"We're not that kind of company." Bungie executives to workers: "Some of you may lose your jobs, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make."

Opting for the Disney tactic of swapping Directors mid-project is a great sign to not expect much for Marathon

Everyone chasing the super popular hero shooter from 2017. What could go wrong?

"guys, we realized we are chasing a trend with extraction shooters, that has no more room for more games, that's why we're returning to what players like. the previous trend of hero shooters."

"Not that kind of company" Something went FUBAR. They don't usually tell the truth like that.

I've lost all interest in this game now. I'm tired of hero shooters.

Don't forget the fact that they wanna sell hero skins IN A EXTRACTION GAME. So we're most likely gonna get purposefully ugly characters so Bungie can boost traffic towards their store/battle passes.

This generation of gaming is really hitting a brick wall.

OG Marathon was a boomer shooter with heavy sci-fi horror influence, kinda like Doom if it had System Shock flair added to it. How this has anything to do with comic-style heroes is completely beyond me. They had a franchise that would go perfect with comic style heroes: Oni. An anime style sci-fi third person game.

Marathon as an Extraction shooter already sounded lame but making it a hero shooter is even worse lmao I didnt think that was possible

I didn’t realize Internet Explorer was making all of Bungie’s directional decisions. Maybe in 3 years we’ll get a battle royale!

I quit destiny when the ceo(or whatever he was) did a video about how they don't want to "overdeliver" with thier content and took a crap on elden ring. It's an insane anti costumer policy, and the prices they charge for mediocre repetitive content is crazy.

And now we’ll watch Bungie’s “10-year plan” for Marathon play out like 343’s “10-year plan” with Halo Infinite.

Bungie has lost it's identity and doesn't know what to do. Bungie has no one to blame other than itself. They are just taking Marathon and trying to slap on some gimick to it instead of trying to innovative or reinvigorate the franchise.

So this marathon has nothing to do with marathon. No Tycho. No Durandal. No Leela. No Spht Kr. Why resurrect the name without bringing any of the mythos? Bungie died long ago. Parts of it are being kept alive by technologies no one understands. Perhaps it’s time to let it rest.

Everyone wondering why all these hero shooters are coming out. it's because OW blew up and was GoTY in 2017, so exec's were like "hmm.. let's make a hero shooter" and it's only now 7 years later, they're actually ready to be released.

So Bungie, who is great at making PvE games with raids, dungeons, etc, decided to throw all of it out and go all in on a pvp extraction shooter, which when they brought in well know extraction shooter gamers/streamers to demo it, none of them said they'd play it again and that it was bad. Instead of taking the hint, Bungie decided to make it a hero shooter instead. There are already so many and people are burned out on hero shooters. This is terrible decision making and genuinely might sink the company

Look at some of the reception of Concord during the State of Play as soon it was announced as an overwatch-styled hero shooter most people just was meh about it. The era of hero shooters is at its end. Marathon is yet another example of how the push for live service shooters/hero shooters isn't the answer to push this industry forward

As someone who’s played destiny since the d1 beta I’m not touching marathon. Nobody I know or play destiny with is gonna play marathon because a hero shooter extraction shooter sounds the furthest thing away from being appealing to Destiny players as possible. Also they’re not ditching Destiny because they’ve been taking up the content like crazy and very very credible leaks which basically have accurately detailed the final shape have said Destiny 3 has been in full development since like 2022

STOP MAKING HERO SHOOTERS.

Destiny is not making money is just an understatement , missing revenue projection is not same as not making money. When the goals are unattainable the results are also disappointing.

Sony kicking themselves over going all in on Live Services half a decade after everyone became sick of them.

At this point, idk how Bungie survives in a post destiny 2 world. Already Destiny only got to live by running on the last couple fumes of prime Halo era copium. 14 years and the true believers never got that dream game they were promised. Meanwhile everyone else outside that bubble, that cult, has moved on, they don’t care anymore about Bungie today like they did in 2008 or 2014.

Some publishers will never get it. All they have to do is make a SP FPS that pays homage to Marathon. They could probably get away with doing it in GZDoom. Hell, they'd probably get props for it! There's definitely passionate devs out there that would love to remake Marathon, like they have great ideas, guarantee it! Just make a modestly budgeted, $20-30 throwback with some fun new ideas. You won't be chasing money, the devs can move on, you'd have earned the respect and praise from fans...it's all so obvious.

