust by a humble TNT2 that costs's just a fraction? Or you are more like me... mind you, I have dozens of different Wooodoo cards for no other reason than I could.. or wanted.. or whatnot ... the local market where I live is WAY cheaper than eBay or AliExpress or whatnot. I am patient... I'll get the card I want - in a year or two... at the price I am willing to pay for it... so yeah... :P

Can confirm. Currently, I'm using GT 750ti for my XP machine, it's very fast and powerful for DirectX 9 games but compatibility with older DirectX 8 and earlier games is very bad. Some games work fine, but some can't render at all. I also tried GT 730 with various drivers - all the same result. Since most of my favorite childhood games are from that era of gaming I'm quite disappointed and also going to replace it with an older GPU. Maybe some Radeon.

This is good to know. I am looking for the 750ti because of the low TDP (60W), since the PSU that comes with the pc I bought is only 310W. I want to play The Sims and the original version of age of eimpires 2. Do you think I might have problems?

I remember when Windows 10 first came out the drivers...omg the trouble I had it was like Vista all over again lol :D Great cards though nothing quite like having a good headphone amp to bring the beats to life :D

Haha that's awesome :D

actually HT don't add much to power consumption. I saw measurement of same clocked 4/4 and 4/8 CPUs, power draw was same, but 4/8 had better performance in application, that know how to use HT.

Yes, but why not just use Windows 10?

🙂 yes it was really rough back then, there were no used old prebuilts that u cud retrofit, no internet, no pirating, everything really expensive AF, slow af video cards 😒 yeah no thank you 🙄 ☺️

@@Alakazam551 maybe he was speaking about 80's. :) Then he is right. First IBM PC's used to cost 2000$-6000$, after inflation it's like 4500-15000$ today.

+Devolve Studios you must be fun at parties.

And just today I was playing Doom 3 on my E450 at that 1280 x 1024. I mean damn, if this machine actually had Win XP drivers that worked, this machine would make an awesome retro rig. But, the video is not supported last time I checked

@@Qinti101 for fast winxp retro rig, socket 775 dual core is enough. GTX 560 should work too.

🙂 yup, i3s are good beaters for around $29, thats what i would use for Haswell 1150, 1155 🙂 for 1156 tho u can go X3470 4c 8t for only 20 dollars

Good call, no one wants the i3 models anymore so much cheaper.

i recommend i3-3220, ivy bridge has even better power consumption and slightly better performance, cost is similiar. You can see differance between Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge in power consumption here. www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-e31230-v2-ivy-bridge-xeon-review-4c8t-33ghz/ Anyway, as he is using only 1 core, differance would be small, but anyway. As cost is similiar, it's better to take Ivy Bridge version (i3-3220). I would take even Pentium (2C/2T), because you don't need hyperthreading.

@Bluebird np. Just take Pentium 2C/2T Ivy Bridge. And disable one core. It's cheapest, you can find them even like for 5$.

Or a pentium 1155 a G620 the performance is like a core 2 quad but only 2 cores

In fact I have a Core 2 Duo E8400 and I'm using Windows 7, working like a charm on it. I'd jump to Windows 10, but the motherboard accepts only 4gb max.

@@akualung When support ends consider Dual Booting with Linux. 4GB RAM is very good for Linux and you also have a 64 bit processor so you will have no issue with finding a compatible distribution.

@@akualung the 4gb limit on a lot of dells is BS, mine took 8gb no problem

​@@virtualtools_3021they wrote the manual when that was the biggest modules available and never updated it when bigger modules came out. Ever since LGA 1366, the memory controller has been on the processor so yeah.

🙂 i picked up a $10 5850, just for kicks 😇

😒👍 775

🙂 yes, more of this, and less ryzen ☺️ jiji

only one mistake, he said its socket 1156 but its 1155

You forgot the Arch Linux on it too. But all other is Perfekt displayed.

😒👍 775 FTW 🐢

That's right. Pentium 4 is for early 2000s or better for windows 98. If you want a retro PC (not only retro games) you'll use top tier hardware of that era.

