How tf are those still a thing

​@@joeljs9778why? Are they bad?

​@@duquefranklintrouble6635theyre just rebranded buds from other brands marked up

​@@duquefranklintrouble6635yes

How many destiny videos are you gonna make? lol

Mass consumerism is what killed gaming. Bunch of sub humans that can't control their money responsibly.

@@panzershreck8077 If people didn't buy it, they would probably quit selling it. "Gamers" are some of the worst forms of consumer.

Gaming going mainstream is what ruined it. Gatekeep what you find precious

what propably hapened - woke and stupid balance team

That's rlly true, a group of friends plays overwatch 2 and spend a lot of money in cosmetic bcs there's no other option like that and one thing u said, they just want to play a litte after a large day. And we know overwatch 2 its rlly bad...

Fun

How bungie kept their shadow and got forsaken

How Bungie Fell and Forfeit Their Marathon

How Bungie slipped and gaped themselves

Their second halo

Im that guy

Same.

I got the Murmuration during Forsaken That's a lot of money for removed content

I started playing in 2020 during lockdown and I've got to experience most of that content for free, before they removed it. I just bought forsaken and shadowkeep. Honestly grinding these activities with new people from friends clan was fun.

Here

Please don't give those shitters any of your money, just forget about final shape just like Bungie forgot about their playerbase

This was similar to me. I was a solo player to start with and had heard the vault of glass being mentioned but had no idea what it was. One day at the tower I got a message asking if I wanted to join a vault of glass. So joined up and had an absolute blast till about 2am getting passed Templar. I was blown away by the loot! A solar primary weapon! Lol elemental weapons were only special and heavy before then. I loved it and went back in time and time again the started getting friends. Loved it

Yeah just a few days ago I was in the tower and someone used the text chat to ask for help with an exotic mission, I ended up joining and helping her but two people just bashed them for no reason saying “use fireteam finder” and similar things. To be fair she was kinda spamming it every few minutes but still, what happened to the game I love 🚬🗿

BioWare and Dice hurt me the most. Idk if Bethesda has lost its talent, but the talent that was there never evolved, they’re stuck in 2008.

The next studio to get hit is going to be Larian. And Riot has been in steadily downhill for about 8 years now.

✨✨ CAPITALISMMM🥰✨✨

@@needy3535 do you imagine we would be sitting our fat asses around enjoying a wealth of artful video games in a communist utopia? Hey, there are A LOT of things wrong with capitalism, but I worry you youngsters just use the word “capitalism” as a bandaid fix that prevents you from having to look deeper into what causes individual issues. How about we hold Bungie’s specific upper management accountable instead of just letting them off the hook by regurgitating something Hasan said.

@@needy3535 do you imagine we would be sitting around on our butts enjoying a wealth of artful video games in a communist utopia? Hey, there are A LOT of things wrong with capitalism, but I worry you youngsters just use the word “capitalism” as a bandaid fix that prevents you from having to look deeper into what causes individual issues. How about we hold Bungie’s specific upper management accountable instead of just letting them off the hook by regurgitating something Hasan said on his last stream. You can do better!

It’s true bro😭😭😭

I’ll just watch the lore videos, cause fkem

Fr, same, I'm just glad this entire series of wasted potential is finally over. But then a year later, they announced Destiny 3.....

Sounds about right. Personally, I don't plan on even playing Final Shape. Which is a shame. I was never too huge on grinding everything in Destiny. I was mainly interested in the major updates. I always liked the more interesting side stuff like cool exotic quests, raids, dungeons, secrets, etc. But never really into grinding for weapons or leveling to the max. It was a chore I only did for a short time before losing interest in that aspect. So, while I used to be fairly addicted and play Destiny almost daily, I played it less and less as time went on. I don't think I was ever interested in the seasonal content after the first few. I just completely left and ignored it. But I always came back for the big expansions. I still love Destiny's world, vibe, and gameplay. That is until Lightfall. That just made apparent how poorly Destiny's story is told despite the universe being so interesting. Extremely disappointing for me. It felt like it took this super cool story build up and just threw itself on its face for no reason. Lightfall was my biggest wakeup call. Even though I've already been barely touching Destiny outside of the big expansions for a while, this was the final straw. I realized I didn't want to play the game anymore. Well, I did, but I wasn't willing to put up with it anymore. Expensive monetization that has only gotten worse. A story that was poor when it should be at its strongest. The grindy addictive structure I had already lost interest in, etc. I still like Destiny for all the things it's great at. But I don't plan on ever playing it again

