Building another air cleaner to use in my main shop to increase the air cleaning capacity woodgears.ca/dust/cleaner.html
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@metamech73838 жыл бұрын
Matthias, my wife hates you for giving me the idea to salvage things, but now I have so many cool motors, capacitors, transformers...I'm up to my 6th microwave find. Thanks to your motor explanations I've figured out how to reverse engineer motors. Think I'll use an old dishwasher motor and make me an air purifier like yours.
@JosephLorentzen5 жыл бұрын
How did it turn out?
@superjojo5554 жыл бұрын
his wife left him
@Absfor302 жыл бұрын
@@superjojo555 I just laughed soo hard at this comment I spilt my drink!
@onjit8 жыл бұрын
Why have I been watching your videos for over a year I don't even do any woodworking or anything.
@metamech73838 жыл бұрын
Is it because Matthias looks so much like Rick Moranis?
@TheDirtFighter8 жыл бұрын
DUDE!!! you are so right!!!...Strange Brew ehh, there's a mouse in my beer hoser
@st_us8 жыл бұрын
I just love the small tips he mentions every now and then. I also never did wood working in my life
@mikeabe8 жыл бұрын
Because Matthias is a genius
@CSSIandAssociate7 жыл бұрын
Onjit dude you are so funny. However, our KZfaq friend Mathias "Is Worth Watching" enjoy....
@lauravitoria25378 жыл бұрын
Good afternoon! I know you're a busy man, but I want to share with you my happiness to be learning how to work with wood and you're part of this learning, thank you! The Google translation is not good, sometimes the texts do not make sense, for example I can not know what kind of wood you use, but overall has been very good. Once again, thank you!
@Femmpaws8 жыл бұрын
Matthias nice work I have done the box fan thing as well. What I found is if you pit a ring around the fan blades about 30 to 40 mm deep and clear the tips by about 5 mm you should stop the losses. The other trick is to put the ring past the fan tips by 10 to 15 mm so the fan is blowing through the ring so it acts like a venturi. You would need to round the corners for better air flow. This is the trick I used on box fans to clean the fiberglass dust out of the air from grinding.
@txkflierАй бұрын
Another great video, of course. Hanging it using pieces of inner tube was pure genius..
@BradleyMakesThings8 жыл бұрын
Awesome, Matthias! Love how your videos are part woodworking, part diy and part science class. Great stuff!
@droko98 жыл бұрын
We just gonna ignore that perfect circle he cut?
@piercenewby24064 жыл бұрын
holy crap, i just watched that part haha
@edgarquintana82004 жыл бұрын
Best coment ever jajajaj
@PT10408 жыл бұрын
Wow, I chuckled at the rubber mounts at the end of the vid. Just a reminder of how much you really think about your ideas. Very cool! Makes me want to build one of these even though I don't have a shop yet!
@sjem6187 жыл бұрын
Hi Matthias, firstly I wanted to say that I think your projects are great! Concerning the efficiency of your fan, I do not know much about air fans. But I am a mariner on a tugboat so I know something about propellors. Normal cargoships have a propellor similar to your fan and are designed for maximal efficiency with minimal fuel consumption. However, I work on a tug, which means the propellors have to provide maximum pulling power. For obtaining this a nozzle is fitted around the propeller which enhances waterflow for more pulling power. I think that if you experiment with a nozzle fitted tight around your fan, you might get more suction. Maybe you have to sand off the ends of the propellor blades to make it fit more tight in the nozzle. I think they call it a ducted fan. Looks like it is a nice project to do on the wood lathe. ;)
@itsgeegra8 жыл бұрын
Almost no knowledge of woodworking but your videos are radical and I'm learning a whole lot! Keep up the good work!
@ProdigalPorcupine8 жыл бұрын
Just a word of warning. If this is a typical cheap fan domestic motor, the bearings are often seriously prone to gumming up and seizing. I've kept my fans running by maintaining them when the speed starts to drop or they spin down too quickly when switched off, but it's a pain as they have to be dismantled, then the shaft and bearings cleaned and relubed. I can see wood dust causing problems very quickly, especially as it will be quite happy to stick to the oily bearings. Anyway, nice project as always, keep a close eye on the fan motor, though!
@___echo___ Жыл бұрын
I don't know if that would be an issue in this case though, considering the air blowing past the motor will have just gone through the filter
@krishnasheela6 жыл бұрын
I am a mathematician,I get attracted towards all your videos for you use precision in all your works to bring out beautiful objects!
@howardwhite97738 жыл бұрын
Chaos area? I think that defines most of the work spaces for the rest of us...