Why couldn't they just make Marathon an arena fps

Bungie really messed up their monetisation of destiny by not making it clear at all what to buy in the store and I think that’s the biggest L in their entire history.

wait wasnt it supposed to be an extraction with the story tied to players finding secrets in an ever shifting map?

In before all the memes of Arkane Austin standing in the gallows looking at Bungie "first time?"

This thing has never once reminded me of Marathon. One of those cases where it just makes no sense to use the name if it has nothing to do with it's namesake. It's not like they were going to pull in Marathon players with that trailer... or any of this. Unless they're just people into whatever this bills itself as.

This news made basically made my excitement tank to just about 0%. I had faith that Bungie could somehow strike the right balance between casual and hardcore play in this otherwise super hardcore genre. Marathon as a hero shooter? no thank you.

They couldn't get PvP right after 10 years. Do you think they'll get it right in Marathon??? I don't think so.

Bungie ended when they jumped in bed with Activision and fired Marty. Not only did they betray Marty but they also had a lot of veterans quit over that. Marty took Bungie to court and actually won millions. The Bungie of the old Myth, Marathon and Halo are long gone.

BOOOOO!!! 👎🏼👎🏼 I was so excited for a new Bungie IP and now I’m completely disinterested and disappointed.

Marvel rivals, deadlock and now marathon. We're gonna be flooded with hero shooters

They are speed running trying to kill this game

Was kinda interested when it was an extraction shooter. Hard pass on this. Plus why would you unveil two hero Shooters at as many days

Bungie died when they sold out Halo after Reach, which was peak Halo you can fight me. This is just the corpse about to finally be laid to rest.

Marathon is not "Marathon". It's a name they gave to this...whatever it is-hero shooter, extraction shooter, whatever, to capitalize on some nostalgia factor. They've said it has nothing to do with Marathon, and that it takes place "in the Marathon universe" which means nothing, afaic.

I can't say I was particularly interested in a more casual extraction shooter (compared to tarkov), as marathon was reminding me of the Creative Assembly game Hyenas that got shut down... but this is even worse. For a hero shooter you need a really inspired / iconic cast that people already care about from established franchises or you have really nail it like valve did with tf2 or how blizzard did it initially with overwatch 2 and I dont think modern bungie can pull that off. PREDICTION: DOA

the way the old macintosh game looks more visually inspired than the AAA budget game should be studied..........

Two Hero shooters?!

Bungie was dead the moment they ousted Marty O Donnell

First they say it's not going to be a revival of classic Marathon and now they're straight up changing the genre of the game again? Foh

Sony acquires two studios that decide to make hero shooters and drop relatively close to each other. Exactly what everyone wanted!!

It was an extraction shooter I think this game has been in development Hell switching from director to director

As far as I'm concerned this is a monster wearing the skin suit of a former friend trying to trick you before it tries to kill you.

Well, all my excitement for this game has instantly went out the window.

For this game’s own sake, they need to go Free to Play and also need an open beta and try to convert everyone on how good the gameplay is.

Im so done with hero shooters. I think these companies love losing money, maybe there is some kind of laundering scheme going on or something, makes no sense otherwise.

I don’t think Marathon was ever meant to actually replace Destiny, it was just a new separate game (studios sometimes create and maintain multiple games 😄). We’ve known it would be an extraction shooter basically since the beginning, which Destiny absolutely is not. I imagine they were never banking much on courting the destiny community for marathon.

"We're not that type of company" .....wow. That says A LOT right there.

Bungie was SONY’S biggest mistake… Buying a entire studio not to make exclusives but advice exclusives not to make massive shooter classics like Halo but live service moneytization and mechanics… Live service games from SONY will almost all fail so every investment in the genre will be a massive loss despite Bungie so Bungie was a waste of money, the genre shift to live service was a waste of money, and the not only is it a waste of money to alocate their workforce to these titles… Its resulting in PS5 being seen as a L generation lacking titles the fans actually wants… Dont tell me these teams couldnt have been making blockbuster SONY classics instead of fucking Concord…

Bungie died with halo

Werner Ziegler. Zieeeeglerrr. Werner Ziegler

Oh there is so much more for what bungie was doing behind the scenes like someone close to the finance side said money wasn’t adding up and the corporate side said they were ditching as soon as sony money dried up. Bungie is in such a current live or die situation