But, not for the reasons you're thinking, though.. and no, it won't be over. They've basically confirmed Destiny 3 is coming.

Its insane how much false advertissing big corpos get away with in general and esp in games.

What guns that were not shown? What are you even talking about?

Bungie will never go under because a decent number of Destiny players will just buy the next season pass and dlc anyways. As someone who’s played it pretty substantially, there’s a lot of people talking about “destiny haters” whenever someone talks bad about the game or company instead of just looking forward to the next thing they put out, but we need to look at the destiny fanboys that won’t ever stop putting money into the slot machine

@@mackncheese1683 Epochal Integration is the hand cannon that was added. There is still a rocket launcher and machine gun (maybe others) missing. You can see these when you click on any Lightfall campaign mission, I think the art stays the same. The guardians are all holding them or have them on their backs.

Yeah, the amount of goodwill the playerbase has been and is showing towards Bungie is unfathomable. Like I literally don't understand how people are still interested in Destiny and still think Bungie is this stellar company that can do no wrong.

This is the one argument I don't understand. How is that supposed to be a bad thing? As if Destiny 1 had this "magic ingredient" that Destiny 2 never had, not even during Forsaken, and anything that is part of Destiny 2 is arbitrarily worse? Because RennsReviews sure does make it sound exactly like that. That even if The Final Shape is extraordinary in terms of quality, it still doesn't mean anything, even on top of multiple years of quality of life and gameplay improvements. He can just be burnt out, and there's no real reason why he should even play The Final Shape if he himself thinks it's because of sunk cost fallacy (viewing Destiny 2 as irredeemable).

@@commentingchannel9776 "waah if you dont like it leave it alone and never speak of it ever under no circumstances waaaaah i cannot handle criticism of the IP i spent way too much time on so i push it away waaaaaaah"

@@gaiatiful Obviously there are legitimate criticisms to be leveled against the game (where do I even start: sunsetting, the abandonment of Gambit, the ever-growing Eververse, the increasingly greedy monetization, the completely absurd levels of power-creep that have trivialized old content, the awful new player experience, THE LAYOFFS...), but none of this is inherent to Destiny 2's very existence, considering that it was quite literally in a close to identical state as Destiny 1 back in Forsaken. Renn does go over all of these kinds of specific criticisms in a very comprehensive and objective, and this takes up the great majority of the video, but the video ends on a rather strangely emotional note that doesn't really have much meaning as criticism, and seems to imply that the game is somehow beyond redeeming or even being improved in the slightest. And again, isn't it nonsensical at a practical level to stick yourself to a franchise, let alone a single game, until an arbitrary date (which isn't even the end of the game itself) if you lost interest long ago? If your position is that you don't want to support the game and you don't really enjoy it anymore, why spend $50-100 on an expansion for the sake of "closure" in a fictional universe? That argument is in no way a defense of the game; I have better ways to do than to defend a multi-billion dollar company that treats its employees as it does. I, however, sure do prefer when the people playing a game I am passionate about actually get to feel like their time in it is worth it.

@@commentingchannel9776 his last statements are still accurate, to people like him who played the first destiny for years, and eventually 2 when it released. To them it doesn’t matter how many qol changes, or expansions are done because to them, the game has never been able to live up to what it should have been.

@@commentingchannel9776 My issue is just the amount of time put into it. They’ll gladly update the eververse store and tease a new expansion that’ll probably be mid, but hey! We can access the vault from orbit… how many years later..?

