In this weeks Tech Talk, Danny Richie from GR-Research walks us through the ins and outs of line source and line array audiophile loudspeakers. +++++ www.GR-Research.com Audiocircle: www.audiocircle.com/index.php...
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@zulumax14 жыл бұрын
Love hearing the physics and science behind what is happening explained. I was a sonar technician in the military so this makes sense explaining timing, phase shifts, and dB levels. Thanks for not dumbing it down.
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I feel like I am walking a fine line between trying to make this stuff easy to understand and not dumbing it down.
@howardskeivys41844 ай бұрын
Well, I have to admit that I’ve not been complementary of some of your videos. But, this one, I’ve watched twice to take on board its message. I found it educational, and informative. Thank you. Complements where complements are due. 👍
@SuperMcgenius4 жыл бұрын
As someone who built many diy speakers in the 80’s and 90’s I like how you explained this. I often went crazy trying to get the xover right. Not easy for the amateur.👍
@hi-fihaven22574 жыл бұрын
Audio Professor Danny now in session! Man I am learning so much from this video series. Very interesting video, as always. Before this, I did not know the difference between line source, and array speakers, and how they function. Thanks for making these awesome videos, and putting out all of this great knowledge. Learning from these videos is going to result in my system sounding, and performing better!
@kencohagen49674 жыл бұрын
Hi-Fi Haven me too. I'm learning everything that I couldn't get out of a the Speaker Design Cookbook as far as theory goes, and the professor here does a great job of describing exactly what's going on, I'm so happy I stumbled onto these videos!
@treyhorn56454 жыл бұрын
Great information Danny , very interesting... Once again , you have increased my education into a design I've always been curious about.. Thank you for you time and this Tech Talk series is always appreciated ... Have a fantastic week. ✌️
@NickP3334 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Danny! It was quite a treat to see another video of yours. I know they’re not the same type of design, but I own a pair of Tekton Pendragons which utilize a D’Appolito type array of speakers rather than a line array, but I understood what you meant about putting your ear up to the drivers or tweeters. They just aren’t doing what you’d think they would be, but when you step away, a large soundstage occurs. It’s like some kind of magic trick. Thanks so very much for sharing your knowledge. You’re obviously a true master of your craft. 🎶🔊🙂
@ronaldjanmaat61914 жыл бұрын
Great way to learn what basic design rules to apply when building a dipole speaker. Tnx!
@johndaddabbo93833 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'll just say this - Wow!!! Thank you so much Danny... so educational / enlightening / and down right fun!
@thomshere4 жыл бұрын
What amazing speakers! Thanks so much for this series!
@stuart3024 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, thanks Danny!
@shimofo14 жыл бұрын
Love the vids Danny!!!
@bartvanransbeeck13414 жыл бұрын
Great insights on acoustics , thanks for sharing the know how dear
@nerijusmorkunas94824 жыл бұрын
My fav man of all times!
@njc99113 жыл бұрын
Great explanations. Thanks.
@fredthompson45324 жыл бұрын
Very intrigued by the open baffle video. I currently own a pair of BG RD-75's that I've been running in a sealed enclosure crossed over at 300Hz to a 12" Aurum Cantus woofer in a transmission line enclosure. I'm happy with the setup but find the mid bass to be muddy. I'd appreciate any thoughts on a line of open baffle mid woofs along side the RD75's mounted open baffle as well.
@MartinHAndersen4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. When will the new linearray be ready?
@jero18364 жыл бұрын
Danny, I love these videos and want to say how much i appreciate this. Big thumbs up. Thank you very much. Jeroen
@raymondgrima78444 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Danny. Very good video. Are the "Line Source" speakers going to be only available in the US or orders are going to be taken even from Europe, please.
@broberts5occ4 жыл бұрын
Thanks you! I learned a lot in this video. Look forward to more content.
@jondoe66184 жыл бұрын
What about curving the front baffle to point right at the listener? That should help drastically right? Assuming the seating is always the same.
@88JohnnyB3 жыл бұрын
could you go into some more detail about how you make a crossover for multiple bass drivers, as in the nx speakers, and more interestingly the crossovers for the line source? There is frustratingly little resources I have found for designing non standard slope crossovers. I'd like to learn, so if you could point me at a beginner friendly resource that would be awesome.
@MichaelBeeny4 жыл бұрын
An interesting overview, well explained. Thank you.
