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​@@Zombiesnyder13Avi Arad? Or the greater hollywood movie machine which converts art to trash?

@@jacobp8294nah it was Brett. Somehow Singer made the first two and they weren’t trash. It was the same Hollywood execs. The part that changed was the director.

@@popermen694 I agree with you that Brett probably was not a valuable addition which made the film worse overall, but he was chosen by the production crew, which most likely chose him for his willingness to adapt ot whatever requests they made (For better or worse) which alot of modern directors are forced into (look at marvel movies)_

That seems more a thing with WB than Marvel ​@@jacobp8294

The idea was floated of making it a two parter so you’re bang on

BTW, the thumbnail for the video looks awesome 👌

Two parters are just a cop out in most cases

@Nova-fh2et I meant that I would direct both movies

If you got to make X-Men you’d have split yourself into 2 films? I didn’t know humans could transform into a movie, let alone 2!

I feel that he was done more dirty in the latter two films of the OG trilogy as we got them, cause he was brainwashed for most of X2 and, as we all know, had to be unceremoniously killed off-screen at the beginning of The Last Stand. At least with the 2000 movie I felt that he got to have enough time to shine alongside Wolverine and Storm, which is one of the reasons why I still like the first movie best.

@@nicksorenson940 fun fact: James Marsden had to fight for the scene in which he took out Magneto. The original plan was to have Cyclops, Jean, and Storm stand around like dumbasses while Wolverine resisted the magnetism and punched Magneto out on his own.

​@@nicksorenson940I was sad when they killed off Cyclops in X-Men the last stand I was like noo 😔 it was different without Cyclops when he died in X-Men the last stand

​@@joebove4What do you think it would've been like if Cyclops survived in X-Men the last stand

@@nealsmall9316 I think it still would have been a really bad movie. I probably would have just been less angry at it.

100%

Also he is a child rapist and groomer of children. And I’m not saying that in the new-tangled right wing “everyone I disagree with is a pedophile” sense, but literally. A quick google on this sheds light.

Yup

​@@Bulletsandblockbusters I've been telling people how petty Fox studios have been for years Every marvel failure from that studio is %100 on them Same with The Warner Bros studio

Wait, he had a DRUG problem?

An argument could actually be made for Men in Black.

An argument could actually be made for Dom Toretto & Family

​@@hgen1900No it was Blade 1998

​@@looking_glass8736No it was blade 1998

@@looking_glass8736 Or Howard The Duck

Yeah the ending was the only great part of the movie. X3 was great b/c the powers were used more and more accurately. No more lighting coming from a cloud and zapping near Storm, but actual lightning coming from her fingers. Unfortunately, Brett or whoever told him didn't make it comic book accurate enough so people didn't see it muliple times. That Professor X killing statement was a croc. Everyone in the theater was in shock, pissed and ready to fight, and/or walk out b/c they went there when no one asked them to. If Phoenix had risen from the water, that would have helped. The gravity powers seems like a way to keep Jim Lee from making a live Gen 13 movie if you ask me...

DOFP was good

That would’ve been a great way to merge the two storylines! And thanks!

Wow i didn't even think that

Good idea! Aw man that would have made sense

Would’ve made the story wayyyy more fluent

Maybe for a 4th x men. The governments would be so scared of the potential of mutants they pour absurd amount of resources and time into it

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@@Bulletsandblockbusters, 😂

I was waiting for this comment 😂😂😂

James want go with singer in superman movie cause james was orginlay cast for superman but he took down role

It’s on the to do list

I remember hearing one concept had Brainiac as the villain and during the finale, he downloaded himself into Superman's son, Jason, and grows into an adult to fight Superman and in Man of Steel fashion, the only way he had to kill Brainiac was to kill his son. (As a fan service because fans at the time despised Jason in Superman Returns, and that would've been the response to that character.)

I heard it would've been called Man Of Steel.

​@@BulletsandblockbustersIf Superman Returns got a sequel what do you think it would've been about 🤔

I’m sorry but if it’s not directed by Zach synder it won’t be good

Well they were making Zoro films since the 1920’s.

@@johnivory3245Has nothing to do with Zoro. Marvel Studios wouldn’t have been around if Blade wasn’t so successful.

@@YOUNGDOFFTV I’m not taking anything away from Blade. But they were making movies based off of comics long before Blade. Batman was in the late 80’s and early to mid 90’s….before Blade. Superman was made in the 70’s ….before blade. Point being there was always one thing before there was something else. Just depends on how far back you wish to go. Howard the duck, The Addams family, Peanuts. All were comics or comic strips that became successful movies of tv shows. So it’s far fetched to say that the success of todays comic books movies falls entirely on Blade. It’s been happening for a century at this point.

Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno is Christopher Reeve and Wesley Snipes is Micheal Keaton when it comes to Marvel and DC equivilants.

​@@johnivory3245 he's talking about marvel movies only

Yeah, it got old after a while

Turns out, that was actually the plot of an unmade Beast solo movie called X-Men: Fear The Beast.

​@@christiaanbothmafrom the scrapped Origins saga right?

@@ivanagustinortiz5237 No, it was actually written around the time of X-Men: Apocalypse.

