One important note is that since this weapon has infinite ammo and never needs to reload, it scales with fire rate really, really well.

its a free weapon that can handle steel path and is given to you before you even have steep path unlocked. Thats honestly pretty good to me.

Yeah i do think the lack of immediate access to any of the mods that provide this weapon's unique function has hurt it's potential in the eyes of a lot of players

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Grimoire is a good addition. It brings utility to your weapon set up which is DMG/Utility. Before the grimoire, the only efficient weapon set up you could have was DMG/AOE, DMG/Other status DMG, or DMG/Primer.

We have three weapon slots, not every weapon needs to be unga bunga me kill room. Having another slot to throw some utility into sounds great. Energy Book is probably going to be my go to just to free up the mandatory arcane energize slot or to be able to more easily run different focus schools aside from Zenurik.

AFAIK, channeled abilities live update their energy drain based on your efficiency, so it doesn't snapshot. It does, however, snapshot your strength.

I think you're spot on about people not liking it due to not having the mods. I just came back after 2 months, got it and started the newest content and wasn't a fan of it. I didn't even know the mods existed until I saw your video. I think this is definitely a primary reason for the discontent for a lot of people.

It's always nice to get weapons whose role is actual utility like the Scourge Prime or the Praedos and it's even better when they're solid on their own. Doesn't really need to be a room nuker or enemy disintegrator to be useful that way.

It would make so much more sense to have the canticle mods work on abilities, it’s a literal spellbook!

I'm glad you're back and feeling better Mr. Zime! Always excited to watch your new uploads, this one especially because i did not touch that book at all after leveling, seems like worth getting into it!

Gauss really works well with this and the duration-boosting invocation. His fire rate buff really improves the charge rate of the secondary fire and he wants as much duration as he can get.

The Grimoire has become my go-to on Yareli because I hate aiming precisely on Merulina and Critical Flow boosts the DPS a significant bit.

I wish the book was another weapon that went to level 40

As a support-oriented player I personally love the grimoire. Hoping for more unique support-esque weapons in the future!

I love the support aspect and value of the Grimoire. Think its an excellent addition to the game. Agree with your point of that some of its factors being active by just having it equipped instead of firing it would be a game changing buff for many frames.

I think that the book provides a much needed utility for non-support frames who don't typically run with a support backing them up. Even for support frame mains (like myself), the book does provide an extension to their utility prowess. I don't use it very often, but I do enjoy it and it does make an impact on the sessions I bring it on.

I think in general I feel like I want my warframe builds to work without using a super specific weapon with a super specific build. It is pretty funny on fire rate spammers like Gauss and the (much better than blades) Merulina Guardian Yarelis.

I agree with your words about players getting used to the power of Incarnons. I've been a bit confused by the performances of some weapons such as Staltha, Battacor, Secondary Tombfinger, Sepulcrum, even my old favorite Trumna lately. But it is true that Incarnon weapons are the endgame and that explains the power difference. It is also worth noting that getting headshots is not always easy especially in squads, or depending of your playstyle (running around with Gauss while seeking for heads isn't super comfortable). I've noticed that doing the Gargoyle's Cry event with Latron Incarnon is sometimes a bore because you just don't have the time to find enough enemies heads to charge your Incarnon. If the Grimoire doesn't kill fast enough, there are plenty of solutions to make it viable and it will buff you in return. Annihilating 20 level 200 SP heavy gunners in seconds shouldn't be the standard. If a weapon is able to do that, it's just super busted.

I hope you feel better soon man great video

the grimoire basically being forced to use Corrosive more or less doesnt show that it itself is weak, but how HORRIBLE of a decision it was to make corrosive not full-strip armor and instead lock it behind shards. Its another great example of DE taking away something we like then selling us back the bandaid. Its nearly as bad as the current situation with Augment mods being much needed buffs or cut features that should be part of the frames to begin with, but instead DE strips and sells it back as a mod slot filler band-aid.