@nickguy68208 жыл бұрын
Yep. His chaos area looks like my "designated clean spot".
@kafeltz8 жыл бұрын
I learnt a lot when I took off the grid from my fan. The air wasn't far enough and I learnt that the grid and rings did this job. I really love to learn things that some engineer already knew before you.
@monkeyvideo10298 жыл бұрын
Matthias- I love your ingenuity and DIY approach to things. I wanted to pass on some info about your dust cleaners that many woodworkers are not aware of. My father was an engineer and woodworker and did a lot of research on the matter after a friend contracted a lung disease from dust particles. First the motor used is a fire hazard. As another viewer wrote the dust getting through or around the filter will collect on the oily 'open motor'. This is why furnaces and commercial dust boxes use a squirrel cage style motor, where the air does not pass over the motor (I actually use an old furnace motor in my shop dust collector). Second and equally important is the false sense of security that if you don't see dust I don't need a mask. Unfortunately, the big dust our body can filter out it is the fine dust we can't see that gets into our lungs and causes problems. So please use a squirrel cage motor design and a mask! BTW - there is a site by Bill Pentz taking about shop dust and has a lot of filtration information.
@tjfSIM8 жыл бұрын
There is something very satisfying about this video, how all the pieces slot together so neatly. You are a master craftsman Matthias!
@mogbaba8 жыл бұрын
You are not only very talented but have a nice sense of humor as well.
@1crazynordlander8 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard the term "interference fit" since tech school!
@freesaxon8 жыл бұрын
love the simplicity of the anti vibration mount
@Odood198 жыл бұрын
I duct-taped the grill of my box fan to round the corners on the front, and pressure holds the filter to the back. It's a great way to de-must a room
@hanvyj28 жыл бұрын
I'm halfway through making one of these after watching your last one a few months ago, really useful.
@arandafotografia8 жыл бұрын
Another one?. You have the cleanest shop in the world!. Greetings from Spain.
@frollard8 жыл бұрын
Your air filters inspired me to design one for our makerspace 3d printer room; using a squirrel cage bathroom fan for static pressure, it holds 2x 20x25x5 filters giving not a tonne of airflow but enough to positively pressure the room with clean air. With the door on a closer the workshop dust will stay on the dirty side and the printing room can stay clean.
@southsidedojo28 жыл бұрын
That tells me you have a real shop. Not a studio. Keep up the awesome work!
@mattpaff78198 жыл бұрын
I don't know why but I really enjoy watching you make these air filters!!!
@9nine9178 жыл бұрын
Wack on the motor to align bearing, was a priceless tip! Thanks a lot for this. Also, if I may suggest, you could gather all of those useful tips and put in one video. Similar to what Jimmy Diresta did... I personally referred back to his videos quite a few times, which made my life easier in many occasions.
@grayem768 жыл бұрын
it is ok to have a chaos corner matthias you're still 90% cleaner than me and my shed i think i have more spiders than materials but im a metal worker still love to watch your videos
@rdouthwaite8 жыл бұрын
My designated chaos area IS my shop! ;-)
@user-dm7bs5jl1h7 жыл бұрын
+Lavre لحه
@chriss20317 жыл бұрын
Just incooperate the spiders into your projects. :P
@ismaelvarela76387 жыл бұрын
Im not a wood or metal worker but i enjoy these videos
@loadzofhobbies42197 жыл бұрын
is he at yours?
@Pacwind318 жыл бұрын
Matthias, you rocked it as usual. Brilliant.
@MrTooTechnical8 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I was in your basement twice. And I saw the chaos area. Your right, it hasn't changed at all
@JackMW19928 жыл бұрын
I use box fans with filters in my apartment to keep the dust down since I don't have central air. I made cardboard baffles in all the corners to encase the fan in effectively a tight fitting tube of cardboard which now moves air through the filter much more efficiently.
@ClickerQuiz8 жыл бұрын
like number 5,300! I've seen photos of air cleaning rigs like this before on the internet, but this is the first instructional video for making one that I have come across. Thank you for making and posting this.
@LiL000JoE8 жыл бұрын
You are so talented and your videos are such a satisfying pleasure to watch. Thank you for uploading! :)
@kenwest73008 жыл бұрын
I knew you weren't happy with the power on the last air cleaner! Thanks for the videos, they are great!
@matthiaswandel8 жыл бұрын
Actually, the last one I built was much more powerful, but it was for my other shop.
@rolandvos8 жыл бұрын
A dedicated chaos area is a must have... I have several I cherish. Thanks for the nice video.