@eug3nius4 жыл бұрын
I assume those planar drivers in the line source don't do mid-bass, so what will you be using for that in the actual speaker? Dedicated mid-bass drivers or just your open baffle servo subs?
@gamecockspalmetto4 жыл бұрын
Danny how does the NX ETREME compared to the line source array next to it compared?
@sudd36604 жыл бұрын
thanks for talking about this topic, i enjoying listening :) when you mention beaming i just remember that my 2 way speaker(Spendor SA1) has 4800 hz crossover point, and sure enough playing 4500hz on them the output varies a lot off axis, a lot of dips moving my head around one speaker playing. thousand hz above and below that it is nice and even. i got a well dampened room above 1000hz so i don't notice the beaming in listening position, but i imagine in a bigger room with more reflections and placed properly for imaging those dips may add some coloration from the non direct output.
@smwsmwsmw3 жыл бұрын
The Genesis Prime speaker system (latest iteration of the Infinity IRS/Genesis One) uses a line array of 20 round planar tweeters in front, plus 6 in the rear, per channel whose diaphragms are more than one inch apart. Does that make it a bad design?
@chuckwilliams9994 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good info as usual, Hope you have them hooked up when I pick up my upgraded speakers.
@zorhis19963 жыл бұрын
would having a line array help with punch in a system ? im looking for big impact , im looking at fullrange drivers meant for line array
@MaxiMe-et4zs4 жыл бұрын
Great video Danny very informative. I have some what of an interest in full range drivers, what’s your take on that (OB, horn loaded)? The prices of some full range drivers is enormous and is that “justified” if you can get a really nice multi driver set for the same price? Maybe an idea for a next video
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
I have tested and measured about 100 different full range drivers over the years. I have designed and sold some as well. There are some disadvantages or limitations to overcome in all cases. The larger diameter drivers have very a poor off axis response. The smaller ones have low sensitivity. None of them typically play down very low. All of them give up speed, clarity, and detail to any good tweeter. Many of them have break up or rising responses that need to be corrected. I have yet to have one in here that didn't need a correction filter of some kind. Some of them though, have a really nice mid-range.
@planchernewfinish4 жыл бұрын
how much could a line array of mid and tweeter cost like the ome in the back?
@JustinLoving4 жыл бұрын
Great video..I’m highly interested in the upcoming true line source....will have to drive out and demo them when I have time.
@garysmith84554 жыл бұрын
I am about to purchase a pair of Martin Logan ESL-9 electrostatics. Are they not considered a dipolar line source? I also like the fact that the panel is crossed over at 380 Hz. far from the sensitive portion of our hearing, a true two way system..... Danny, you may have a thought about these? I would be interested to hear.... (O:
@simanad1234 жыл бұрын
Is it a good match for line array open baffle ? w17rc3808 and pt2c-8 9 each side thank
@CristhianSerrano4 жыл бұрын
how picky are line source speakers when it comes to the room size or room characteristics? do they demand a lot of distance between them and the wall and the listener?
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
Some can load the room (like our old LS-6 and LS-9 models) and some don't load the room as much (open baffle models), but the open baffle models must be further out into the room. And a 6 foot tall line is just tall enough to cover an average listening distance for most room.
@cliffordcostley97984 жыл бұрын
What about the "EPIQUE” line array speakers? I believe they are phase arrayed.
@kencohagen49674 жыл бұрын
By beaming do you mean getting more directional? So the line array is a way to cheat and widen the soundstage? And if I have that right, I have a pair of Silver flute 6.5" woofers, or bass midranges. The guys at Madisound told me to cross it over no higher than 2500 HZ. But at 2200 HZ it starts beaming and looses the width of its soundstage. So, I also have a pair of Peerless Dome mids from an old pair of speakers I built years ago, and a matching pair of their dome tweeters. The tweeters have been used everywhere, they are rectangular with the voice coil wires coming up to the voice coil from the bottom or top edges of the mounting plate at an angle. Once you've seen them you'll recognize them. The only problem with them is that they seem to drop off like crazy at around 10khz, or so it sounds like it does. But getting back to the woofers, if I crossed them over at roughly 2khz and used the dome mids fromthere up to where the tweeter wants to cross over, would that work? Could I ad a larger woofer to handle the bottom end as the flutes drop off at 50 Hz and I'd like something to take it down to at least 30 Hz?
@JordanKL14 жыл бұрын
The advantage of having 2 drivers over 1 larger one is that the driver mass is reduced right? On a large woofer the motor strength can be so much that the mass is completely insignificant. This line array stuff seems like a wild goose chase.