It's tricky. I get why people would use it and say "It bad" because it does feel a little weaker. And I don't think "Just cast a buff" is useful advice as not every frame makes use of buffs that affect guns that way... However, the tome mods REALLY help frames that cast buffs with the extra strength or duration, and then you get the Canticle effects on top, and I feel it's a really compelling weapon for a select few frames. And while I love how robust Warframe can be and how sometimes these niche builds can form, the majority of players just want to pick a frame they like, a gun they like, a gun they like and a melee they like and don't really want to start mixing and matching and strategisingtoo hard. Even without the buggy canticle interaction, I've had a lot of fun running Grimoire on Gyre, a frame I kind of ignored until recently.

Im trying to use the grimoire on Citrine, and modify the build to use Galvanized Shot to take advantage of Prismatic Gem's priming effect. Not sure what to replace out with this build, everything seems essential.

The real kneecapper for the grimoire is that the mods - which are the entire reason you use it - are like a 5% drop chance after like 20 minutes of the Warframe equivalent of unskippable ads. Nova can't speed it up, map-nuking Gara cant speed it up, your skill does not matter, you will do nothing for 15+ minutes and you will be happy. Even if its not 20 minutes, it FEELS like 30. And then you might not even get the mod you wanted - or god forbid, you get a dupe of one you dont want. And then I look at Netracells - an incredibly fun mode that IS affected in speed by skill, and the rewards from that are a bunch of stuff you can just already get from Bird 3. They hardcore dropped the ball with this. I wanna use The Book, but I dont wanna spend 4 weeks grinding out The Book

The thing I like about the book is that its the first secondary weapon reward from a main story quest. When Reb floated that story skip idea one of my concerns as a pub player was that even if they solved the mods and builds issues those players would still be rolling in with their Lato or Kunai. Book is strong enough in normal path stuff to be respectable and its got that utility on top of it.

I’m trying to prepare for the release of gauss prime and the grimoire seems like it will pair really well with him. I’m mostly planning to use it for a thermal sunder spam build and this will definitely help with his energy economy. The increase fire rate from red line should let me spam the alternative fire as long I can keep hitting enemies with the primary fire.

Hey Broz, good to have you back and hood you’re better! I do want to disagree on one point: the Nataruk absolutely slaps, the Grimoire is nothing compared to it! Visually, I‘ve seen people complain about the book overriding their frames animations, and I‘m personally not a fan of the massive screenshake. That being said, my only real complain with it is that it doesn‘t deal Void damage; I mean come on, it‘s literal void magic xD

I went with full utility and charging speed of the alt fire, using as much multishot and fire rate i could cram in while still modding it for viral so when enemies are armor stripped it has a chance to get kills for the canticle, but that's not something i focus on. The duration one is helpful for my frames that have wrathful advance on it, so i can make it last longer as the duration is a bit on the low side. Efficiency is great for snapshotting channeled ability costs like gloom. You know, until DE someday makes it so you can no longer snapshot stats for channeled abilities and losing buffs automatically lowers the power of the ability. But still.

I myself really like the Grimoire. Its got a nice feel to it and im glad I got it. I cant wait to see more of them and this one is an ass kicker. Its not game breaking. But its pretty damned potent in my hands and i did not build like you did at all.

Glad you're feeling better!

Leaning purely into the invocation seems to be the way to go, at least in my opinion. By running all of the fire rate and multishot mods you can charge the orb extremely fast. Then you can fire it to gain a large amount of energy or strength. On frames that primarily kill with abilities, or really any Warframe that doesn't care about dealing damage with a secondary, this is pretty much best in slot. I run it on Titania with the power strength boost and throw down a Zenurik wellspring for a nice 80% increase in strength that lasts as long as you stay in razorwing. There are many other notable mentions as well, like using it on wisp before creating your reservoir or using it on Sevagoth before swapping to Shadow (which isn't even inconvenient as you have to fill his meter anyway.) If you're feeling particularly spicy you could add 60% duration prior to refreshing your abilities as Octavia or prior to using vast untime on Xaku.

I remember reading in the known issues list that this doesn't benefit from multishot. Can't remember if that wouldn't be fixed until the next actual update or what. Did you test this?