I have an e8500 with 4(3.5gb) of OCZ ram and a Quadro 600. It's in an sff dell that was donated to me for services rendered. If I could find a reasonably priced low profile 750ti that's the only upgrade I'd make right now. It crushes HL2, more than decent enough at FarCry2 and runs Crysis at 30 when I get the settings dialled in. All of which I can play even better on my i7 with 16gb and a full-size 750ti, but the POINT is the fettling and the trying things out for me.

Not even windows 7 needs more you noob. gpu wise that is probably a 780 ti.

@@kadergumus2598 It's a 7500-r4 so water cooled intel core 2 extreme (I think it's a qx6700) and 2 8800gts in SLI. I dropped in a 250Gb ssd.

Right gotta love those TI days 1978 😎

😃👍 OK!

🙂👍 yes rite now i recommend 775 & 1156, they are both cheap af, $20 Q9550 or $20 X3470 🐢😍🐢

Eh some games might not like modern hardware tho

@Roshan So a few games from the XP period will not run correctly. So what? Especially if the gamer does not play these games in the first place, which will probably be the case. It is just not normally possible for a gamer to play every game from the early 2000s period. These considerations are equivalent to backward compatibility with the new 2020 PS5 and Xbox Series X/S consoles, as at the end of the day you have to draw a line with vintage catalogue titles for the new console platform to progress into the future.

The correct way is not Pentium 4. It is top tier tools of that era for maximum compatibility and performance. Probably a high frequency dual core and 8800 GT or HD 4850. Something like that. Pentium 4 is for early 2000s, way before these games in the video launched.

@@bestopinion9257 The end justifies the means. If the prospective CPU and GPU was released 10 years after the game launched, which results with truly fantastic frame rates and performance, this is all that matters. 🎮

@@user-kc1tf7zm3b You can use whatever tool does the job ... if you want retro gaming only. BUT if you want a retro MACHINE then only hardware of that era (high end for a nice build) will fit. So: Retro games/gaming - whatever tool. Retro XP PC - proper hardware.

Good luck Finding a good CRT It will either take Big money or luck looking for a good deal from someone who doesn't know what they have.

@@danielberrett2179 I've been lucky for my 240p 480p TV CRTs so far have everything I want for retro consoles. Pc on the other hand have been much harder to find

🙂 overkill, i think the 960 is the highest, the 970 980 is the next tier where u probably wont see any difference, plus ur burning more watts with two 6 pin plugs

Nah not into Pi and Maker type stuff!

RPi's can't run x86 software, at least not natively, you have to use emulation and it's muuch slower and limited (no WinXP, that's for sure).

Awesome

I believe I have covered such Chinese boards. In the end, I recommend getting an used 1156 board instead.

@@philscomputerlab Well, I ended up buying a one in the middle of last month. Along with an I7 860 and a GTX 650 Ti 2GB. I will perform some benchmarks and maybe install this PC on my living room on my TV. Prices for 1156 used mobos are out of context. Some more expensive than 1155 mobos. I hope it all right. The brand is quite famous for LGA 2011 motherboards.

😒👍 sure! go used 1156, get a nice tall namebrand ATX board, $20 X3470 (i7) and some ddr3 1333mhz ram, plug in a video card and hammer down, bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii 🚤............. ☺️

@@philscomputerlab i5 2400 (Sandy Bridge) is LGA 1155, just FYI. LGA 1156 is Lynnfield/Clarkfield, a.k.a. Core i5 1-st gen (7xx/6xx) series.

🙂 i saw a Titan RTX at Microcenter recently, the price tag is $2499 😰 wtf!

@@MrSamadolfo modern GPU prices are obsurd. Nvidia is pricing as if it was still the height of the cryptocraze. That craze has passed and they just don't want to accept it.

@@InfiniteClouds 🙂 maybe its meant for businesses that run AutoCAD or engineer software, i would like to ask Microcenter who buys them? ☺️

@@MrSamadolfo definitely. My friend has a business and when he designs kitchens or bathrooms they take a while if he wants a really detailed rendering. He's using a consumer Maxwell. I would assume a $2500 rtx could probably do it in seconds if the cpu was up to snuff

@@InfiniteClouds 🙂 oh that makes sense then

😰 yeah but used invidia is alot more expensive here compared to radeon cards

@@MrSamadolfo They're more expensive because products that actually work are priceless when compared to the alternative.

