Building an Oxikit DIY Oxygen Concentrator

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Signal Ditch

Signal Ditch

13 күн бұрын

This time we're talking about Pressure Swing Adsorption and how we can use fancy sand to pull pure oxygen out of thin air.
Errata and Clarifications:
- If you are going to use PVC pipe to store pressurized gas of any kind at any pressure, you MUST use pressure rated pipe and not "thinwall" or "DWV" pipe. I chose Schedule 40 pipe, which is the thinnest walled pipe that has a pressure rating, but there are such things as Schedule 80 and 120 pipe. Using pressure rated pipe does not make it safe to do, it just makes it safer. (Cheers, @Spirit532)
- Some concern has been raised about material fatigue caused by pressure cycling. I'm not convinced that a 30 psi pressure swing meets the threshold to cause this kind of failure, but the concern is probably well-founded. A failure of this kind at 30 psi could be scary, but probably not lethal. The chances are good that a failure would be unexciting, if it ever occurred. PVC is not a brittle material and is also very resistant to oxidative reactions. I will be sheathing my cannisters in something to prevent shrapnel just in case. (Cheers, @NicolasBana)
- Sieve is pronounced /sɪv/ and I know that in any other context (I pronounce it correctly in the idiom "leaks like a sieve") but I learned to pronounce "molecular sieve" from @NurdRage, for better or worse, and his incorrect pronunciation has stuck with me. (Cheers, @nilo70)
- My description of the PSA cycle is not entirely accurate. I state that the equalizing valve is mostly responsible for purging the nitrogen from one tank to another, but that's not exactly true. Most of the purge actually happens via the orifices in the output junction. The equalizing valve theoretically "primes" the unpressurized canister with the last bits of pressurized O2 from its counterpart (because the tank will adsorb nitrogen better under pressure, so if you already have some O2 pressure in there when you start pumping in air, you'll pass less nitrogen as the pressure ramps up) I may address this in a follow-up video, but this is still not a bad introduction to the PSA cycle.
- Some of the PSA cycle diagrams show out of order, mostly when I cycle through them quickly. What I'm describing is still correct and any diagram that is discussed for any length of time is correct, it's just some of the quick ones. This section is a Google Slides stack that I recorded with a screen recorder and at times I advanced the slides in the wrong direction without noticing.
- If it is working properly, the oil in an oil-filled pressure gauge will never contact the process gas. What I describe as a hazard is absolutely still true, however. Please do not use oil-filled gauges in oxygen service. In fact, if I were building this machine for someone else to operate, I would take apart the cheap pneumatic valves, wash them in degreaser, and re-oil them with a fluorinated oil for reactive gas service. Take care to look into the oxygen compatibility of anything that has to carry pressurized O2 (Cheers, @AdvancedTinkering)
- When describing the tool used to agitate the sieves in the OxiKit video, I call it a "pneumatic vibrator." In my head, they used a concrete vibrator. Watching the footage back, they're clearly using an air hammer. If you go looking for that tool, it's called an air hammer. I don't necessarily recommend using it for this, however. They make a point to run it at low pressure and to only contact the fittings with it and not the pipe wall directly, but it still seems easy to damage your PVC this way. Buy a muscle massager instead, you deserve it.
- I describe the gas separation mechanism as "having to do with the relative size of the molecules" which is sometimes the case with molecular sieves but in this case, the mechanism is actually electrostatic and ion exchange interactions! This is why the metal cation (Li vs Na) bound to the zeolite affects the selectivity. (Cheers, @justliberty4072)
Check out the Oxikit project here:
oxikit.com/
You can stay up to date and support me on Patreon here:
/ integratedtherm
And if you want more info on my build, you can read the blogposts here:
www.nickpoole.me/
And check out the Github Repository:
github.com/NPoole/PSA_Oxygen_...

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@Spirit532
@Spirit532 11 күн бұрын
Excellent build! We definitely need more oxygen concentrators instead of cylinders. There's one REALLY important thing to mention - you *must* use pressure-rated PVC pipe if you're going down that route. NOT drain or other unrated pipe! The difference between the two is a very violent explosion that sends large shards a few inches deep inside you. Also, a simple hack to increase your oxygen purity and performance - run the concentrator at max throughput for the desired pressure/purity, then use an overpressure valve(of the not-safety variety) to backfeed the waste oxygen into the inlet when you close the valve on the torch. It helps increase purity when you're not using the concentrator at its limit, which for most small glassblowing will be almost never, unless you use extra torches/burners. It also helps unload the sieves, and since it's already been through the system, extends the life of the air dryer.
@Julian_Hopf
@Julian_Hopf 10 күн бұрын
Even the pressure rated pvc is only rated for use with noncompressible fluids, which release minimal energy when decompressed. Metal would be much safer.
@DaveEtchells
@DaveEtchells 9 күн бұрын
I hadn’t known about pressure-rated as distinct from schedule 40/80; he said he used sched 40. (Or were you just referring to one of those two, as opposed to PVC drain pipe?)
@Spirit532
@Spirit532 9 күн бұрын
@@DaveEtchells Yes, sched 80 should be used. The other commenter is also correct, neither is rated for compressible fluids, so I would use something like HDPE/PET pipe instead, but it might be a bit too expensive.
@newmonengineering
@newmonengineering 9 күн бұрын
Schedule 40 and 80 is enough for 40 to 60psi easily. If you have ever seen a potato cannon built from Schedule 40, you know the psi that it handles far exceeds 40 to 60psi. Not saying it was meant for that application but the low pressure he is using of 40psi is reasonably safe for the pipe he is using. I don't think it will fail any time soon aside from hitting it with a hammer and cracking it, it should easily handle that pressure. Just going off real world testing and experience. Nothing scientific about it, but it has been tested and 40psi is acceptable for these pipes. If you find one that fails at 40psi I would love to see it. The water rating for schedule 40 on 3.5in is about 240 or 260psi. So it's a decent margin.
@teresashinkansen9402
@teresashinkansen9402 7 күн бұрын
I think something to have in mind is the pressure swings can induce significant material fatigue so i think the tanks should have a large safety margin on their pressure rating to compensate for the cycling stress.