It’s an interesting choice for a weapon although they might need to change the canticle cause again I wouldn’t really be killing enemies with it when I proc better effects that could deal better dmg the lacteum is one of ‘em so they could either make it so that it procs on elements or abilities

Glad you're feeling better

I built mine as a status primer and buffing thing more. I did primed fulmination to hit more enemies with the alt fire and put the new radiation mod as well as either viral or corrosive and two augur mods for longer status and some damage at all. Other than that, it's just fire rate and I run energy regen and fire rate for the tome mods and lethal torrent for the last spot for multishot and fire rate on the tome itself. So total, it can give shields from energy spent, energy regen, fire rate, three statuses since it has innate electric. And it only takes two forma to do

See, now I loved it when I got it. It was outdoing my base Soma (it’s been a while, don’t laugh too hard!) and carried me through the questline, then farming other stuff. Now that I know about the other bits, it’s going to be fantastic

The mod drop rate from the mirror defense mode is way worse than brozime makes it seem. If you're a casual player like I am who has been playing almost since launch, realistically you have an hour or two of time to play every couple days. Playing mirror defense to get a single roll at the tome mods takes something like 13 minutes then another 3 or 4 minutes per round after that if you keep playing (which you'll have to do alone because every squad leaves after one roll of rotation c). Each roll feels like you have a 5% chance at getting any tome mod, then you can get any of the 8 mods available which probably won't be the one you want. This means you effectively have something like a 0.6% chance of getting Xata Invocation every 15 minutes since you have to wait for load time. It's insane to me that DE just did an entire update on QOL and they decided to just not implement a QOL change that they made for citrine's mirror defense mode and conjunction survival (where you get currency to buy the drops instead of relying on a lootbox). To make things worse, xata invocation (which is what everyone wants), has been increasing in price on warframe market. Last time I checked at peak hours when prices should be cheapest, it was going for nearly the price of the entire set from the in game platinum market which is just astounding that this system was even implemented into the game. I was lucky enough to get xata invocation as my first tome mod after playing like 20 rounds of mirror defense, which was horribly boring because mirror defense is basically survival minus the requirement to go kill enemies. If you only use this weapon for energy regen and don't want to install 6 forma on it, you can put on firestorm and max fire rate which basically means that every time you see enemies, you can launch the alt fire and almost instantly recharge the alt fire because max fire rate. Firestorm serves to hit more enemies with the alt fire. Realistically once you pass beyond normal star chart, unless you put 6 forma on this thing, the grimoire is going to do no damage whatsoever, so there is little purpose for most people to mod it for damage

Questions , im farely new coming back into the new stuff so bare with me. What is snapshotting? & Second , i get the canticles dont work without using the grim. Is that the case for the ability effect mods as well? I finished this quest and didnt even know it had unique mods

my new fav secondary, inf ammo, nuts fire rate and a great alt fire with a lot of build choices

Re: the power level of incarnons changing how players perceive new weapons: Whenever I try something new in Warframe now there comes a time when I wonder why I would do this new thing if I could just use the torrid incarnon.

finally I can replace zenurick ! I really hope you say where to get these special mods because I have none!

been loving the novel adaptation of arcane energize recently

Its not a weapon. Its a support item. A damn good one too. Ngl, I bought the mods with my war chest of plat.

Haven't played for a while so I don't have most of the recent stuffs here. I've a question, how's this weapon as a primer? And can it be a primer while also being the energy battery and armor stripper?

For high level enemies, you only need to have the grimoire active when enemies die to proc the canticle mods. Apply slash proc or other DoT with primary or melee and then swap to grimoire to reap the benefit of the canticle mods.

there should be a little option to click or a button to hold to be able to see a detailed description of a mod and how it works/it's effects.

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Would it be reasonable to have a speedva that could turn into a slowva? Using the str buff.

Isn't Fulmination a good idea if you just want it as a buffer?

loving this bug I'm having (not loving it) where ALL my primary and secondary weapons are missing their Arcane slots. like they are just NOT showing up as a clickable thing. sent a ticket about this, this bug happened to me once i did the cross save merge so.. hope they can fix it. right now im locked out of using arcanes for primary and secondary and it honestly sucks.