Stop. Please dear god, may I never see this stupid cliche ever again.

@@klaatunecktie7906 🙁

​@@klaatunecktie7906Maybe the real stupid cliche was the friends we made along the way

Unironically, this statement is the most true shit ever when it comes to destiny. All the fun parts of this game came solely from the interactions and gamemodes when you played it every day with your friends. Without having anybody to play with, d1 and d2 suck ass.

@@sestomolestookay that was funny

Sometimes it’s fun to check them out at the end of their lifecycle and just get everything for $5 that losers spent $5,000 on. 😂

Smart man​@@deriznohappehquite

there are honest ones out there. I've tried most. Path of Exile and Warframe I would say are extremely generous, fair and fun with no paywalled content, and honest devs, with helpful mostly nice communities. Destiny showed their true colours when they vaulted all the content.

@@deriznohappehquite I remember back when I used to play WoW and I was severly disappointed with Warlords of Draenor that I decided not to buy the next expansion which was Legion. Funnily enough, I only came back when they were offering huge christmas discounts and bonuses if you bought Legion and pre-ordered BfA at the time, something like that, total came out at something like 20-30$ or something due to them wanting to get people who quit back or something. Anyways, you would assume that I didn't get to enjoy Legion that much because it was basically like 1 year until they released BFA, but quite honestly I got to experience like 70% of it and had my fun with it for esentially half the price of what it would've been at release, you don't need to grind if you don't intend to play the high difficulty modes. Either way and I got to exalted on several factions, got my main and 2-3 alts to max level (it was fun because of class specific content) and did the mage tower on my main as well. Now I didn't play through BFA, not because I didn't like it, but because I had life going on and I esentially forgot about it (thank god)

HD2 is one

Lmao i was just playing borderlands and was like lemme try destiny and see if its any fun

dont insult Borderlands like that pls ;)

Borderlands aint nearly as bad as destiny now.

Very true

@@lunarvvolf9606All of which you likely played once and then stopped.

Bingo

Hmmm… you critique bungie for greed and laziness… but you wouldn’t dare speak that way about other studios? You’re delusional.

Basically youtubers

@@isaiahkelly8955 We critique studios all the time? give me some names and will tell you my honest perception of them, I have a lot to say about studios and the state of "AAA(A)" gaming

Yep. I started playing in Shadowkeep after quitting at the launch of Destiny 1. Then I quit in the last season of the Witch Queen. Couldn’t be happier

I quit playing it many years ago, and I have little memory of it. Just bullet sponges and grinding. Loved the atmosphere of the game but when they started establishing new currencies for specific things, it just felt needlessly complicated and I moved on. I think I was in my early teens when they did that. Don't miss it!

You’re such a pansy if you let a damn video game ruin your mental health

how do you let a fucking game ruin your mental health tho dawg thats just a skill issue

@@NaderVaderYTexactly what I was thinking imagine being so delusional u blame a game for your mental health problems😭

Bye.

Its crazy that they never got suee for that. People always sight the EULA but none of those agreements are legaly bineing or hold up in court.

Yep D1 was screaming at us for what was coming even at launch

@@robertharris6092 Well, I guess EULAS do protect you fully legally.

@@manuxx3543 Byeee.

Same I was excited and got the season pass on launch because I love bungie. I do not even passively like bungie anymore and have barely played. Its that mind numbingly dull even when its putting its best foot forward for me.