They are moving away from the free range of customising your character to the company decides for you because what we need is more player control taken away not given. Hero classes is what these scummy companies want as they can monetise the skins easier for insane prices, people will be less likely to pay £20 to £30 for a single bit of armour like in Halo Infinite where if it's a "whole new model" they are more likely to pay that price, it's just more lazy stuff on the developers side that makes them the most money, this is what the whole goal with these anti consumer games are, it's a constant evolution of trying to push and find more ways to do less effort, less quality and content yet make the most money, they will always find the cracks and at some point will have games be at the point you spend more then your entire life will ever make to play the game and access it's content, and yet people would still make really bad excuses like "It's only cosmetic" or "You don't have to pay" then scratch their heads blaming the people they said this to when they don't play the game and it starts to die. I guess people just prefer to be ripped off with bad games then have a good fun game they can afford and is consumer friendly, but then again there are people who enjoy being beaten and abused so it's probably a kink to have daddy multimillion dollar company treat them like shit and milk them.

game companies try not to release a hero shooter challenge (*IMPOSSIBLE*) i do like hero shooters but like damn yk players cant play them all💀

I had no interest in an extraction shooter but i have negative interest in a hero shooter. Not a game for me in any way shape or form but i hope the rest of yous enjoy it

As a player of both Destiny and Apex, I see no issue in it being a hero shooter, in fact, it sounds even more interesting.

Makes sense now instead of making gear they will just make skins for heroes to limit balancing issue and over monetize.

If they already have firewalk doing concord then what was the point of Sony buying bungie for another hero fps??

“We dont want to be like tarkov we want to be more overwatch” lol

I think Bungie should've made a mode moderated by the Drifter called Marathon. It could've been an extraction shooter like war warzone but destiny-ified.

I'm somewhere between 'Yeah, let's let these studios/companies know we aren't interested in these types of games!' but also I feel like we are so enamored with dunking on things like this and Concord before they have even been seen or played in a final form. Idk, I just don't want the gaming community to be encouraging itself to be even more judgemental and trigger happy, that's all.

Hooray! Yet another game stuck in development hell with ever shifting focus destined to be absolute trash.

In game shops have ruined gameplay and customization so they can sell you the good stuff in the in-game shops. AAA is dead.

What i dont get you can also sell "Hero" style of armor or weaponskins and pick for example the Helmed and put it on another torso from another "Hero" so you can also sell complete skins AND create mix and match your very own Mercenary !! No one did this bevor so it would standing out than do everything everyone else is doing 🙄

ANOTHER FUCKING HERO SHOOTER?! HOLY SHIT THESE GAMES ARE ALL MADE BY AN ALGORITHM OR AN A.I.

$100 for the final shape is ridiculous…

Having played Destiny from D1 launch until about 2 years ago, I've got no interest in Bungie's current direction. It appears they've really leaned into the "throw money at the screen" philosophy.

They went from a game I wasn't gonna be interested in to a game I definitely won't be interested. LMAO

I think it will probably be a similar situation to Concord and Lawbreakers. These games have heroes, sure, but I see more similarities to the classic Arena Shooters like Unreal Tournament and Quake rather than modern Hero shooters. I like this direction.

It's possible that this director looked at the new Marathon and realized nobody would want to play as only human-type characters that have nothing to do with the older Marathon games. The older games have some great human and alien character designs that could be very interesting to play as in a PvP setting.

What would have been wrong with just giving us the original trilogy in a full remake? Or just continue it. I love Marathon, and I'm so tired of live service games.

Reminds me when Embark Studio announce Arc Raiders wouldn't be a coop shooter and would be an extraction shooter, never saw the interest die so quickly. And now the marketing of the game have been 0 And unsurprisingly to anyone, the semi sociopath CEOs never take the blame for doing THEIR job badly. Once you overcome a part of the hierarchy, you truly can do whatever tf you want consequences free

I would accept a hero shooter extraction if everyone can do the exact same thing except some characters might have like proficiency bonuses in specific armor and weapon types. Like not a huge boost bust something like holding breath for sniping for 5-10% longer. Or some characters can wear heavy armor without a 5% stamina drain. I assume itll be like use Hero A because hes slightly better with your playstyle over Hero B. But as Hero A you extract with gear that makes Hero B better so you switch. Then you unlock Hero C and even though they are weaker, they are PERFECT for your player style. But then Hero D comes along and they might be the weakest, they have a specialization in having the biggest inventory and can extract several times more gear than other heroes. Hero D will be the worst at extraction inventory space but be an ABSOLUTE MONSTER in combat. So you end up building squads for different scenarios. You are playing Solo? stealth extraction hero. Or solo balanced hero. Or Solo combat and survivalist. Honestly this could be really good depending on what you want to play. You dont have to collect all the gear to fufill a play style but can do that by just picking the hero. I can see in another game someone finally creating a specialized stealth sniper build, but then when they die they lose their build and get pissed. But in this game you just pick that hero and no matter what happens even if you suck in that style of play, you can STILL play that kind of role.