@g81atherton8 жыл бұрын
Wow man, you really do make some elegant looking stuff. I'm gonna have to try this.
@ChrystianGuy7 жыл бұрын
Such a great idea! Thanks again for a very practical project.
@OneManBandWoodworks8 жыл бұрын
New plywood today, pocket screws tomorrow...
@slendy96008 жыл бұрын
LOL
@markm00008 жыл бұрын
Nah I still believe that was reclaimed plywood from something that was fairly new.
@larsmark8 жыл бұрын
I don't know why, but the first time I saw pocket holes being used I was a bit disgusted. Its just a really boring way of jointing stuff together. So I guess I am an anti pocket hole guy...
@CommodoreFluffy8 жыл бұрын
I love these videos, really interesting stuff about the flow direction. Maybe if you want to limit inefficiencies from the venturi effect you could install a diffuser on the outlet? Alternatively a long exit tube would decrease negative outlet flux, and could be easily fashioned from a bucket.
@alaric_8 жыл бұрын
thumbs up for the chaos area :D
@pixelkatten8 жыл бұрын
Don't be embarrassed about having a chaos area, Matthias! It's the neat freaks you have to look out for...
@ShaneMatthews278 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel an hour ago and I already love it!
@yunus60094 жыл бұрын
3 years ago
@learnerlearns8 жыл бұрын
Informative and clever as always! I really like that ceiling mount with vibration isolation! Also, your "designated chaos area" looks like my entire shop. ;-)
@ckookla8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video with great explainations! It always surprises me how much I learn from your amazing experience!!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and sharing the way you trouble shoot! That alone is an art!
@nc38265 жыл бұрын
I had to double check if I was still on your channel Matthias. I see a lot of great projects you designed, but never anything that was this simply straight forward and effective before. Nice to know you can do simpler concept too without to much over-engineering. Nice job.... But with that being said I still would like to see a cyclone ie thein baffle version. Like by turning on its side and placing the inlet on its side with round inner wall with reversed the air flow. And few other modifications. But it wouldn't be that much more complex would it??? Ok its easier to think up this stuff then to make it work :) Keep up the good work. You inspire us. I wonder what next project you do, that will be commercialized like your world changing pantorouter?
@troyna775 жыл бұрын
I like that handle idea as well as the rest of your filter fan.
@THEtechknight7 жыл бұрын
I always liked your ingenuity. Nice!
@EcoMouseChannel8 жыл бұрын
If you don't have any chaos, then you aren't actually working, just cleaning your shop all the time.
@CSWilsonDraws8 жыл бұрын
I really like your ingenuity. And we all need a little "designated chaos area". :)
@SavvasPapasavva8 жыл бұрын
Lol chaos area. I'm making a pleated air filter at the moment, and happen to put the baffle in line with the fan. Should hopefully have the video up at the end of the month.
@MaximKozlovBlog8 жыл бұрын
Cool cleaner!
@ismaelvarela76387 жыл бұрын
I dont have any idea how you do your stuff but I can see you are a very dedicate man... some day ill hope to be like you.
@Greighps7 жыл бұрын
I promise to god your the coolest dude I've ever seen. Seriously. I could only dream to be this damn crafty. you got another subscriber buddy!
@scorinth8 жыл бұрын
Nice beat at 1:59. Can't wait to hear that sampled and put into a track.
@robin888official8 жыл бұрын
I know, right? How about a collaboration with Andrew Huang? %-)
@joeny19804 жыл бұрын
Love the precision of your work. Fair to say that though this is a much more elegant build, a box fan with a baffle added to it could give you similar performance?
@KanıtKaplan8 жыл бұрын
I found your videos too satisfying. Keep going
@andrewkrohn98468 жыл бұрын
The inner tube as vibration dampeners is awesome
@dpmakestuff8 жыл бұрын
Nice build! I think my favorite part was the mounting solution. First time using that?
@SHcinema8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, loved the mount!The most efficient way to have done this airflow wise would have been to make a duct for the fan that attached to the back of the baffle which would be on the face of the box. This wouldn't allow any reverse flow at all can can be done to a standard box fan as well.
@CorvanEssen8 жыл бұрын
The air being pulled in from the side is probably just due to the speed of the air being blown away. The fast air has a lower pressure so the air around it wants to move in. Bernoulli stuff. Nice build :)
@matthiaswandel8 жыл бұрын
Yes, like I said
@CorvanEssen8 жыл бұрын
+Matthias Wandel sorry. I guess I missed that
@BenjaminEsposti8 жыл бұрын
Congrats Matthias, you just built a "bladeless" fan. X'D
@einseinseinseins8 жыл бұрын
Great work, Matthias.