@blackjack4677 and it's once again bad to this day

I remember the first time I read about Destiny on IGN, where it was described as having the gameplay of Halo, the story and characters of Mass Effect, and the loot system of Borderlands. As a huge Mass Effect fan, the idea of combining perfect FPS gameplay with rich storytelling and rewarding loot was incredibly exciting. Unfortunately, what we received was better gameplay than Halo, but a weaker story and even worse loot. This was such a valuable IP with great potential, but it seems Activision and Bungie chose to prioritize profit over quality, releasing games that didn't live up to their promise. As gamers, we also bear some responsibility for supporting these practices by buying the games. Right now, both Bungie and the Destiny IP need a revival. Sony's $3.6 billion acquisition of Bungie is a significant investment, and it raises the stakes for their next project. One could argue that Sony might have made more strategic purchases, like acquiring Crystal Dynamics for $300 million to gain the Tomb Raider and Deus Ex IPs, or even spending $6 billion to buy Square Enix outright. Greed is rapidly harming the gaming industry, and it's disheartening to see.

My uncle had the same one and he never ever played it

beta was more fun honestly.

forsaken was probably D2's taken king but since then its been actually ass and the fact most if not all the old dlc planets, and activities are vaulted and inaccessible

For me it was post rise of iron. That was thr best time.

Because Taken king was recycled from the og campaign and staff they fired before launch In D2 it was entirely new bungie

Agreed the best times in destiny was taken king and post rise of iron with the age of triumph stuff

@@coolbreeze6207 specially considering that the only reason Rise Of Iron + Age of Triumpf even released was to Pad out the Destiny 2 Delay Gap

Real bro.

I know, right! Everyone was hyping it up so much leading up to its release and I was so confused as to what it would be. Then when it came out and I could finally see what it was I said “That sounds terrible, who would want to play that?!” Silly me, that would become the games industry for the next 8 years 😅

L take

As someone who played the Destiny beta, it clicked with me immediately. It was a process warning people, "the is Borderlands the MMO with Halo multiplayer" but everyone I told, was sold on it and had a good time. Everyone I know who wasn't told that, felt ripped off. Their own marketing didn't help, but I think whether or not you played that beta helped temper your expectations on what game you were getting.

That’s how I felt too

But then y'all buy shit like FIFA and Madden, the actual jokes that actually steal from our money. Or perhaps your a Tarkov player in which case you bought an unreleased game for more than 2 fully released games......crazy, just crazy how y'all talk about destiny when worse shits happened and is still happening comparably.

​@@keithpierce5686 you are making up an argument to get mad over "you probably play x game which is why your argument is bad"

@@keithpierce5686 ok so theyre both shit lmao

@@keithpierce5686 So we're just making stuff up because we're mad now? Let's suppose for a second that OP does play all those games you listed. That doesn't make Destiny any less of a predatory piece of shit that has its Stockholm-syndrome-afflicted fan base convinced that it somehow isn't sucking them dry in exchange for mediocrity. Pointing out that "x game is predatory" doesn't make Destiny any less predatory, and the reason people talk about it so much is because of how impassioned its fan base is. A lot of people are very mad with what it has become, yet are still addicted to it and hopeful that it will "get better" when it's painfully obvious by now that it was intended to be this predatory from the start. It's like watching an abuse victim insist that they're not being abused when you've been watching them get beat for years.

@@keithpierce5686does not change the fact that what bungie did with Destiny 2 is any less bad tho

Yeah. I know that sort of pain. Felt it with warframe. Used to love that game, but the grind in that game never ends. Also just like Destiny warframe nerfs weapons all the time and just like Ren said in the vid, nothing hurts more than having a weapon you love become a piece of trash.

He’s getting a lot of shit wrong in this video

isnt that wrong? certain modes like trials or gambit give the overall advantage to players with higher light levels. while yes its a very minimal value, that matters a lot in a very competitive game mode like trials.

@@wokeuplikedis1500you act like sunsetting is still a thing

@@RavenUwU605 I wouldnt know, I dont play this boring game anymore.

​@@wokeuplikedis1500That has been turned off, regardless, the point was that he said you couldn't them use them at ALL, you could use it in casual PvP and even competitive, only Iron Banner and Trials had light enabled, which in Lightfall, they disabled light advantage in Iron Banner... so only one single mode of PvP asks for you to level up, and now after the Final Shape, you can bring even some static roll from Year 1 to Trials at no level disadvantage, or even a Master raid or a GM Nightfall... you know, endgame content, not like those old weapons could keep up with the newer ones after Witchqueen

Really? 5 years for new PVP maps?