Bungie's strategy is so ridiculous. Total misunderstanding of consumer wants, chasing trends. Complete mismanagement of their IPs. Whoever's making these decisions should be embarrassed. Final Shape will not meet expectations. Not even close. Nobody wants to buy £40 dlc for a 7 year old game. Constant pay walls, confusing monetisation, and dlc delivery. They've done nothing to make new players feel like they haven't missed out, what's the point in starting something at the back end. When you've missed 7 years of context. Marathon won't deliver either. The market is over saturated. They should focus on a new Destiny game. Release a brand new game, with smaller, faster dlc releases every 6 months. Accompany 'free' dlc and patch updates akin to Valhalla for Ragnarok. But smaller, a new dungeon, a new quest chain, a new cosmetic, small stuff.

Not just because I genuinely enjoy it,not because it's free,but for the last year or two we knew when XDefiant was announced,then shown to be an arcade fps hero shooter,then released that through and through it was truly a hero shooter. But the difference is that because it's fundamentally an arcade shooter + hero shooter,it actually works in their favor. The factions themselves are straight from well known ips. I myself as well as others own or still play the older games,so I like using those factions (even if it's not the main characters of those ips) . But Bungie,apparently making a hero shooter seems oddly timed. I'm sure half of the people who saw Concord were also uninterested or somewhat intrigued. I'm not making any excuses,just being honest in terms of recent announcements and brief reveals of what's next for "gaming". Obviously shooter games,primarily fps more so than 3rd person,are often the most saturated,though it seems nowadays people are starting to get fatigued over extraction/hero based shooters. I'm neutral on this,but I can see clearly how some would be invested while others could be against it

can we protest this being a hero shooter ? id much prefer the idea of character creation and unique personalities as it fits the quote on quote “cyberpunk” aesthetic

Marathon was one of my first shooters, I have fond memories of it, this new thing looks nothing like Marathon... also super confused about this project

I feel like all these hero shooters coming out of nowhere were greenlit because overwatch 2 was announced and everyone thought itd be a hit but then it was just...well overwatch 2(1). So now they're were stuck with all these hero shooters that were already well into production

All marathon had to be was a story based fps witb an arena shooter multiplayer mode and people would have been fine with it. I genuinely dont understand this push of taking something already established that people liked and molding it into something else. Concord already exists and people don't even want that. What makes bungie think that a marathon hero shooter is gonna move anything? It wont reach overwatch 2 numbers, which aren't even what ow1 was, they can maybe reach quake champions, but they want a mega hit. So that wont be enough.

Heard about this a few weeks ago. 30 years of forums discussing this games complex story. A genuinely niche game to be sure, but one with a unique tone that, to my knowledge, has not been done well since. From the first trailer, this tone appeared to have been thrown in the toilet purely by the art-style. However, I still held out hope due to how it handled it's promotional material similar to how uncovering and discussing the narrative was handled 30 years ago (albeit not perfectly the same due to the differing locations, time, in universe factions, and the place our IRL internet is in). I was excited. If this is true, and it has moved completely away from the gritty tone and complex topics, as well as the perfect game genre it could have been in (arguably better than the kind of genre it was before), the game is dead. I am not calling it here because it is unknown if any of this is true. But my hope is already dead. edit as I should have watched the whole video before ranting but was an idiot as per usual: As a Hunt Showdown fan, and a fan of Marathon. If the game was set on board the abandoned Marathon with the industrial clutter and sound reliance that Hunt has, and had the same maze like corridors as the old games, pairing that with Phor and Sph't remnants roaming around as genuine threats that might require cooperation with enemy players to outwit, evade, or defeat... that would be peak gaming. I would empty my pockets for 7 copies for me and all of my friends.