@dougleydorite Жыл бұрын
Will these sound good still if your ceiling is just under 8 feet? (The xtreme)
@amritjanardhanan3 жыл бұрын
Great strat tone in the intro lol. Texans know how to handle strats
@miguelmunoz1713 Жыл бұрын
Just ordered my NX-Treme 👍
@johngore51274 жыл бұрын
How do these kinds of speakers load the amp? Do you need a lot of wattage to drive them with good volume?
@jeromyweise88314 жыл бұрын
No, from what I understand it's just the opposite. Using so many drivers makes "line" type designs a high sensitivity system. You could also throw a lot of power their way and they'd love it, but it's not necessary. As far as amplifier load goes it should be about same as any other 4-8 ohm speaker,depending on how the design is wired.
@andrewmanus56864 жыл бұрын
To save cost on the line array could you have the drivers all in a aluminium frame that sets in a mdf cabinet? What is the expected full cost for line array on both kit and complete options?
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
The original Line Force was in milled Aluminum. It was a lot more expensive and really heavy compared to this last pair that was a milled composite.
@andrewmanus56864 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 what I was trying to say is just a 1" tray that holds the drivers you screw the tray that is 6 ft tall to the mdf
@RealHIFIHelp3 жыл бұрын
What are those blues mono blocks? Looks nice.
@hoth2112 Жыл бұрын
They were custom built by Gary Dodd (Dodd Audio) for Danny to use at audio shows.
@trevorm5744 жыл бұрын
No plate on receptacle! I wish I could turn off my electrician brain sometimes.... lol. Great vid!!
@newagegaga4 жыл бұрын
No sound test?!
@snowblow19844 жыл бұрын
Line arrays are my favorites!
@K-Effect2 жыл бұрын
Have you decided to offer that in a kit yet? If you have our love to buy it
@hoth2112 Жыл бұрын
The larger BG Neo 10 mid-drivers are no longer available, and the newer GRS version from Parts-Express hasn't been suitable for this application. We're looking at possibly an updated version using the Radian LT6 and LM10 but that will require custom versions to match the impedance. We will also need to design a new cabinet that will fit the new drivers, so even at this point we're a year out before we can properly test a first prototype. Even as a kit, they will be very expensive and will require subwoofers, as they will be limited to 125-150Hz on the low end.
@vtkz4 жыл бұрын
KS Digital Linemaster - one of the bests ;-)
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
With that design, the length of the tweeter greatly limits the vertical dispersion. The highs will be very limited to a narrow range that must be kept at ear level. So it will not be a speaker that will produce an very even in room response.
@monterok0064 ай бұрын
I have (4) 6 inches mid driver line source and crossed at 1400hz.. it's sounds amazing even from a hundred meters away
@monterok0064 ай бұрын
with 7 inch front baffle*
@jessicaembers9243 ай бұрын
I don't care what anyone says, i Just LOVE Multiple speakers! The more the marier.
@gerritgovaerts84434 жыл бұрын
No mention of Don Keele's breaktrought Constant Beamwidth Transducer ?
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
Why would I?
@gerritgovaerts84434 жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 because it's a line array with huge advantages compared to traditional line arrays . Science progresses . That's why
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
Actually in a home audio setting they really don't have any advantages over a straight line array. But they do have some disadvantages. The curved baffle causes further delays in time across the length of the array. So it causes a slight time smear as the arrivals vary more compared to a straight line source. It also limits the coupling of the higher frequency drivers and limits sensitivity. There also aren't any line sources of that type available, completed or in kit form, that are beyond budget performance levels.
@clarkgriswold4304 жыл бұрын
What about the price and availability of the Neo 10's..? $370 each on parts-express..
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
We are working on development of our own Neo 10.
@loudspeakerchefOriginal3 жыл бұрын
Line source; does not become one driver, only at lower frequencies.
@scottxfactoraudio87992 жыл бұрын
Hmm, What are these, "Magical" attributes of the much vaunted. And yet very seldom seen- "Line Source Array" speaker systems he alludes to in the video? I thought that the "Line Source Array" theories, orig. (White Paper) laid all of that out in a very clear fashion.
@bc527c4 жыл бұрын
Both of those speakers and your servo controlled open baffle subs are the only speakers on earth I really really really want to hear...