Game is really good at moment loln

Nah bro made that up 🤣

adding new PvP maps to a 5+ year old game that already had, what? 40 PvP maps? seems completely unnecessary to me.

@@deriznohappehquite hey, the perfect customer!

Yea he is purposefully leaving stuff out to “make his point” unfortunately it’s a pretty crappy point especially now that final shape has dropped. Sure there’s been not great times in Destiny but as a whole the game is great.

I agree wholeheartedly. I remember using the bike to glitch into the first DLC areas and they were complete.

Bungie’s executives are wiping away their tears with their billions of dollars. 😢

@@deriznohappehquite Yeah, imo the executives are 99% of the problem :P I feel like if the creative and dev teams were able to have full control over the game within the budget instead of constantly having ideas shot down by executives, then releases would be significantly better

@@xxjayymonroe96xx86 pretty sure you’d just see scope creep and worse outcomes overall. Destiny is already quantity over quality. If you don’t have people to shoot down ideas, then you don’t have the resources to successfully implement those ideas.

Yep, I stopped playing that POS when they vaulted the DLCs that I just bought a few days earlier. Should have been criminally charged for that shit, I still don't know how they got away with removing content people paid for.

@@JohnDoeWasntTakenyeah shit pisses me off tremendously, like I get the quality of those expansions wasn’t great and the same goes for the og campaign, but if you can’t keep it together and you literally can’t ever play it again, why not just make a new game at that point🤦‍♂️why not just let people transfer their shit to the next game and carry on from there, oh wait they couldn’t come up with anything worth making a third game despite the rich universe they’re working with cause they’re fucking imbeciles, since d2 dropped literally everything in it has just been mid doodoo trying to keep people on the hook trying to get them excited about the next new big thing, shit is so assbackwards it’s painful, where ya know normally you get people’s anticipation after making a good thing that makes people look forward to more stuff they just make dogshit going oh it’s gonna be better it’ll be better I swear and so many nitwits keep fucking biting

@@JohnDoeWasntTakenbecause people took it and did nothing about it. No boycott. No lawsuits. Y’all just kept playing 😂

What the fuck are you talking about? It's a live service game are you still in the early 2000s where games were offline and the online was just raw multiplayer with the bare minimum of what most games have today? Team fortress 2 is a legendary game with microtransactions does this raise a red flag too? Don't be a moron.

Disagree, if there done right it’s fine to sell. If a game is good enough I don’t mind helping developers making a extra buck or two

@@yeetus_the_feetus4858I disagree when it comes to games that are about loot.

@@yeetus_the_feetus4858 except they use it as an excuse to give no content aka call of duty

@@yeetus_the_feetus4858 when you pay gate content, it incentivizes the development of less interesting and more bland content as a means to funnel people into the store. Its psychology 101, not rocket science. They dont hire TEAMS of psychologists on to help design their games in the most predatory way possible for nothing, use your brain a little. When they add cosmetics into the store it AUTOMATICALLY means they are developing less interesting cosmetics available for grind.

well if ya don't know ya don't know. but thoroughly agreed, Destiny took much from Warframe, ironic given how well WF is doing now. they clearly didn't learn the important lessons whilst coping it.

and comments full of people being like "I StOpPeD PlAyInG ThE GaMe 5 yEaRs aGo, ItS So sHiT NoW" like dude you are not even playing the game but are here to complain about it and then i saw some comments about "they turned a shooter into a puzzle game" while others complain about it being "just a generic alien shooter, which any game could do better" like choose one guys.... like the game does have its problems, content vault was definitely very damaging for the reputation of the game and there where definitely decisions made by Bungie that left players shaking their head (even though those often also get reverted later, not worth any praise, but worth to point out) but nonetheless its still a pretty popular game that never got outclassed by any of its competitors that came up in all those years (so much to "Any game could do that") and yet people who didnt played the game in the last 5 years come here to comment how "bad" it is (yet, apparently, its still living rent free in their heads after all those years. its hilarious)

Give it two weeks, you'll be bored again. Like clockwork.