Superhero films can work when the hero or heroes fight a new and different villain in each movie. It gives you new material and different interactions between characters. Fox loved Ian McKellen's performance so much they brought him back for X2 and then Last Stand. He was great in the part but it just gave you the same thing over and over. Sony is awful at superhero movies. In Venom, Venom fights a symbiote. In Let There be Carnage Venom fights a symbiote. I'm sure he will again in the next film.

The cure was enough 2 b the main focus.

Completely agree! X-3 should've solely adapted "The Gifted" story line, with X4 being the Dark Phoenix Saga.

Great idea!

Days of future past is one of the best CBMs ever. Singer had a lot of problems but he made damn good X-Men films. I have a soft spot for Apocalypse as well.

​@@TheLastPrime38 days of future past was all matthew Vaughan and Jane goldman

​@@Zain94336 I never knew that; such a great comic book.

That's how I look at it too.

How do they wet the bed twice

Well, based on your pitch it would have been a great finale to the trilogy.

I rewatched X-Men The last Stand days ago and I really enjoyed it. I did feel like the movie was too short for what it was. Things happen too fast with little time to address the emotional impact and the events that are unfolding. X-men Dark Phoenix felt like a remake of the X3 Dark Phoenix story like but still felt short. I suppose Dark Phoenix storyline is something that should be left for TV.

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I’ll take a look

I don’t think so. I think that the studio was just unhappy with Marsden leaving . So they killed him.

As the video said, it was probably pettiness

Already did it

gotta agree! some bold moves and did it with a lot less padding. we all knew this wouldn't be the end of the X-men franchise, and i was glad to see it take some risks (killing off a few well-known characters-but is anyone really killed off in these things?)-with heroes becoming villains and villains being heroes,- all those shades of Grey that have made X-Men worth watching.. i prefer to concentrate on what it Is and enjoy it for those reasons, than what it wasn't and bemoan it as some sort of failure.

😂 Exactly what I was thinking

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Agreed

X-Men: The Animated Series shows it can be done extremely well. The Phoenix saga itself is just your classic good vs. evil storyline. There is always room for such story. The Dark Phoenix Saga, demonstrated that there are real considerations. It is tied to the fact that Phoenix is not just a split-personality, but a deity like creature that had possessed Jean Grey. When that being possesses Jean, it possesses the fullness of human emotion, the good and the bad. It finds a taste for the bad emotions, and relishes in it. This kicks off the battle between the X-Men and the Shi'ar. Major ethical questions...What is inside of Jean is capable of destroying an entire Galaxy. But to destroy it, means destroying Jean. That is a major ethical dilemma. Making it a split-personality is crucial. Because through the series they establish that Jean has an incredibly gentle and warm-hearted spirit. The true, "Girl Next Door" vibe. So, when this incredibly destructive being inhabits her, it makes the tensions stronger. Also, it makes Cyclops sacrifice at the end all the more heart-breaking. They captured Scott's love for her better than the movies have ever done (sadly). The absolute trauma of having to kill the good woman that he was over-taken by a galaxy destroying entity is heavy. Honestly, perfect for a movie, possibly too heavy for a kids show. They have a blue print for an amazing, emotion packed story. It came out only a few years before this one. They didn't use it. Amazingly, the X-Men: The Animated Series also had a good story that could get fleshed out more about the cure, they didn't use it. X-Men: The Animated Series demonstrated there are amazing stories to be told from the X-Men. Cinema or even live-action television has incredible capability to do so, as they can be relieved of some of the limitations placed upon the cartoon. However, they don't do it. DC has made the same mistake for years. The DCAU built an incredible universe, with rich characters and stories. Yet, again they don't make good use of them.

Also why would they hire Simon Kinberg to do it again? Hiring the person who wrote the story badly the first time to do it again a second time seems like very bad judgement.

100% agreed. Only now, decades later, is it feasible to adapt this storyline now that we've seen cosmic stuff in the MCU and the stakes only relating to being a part of a universe.

I think phoenix force could be an allegory for god and faith. Jean could have worshipers. They see her as the apex/ messiah of mutant kind. They could go to war with mankind that wants to destroy her.

Not everything needs to be an allegory for real life to be successful

Thanks! And agreed!

Wow, thanks!

It almost was

There's a fantastic video by Dark Phoenix UN Cut that covers the original plans for the film, which was a 2 parter at one point: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNynqaiFq7GnmZc.html

Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying them!

Agreed with everything you said. I even cut some of these points you brought up out of the video as it was running long.

Omg yes! The way they treated Scott was so disrespectful. He cried, Jean showed up, they kissed, he died (which we didn't see), and the film kept on pushing. Didn't even really talk about him after Jean and Wolvie's conversation after they take her back to the school until the end. And tell me why Storm, who has always been seen as one of the most powerful even when she wasn't treated right, was getting bodied by Callisto, who was nothing like her comic book counterpart? That was goofy to me. And Rogue... That is all. Even from the first film, the moment she showed up on screen, I was pissed. 😂 She didn't even call anyone "suga", and that's her trademark! 😭

Nobody really loved it when it came out. The reception was always disappointment after what came before. But if you loved it, that's awesome! To each their own :)

@@Bulletsandblockbusters I guess it was a local thing. It was pretty hyped when I was in high school at the time. It was many years before social media was a thing like it is now though... I'm sure there were lots of things people enjoyed and believed were great but, years later found out most people didn't quite feel the same! It could have had a little more context in certain areas, but I always liked the direction that the film took. If you cared about X-Men, I think it would have made you emotionally invested in it.