@hl6735
@hl6735 10 күн бұрын
I usually don't interact much on youtube but wanted to leave a comment because your channel is criminally underrated. Great production value and extremely interesting projects, keep it up!
@idemanddonuts
@idemanddonuts 9 күн бұрын
I'm new to the channel and 30 seconds in after seeing the thumbnail. I think I'm going to agree with ya
@cerberes
@cerberes 9 күн бұрын
At the beverage company I work for we’re installing a large one of these to create a pure nitrogen gas flow to replace Co2 in some of our processes.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
Oh that's cool! Yeah, I looked around at the websites for some of the companies that design PSA plants for manufacturing environments and they get pretty serious!
@newmonengineering
@newmonengineering 9 күн бұрын
So nitrogen infused beer is what you serve up? I'm just guessing but it has been a trend in the past decade or so. I know other beverages use nitrogen as well now. So does the nitrogen work the same way except you use the exhaust instead of the oxygen ports?
@Kawka1122
@Kawka1122 8 күн бұрын
Don't drink nitrogen infused beer. It will contain nitric acid which can dissolve 10 meter of concrete when placed in Wyoming!!!!
@jonasstahl9826
@jonasstahl9826 8 күн бұрын
​@@newmonengineeringSame way, you need to use a different Zeolith that traps Oxygen
@jonasstahl9826
@jonasstahl9826 8 күн бұрын
​@@newmonengineeringThe Nitrogen is probably for flushing the storage tanks, you dont want beer to come in contact with air since it can effect the taste. So you need to flush out all the air with some other gas.
@dev-debug
@dev-debug 8 күн бұрын
I never heard of the Oxikit, think I will build one but just use my shop compressor. Never fails my oxygen tank is empty when i need it. You did a really good explanation of how it works ! You can clean out and use a condensor from a car air conditioner, got mine from junk yard. Far more efficient than the copper pipe. We get a lot of high humidity days so water in the compressor tank was always an issue for me. I run the output of the condensor into 2" black iron pipe that is jacketed with 4" PVC pipe using rubber couplers. It's filled with coolant that circulates when compressor kicks on. It's rare I ever have water in my main air tank since making that. I have a 60 gallon compressor so you may be able to scale down the size of the pipe and still catch a lot of the condensation.
@hardwareful
@hardwareful 8 күн бұрын
lesson learned, always throw in an extra audio recorder as a backup
@James-gl1vi
@James-gl1vi 7 күн бұрын
Awesome video. May the algorithm favor you.
@throngcleaver
@throngcleaver 10 күн бұрын
I'm not sure why YT graced me with this video, but I'm glad they did! Great project, great video format, and that got you a new sub. 👍
@christopherjordan2787
@christopherjordan2787 9 күн бұрын
Another thing to note because I didn't hear you say it in your warning about breathing this air: make sure you are using a specific breathing air air compressor. Most air compressors, even oil free ones, are not meant to make breathing air and can be dangerous to breathe from. There are specific kinds of air compressors for these applications you should look for
@steveh8724
@steveh8724 14 минут бұрын
Absolutely correct. But unless you're part of a national emergency like COVID was, I would simply not use DIY to make O2 for ANY use that involves HUMANS (or pets) breathing the output. There are simply too many potential health threats that could emerge.
@IXIOM
@IXIOM 3 күн бұрын
For something that got randomly recommended to me on KZfaq this is great stuff! Love the content!
@billdoodson4232
@billdoodson4232 7 күн бұрын
Nice little project. Here in the UK, I'd call the trolley a Sack Cart.
@schnauzpig
@schnauzpig 26 минут бұрын
Never thought anything good would have come out of Covid. Nice video.
@zyeborm
@zyeborm 10 күн бұрын
I want to make a really small one of these but in reverse, you can make a fairly inert nitrogen supply using the same hardware. It's total overkill but i want a nitrogen purge on my soldering iron. 😂
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 10 күн бұрын
I've started to look into what it would take to collect the purge gas from this machine and dry it for similar purposes (filling my high vacuum equipment when I bring it up to atmosphere)
@adamputnam341
@adamputnam341 4 күн бұрын
@@SignalDitch How oxygen-free is the waste nitrogen stream? Good enough to use as an inert gas purge for food storage?
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 10 күн бұрын
That's a damn nice project - should get you going with those oxy-propane burners for sure! I really like the pneumatic and automation design, and placing it all on a dolly is very practical too. Take it right where you need it :).
@steveh8724
@steveh8724 12 минут бұрын
Err, that's a hand truck, not a dolly.
@GTS00000
@GTS00000 11 күн бұрын
Amazing! Missed your content!
@andrewdegozaru74
@andrewdegozaru74 3 күн бұрын
Really interesting project. I've saved it in my playlist, passed it on to a couple of mates to watch and subbed.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 3 күн бұрын
I appreciate it, glad you enjoyed!
@AdvancedTinkering
@AdvancedTinkering 10 күн бұрын
As always, a great video and an impressive build! I also wanted to build a concentrator, but considering the fact that you can get used medical devices for very little money, it wasn't worth it for me. However, if you need a very large or modular concentrator, a DIY build is certainly the better option. Regarding the oil-filled pressure gauges. I thought the oil doesn't come into contact with the gas (if the pressure gauge is intact). Or am I mistaken? Of course, it's still better to completely avoid (regular) oil in a system with oxygen. Anyway, great video!
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 10 күн бұрын
Thank you! It has become more difficult to buy a used oxygen concentrator in the USA because medical oxygen is controlled by our FDA as a prescription therapy, and they began strictly enforcing this during COVID for fear that people would use unprescribed oxygen unnecessarily and injur themselves. It used to be very easy, with listings for used concentrators often showing up on eBay and Facebook marketplace. I don't mind breaking the law, and I would happily buy someone's used machine, it's just that they get delisted from marketplaces now. This is why whenever I talk about this project online, there is an army of people who tell me, "Just buy a used medical unit 5head" Regarding oil-filled gauges, you're correct that the oil should never normally come into contact with the process gas. I think I had a take where I said that, and it got lost in editing. As you mentioned, though, it's best to avoid any scenario where oil and oxygen could mix under pressure. Ideally, all of the cheap pneumatic fittings would be washed in degreaser to remove any oil, but I didn't go that far. I appreciate the comment, and I'm glad you enjoyed the project. Your videos are always a treat!