Destiny 1 was unique and had a soul, DESTINY 2... it is sad

Doesn’t matter, still paid 🤡

@@joeb1185a soul??? Wtf 😂 they literally fired the composer and changed the soul of the game for what we got at launch lol must’ve been nice to have been a little kid when it dropped so you didn’t notice all that lol

@@CoercedJab played it for free on ps plus. Otherwise I never would have tried it.

Wow, ppl expect to get value for their money whenever they buy something, who would have thought!!!????

Ye this is really misleading, they were patched out for the good of the game, since then bungie fell hard, but sunsetting old weapons was a great decision

​@@eranronen573Sunsetting anything is just stupid

Wait how was it good for the game??

i would guess they were severely overpowered and detrimental to pvp or useless​@@jimmykeffer7401

@@jimmykeffer7401 Because it stabilized a lot of the networking issues they had, allowed them to actually make multiperk random rolls for weapons, and overhaul the lighting and VFX for next gen when Shadowkeep came out. The issue is people were too attached to weapons and gear that were no longer even remotely viable. As for the content that gets trickled in and out, that one is still a neutral wash at best, but I'll be honest it left a poor experience for new players jumping on after Shadowkeep dropped with the F2P a la carte model of content purchasing. People don't know anything about the Red War or Forsaken nowadays and are expected to care. People are expected to know this one single detail about this one character that did a thing in a season that they can no longer play. That's the main issue. Bungie has been doing a great job porting over pinnacle content from Destiny 1 back into Destiny 2 so that people can go back and experience some of the magic for free, which is a good thing cause nobody wants to go back to 720p sub 30fps 70fov console locked content that requires the purchasing of those games and the ownership of the dated/liable to break consoles.

To the destiny blowhards, all videos do.

I started playing Destiny 2 a year ago, and it's one of my favorite games now. Everything is free to try right now. I recommend it.

D1 at the end was a fantastic game. Such a shame.

D2 was a sour experience from day 1. I was obsessed with D1 and it was a night-and-day difference

Yea I wondered for so long why I never could get into D2 when it came out, and when it went free to play and tried it. I don't have the best memory of launch D2 but this may have been why D2 just looks like a sad husk of what D1 was. I didn't play much Destiny 1 or 2 but my dad used to love 1 and played 2 up to some point, I remmeber he used to tell me in excitment of the Taken King and how much fun he was having with it back then, it seemed he loved D1 a lot, he talked about D2 and Forsaken but stopped talking about it sometime after, I asked him a few years ago one day why he stopped playing D2 and he said it felt like a 2nd job more than a game, so it must have gotten pretty bad for my dad to stop lmao. D2 looks straight up horrendous these days after watching this video, I knew it was bad but I didn't realise it was this bad, and he has long left the game and now plays another game just as much as he did with D1 with one of his friends.

Defiance was a true MMO. Destiny used the “Shared World Shooter” moniker because it was basically just Halo matchmaking lobbies running constantly in the background.

@@deriznohappehquite and with that being said defiance was the first shared world shooter

@@J0kerswild21 Nobody used that term to describe defiance. It was just Bungie cope because their game wasn’t an MMO.

@@deriznohappehquite your trying to use semantics to be right by the word of the definition shared world shooter defiance was the first of its kind, regardless if destiny coined the term

@@J0kerswild21 Claiming someone is arguing semantics while arguing semantics yourself is PEAK KZfaq commenting x)

Nah Fortnite is overwhelmingly at fault for that one.

@@Juan-GC Fortnite is free to play and always has been.

