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I also agree but for the life of me I've never heard/seen anyone on any of the socials say that the picture is good BECAUSE it is shot on film. All I've seen/heard is enthusiasm for what film has to offer in it being an aesthetic choice or because of process reasons. If these young photographer's pictures suck that's probably due to inexperience. Labeling them "hipsters" and accusing them of saying their pictures are good.....etc etc is both unfair and unwise. Kodak and Ilford need to sell film. The more people that buy film the better. Discouraging young people like this will mean none of us get to shoot on film.

@@jameskelly4196 Maybe you just haven't met/heard any people saying that. I have not either, but I can guess it's similar to other myth, if your photograph sucks, transfer it to black and white and it will be art. However, you might be right saying it's because of inexpirience.

​@@jameskelly4196 Agree, Good can be good on Film or on digital, As well as Bad. It's not bad nor good because of it. Sometimes people sanctify the medium, Both film shooters and digital shooters. That's what I dislike in these film forums and channels: You see bad photographs. On film. This just makes it "bad photographs made on film". It's just going to be making bad work more expensive.

hahah thanks Phillip, now where's that shovel?

wow ted, blush! 🌟 we need you in facebook.com/groups/AYPCLUB

My pleasure!

Glad you found us!

Our pleasure!

If I never talk about gear for the rest of my life it will be too soon.

Absolutely

So glad!

If those are the only channels you're seeing, then stop searching for them. The algorithm only gives you what you're looking for. Try channels like Make.Art.Now, The Art of Photography, PhotoRecTV, Nick Exposed, Mango Street, Sean Tucker, Thomas Heaton, Ben Horne, Jamie Windsor, Kevin Mullins, Andrew Kearns, Brandon Li, JR Alli, Jessie Driftwood, Mark Denney, Nigel Danson, Simon Baxter, Lindsey Adler, Kris Antoinette, Jessica Kobeissi, Sorelle Amore, Julia Trotti, AOWS, Dan Mace, Michael Widell, Evan Ranft, Joe Allam, Brandon Van Son, Greg Snell, Tyler Stalman, Yellowscale, This Guy Edits, Negative Feedback, Camera Conspiracies, etc. These are mostly content-driven channels with a sprinkle of gear talk (to draw in that audience), but overall I find these the most relaxing, entertaining, informative, or charismatic channels.

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Robin Breyl You know me, always on a PR operation.....about to start a film series about the Zine and the contributors.

Looking forward to those !

noticed this as well... haha.

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Thanks! 🌟 we need you in facebook.com/groups/AYPCLUB

Unfortunately not a face booker, not down with Facebook at all .. this is and the gram is about as much social media as I want :P.

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yes that's so true, your viewpoint and how you capture is uniquely yours!

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@@marcsilber for people with k knowledge and experience its is so crucial to not destroy the "young" people through false or harmful advice :) ! keep up the good work Sir :)

We will! Thanks for your support!

Thanks for joining us! Dan..

Gilles Peress is the photographer he was talking about in case you are still wondering :D

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and what are they?

Yes, you are now under my spell...

@@DANIELMILNOR505 Actually this will be my third during quarantine.

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you've come to the right place!

You can use Instagram and not fall for the lure of the likes. Instagram, like many things in life, can be useful and inspiring. It all depends on your approach to it. If it weren't for Instagram I'd never get to see Peter Turnley's work in NYC covering the covid crisis. There's wonderful stuff on IG you just have to be selective and know your own mind.

Ha. There are folks doing it and enjoying it but they are fewer and farther between, sadly. It's a grind out there and the virus has changed the playing field once again.

You’re right. Like any tool it’s how you use it.

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I did find the show notes and the link for Dan’s Instagram page does not work

I don't have an IG account. What list? You mean the list of myths?

Daniel Milnor Yes, Marc put together the show notes that list the myths and truths. Thanks!

Good parents.

Not a gallery but my studio. Where did we meet?

At the Camera store in Carmel. But that was about 11 years ago. We were living in Monterey. I now live in Albuquerque NM

Those are all amazing photographers but to your point, they already made their mark. But all of this is somewhat nonsensical when you throw KZfaq in the mix. You can build a huge following of people who simply don't know about any of the names you listed. That's how this system works.

@@DANIELMILNOR505 No doubt. I once commented on the post of an instagram curator/moderator for an account/hashtag with more than 100k followers that one of his own photos reminded me of a Munkacsy or a Kertesz (I think it was Kertesz's balcony shot from Mauritius, a late work). He responded that he had never heard of the guy and would check him out. After checking him out he replied that he found the guy amazing and would keep an eye out for him. This was, mind you, one of the guys "curating" the work to be presented for that collective account/hashtag.

I don’t know if I’d say their photos are bad, but most of them are definitely boring. It’s a trend/ phase for most of them I think; expensive medium format cameras (Mamiyas) or Leicas and Kodak Portra film. All their photos look the same. It’s all entertainment, nothing to learn from them.