@klausnielsen1537
@klausnielsen1537 7 күн бұрын
Hell of a project to pull off! Great video, great project, well executed and swiftly but accurately described. 100% subscribed!!
@HenryKlausEsq.
@HenryKlausEsq. 7 күн бұрын
Subbed. Love it when I find gem channels like this.
@Metalwolf765
@Metalwolf765 6 сағат бұрын
That was cool, exactly the right kind of needing out for me. Subbed!
@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555
@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 6 күн бұрын
Great video.
@TheOpticalFreak
@TheOpticalFreak 8 күн бұрын
Lol the moment you started talking about Oxygen you choked your mic! 😂
@NicolasBana
@NicolasBana 9 күн бұрын
15:40 It's been so long since i've since someone reference steve1989 ! Love what you made, this is a really cool apparatus and professional-grade ! I woukld have added put the safety valve right side up because i don't think having water standing in it is very good for it. I'm curious about the performance of it ! Also, even pressure-rated PVC will have fatigue stress, i've seen a video of a guy doing his DIY water/air separator/dryer combo system entirely out of pressure rated PVC and it had a rapid unscheduled disassembly after a few thousand pressure cycles. At 30 psi it may take a very long time and it will not be extremely violent but still, you need to be careful of it when it happens. Maybe wrap a couple turns of tape aroud the tubes to be extra safe.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
Steve is the man! Both "nice hiss" and "let's get that on to a tray" come up surprisingly often in my day to day life. You make a good point about the safety valve, I didn't think about that, it's easy enough to take a wrench and turn that upright. As for the PVC fatigue failure, that's interesting, I didn't consider the effect of pressure cycling. I'm not convinced that 30 psi hits the threshold for that type of fatigue to set in, but maybe with oxygen embrittlement(?) I could see it. Yeah, maybe I'll wrap a few turns of tape around them or put a big piece of techflex over each one to contain them when they do fail. It seems safer to do that than to try to wrap them in composite or something to try to prevent them from failing. Cheers
@Jack_Luck.v2
@Jack_Luck.v2 9 күн бұрын
I was hoping someone would bring the steve1989 reference up
@NicolasBana
@NicolasBana 8 күн бұрын
​@@SignalDitch From what i could read, PVC is quite resistant to oxygen, embrittlement is mostly a problem with flexible PVC by degradation of the plasticizers. Also at 30 psi, you're at 15% of the rated (static) pressure of a 3" schedule 40 so you might be good, but my motto is better safe than sorry. Especially with oxygen, where a leak when you have a flame nearby is going to have far worse consequences. Always great to see creators taking feedback from the community ! Stay safe out there.
@bmobert
@bmobert 8 күн бұрын
Very cool. Thank you.
@davekendall9749
@davekendall9749 6 күн бұрын
You should soon hit a well deserved thousand likes with this video very interesting 👍
@DaveEtchells
@DaveEtchells 9 күн бұрын
Very cool project! I’d known about oxygen concentrators using zeolite, but had no idea of the details!
@paranoidzkitszo
@paranoidzkitszo 4 күн бұрын
Pro tip- fill the copper pipe with sand....if requiring to create nice round, tight bends or loops. Shape the pipe with the sand filled within it. This will almost completely remove the chance the pipe will crimp down on tighter bends.... you will have nice and smooth and round piping...remove sand when finished.
@puntabachata
@puntabachata 7 күн бұрын
Great project! Love you in Highlander ;)
@dakata2416
@dakata2416 11 күн бұрын
I'm glad you're back! 😁
@davidbwa
@davidbwa 9 күн бұрын
Interesting. I knew about molecular sieves but it was interesting to see a detailed breakdown of your build.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
Yeah, they call the machine an oxygen concentrator but really it should be called a molecular sieve babysitter. The sieves do all the magic!
@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542
@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542 8 күн бұрын
I need one of those for my shop!!!
@fisherteladi1837
@fisherteladi1837 4 күн бұрын
I'm always surprised on how precise you choose topics that have my main interest. That's something awesome with you. You disappear and when you come back it's with something really big. Really thank you. It reminds me by the way of the glass lathe project. Are you still on it?
@Fragamacrunch
@Fragamacrunch 9 күн бұрын
Return of the king
@benmorris4611
@benmorris4611 8 күн бұрын
EXCELLENT
@JulianMakes
@JulianMakes 7 күн бұрын
Very very interesting! I was a little lost on your diagrams of the machine, i didn’t get time to find the bits you were talking about, if you highlight your mouse you could use it as a pointer to point to the bit your talking about, which would help the older folk like me :) this was an awesome project. Very very well done bravo!
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 7 күн бұрын
I appreciate that, thank you! I'll try to keep this in mind for future videos. In the meantime, you might enjoy looking at the diagrams and illustration in my blog posts on the project. There's a link in the video description.
@slicedbread9003
@slicedbread9003 5 күн бұрын
Good video. I enjoyed it and all that you went through. For many of us we may not need as much O2 and therefore may be able to use a used oxygen concentrator. The thing is that your video highlights the internal workings of these concentrators. They use the same mechanisms. Your video should be helpful as well to anyone that is using an old medical O2 concentrator for soldering or brazing.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 5 күн бұрын
Thanks, yeah, that's my hope! It made sense in my circumstance, but it's definitely not practical or cost effective for everyone.
@jonahansen
@jonahansen 10 күн бұрын
Very nice!
@joshmyer9
@joshmyer9 9 күн бұрын
Since you seem to care about safety: the blue to pink desiccant starts out a real nice cobalt blue color, because it has cobalt in it. Keep track of which plate you use when drying it in the microwave 😅 (I don't know if this is universal, but the legal-in-Europe versions without toxic heavy metals are different colors. And aren't as gorgeous when dry as a result.)
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
That must be why they taste so good! lol you'd have to ingest a LOT of silica gel to get poisoned from the amount of cobalt chloride in there. That said, heavy metal exposure is usually cumulative so I'm not against being mindful of your exposure. I have a little 700W microwave in the lab with labels all over it that say "NOT FOR FOOD" and there's a little pyrex dish I use just for the task 👍
@DanielinLaTuna
@DanielinLaTuna 7 күн бұрын
Very fascinating. By the way, you remind me of a college friend of mine who was interested in technology, math, and AI. He passed away in his mid forties, unfortunately. You could have been colleagues.