Sony leardship has already stated that they see the Destiny franchise as lightning in a bottle and will not allow Bungies aspirations for Marathon to screw with Destiny in any way. Also, Destiny was profitable when Witch Queen came out even though it was full of mtx, Lightfall killed player sentiment and engagement. That was caused by Bungie management moving too many people from Destiny to Marathon.

I think this game has a potential for way more mass market appeal than people think. I don't think this is about getting destiny or extraction players in, I think its more about having great marketing and getting a lot of people who just play fps games in. If they get all the streamers who play "big flavor of the month fps game" whenever one comes out, you get a massive playerbase at launch from the viewers (assuming f2p, no pay to win, good anticheat and the game being generally fun). A lot of people play a little bit of multiple shooters, and a general consensus between a lot of people i know is that they're mostly looking for a new main game, to jump off the sinking ship of whatever they're currently playing the most, find something that hits just right. Extraction is a very under developed genre, if you don't want a cheater infested experience with realistic graphics, there isn't really a shooter game. Many people write off the entire genre because tarkov failed to get mass market appeal, but it was always going to. Gritty, realistic, military shooter games are often niche by design. Doesn't mean that the genre itself is bad

Man Covid really ruined this generation of games. I bet all of these games were decided on at the height of Overwatch, pre Covid. And now the market is saturated with these kinds of games that no one wants to play. Let's go back to action adventure games please. Or more corporate PvE games like a Helldivers.

Hero based shooters are no doubt more popular among the main stream as well as marketable with audiences as they have a character to really hang on to. I do think it’s unwise though. They make great points of it being a crowded market.

I could see them mixing Overwatch with Valorant, with that PlayStation quality we expect, which means it could be pretty good. Everyone hates and gives up too easy. It needs to be F2P.

I’ve said that under a few of your company videos, the budget stays at the top and whoever is left tickles down, so if no budget left after 3/4th level managers cuts are coming hard and fast

Destiny 2 player here, you're god damn right I aint jumping to Marathon. Im tired of PvP games, i just want a good PvE game where I can sit back and relax aftr a long day of work, NOT sweating my ass off in PvP where its compromised with cheaters.

Hero based model, gives you 15 characters, which means 15x customization, which means 15x cosmetics, which beats a single character customization

Extraction shooters don’t really work cause PvP players like them but not PVE people cause they don’t want to play PvP which these games force on players. We saw this with the division. PVE players may try it but eventually get annoyed dying to PvP people or developers change thing pushing off PvP players. It’s extremely hard making a game where both PvP and PVE players are happy

Can we fast forward when those games close. Just to read "we don't understand what happened" or "damn we didn't see that coming"

From the looks, ik it was a long time ago. But once apon a time. I LOVE'D Destiny. Me and my friends would spend 8+ hours every night playing. The few early comers would get on early and do some strikes, once the full gnag got on we would run raids, and custom 3v3s in pvp it was so much fun, so many laughs and moments spend on that game. Then they ended Destiny 1 and released Destiny 2. I was so invested, I had teachers give me homework in advance and told them I was going on vacation when it released so I could skip school and grind the game. After a month I stopped because all my friends have left. Due to, not wanting to restart, wanting random rolls back, wanting to go back to D1 to do the fun raids and everything. I was so bored playing alone that I left, and from time to time I comeback and play the new campaigns and laugh at the content creators and everything else. But after D1. I believe roughly 1/3rd of the community left... and never looked back. The game has been on a decline ever since. Ik it has had its peeks, but I think that is where it all began.

The trailer has one of the best art directions ever, not sure a hero shooter would compliment it though. I'd love a campaign game though.

idk why people are saying they are trying to replace destiny with marathon when they're literally working on destiny 3 as we speak according to leaks-

As somebody that use to play Destiny 2 every day, Bungie is in a bad spot right now. They've gone downhill, and its unfortunate because The Witch Queen expansion was really good. But with how boring Lightfall was a lot of people have left the game. It makes sense that they're changing Marathon's direction because I'm sure its easier to develop now, and Bungie NEEDS a game to bring in money since Destiny 2 is "done" after The Final Shape being released in June.

Goddammit, first Marvel Rivals, then Concord, now this, how many of these shooters are gonna keep coming? We don't all have endless time to play these.

I was genuinely STOKED to play Marathon as an extraction shooter. It truly felt like Bungie was set to revolutionize the extraction shooter genre like they so often do with their previous IPs. I’m so intensely dissappointed.

how about making marathon into a single player doom style game like the franchise started as....but i guess that doesn't extract enough money to keep the suits happy