I feel like we're misunderstanding the evolution of photography and how newer generations are choosing to immerse themselves, as compared to previous generations who had to rely on publications or gallery art to even be exposed to it. Photography has become less exclusive. And while some may not know who Annie Leibowitz is by name, they certainly know her photography. The name isn't important, I'm sure that one photographer in Hawaii has had exposure to famous work. And there are plenty of KZfaq and Instagram photographers who speak highly of Ansel Adams or Sir Donald McCullin, so they're not completely without historical context. People have become less trusting of what elitists think is "great", many prefer to change that definition to suit the tastes of the ADHD culture we now live in. Mainly, the reality is that newer generations want to consume art (or information) on their own terms. It reminds me of how media has evolved to a point where the public has a general distrust of journalists, and now rely on independent online journalism for unbiased coverage. This is important bc we're no longer dependent on elitists to define reality for us. It's fantastic that social media has made photography accessible to everyone, this is a good thing. The perceived negatives are that some photography online is full of HDR, color saturated, overexposed & highlighted photos, or reiterations of a current trendy style. And there's nothing wrong with this, if this is intentional & recreated, much like the photography of Gilles Peress. Photographers are breaking the mold with unique styles, such as Andy Gray's ICM photography, the Luminescent style of Brandon Woelfel, or the intentionally hyper-processed photos of Sergio Ramelli. While these styles are not to my taste, I respect their uninhibited rule-breaking. Also no, photography itself isn't hard, bc all Art whether painting or singing, is your personal form of expression. What they mean to say is Photography BUSINESS is hard, much like converting painting or music into a business, you have to convince other people to accept and buy your artistic interpretations. You have to convince people that recording a drill or chainsaw into your composition is now considered music or that a red dot on a white background is fine art. Societal consensus always changes, so forget this idea of "great", people redefine what's great everyday. It's up to US as creatives to make others see our own artistic perspective, otherwise we have no variety.

Thanks for you in depth observations. Shows that your really engaged. When it all boils down there are no rules to art especially when opinions enter in. We have a vision and a message as artists and try to bring meaning.

I was writing a long message, to pretty much say the same thing you are. These guys are making up myths I never heard of just so they can express there view. The just cause it's on Film it's nonsense. People are enjoying film and they are posting there progress I bet at the end of 100 rolls they will see where they started to now. And be happy with the growth they have made etc. And see there progress. People aren't just posting up film photos to say its art. They are posting the best photo they took they day. That's all, nothing more nothing less and in time they will get better and one day it can be art to your standard. I support all the Hipsters going to film and Kodak giving them a platform. It brings more people into the art, and it will introduce them to great film photographers from back in the day. But I wouldn't take people like these advice, cause art is art regardless of the Medium..

It's all good. Enthusiasm in regard to making pictures. It's the window dressing that cracks me up.

Daniel Milnor yer I know what your are alluring too . But come on dan , painting and drawing utilise many different materials and instruments, surely it’s ok for photographers too .... variety is good no ? Whether it be, phone, digi, 35mm, medium. Large , pinhole , polaroid/ toy or wet plate and tintypes ... maybe we need to encourage people to tell stories will slightly different tools to inject a different interest and aesthetics as part of those stories . .. sometimes what tool you use is an important part of the story ... ps there is a lot of guff about digi or digi shooters talk a lot of guff too :) .people will be people... in world were uniformity ,control , predictably are becoming the norm .. surely we need the artists and photographers to keep trying different things both old and new ... I say bring all the old knowledge styles and methods back , embrace them, use them and develop ,enhance them and learn them all, .. mix and match , different styles can compliment one another .. I think it would be cool for those commissioning work and projects to specify it be done on tin types, pin hole or large formats- or Polaroid to inject some randomness and variety in the images we are bombarded with , wouldn’t these be impactful in a different way , maybe having much more randomness in visual aesthetics ( not just the high saturation over Sharpe images we get as the norm) encourage us all to think in slightly more unique ways...maybe we in general should stop thinking of the old methods as old /antiquated methods and just as different or alternative methods and as viable options for something fresh , clothing /homeware fashion often revisits past decades and we don’t all eat fast /convenance food all the time , sometimes you really enjoy having an old fashioned cooked roast /chilli/curry meal ... finally politics is having a kicked in the butt being disrupted by the alternatives like , trump and bern . Maybe photography needs shaking up too ... be more Kline ..:)

@@gui4j I think something got lost in translation. Personally, I don't care what people use. I just made a 16x20 print from four acrylic paintings. MIxed media is great. But it's not the message. The print I made isn't about the technique I used to make it. Nor are my books about what camera I used. As long as people are happy and making what they want, I say go for it.

@@DANIELMILNOR505 thanks exactly the type of work we need to be talking more about , especially on social media .. alternative processing ./ alternative creativity/ alternative projects

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if someone doesn't use photoshop/lightroom it means that he's lazy

why?

@@marcsilber His face too close to camera, make me uncomfortable. Also your audio could use a little TLC. However; content was relevant. cheers 🙂