@GalloPazzesco
@GalloPazzesco 8 күн бұрын
Well done, mille gracias. Subscribed, bell rang, commented, liked, upvoted, shared ... may the algorithm gods smile favorably upon your channel.
@evanbarnes9984
@evanbarnes9984 3 күн бұрын
This is the first video of yours I've seen, and I'm only two minutes in, but I love it! Instant sub. Also you look futuristic as fuck, it's great
@JinKee
@JinKee 8 күн бұрын
0:42 propane and propane accessories
@johnkoury1116
@johnkoury1116 10 күн бұрын
Super cool build my friend!! I sourced a used oxygen concentrator and I have been doing research to see if I could substitute larger size zeolite beds. You did such a fantastic job making this video and I am so glad to see you back to making content. I was also able to find a nitrogen "generator" like the one Grant used in the king of random build . I have been busy with other stuff but you have been a n inspiration!!! Thank you so much. Are you in New Jersey? I am in Pennsylvania....My grandfather was friends with an incredible man named Don Smith. Don developed some incredible inventions that revolutionized the way we generate or "energize" power. When Don and my Grandfather were alive I was going to pharmacy school but then became disillusioned with the way medicine is going so I decided to go for my Biochemistry degree. After that I got my Master's and PhD in Chemical engineering. I have recently gotten back into the conversion of atmospheric static electricity into usable dynamic electricity. If you are anywhere near me (outside of Philadelphia) and are interested in what I have accomplished we should get together. We have many of the same interests..lol
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 10 күн бұрын
I'm actually all the way down in southern Virginia! I'm glad you liked the build!
@sirblingjax
@sirblingjax 7 күн бұрын
Hey John I was really interested in your text about mentioning Don Smith. Very much interested in some of his technology I see that your grandfather was good friends with him. There's so much conflicting information out on the internet at some of it has been disinformation. I've been trying to follow some of his techniques and ideas. I have some books as well. Have you done any exploration in Don Smith technology?? I really would like to get to the bottom of the truth. Could you help out??
@johnkoury1116
@johnkoury1116 7 күн бұрын
@@sirblingjax Absolutely my friend! here is a working device. I have pictures and schematics for a bunch of running devices.........kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fKiYi6iel5ragGw.htmlsi=y_p1X2ZheoJYqBL0
@davidcoates4852
@davidcoates4852 2 күн бұрын
Hand truck = sack barrow 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🔧👍
@steveh8724
@steveh8724 22 минут бұрын
Great video! Thanks very much for sharing and especially for the wonderful, high-quality video and narration! Liked & Subscribed! AND thanks very much for the added information in the video description text which fleshes out the narration and clarifies some key points.
@pauldorman
@pauldorman 7 күн бұрын
Awesome
@pauldorman
@pauldorman 7 күн бұрын
Subscribed and looking forward to more of your content. Great video!
@Zuckerkome
@Zuckerkome 7 күн бұрын
Thats clearly the bomb from Rainbow Six Siege
@mnamnam6061
@mnamnam6061 7 күн бұрын
Very impressive and interesting project. Did I miss the part of the clip seing the system run and any words said about the amount of output?
@WarlordEnthusiast
@WarlordEnthusiast 4 күн бұрын
This video gives me an idea that might put me on a watch list. Say you have a large amount of uranium hexafluoride gas and you wanted to purify it to get some U-235, could you not pressurize the gas through zeolite of a certain pore size to trap just the U-235? Sort of like how a centrifuge works, just line up loads of these connected in line and just keep running them in a cycle until all that's left is U-235. Btw, I love your tats!
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, I'm not sure if there's a zeolite that has the selectivity you're looking for, but there are processes that do the same thing with ion-exchange resins. Molecular Sieves _can_ be used to separate U from other stuff, but it would have to be pretty exotic to affect isotope separation, I think. Either way, I hope you use your danger rocks to make clean energy instead of **checks notes** murdering thousands of people.
@WarlordEnthusiast
@WarlordEnthusiast 4 күн бұрын
@SignalDitch all I want is the nuclear powered car that I was promised in the 60's, is that too much to ask? lol
@AM-jw1lo
@AM-jw1lo 8 күн бұрын
I think PVC pipe can hold 80 psi safely, but it would be easy to test a piece to bursting, Your build looks nice. I would liked more details on psi or perhaps showing how big a torch you can run with the system. Also how much sound the system generates at high load. I always wanted to make one, but i also want an oxygen compressor to fill a tank (so i don't have to listen to the compressor running forever).
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 8 күн бұрын
I'm working on a torch manifold that probably isn't worth a whole video, so when I film that, I'll try to address some questions about this project. What is it you want to know about psi? I'll do some tests about flow in the meantime.
@Stevexeairoux-hw8sx
@Stevexeairoux-hw8sx 8 күн бұрын
It's funny that you said that you normally don't pressurize PVC with air usually you pressurize it with water understood yet when I have seen several people use PVC half inch PVC for their compressor for their entire shop and if you read on the PVC it says 600 PSI so that's well over $150 and that's all air compressors ever go up to is 150 I had one air compressor that did 300 but it did 300 on the compressor itself supplying an entire shop with a three tank unit 2 pressure cylinders each with its own compressor unit and a main supply tank that stated a constant 150 psi. And it didn't matter how many tools we were using in that shop we had four bays one air compressor
@michaelardai9703
@michaelardai9703 10 күн бұрын
Dalibor Farny built a larger version of this for his oxygen needs at his nixie factory; he has some videos of it on KZfaq.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 10 күн бұрын
His video was an excellent reference during this project!
@2000freefuel
@2000freefuel 8 күн бұрын
I'd like to see a follow on stage for concentrating the Nitrogen and Argon.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 8 күн бұрын
I would also like to use the nitrogen! Maybe I'll work on that
@en2oh
@en2oh 8 күн бұрын
@@SignalDitch to use this for nitrogen concentrating, look at using carbon molecular beds. It’s also possible to concentrate nitrogen using membrane concentrators. These hollow fiber membranes are pricey but sometimes available used on eBay. They’re currently used a lot for automotive tire filling stations.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch Күн бұрын
@@en2oh Thanks for the tip!