@thericher8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, was recently thinking about an air filter in my workshop, I have an old fan so might give something like this a try.
@tenpennyguy5 жыл бұрын
Lots of clever ideas and work methods wrapped in this, besides being useful for itself. Time to upgrade my own box fan + taped-on filter!
@jeffstanley45938 жыл бұрын
Another great video Matthias. Oh yeah, I loved the chaotic corner, I would be right at home, just extend it to my whole work area. You know what they say though, "a clean desk is the sign of a sick mind". Just exchange workshop for mind.
@NeonsStyleHD8 жыл бұрын
Same thing happens with prop planes. If you park the plane on gravel an start the engine, the prop will pick up gravel. This is something you shouldn't do because it damages the prop, and nicks in a prop can unbalance it, and the last thing you want if your prop flying apart when you're flying.
@firstreviewer89663 жыл бұрын
Not only do these box fan filters work they work very well. I did not build the 4-sided fan filter, but I will now….Here is the proof they work in cleaning the air….A few months ago my wife told me that she was not breathing very well while sleeping. So, I started putting new filters in our duck system more often, but it didn't seem to help her. I then built a box fan filter with a 24-dollar hepa-filter attached. Then not only did my wife sleep better, but our cat, that we had been giving daily allergy medications to for the last 4 years, because it coughed and sneeze, has not sneeze or cough one time in 4 months since we started using these simple filters. Thank goodness no more cat medicine. Give these simple filters a try I think you will be glad you did. I attached my filter to the box fan by using painter’s tape. If you put the filter on the box fan where the air enters the fan you really do not have to use much tape the air stream keeps it in place. Best of luck! FR.
@dogface60408 жыл бұрын
I've tried this, and there are some limitations to the concept. (I'm a mechanical engineer in the AC field) My first hesitation is the purpose of the setup: health or dust spotting of the work. Health: you really want to get rid of particles in the 1--10 micron range, and a "furnace filter" won't touch that stuff. I know MW used a dust sensor, but those generally don't measure this size particle. If you used a better filter, that little prop fan won't push any air through it anyway. Actually, in the particle size mostly noticed, the air clears by itself because these particles react to gravity. They seem to "gravitate" to my freshly finished surfaces! The other problem is that the fan isn't designed to "pull" large amounts of friction, similar to what a filter (even a light grade furnace filter) produces. Simply put, the fan won't produce. My model was a 20" box fan (easier fit to the 20/20 filter). I got a little air out of it, but not enough to do any good. Commercial dust collectors have fans that will produce air flow through filter friction. These units will produce enough air changes in the space to be effective. However, their filters may not be effective on low-micron dust sizes. You really have to know filter technology to understand the relative effectiveness. If I wanted air filtration for health reasons, I'd look for "merv 15" rating or higher. What do I do, oh expert that I purport?! I have a fan in the middle of the garage that points to the garage door. I open the door (and the side door), run the fan for 15--20 minutes and that "blows out" the space. I also use a central (portable) dust collector with a bag "rated" at 1 micron.
@JEKMills8 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was thinking along the same lines. Particularly when MW said 2 fans should clear the room twice as fast. I'd be amazed if that was true, since most of the air clearance will be due to the dust settling due to gravity. I'd expect the second fan to have very little impact. Also as you say the fan will pull almost no air through the filter as soon as it starts to clog. A better solution would be to push the dusty air outside.
@lunardust2017 жыл бұрын
an axial fan is not going to have enough pressure to filter anything either!
@dogface60407 жыл бұрын
Every fan produces SOME air! Small prop fans ("axial" includes some in line designs used in clean rooms and high pressure) have blades and tip speeds intended to produce high volume at low pressure. They're great for ceilings and room air movement. They die quick if they have any pressure. They also do poorly when constrained (like duct, filter case) because the blade design is meant to throw air at an angle off the blade, not just straight forward. So, dimensional constraint (like a duct) lowers their effectiveness, and then pressure (filter) knocks it further. I got some air, but barely. What can work is to blow air from a relatively clean area of the room across the work area, which pushes particles away from the work; no filter. You have to blow into a large enough area from the work to let the particles settle out. This explains why the "dead zone" in my shop room is knee deep in dust. As long as the work area is clear, I'm ok.
@ivanilarionov18937 жыл бұрын
That's totally true! I built myself air cleaner from a centrifugal fan with capacity 600 cubic meters per hour, and 2 filters 29x29 cm - one for coarse filtration and the second is class F8, which corresponds to merv 14. Anything below that just generates noise...