​@@DuggyDarkoHe's talking about battle passes which are definitely a product of fortnights success. There's a lot to dislike about destiny for sure, but they didn't invent monetization. I don't really think you can make a case that their model of monetization is particularly novel or inspiring. DLC has been a problem for years in that it allows half complete games to be sold to be finished at a later time and if the game does poorly to pull the plug before they invest too much into it. Sadly developers seem to not understand that half complete games being unfun to play longterm is often why their games fail. Although a big reason for some of this is likely the fact game prices really haven't increased along with the development costs and expectations for what the games offer. This continued decline in quality has lowered expectations and the cycle of lowering expectations to wow consumers with the new trash continues. In general, I believe all content needs unsunset and we need to quit reintroducing old stuff into the game unless we are getting it all back permanently. I'm fine if they "update" old content, hell they can even rotate raids and dungeons weekly to help reduce the bloated file sizes. Same goes with strikes and so on. If world of warcraft and ffxiv can function with their amount of content I can't see what destiny has they don't.

@@jhemp fortnite battlepass is far better than destiny i haven't use real money to buy any fortnite battlepass for year now because they always give you more than enough v-bucks to buy the next Battlepass for free

@Dendyaryadi Of course, I'm not arguing that it isn't. My main point is that it is in fact the main reason so many games have one. Some games do it right and others leave much to be desired.

It's just so sad I fear the future of gaming

Incredibly well said. praise the sun ☀️

Lfg

Didn’t they fire the composer before d1 released? And y’all still bought the game and every dlc lol Then you’re telling me they fired the other composer too 😂

Never feel sympathy for d2 players. Bitch and moan constantly, are aware of all the predatory decisions bungie does, and what do they do? Forget about EVERYTHING as soon as the next dlc trailer launches... Bunch of fucking goldfish.

Agreed, Destiny 1 to me and my friends was a master piece of a game, and it had a soul, Destiny 2... I am glad i quit in time years ago.

Delusional 🥩🏇🏻’s one little showcase that shows promise and apparently everything bungie ever did fades away

@@Ligmanuttz lol that seems about right it's a damn shame tho shows the company just how they can loot for how little

Stockholm syndrom. Can't admit that the thousands of hours you invested in will become useless.

@@rohrbrot4563 more sunk-cost

Maybe because they just enjoy the game? The base gameplay is enjoyable.

Bingo - well said. I bought the Final Shape to finish the fight, did it and uninstalled. I cannot go on with this game anymore.

Destiny 2 now is in the best state that Destiny has ever been in, which is to say it’s pretty mediocre.

and people wonder why we can't have nice things anymore

Destiny might be disappointing now but that doesn't mean you need to fish for likes

yup rip destiny, ps3 players know

@@aspookyscaryskeleton1474 As you fish for likes by bitching about a comment. As I fish for likes bitching about your comment fishing for likes on a comment.

​@@aspookyscaryskeleton1474I mean it's hardly a big deal, it's not like likes even matter on KZfaq comments. KZfaq doesn't exactly have a karma system or anything.

Yeah, I played a lot of D1. Hated it 80% of the time but couldn't put it down because of the 20% I liked. Worst part is that I was only playing it because I had a cousin buying all the expansions for me. Then bought it all for me AGAIN when we made the switch to PS4. I didn't ask, he just wanted me to play with him, and it was *juuust* enough fun for me to keep coming back. Finally drew the line with D2 though. I still get asked on occasion whether I'm sure that I don't want to get back into it, lol.

Also the claim that Dark Below or House of Wolves had more content than the current seasonal model is just a lie. We get more story missions, we get about the same amount of exotic weapons and more armor, we get exotic quests, we get more new core activities usually at 2-3 per season, and often we even get raids, the only thing that misses is crucible maps really.