@Electronics-Rocks
@Electronics-Rocks 7 күн бұрын
I used to work on these systems for industry for both O2 & N2 for diving or laser cutters. I would add a bigger buffer tank as piston compressors are designed with 50% duty cycle so 50% working then cool down to get expected life span of 3 years which is not important if you treat the compressor as a consumables!
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 күн бұрын
Hey, I appreciate this. I had the same concern when I was initially evaluating the Oxikit project. The manufacturer recommended continuous runtime on the SP-9421 is actually 30-60 minutes with a 70/30 duty cycle. Considering I'll rarely run the torch for an hour straight and the compressor isn't exactly getting a hot supper here (max system pressure 30psi), I'm not too worried about it. I do have forced air colling on the radiator fins for the compressor heads, though. A larger buffer tank would be nice but it would have to be _much_ larger at only 30psi to supply 15lpm+ for a 30% off cycle.
@u1kim
@u1kim 3 күн бұрын
Thank you for the video. My interest is for nitrogen and wondered if the exhaust output is sufficiently pure nitrogen for oxygen shielding in welding application, or is there a more economical alternative method for removing oxygen?
@sammy5576
@sammy5576 9 күн бұрын
so fliping cool
@waynoswaynos
@waynoswaynos 6 күн бұрын
This is awesome. Inspirational stuff, thank you. But I wonder, for US$1500 in parts and materials plus the amount of hours I would have to put into this to get my 20 litres per minute of oxygen… say it took me 80 hours to complete. In my experience, things take way longer. For example, I study the plans and endeavour to understand the science, do drawings, and spend time thinking and visualising, I search online for the parts, usually from China so they are affordable, but also I need to wait a month sometimes for delivery, then I do the fabricating, testing, changes, upgrades, maintenance, etc. But lets still just say it took only 80 hours, Multiplied by a low hourly rate of 30 bucks per hour, Equals $2400 plus parts $1500, Totals $4k ! Then I look around online and discover I could buy 2 or 3 of the commercially available 9 litre per minute O2 Accumulator Machines, that are quite small and cost US$250 each, that I could plumb together and mount them to the same trolley you have to give me 27 litres per hour. For a third of the money and all that time saved that I could actually spend on practising my glass blowing skills and buying borosilicate tube. I made this very mistake when I made 3 or 4 versions of a large HHO generator cell for welding gas, spending hundreds of hours and eventually succeeding but not with a super reliable machine, and its currently broken! I found a company in Russia that makes pretty much the same thing for the same money I spent on materials. Which will be under warranty for 2 years and reliable. And the manufacture answers my questions. As a bonus I achieve actual results! So, although making stuff provides invaluable knowledge of materials and fabricating, inventing etc, which I am personally wired for and love to spend time with such, doing a feasibility study prior to commencing a project such as this, and being brutally honest with yourself, is very important.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 күн бұрын
This is a great lesson for somebody who makes things to learn. That being said: 1) Assume you have another goal, which is to grow your KZfaq channel and consider which solution is more interesting to watch. 2) "...then I look around online and discover I could buy 2 or 3 of the commercially available 9 litre per hour [sic] O2 Accumulator Machines, that are quite small and cost US$250 each," Did you try to buy them? Or did you just see them for sale? Because those are different things as I discovered last year. 3) I enjoyed doing it. I could also just, you know, buy vacuum tubes. It's pragmatic to do a feasibility study if you're concerned about "productivity" or "efficiency" but this is literally just the stuff I do in my free time to keep me sane.
@waynoswaynos
@waynoswaynos 6 күн бұрын
@@SignalDitchThanks for your reply SignalDitch, re your 3rd point, there is probably is no better reason for the makings, I am there with that but I have time constraints and budget to consider. Re your 2nd point, I fixed my [sic] but maybe this wasn't far from the truth, and no, I've not seen one or used one. Are they terrible? Your honest opinion of them would be great to hear. I met a glass blower close to me (South Island, New Zealand) and she has a small medical O2 Accumulator filling a huge mofo storage tank probably 3 feet across and 3 high that she pumps 24-7 into (didn't get into the details of modifications, pressure shutoff, flashback, etc). And although she might only do a couple of hours of Lampwork per day, it suffices. And to your 1st point, I totally dig it. Its just that people watching may not consider this. I was sharing my views from the point of view of a full time artist/designer/inventor trying to make his way in this bizarre ol world, efficiently. Speaking primarily to other makers that don't have so much skin in the game and meaning no ill toward you all. Its actually awesome and unexpected to get some solid responses from a content creator.
@Wtfinc
@Wtfinc 7 күн бұрын
You make vacuum tubes?! Im sold! I wanna make them too!!!!!!!
@DCBpower
@DCBpower 2 күн бұрын
💡Watch offer-up and occasionally you'll find used medical oxygen concentrators for as low as $50 and sometimes even free.
@ryanbrown982
@ryanbrown982 6 күн бұрын
Any idea what the lpm of output is? I'm curious as to whether ones of these could run a glass torch. Super cool build!
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 күн бұрын
Thanks! I'm still testing, but Oxikit claims it's around 20, so probably nothing _much_ bigger than, say, a Carlisle Wildcat.
@ryanbrown982
@ryanbrown982 6 күн бұрын
@@SignalDitch Gotcha. Once I get setup again, I have a Delta elite, so definitely need more than that. Still, might be possible to hook this to a tank for a home fill setup. Though at that point it's probably worth just buying an oxygen frog. Still super awesome that this is now an accessible open source project!
@spark2957
@spark2957 6 күн бұрын
hi thank you so for the amazing video and all the info can you pls let me know if i can use 6 mm od copper tube instead of 3/4 9.5mm like is mentioned in oxikit website i live in a city Humidity: 69% according to google im just rebuilding a Concentrator that i found in flea market im using it to get the parts i need because everything its expensive if i want to by all new part thank you so much
@ImpactWench
@ImpactWench 8 күн бұрын
0:05 *the audience members who have started running by this point will survive the encounter.