​​​@@MoneyHoneyBunny X-Men 3 was an atrocious movie, and not at all accurate to the characters or the comics. It was hyped where I was too, and I'm the type to easily forgive movie mistakes, which is why I've seen the movie a million times, but objectively speaking, it really isn't great. A few things I loved also had cons to them. For example, one thing I loved was Storm getting more screen time, but the con was, her powers were never showcased as the omega level mutant she is. Like, she was getting bodied by Callisto, who, mind you, was not at all like her comic book counterpart. Psylocke was tragic, Juggernaut was a mutant(?!), and they killed Scott. I can't say Xavier's death was bad; his death scene was actually amazing and emotional, but Scott got taken out like a punk. He deserved more than that. 😅 There was no build up to it. Jean came back, he died, and the movie kept it pushing. 😂 He isn't even mentioned beyond Jean and Wolvie's conversation until the end of the film. They treated him like a dirty dog. And he's not even my favorite. Rogue is my favorite, and from the very first moment she hit the screen in the first movie, I was pissed. I was 10 years old and complaining that Rogue wasn't flying around punching bitches and being sassy. She didn't call anyone "suga" once, and that's her trademark! Whew, let me stop cuz my blood pressure is getting too high. 😂

Only the bimbo girls and gays only went to go watch that movie😂 I would seriously be shocked if Barbie did any better than Oppenheimer

​@@llcoolg8682This aged poorly.

Thanks! Will do! Glad to have you aboard!

"x-men HELPED to lay the foundation." Nobody's discounting blade's contributions.

@@Bulletsandblockbusters Right, which is why you don't mention it in your video?

Because the video is not about blade. It’s about x men ;)

​@@Bulletsandblockbusters That doesn't make your point less not true.

​@@BulletsandblockbustersHuh? That clearly doesn't make any sense, just say you didn't want a guy with tax problems taking credit for the beginning of Marvels success 😒

That be cool. Like godfather 2.

Thanks for watching!

Thnx bro!

Thanks! Hopefully I’ll get there one day.

They’re on the list and will do them if I can find info

@@Bulletsandblockbusters- Can you go over WHY Magneto DIDN’T rescue Charles from Cerebro? Weren’t they friends? Why did he leave him there to die?

If I'm not mistaken, the plans for a stand alone Magneto origin film, eventually became integrated as part of X-Men First Class. I believe that's what happened.

@@ElectrikArguement - Yes. That is true. Magneto was supposed to have a solo movie. It was basically turned into First Class. What did you think of him in the second and third movies?

@@matthewschwartz6607 I think Magneto in all the X-films was done very well. With both Ian McKellan & Michael Fassbender.

Not sure it’s not on all dvds tho many of these scenes are also on KZfaq

@@Bulletsandblockbusters True story. I had to buy mine from a buddy. I wasn't sure if they just got cheaper in the production with later prints or removed them for other reasons

Thanks!

Same

Sadly they wanted to compete with him

Personally I think X2 is the best one of the trilogy

Superman Returns sequel would have been action packed and more exciting, what a huge shame . .

Thanks!!!

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Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!

I’ll add it to the list

@@Bulletsandblockbusters thank you 🙏

It’s coming

This is one of the best compliments I’ve received. Thank you so much and thrilled you enjoy the content. Also, best of luck with your channel!

Mind cause both SM 3 and X 3 wasn’t aswell received we did get NWH/into the spider verse plus first class,days of future past and Logan just like how Batman and Robin is the reason we had the dark knight trilogy without it would we have had that amazing trilogy.

Agreed. I'd like to see him have a much larger role in future films. And for the love of god give us gambit.

They won't. They'll butcher the character, look what they're doing with Sentry.

@@Ocelotonatiuh and it’s been confirmed that they won’t. Look up the new MCU x-men and you’ll see what I’m talking about, be too much to go into here.

True. I chop the whole series down to a trilogy, though. X1, X2, and Days of Future Past

@@shadowvessel that does make for a solid trilogy

@@zenquantum1246 I feel like, for someone who hadn't watched the other movies, the flashbacks will give the tease of a better history.

@@shadowvessel Me too!

Though even First Class is said to have contradictions with the original 2000 movie, which I guess was only likely to happen if they were intending on it to be a sort of soft reboot for the franchise. I mean remember when Magneto arrives on the train in the first film and introduces himself saying "You must be Wolverine" as if he's meeting him for the first time? Well yeah Erik, did you forget when First Class showed you and Xavier walking over to him in a bar and he told you to "Go f*** yourselves"? It was a cute cameo for Hugh Jackman but didn't make much sense to me continuity wise, like a lot of things overall in this film series.

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