@@wasd____ I used ATI / AMD Cards through out the whole "XP and Windows 7 Aera" and can confirm that they actually work. Saved a lot of money

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To be fair, most late end XP stuff just uses sata as it's main drive, like laptops and the sort, but that was near the end of it's mainstream life as vista was about to come out

That would be a Windows 98SE machine.

LOL.. I have an AMD AM2+ Athlon 64x2 with SATA HDD and DVD drive for years, I am still using it for scanning documents and printing on Zebra Thermal printer

i had already sata in win XP times, particulary after 2006. IDE was more like 90's and win98 era issue.

☺️ i never played Minecraft, but I have tried out Cube World

I don't think so, you can play any XP-era games on modern machines. It's not like the jump between Windows 98 and NT that broke all DOS compatibility. An XP gaming machine is basically any modern computer that cannot run the latest games.

It’s not. The only people that say that are on KZfaq. Windows 95 is retro. Windows XP is just out of date.

🙂 you can checkout the used power supplys on ebay, look at the pictures and study the specs sticker, i assume any of the used 650 watt power supply shud be golden, for new just do the same and zoom in on the specs sticker, get the one with alot of amps

✌️😏 and Windows 7 📀

@@MrSamadolfo yeah if you're not plugged to the net win 7 support will end soon no more security updates. So it's either win 10 or linux.

@@scorpiom8053 🙂 sure, i personally dont use windows updates ever but thats not for everybody ☺️

not all tha time

That would be perfect for playing games on "RamDisk"

🙂 thats cool, i personally like the 750 & 950 & 960, good all around beaters, and u can flip them easily 😒👍🐢🐢🐢 plus the output has analog support for vga & legacy bios support for oem prebuilts, compatibility is king, especially for resaleability 😒👍

@@MrSamadolfo Id like to get my hands on a 950 LP (No 6 pin) and compare to a 750ti (slower) and 1050/1050ti. Comparisons including, texture compression (Video ram usage), CPU loading, power efficiency and overclock/underclock potential. Would be also nice to know about the possible 264/265 vp8,vp9 video accelerations. Heavily needed on older, slower CPUs.

@@DarkLinkAD 🙂 ive seen alot of videos, the 750ti is 12 FPS behind a 950 at 1080p, if ur running a modern cpu. On older cpus like 775 the fps is the same, i have both cards, they normally cost the same 750 950 960. The 750ti holds its value better waaaaaaaay more than any other card in the world because its simply more well known, ask any person on the street in any country and they probably know what it is, its kinda funny but namebrand and model#'s can go a long way, if it was a car i would say its a honda civic or toyota corolla, u plug that card into any POS pc & its going to sell guaranteed because people are sheep 😅 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑

The whole nvidia 900 desktop cards can be windows xp compatible if you do a bit of driver modification. I was able to install the GTX 960 Windows xp driver with a Titan X and worked great!

🙂 sure

LGA 1150 has no official Windows XP support like LGA 1155 (Sandy & Ivy Bridge)!

@@itsmeco9061 🙂👍 good points

lol does he speak german? why then i write comments in english here xD btw nice video. love the „better hardware than at the time retro pc“ videos from you

Steam doesn't work on XP anymore. Yea, many buy used games and they do come with CDs. The thing with XP is that there is such a wide range of hardware that support it.

Hi, no there's no real reason for this (this is from a guy who has 2 entire machines dedicated to XP) you can even use really modern parts like Ryzen or Skylake based hardware but the installation process is a bit finicky. Concerning CD drive etc. you can use one of them but also use Daemon Tools on XP (even on Win9X, I believe Phil made a video about it on Win98SE) but of course it requires more space in your storage drive. At least, you have no risk of damaging your CDs because of your optical drive (one of mine, think it was a x52 DVD burner exploded internally, taking with it my official Win XP Pro CD :( ] and sometimes installation & loading times can be improved thanks to it. About Steam games: You can still use Steam in Windows XP I think (I launched it on one of my machines in 2019 so when XP is officially no more supported by Valve) but you probably can't download games etc. In any case you'll see a red bar up in the middle of Steam telling that "Windows XP will be unsupported in 0 days". There's also a list of games on Steam that you may have and are DRM-free, you can see the list here: steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games I hope it'll help you :)

🙂 this is more for people that are nostalgic, similar to people buying old consoles, they get all warm & fuzzy inside 😇