@NEWDIABLO96
@NEWDIABLO96 9 күн бұрын
The amount of details was very well done and extensive I’m not an expert in fluid or gaseous systems but could it possible to keep/save/store the Nitrogen output and to use it in other projects were you need it for is inert properties?
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
Theoretically, yeah you could! I've been looking into whether it's practical in my shop because I could use dry nitrogen for when I have to leak up my high vacuum equipment.
@NEWDIABLO96
@NEWDIABLO96 9 күн бұрын
Cool, I was thinking about inert gas for lasers cutting / CNC I’m wondering if the risk associated to fire hazard by a system failure pushing oxygen instead of Nitrogen is too high
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 8 күн бұрын
That's a good thought. I suppose you could put an in-line oxygen concentration sensor behind a buffer tank so if it detects more than a few percent of O2 it can trigger some valves to shut off the shielding gas line, dump the buffer tank, and e-stop the cutter? Not sure if it's worth it, but might be fun anyway
@justingrey6008
@justingrey6008 7 күн бұрын
I think I have almost everything i need to make this except the zeolite. Don't see the need for the Arduino though, just some simple timers can do it
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 7 күн бұрын
Yeah, timers would do the job fine
@justingrey6008
@justingrey6008 7 күн бұрын
@@SignalDitch running it thought in my head, just a 555 and a pot to dial in the cycle time. Probably going to order stuff this weekend and see what foolishness I can deliver.
@ianleitch9960
@ianleitch9960 8 күн бұрын
In the UK your 2 wheeled dolly is known as a sack truck . . . probably among other things.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 8 күн бұрын
I like that
@JagerEinheit
@JagerEinheit 5 сағат бұрын
Would a version 2.0 include an air conditioner in the path of the air you are ingesting help? I know a/c is great for dehumidifying , and my brain is trying to fit one in after your dessicant issues in the SE USA was noted. They make portable A/c units that you could pipe the output directly into your intake potentially. Likely overcomplicating your design, but I thought I'd ask anyway. Great video regardless.
@InductorMan
@InductorMan 6 күн бұрын
Sweet! I wonder if there's a cheap way to pre-desiccate your air so your dryer doesn't saturate as quickly, using crushed ice? Air that's flowed over crushed ice has very low absolute humidity (at least once the fog droplets have separated out). Maybe a cooler full of crushed ice, with a perforated false bottom to create an air plenum? Honestly not sure whether this is actually more convenient than just regenerating the desiccant though, that sounds pretty easy and ice is a consumable one would need to go get.
@kayakMike1000
@kayakMike1000 6 сағат бұрын
I think you could use a few tanks of desicant. Once one tank of desicant is too full of water, maybe it cycles with reasonable warming coils to purge the water out.
@patrickfrantz2466
@patrickfrantz2466 3 күн бұрын
Some applications may want the low oxygen (N2) output discharge. I have an amazon plasma torch for cutting steel/aluminium/stainless. I am a NOOB with this type of tool. It would be interesting to see if the low O2 air would work well for that application. I noticed when cutting SS that there was a lot of oxidation in the cut. Who knows....?
@justliberty4072
@justliberty4072 7 күн бұрын
A minor correction on your explanation of how the zeolite works to separate air: the Li or Na-X zeolite you are using does not separate O2 and N2 by molecular size, it separates by the N2 sticking to the Li or Na ions in the zeolite more strongly than do the O2 molecules. It is an "equilibrium" separation, not a size-based or kinetic separation.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 7 күн бұрын
That's fascinating. I knew that Li/LiAgX zeolites outperformed NaX in O2-N2 selectivity because of electrostatic and ion-exchange interactions, but I thought that was just enhancing a mechanical adsorption effect. I see now that ion exchange is actually the whole mechanism. I'll read up on this because it has interesting consequences for the questions people are asking about, for example, Ar-O2 selectivity. I'll address this in the follow up video, thanks!
@MrGBigg
@MrGBigg 10 күн бұрын
do the little portable oxygen generators some people use work on the same concept? On my submarine the air dryer for our HP air works on almost the exact same system but is using desiccant instead of sieves and in manually changed over every couple of hours.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 10 күн бұрын
I'm fairly certain this is the principle behind most if not all medical oxygen concentrators, even those little purse-sized battery-powered ones. Interesting to hear about your air-drying system. Yeah, PSA is used for a handful of things besides oxygen separation depending on the media in the sieve beds!
@bobw222
@bobw222 6 күн бұрын
Is the output sufficient to run the torch with Acetylene and cut steel with it?
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 күн бұрын
Theoretically, yes. Propane actually requires more oxygen for complete combustion than Acetylene. There are some videos that another commenter alerted me to of a guy cutting steel with an oxy-propane torch and oxygen that he compressed from a refurbished medical concentrator. He was having issues (I think due to the condition of his concentrator) with the cut quality.
@zyeborm
@zyeborm 10 күн бұрын
Hey man, small suggestion and i don't know if i just missed it. But it looks like you're going to have live mains on the screw terminals on your rail there. Might be an idea to cover those, i know right now you'll be careful around it but in a years time if someone brushes against it they could have a bad day.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 10 күн бұрын
Those screw terminals are pretty well recessed. You'd have to really jam your digits in there. But your point is well taken, I'll probably print some nice covers for the wiring before the next time this thing appears on video 👍
@A3Kr0n
@A3Kr0n 7 күн бұрын
I wouldn't want to breathe it either without a CO sensor on it. Compressors can make that, as I'm sure you know.
@wcglass
@wcglass 4 күн бұрын
I bought a medical oxygen concentration system for my glass shop last year i wonder if this would have been more or less cost effective.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 4 күн бұрын
If you got a good deal on it and it's been working for you then you probably did well. Part of the audio I lost in the microphone issue was me explaining why I decided to build instead of buy and I still recommend buying if you can and if you know how or are willing to learn how to service the commercial one.
@grantmacdonald4838
@grantmacdonald4838 7 күн бұрын
Is there a way to adjust the cycle to output lower oxygen content at higher flow rate?
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 7 күн бұрын
Theoretically, yes. Shorter cycles at higher flow should result in lower concentration.