@ozzyaquanut89034 жыл бұрын
i have no electronics training at all... i'm a cabinet maker. i really wish i could get my head around this stuff! i'm keen to build my own line source or array speakers. but i simply cannot comprehend this information. i think i need to see it in practice, not theory. it's very frustrating for me not to be able to grasp the technical side of all this... :(
@poserwanabe4 жыл бұрын
You don't need to !! You're a cabinet maker, get a set of great diy plans and do what you do best, the vendor will supply the drivers and crossovers, boom !! You're done !
@jameschiles8724 жыл бұрын
Well now I know what I don't know..!
@AdamsOlympia3 ай бұрын
I wish I could have grabbed those 3 line arrays that Ken Fritz’s impatient family sold after he died. He had nearly a quarter million invested in them and the kids let them all go for 10 grand. !!
@clarkgriswold4304 жыл бұрын
Please please offer them as a kit also..:)
@BB0108644 жыл бұрын
How in God's earth do you wire that thing ?
@TheBodhisattvaWisdom4 жыл бұрын
I'm not very technical, when building speakers.... My best tool, are my ears
@dannyrichie97434 жыл бұрын
The most important tool: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fZ2aeKSZ1Zuqm2w.html
@SuspiciousAra4 жыл бұрын
consider this: talking about frequencies above 15kHz and the useful information carried in those frequencies. really? most people who CAN afford these thing are in the the age of NOT being able to hear anything above 15kHz. even if you CAN hear 18kHz it still does not matter. NOTHING useful at those frequencies. and yet we are talking about so high frequencies. please enlighten us and explain what in the world is the useful information at those frequencies. my personal opinion is that HIFI world are just artificially creating things nobody needs and forgetting the real important things: what's the use of it? do we really need it? or is it just a waste of time and resources.
@hahasimpsons4 жыл бұрын
I have my hearing tested annually and can hear out to 18k. Beyond that my level of hearing drops off fairly quickly. Material in that range adds openness and airiness. I don't think "airiness" is an actual word though. lol Point being, Not all ears are created equal and I am often bothered by the sound of batteries charging or capacitors filling up, so some people can appreciate the upper end of the range. Now speakers that go to 45k are just plain stupid as you would most likely agree. I have no idea what those speakers cost, but given that people I know will have spent $24k on just their cable TV bill over a decade could have put that money towards better speakers if they were so inclined, and I know I spend over $1k/month on hobbies of mine, so I can see one being able to cut some costs and save up 50K within a few years if they wanted to.
@charleskatz26064 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@MickeyMishra4 жыл бұрын
okay take this or what you will. So I know last month I subscribe to this Channel. this month I am not. I'm not mr. tinfoil hat or anyting but something sure seems to be odd here....
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What do you mean?
@MickeyMishra4 жыл бұрын
@@Newrecordday2013 All I get when I search for New Record Day is Kirby meets Audio and others within Google. Not with Duck Duck go or other search engines. In fact, I was looking to give the link of the build kit and website, and it does not show up. Tried with VPN and same thing. In fact through KZfaq, I have not been able to even get your videos in the search by keywords. I may not build speakers for a living. But I do know when somethings a foot with web traffic. Someone has hijacked your keywords on ad-sense if you ask me.
@Newrecordday20134 жыл бұрын
That’s really bizarre, how would that happen?
@MickeyMishra4 жыл бұрын
@@Newrecordday2013 In the past, it was done with loading the algorithm with keywords that would match your channel or website. Say for example you had a product or video named "ACME-1" ; they would then use those keywords to push or move traffic to their videos or website. So what ends up happening is that content that is you at ACME-1, gets flagged for not being the real video that people are looking for due to traffic going to another video or site. Its a funny trick you can do with SEO's that will essentially lead to folks like google to redirect traffic from your website, content, or videos to other sites or content. You can try it yourself by adding "DIY speaker upgrades:" and then add a product name you offer. See what comes up when you do this via VPN so google does not know its you looking it up. The side affect of this is that KZfaq then automatically prunes subs from channels. that they re promoting on their platform. This came out in the days when Philip Defranco had a meeting with KZfaq Years ago as he fell from grace of the platform. Its just something I noticed and few others who mentioned to me they as well were auto un-subscribed from your channel. Please tell your subs to click the bell. Its the only way to tell the KZfaq search engine that in fact your Viewers are looking for this content and not others. Just being a good neighbor and pointing out. :-)
@geraldmosley21954 жыл бұрын
Show us DANNY!!! to much sleepy talk, talk, talk. He could tell a good bed side story!!! 😴😴😴