@@buddybeas5237 Yeah overall total content is arguable as well, I think Renn should have focused more on his angle of it being less meaningful content, I agree with that point completely.

yep especially with the current state of the game

@@au_crimmy8319 The current state of the game is great, though

Worst argument for seasons I’ve ever seen. They do exactly none of that. They’re grindy annoying and boring. I can’t remember the last time I gave a fuck about anything a single character said in a season, why? Because the stakes are SO LOW. We got more character development of JUST Eris mourn in TTK than we have of all characters combined in any of the seasons. It’s impossible to care about a season because they’re SO nonsensical “oh we are going to align with the fallen, go kill a bunch of them for some data and come back.” “I see, so the kell of a random no name house is upset. Go kill some more fallen for a different random drop item” Wow. Soooo intriguing. The expansions are SOOO much better at making you care about characters than season. For example. How much do you care about caitel or eramis? Probably basically nothing. Now how much conflict did you feel at the end of forsaken when you find out prince uldrin had his mind tampered with to be basically mind controlled into doing what he did? And THEN how you felt when you find out he’d been revived as a guardian by pulled pork, the unreasonably optimistic ghost that had spend uncountable years looking for the perfect guardian and scanning everything in his quest to find that guardian. Or better yet, how about when you watched cayde get shot and die? You know WHY you cared about cause at all? Ohhh that’s right, it was THRE STORY MISSIONS FROM THE MAIN GAME WHERE HE WAS ACTUALLY IMPORTANT AND NOT JUST ON A HOLO CALL SAYING “good job guardian the vex incursion was stopped” IN FETCH QUEST PART 1/50 FOR A SEASON. Seasons don’t make you care about character at all. Actually interacting with them does. And you only do that by having an actual mission that you only get from an actual expansion. Look me in the eyes and tell me the missions chasing cayde around Nessus weren’t INFINITELY better than TALKING to a seasonal npc story character. Hell no not even talking to them, getting talked at with a vague gloss over of the stupid sized lore dump you have to read on the quest page. They say some vague lines and then you have to read several paragraphs of text DESCRIBING WHAT THE CHARACTER YOU’RE TALKING TO IS SAYING INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING VOICE ACTORS SAY THE LINES. For example; Talking to ikora: *the hud gets hidden, ikora moves to the centre of the screen “good job guardian, the vex have been pushed back once again” The hud reappears with a new quest step to claim, the flavour text reads: Ikora stares at the sky, her face darkened by the shadow of grief, eyes almost glazed as she speaks “guardian, today we lost a fireteam of friends to the vault of glass,” her eyes light up slightly as she looks to you with renewed vigour “though they are gone they provided invaluable information that I have no doubt will be crucial to solving the enigma of the vault. Additionally the fact time seems to flow differently in the vault it’s possible we might be able to save Praedyth, though I’m not sure how. Regardless, the fight does not end here, I’ve received intel of a planned vex incursion on mars. They’re planning on using the planet as a staging ground for a direct assault on earth and the traveller. Go guardian, protect the city” Would that not have been 100000% better if she had ACTUALLY SAID ALL THAT instead of it being flavour text for the next step of the quest????? That’s all that seasons are, a vague barely relevant line followed by a written essay of what the character SHOULD have said in the first place. It’s hard to give a shit about them when that’s how the interaction with them are delivered. Let me again point out cayde, who you spoke to in real time while he was trapped in a teleporter. It was EXCELLENT because he was actually there, ACTUALLY talking, ACTUALLY giving you the next step, ACTUALLY interacting with you. Imagine how much less people would care about cause dying if it instead was “oh there you are guardian!” *flowery written essay of the exchange between cause and your ghost before he get teleported away* If you can’t tell, I hate seasons. TLDR: no tf they don’t. Seasons don’t make you care about anything because seasons suck horribly. The interaction with characters is non existent and boring. The gameplay for seasons is also mind numbingly repetitive and boring. It’s basically the live service fps version of fetch quests and collectathons, lazy, boring, and just there to give you JUST enough entertainment to get you from a to b.

no they havent

@@Aqsticgod that’s a lot of feedback there. Thanks

Best dlc?

@@yazcona13 yea. Better than forsaken and the taken king in my book.