@grantmacdonald4838
@grantmacdonald4838 7 күн бұрын
@@SignalDitch that would be very useful for some applications!
@aggese
@aggese 6 күн бұрын
Wouldent a one way valve be usefull right befure the buffer?
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 күн бұрын
Maybe!
@Tibbs_Farm
@Tibbs_Farm Күн бұрын
So with very little modification, couldn't you extract the nitrogen exhaust and pump it into an air compressor and have NEA. Maybe have another stage of zeolite to get closer to N2 in your air compressor. 2 bangs 1 buck. N2 and O2 in separate containers.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch Күн бұрын
Yeah, in theory, you could certainly do that
@TheBrick2
@TheBrick2 3 сағат бұрын
Cool project well explained, nicly put together in a compact package. Do you think that would have enough flow for cutting? I suppose with a larger filter and acumulator it could up flow rate. In the UK we would call your trolly "sack trucks" (point of interest, not a criticism of some bullshit UK terminlogy vs North Ameriacan termnology). P.S.Love the tats on your fingers. I always fancied e^i pi as in a preveosue life I was a mathermetician for a few years post uni. P.P.S. Excuse the spelling Spell check has stopped working on youtube comments for me!
@BryanTorok
@BryanTorok 8 күн бұрын
For many ears I wondered if one of the health related oxygen concentrators would work for providing oxygen for brazing or soldering. I just did a quick Google search and found a home units that deliver 5 liters per minute (5 LPM) for $550. In fact there a number of them in that class for as low as $300. How do I find out if that is enough oxygen for a given size of torch?
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 7 күн бұрын
Some manufacturers will give recommended flows and pressures for their torches. Alternately, if you already have a torch, you could just measure it with a flowmeter from an O2 tank. 5lpm is just enough to run a very small torch (look up the Smith Little torch) you really need 10-15lpm minimum to do anything beyond jewelry. You can chain the outputs of multiple concentrators together, though! If you can really get you hands on those medical concentrators, they're not a bad deal. If you're in the US, beware that many of the legitimate listings have been taken down as the FDA cracked down on the sale of Class II medical devices without a prescription during COVID.
@BryanTorok
@BryanTorok 6 күн бұрын
@@SignalDitch Tnx for the info. It seems that for the amount that I need and as much as I would use it, buying a small tank and getting it filled will probably be the most economical option.
@fgbhrl4907
@fgbhrl4907 10 күн бұрын
Is there a way to measure the oxygen percentage / purity?
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 10 күн бұрын
For somewhere between 100-200USD you can get a "cheap" version of the little machine that's used to test medical concentrators. Electrochemical and ultrasonic sensors can both be used to determine oxygen concentration in air. If you're clever with chemistry, you could probably come up with a bench test that has to do with bubbling a known volume of gas through a solution and then weighing the solution, or a precipitate therein. For my purposes, it's good enough that it can completely combust the torch fuel, but I may do some testing with a flow meter and a purity meter when I can afford it. For reference, Oxikit claims to have tested the design that this is built from to 20 LPM@94%
@febra7706
@febra7706 9 күн бұрын
maybe a stupid question: couldnt it cause problems for the over pessure valve to be flooded all the time ( the bottom one seen at 18:00)
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
Not a stupid question at all, someone else pointed that out as well. Theoretically, not a problem. It just sprays water on overpressure, it's made out of brass so it won't rust shut. Practically? I don't know what the spring is made of, so it could kill it over time but at least it would fail open. The verdict? I'll just give that tee a half turn so the valve is pointing up, lol
@johnmarkgatti3324
@johnmarkgatti3324 8 күн бұрын
Great vid and project , those indians ,get things done with minimal fancy expensive 'stuff ' . My question is how does oxy-propane welding perform cf oxy acetylene , as you say the renta bottle crowd have priced a sometime user out of the market .
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 8 күн бұрын
I can't say specifically because I mainly work glass, but my understanding is that propane requires more O2 per unit of gas and never gets quite as hot. That said, people run cutting torches on it, so i guess it works.
@johnmarkgatti3324
@johnmarkgatti3324 8 күн бұрын
@@SignalDitch Ta , hopefully people are trying it ,will have a look , but looks like you were getting a good colour of flame so no hydrogen embrittlement , the main problem so far as I know , after that heat is heat me thinks . and had to chuckle at your factual breakdown of air , not even mentioning the huge boggy man of CO2 ,as it is a miniscule % ,which plants need ,so we do too ,but the idea of it being hazard is total bunk ,actually funny , we would stop breathing if it wasn't there !?.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 күн бұрын
A number being small without context means nothing. You must understand that no one is saying that all CO2 needs to be removed from the atmosphere. Anthropogenic climate change is a verifiable scientific reality.
@peterhagen7258
@peterhagen7258 7 күн бұрын
LOL; that's almost exactly the same as the system a place I worked at had to fill pipes with nitrogen. I guess it just depends on when you save the gas & when you just dump it back to the atmosphere. See South-Tek N2 Blaster. Maybe you can save bot the N2 and the O2. But how about all the other 'impurities' like CO2, CO...
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 7 күн бұрын
Yeah, that totally makes sense, it's just a gas separator, so depending on what you "keep" it's either a nitrogen concentrator or an oxygen concentrator, lol. As for impurities, CO2 and CO make up an incredibly small amount of atmospheric air. That said, they're reactive, so you can remove them with chemical scrubbers or catalytic converters. The hard stuff to separate is the noble gasses. Some zeolites have an unbalanced Ar-O2 selectivity, so they could be used to progressively separate the two after a series of cycles.
@JustAverageJeff
@JustAverageJeff 2 күн бұрын
I love your tattoo's!
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 2 күн бұрын
Thanks! My head piece was done by Brad Wooten, if you like the style you should look him up!
@killerwall11
@killerwall11 9 күн бұрын
why not run the machine in an AC environment and store the oxygen in a tank?