@tmkrick5 жыл бұрын
That sounds like good advice but I've blown a vornado fan (somewhat underpowered) through a crappy filter (300mpr) and it still ends up removing the small (< 1 micrometer) particles according to my dylos meter. Seems to work.
@bunberrier6 жыл бұрын
Designated Chaos is one of my favorite bands!
@ujayet7 жыл бұрын
This is awesome!,, not just the fan making but the workshop... if i have a work shop like that, i would spend all my free time in it., time to play the lottery!
@TheMarcball8 жыл бұрын
awesome ! Keep on trucking ! (from France)
@evanwalkerdesign8 жыл бұрын
+1 for showing the chaos area! :)
@luizgueiros8 жыл бұрын
to me you are the best. watch your videos for my inspiration to work.
@dmmflys8 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your videos thanks again. As for the flow of air at the tip of the blades that is caused by the low pressure created by the blade. The different pressure will naturally try and equalize the high pressure air will move around the tip of the blade. This may also explain your problem with air seeming to get interference from the filter. Some smart engineers figured out a couple ways to help slow the migration of air but on a existing fan blade I'm not sure how to apply those methods. One way is winglets - take look at newer commercial airliners. Thx again for a very cool video.
@dmmflys8 жыл бұрын
New commercial airliners wing tips. That's what the weird bent looking thing at the tip of the wing does.
@OwenTownend8 жыл бұрын
The effect you found with the string near the edge of the propeller blade is the tip vortex. To reduce it you could add a short tube or 'duct' around the prop. There's a nice explanation of the effect here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecunaK13ndealY0.html Basically you have a lower pressure on the filter side of the propeller which is sucking the air back inside at the edge where there's no blade (or baffle) in the way.
@iamnotsure18 жыл бұрын
Love your videos!
8 жыл бұрын
Excellent work!
@marppp283 жыл бұрын
That wooden mallet cures anything 😂
@drportland88238 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for showing the string to test airflow. I can use that.
@min2oly5 жыл бұрын
instead of or in addition to baffle.... why not build more of a wind tunnel... would this prevent air from entering from the front?
@jonoonyoutube51984 жыл бұрын
Love your work
@scorpiofun667 жыл бұрын
You are so much fun to watch!
@aaroncameron14948 жыл бұрын
Good job Matthias I'm proud of you
@boharihamen7 жыл бұрын
Wow, great job!
@Tresla3 жыл бұрын
your air cleaner videos are my favourite
@whatthefunction91408 жыл бұрын
more chaos area! PS how many Kwatts does your shop use?
@IncogSkbb0213 жыл бұрын
I like your idea of using a box fan. I'm going to do that plus what you did. I have a smaller oscilating fan that the motor broke and i will put that into a box fan that is 20" x 20" that I have, that the plastic fan blades are breaking off of. If I take the box and use it as my enclosure, all I will have to do is make a slot in the back to slide in and hold the filter in place. After that all that would need to be done would be to make a baffle for the front since we're using a smaller fan blade. Thanks for the ideas!
@goclanrung61598 жыл бұрын
Matthias Wandel . a great creative I like your creativity, thanks for sharing
@StubProductions8 жыл бұрын
Great job!
@thejoshmoss8 жыл бұрын
Ah, so that's where all the chaos in you shop goes.
@gesoramorara27496 жыл бұрын
I love his demonstration an acuracy...
@steubens78 жыл бұрын
scrap inner tubes are so handy.
@Peteworth8 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@KeithCassidy8 жыл бұрын
My shop IS the chaos area of my shop. ;o) Nice idea with the rubber mounts.
@theonlyname4utoob8 жыл бұрын
Matthias, does putting together those box joints feel as satisfying as it looks?
@SamZarifYT8 жыл бұрын
You build very nicely
@lpncal2 жыл бұрын
Everyone else on the planet: Butt-joints for the plywood, brad nailed together. Matthias: I'll be making box-joints for this box. And that's why I watch his videos.
@RajendraVermaa5 жыл бұрын
Very lucidly explained. Thanks.
@anonymous_friend6 жыл бұрын
Great videos. I am curious if by shortening the axle you lose torque? Kinda like how a longer screwdriver gives you more torque.
@mauro3348 жыл бұрын
Clean job, like always....
@videblu8 жыл бұрын
I think it's a good idea to use a blower style design. They're much better for static pressure so that you don't have that backflow through the fan blades. I think that'd make your air cleaner more efficient!