I want a version of this that throws out vertical and horrizantal slashes. Also who else thinks this doesnt do enough to separate itself from kunai besides a fancy mod slot.

Brozime I would very much recommend you give secondary encumber on Furis incarnon a go. It works super well and with the new radiation mod you can get 3 elements before encumber starts procing which already makes it better than hornet strike. (corr/viral heat and rad). Encumber also lets you proc the 1st evo that needs electricity without actually modding for it.

For people using this for the invocations, if you deal damage in operator mode with your scaffold (alt-fire) with the book in your warframe's hand, it will still activate the invocation. This way you can always trigger the invocations without needing to wait for the recharge.

Big caveat is that this entire weapon is basically built around having the invocation / canticle mods. The book without those is just an "okay" secondary that won't even reach the top 20-30 of good secondaries. And the mods are really quite painful to actually obtain, with a steep grind/RNG (it's a 5% drop chance from rotation C in a defence gamemode that'll be unable to have matchmaking in a few weeks - good luck!). Just xata invocation sells for 90p - you can buy several weapons that are better for that price alone, disregarding the canticle which also costs ~25p.

I think it's important to put the grimoire into context, most players starting the game today, will probably get to whispers in the wall before they unlock steel path, incarnon weapons right now are at THE END of the game and this is far before that, I don't think any quest weapon will compare to incarnons ever again and honestly I kinda hope that stays the case, I think the weapon is pretty good at the point that most people will unlock it, and for us veterans, has the invocations and canticles to make it useful utility late game (also DE please make more incarnons so we can have even more variety at the end game)

Use it on a frame with a couple of the new green shards for more corrosive stacks, or on hydroid, gives the weapon innate armor strip.

wait books shot now? i have been away a long time, how do i get this thing?

I use it for archon hunts 😂 You can also increase it's alt radius & clear a whole path or doorway. Increasing it's multishot will refill your charge like crazy. I'm just spamming alt fire.

I love the alternative fire. I can clear rooms in one shot with my setup

Also it could maybe do with enemy lvl during the quest and them being no steel patch as well

fun stat for the corrosive dammage : you do more dommage to an ennemi with 13 stack of corrosion and heat than an enemie with 14 stack od corrosion

If only the RNG on the mirror defense wasn't so rough. Really cool addition to the game though, hopefully they make more spellbooks.

Remember guys Hydroid can armor strip at 10 corrosive stacks without green shards since his new passive makes his first corrosive proc temporarily remove 50% armor upfront

Ensnare is a REALLY good combo I've found, not a big shock that the AOE book fits well with the CC ability but it was a lot better than I thought it would be.

My opinion on this weapon was colored by it being 1 forma unleveled garbage against the enemies in the mission immediately after that required you to equip it. When I get around to trying it fully built that opinion will probably change, but I still don't expect it to do much.

Me, a MR30 that knows all this. Also me : OMG Brozime Content

I now have a way that enables energy regeneration without the use of the almighty ENERGY PADS- from my experience it when combined with Energy siphon works great! I just wish the alt-fire had a specific mod that sped up its recharge

I elected to grind for the mods against most peoples suggestion of just buying them. I actually enjoy mirror defense. I just wish there was an invocation for range.

8:59 I would actually like to convince everyone here to look into Secondary Shiver. Flare is good if you're running a Fire build though. On Frost specifically, that and the CC/SC augment with his 4 make something weaker like the Grimoire hit *insanely* hard. Stronger weapons that you can do single target damage with, can also rather easily hit multi-million crits this way. Otherwise, you can get a raw 405% damage increase with 9 stacks of Frost status. You can pair this with armor strip tome mod and Corrosive or viral status (depending on the build). Gauss can also lay on the frost *and* boost the fire rate rather high, with some minor crowd control succ from his augment, so I also recommend it on him. Unfortunately for my heavy Nezha use on anything even slightly difficult, this build I concocted does not work, and the one in the video is better suited for him. Nezha hoola hoop can debuff a fair bit though so Duration/Strength or armor strip would be the go-to on him.