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
What I may end up doing is running it in an air conditioned room in the lab and run a line from it to my torch manifold, at least during the hot season. I don't want to get into the complexity of "store the oxygen in a tank," Finding an oil-free compressor that can do high enough pressure to put a useful amount of O2 in a bottle seems like a challenge (and dangerous)
@ulwur
@ulwur 21 сағат бұрын
I especially like the exposed parts of the live wires at the solid state relay.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 18 сағат бұрын
I especially like the sarcastic comments
@MrJamesbondo07
@MrJamesbondo07 9 күн бұрын
hmm, i wonder if you could use this concept to safely gather methane from the open air? There are so many places were methane is burned on sight with no gain just because it simply be bottled
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
I looked around and there are some papers on it. It seems like PSA is used a lot to separate Methane/Nitrogen mixtures. Like most problems, I don't think there's a technical barrier to capturing methane right now, just a capital barrier.
@bigguy8586
@bigguy8586 6 күн бұрын
if the zeolite is dangerous, how will that be great for hospital? How do you know you got it 100% out of finished product? Just a filter doesnt give me 100% assurance.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 күн бұрын
This is the way that almost all on-premise medical oxygen in the world is generated (bottled oxygen is often fractionally cryo distilled) It's only dangerous because it's a rock, and breathing rock dust is bad. A mechanical filter is the best (and only?) way to remove it. We're talking about relatively massive particulates in the world of air filtration.
@rossbixley3173
@rossbixley3173 8 күн бұрын
Thought you might be getting too much oxygen the way the video was spinning.
@HenryKlausEsq.
@HenryKlausEsq. 7 күн бұрын
Nice hiss. No gusset.
@user-ye1qp5mi4j
@user-ye1qp5mi4j 8 күн бұрын
OMG. Where did u get Zheleznogorsk flag?
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 9 күн бұрын
Now you need to work out how to distil your own fuel. ;)
@petrbrazda1064
@petrbrazda1064 8 күн бұрын
I do not know how do you manage to get CO2 completely out of equation.
@NicolasBana
@NicolasBana 8 күн бұрын
What CO2 ? Atmospheric CO2 is a minuscule fraction of the air we breathe.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 8 күн бұрын
It's part of that 1% "other stuff" that's mostly Argon (CO2 is the next largest slice of that pie at only 0.04%)
@thesciencefurry
@thesciencefurry 10 күн бұрын
I was wondering if you could use vacuum to get rid of the nitrogen. But looking at it, if that would work it wouldn't be less complicated. Or in fact more comlicated if the vacuum and pressure pump are not the same unit. Too bad it can't be simplified more to have just one sieve bed and less valves.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 10 күн бұрын
Yes, there is a process called "Vacuum Swing Adsorption," but you're right, it's not as easy to implement, and we need the output gas to be under some pressure anyway. I agree, I wish it were simpler. It's possible you could do something clever with a larger buffer tank, more pin-hole orifices, and one big multi-position valve to allow one sieve bed to cycle itself, but I'm not sure it's worth it or actually reduces the complexity.
@Live.Vibe.Lasers
@Live.Vibe.Lasers 3 күн бұрын
20:40 an oil (glycerine) filled gauge..the oil is confined to the outside of the Bourdon tube. unless the Bourdon tube develops a leak..no risk.
@ulwur
@ulwur 21 сағат бұрын
Exactly. And If the bordoun tube is leaking the entire gage will pop open.
@jheissjr
@jheissjr 9 күн бұрын
TDM88 investigated and tested cutting steel with propane and oxygen from a concentrator. He concluded oxygen from a concentrator has too many impurities and produces poor cuts compared to buying oxygen from a welding store. What are your observations from cutting with concentrator oxygen? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbaFfsWSyqmuoKs.html and kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e52dls6oypbIkWw.html
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 9 күн бұрын
I don't cut steel with it so I can't tell you. I'd be interested to see the oxygen purity on his refurb Invacare unit verified by something other than the sensor in the compressor, just to see if it really is down to poor separation. He might try running acetylene instead of propane to see if he can make up the energy difference. That's an interesting mystery, though, I'd like to see him do some more experiments to figure out what exactly is causing the poor cut quality.
@kayakMike1000
@kayakMike1000 6 сағат бұрын
1300 bucks???
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 сағат бұрын
You never told me what you wanted it to cost so... I had to guess 👉👈 I've published a complete Bill of Materials in the github repo linked under the video. I'm sure if you look through it you'll be able to find cheaper alternatives to some of the parts, especially if you can source them locally/second-hand/salvage.
@RA-II
@RA-II 3 күн бұрын
Can you oxygen pressure gauges?
@jamest.5001
@jamest.5001 7 күн бұрын
Wouldn't electrolysis be more efficient? And cheaper. Use a bunch of carbon, graphite, or stainless , a low voltage high current power supply. Release the hydrogen, or not. A HHO torch is exceptionally hot. Use a compressor to fill tractor inner tubes at low pressure and make it as needed basically. Maybe use a propane tank for o2. Or use this to make your system more efficient. Taking in about 40% o2, over the 20-22%
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 7 күн бұрын
I looked into electrolysis while I was exploring my options, and I never got into figuring out whether it was more efficient from an energy perspective because it was such a pain from a maintenance perspective. Even in the best case, you'll be replacing electrodes and cleaning the cells quite a bit. In my case, I'm on well water, so I it would be a nightmare. I also found that an electrolytic cell (or collection thereof) capable of supplying the flows and pressures necessary is basically impractical, so you do need to store the gas as you mentioned. O2 does not liquify at atmospheric pressure and temperature, as you know, so it's hard to store a practical volume in a gasometer or an inner tube (the latter is often full of oil from air compressors, not sure I'd fill it with O2) and a propane tank simply won't hold the pressures that would be required to store a useful amount of oxygen. On top of that, the gas comes out wet! Because of the heat capacity of water, you really don't want a lot of it in your torch gas if you can help it. A small HHO torch might be useful for things like blowing holes in glass and making seals. Hydrogen is used in the industry for some types of glasswork. You do need to be mindful of the chemistry (the hydrogen will reduce the metals out of some types of glass and discolor them), but I could see myself building a little HHO torch in the future.
@robertpeters9438
@robertpeters9438 18 сағат бұрын
Your oxygen tank is a muffler.
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 сағат бұрын
Muffler? I hardly etc.
@clownbooface2624
@clownbooface2624 7 күн бұрын
Came for the tech, got distracted by the drawings
@SignalDitch
@SignalDitch 6 күн бұрын
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