I wish you didn't need to have the book out to gather Invocation stacks, I'd like to be able to fire the alt-fire and swap off to another weapon.

I think the book should ahve been a new kit weapon, outside that its kinda underwhelming it is either soemthing youll never use because other seconderys are better at clearing enemies or youll use it for the memes or to minmax soemthing that very small extra step, overall the mods for it are just sacrificing a weapon slot for a modslot on your warframe

Does Arcane Velocity work on the Grimoire?

I'm starting to question why secondaries even use ammo in the first place, like what does that even add to them other than being annoying to use

Tell me... how many ppl are running wisp with the grimoire?

Also is this title replacing WWYUA?

I've noticed that no warframe has an animation for it... Well there's one. Dagath, but it's bugged last i checked I do hope they give frames their own animations (given that it isn't a melee weapon) with the Grimoire Cause that would be really cool Haven't seen anyone mention this at all

remember when we all thought they were going to nerf the Kuva nukor but instead they just power crept it

This looks like an excellent secondary for vauban.

if there was a duviri flavored tome weapon than they could 100% do the Orowyrm breath attack for the secondary fire!

The Grimoire is best used for any Warframe that likes to spam or Channel. Netra is great for Channels that have a high upkeep like Ember, Xata is great for one and dones like Hydroid, Vome is good for builds that don't have room for Blind Rage. The Canticles kinda suck at higher levels since they only work on Tome kills, but if you really want to use one I'd either go for Fass or Lohk. Fass if you want survivability with Shield Gate, Lohk if you want everyone to kill faster.

It’s my new favourite secondary. Not only is it a decent primer, but xata invocation makes energy upkeep extremely easy. Better than arcane energise imo due to its ease of access and use.

Since I got the Grimoire it has been stuck to my secondary slot. I built it full utility just to charge it faster. My Primary, Melee and Warframe do enough damage. I can sacrifice one slot to boost my kit.

Good to have you back!! :) honestly I hate to see how much people disregard it based on their first impression of it and immediately comparing it to incarnons, it definitely has uses beyond just energy lol, but i think one thing to consider is when you can get it, you have to complete whispers in the wall, which means you have to complete new war, which means you have to have steel path unlocked already... which means you will already have access to incarnon adapters before you ever see this weapon just something to think about for those struggling exactly where to peg the grimoire

Tome/grimoire mages are some of my favourite magic styles in fantasy I put 4 forma in that damn thing immediately. All I need now is an Arcane/warlock/sorcerer style Warframe that goes with it.

Need that 2023 Warframe Review

We love casting spells

A book that fires rapid lightning sparks How about a book that sprays a stream of fire A book that launches large, slow icicles A book that lobs bouncing, toxic blobs

21:48 How do green shards help Revenant? So much has happened in this update its hard to keep up lol.

The only buff i think this weapon deserves is a larger AoE to make spreading the assists needed for canticle buffs easier. An extra meter would be lovely.

Trading Primed Pistol Gambit for Creeping Bullseye is a wild take. 187% crit vs 200% in exchange for 20% less fire rate on this is wacky asf. You lose 20% of your status procs per second, 20% damage per second, and probably most egregiously 20% of your speed to build up cascadia flare.

it should be titled book review?

Is the "Why would you use" series dead? :(

Hopefully they'd make it so just holding the book out makes the canticles active. The wording does make it seem like that's the case but eh.

The Grimoire feels real nice on Harrow ngl

I just want to use this weapon for role-play purposes lol. Grab that Tennogen Wisp skin with the big witch hat and just run around slinging spells.

The mods just need to not drop only on rotation c cuz everyone leaves before it gets to that

with Gauss Prime coming there's an argument for Ris Invocation if you want MORE , LONGER

Grimoire is really fun on Gun-buffer Ember

Why would you ever build it for damage? I took it for a multishot / fire rate weapon for support purposes.

The book is a lot of fun I think some people just need to bring their expectations back down to earth with the rest of us.