We were never dreaming of the Amek. But the Thyst 4 just sounds great!

all I''m gonna say is "If you like this video, please like this video". If you like this video, please like this video. Just kidding, not my kind of plugin, but I appreciated the video nonetheless. On the full mix I prefer the BX AMEK... it sounds "lighter" and I think this lightness and transparency fits this song better. That's crazy, because in the single cases throughout the video I tended to prefer the Amethyst. There you go. If you liked this comment, please like this comment. Keep on doing you!

I got a 'little' bit annoyed and passionate about this very topic on one of PA's video comments section. Very, very glad that you have done this video - makes me look less of a crazy man 😂

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That's why it's all subjective. This genuinely may be meant to be a full transparent channel strip as it may suit certain engineers tastes, just like yourself. That's why I'm not really knocking it as if the sound of the amek is fully intended to be this then fair enough. However If I start getting shit about it from bx and PA then I'll know its not haha

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@@PaulThird btw, in your Neve 31102 video please include the 1102 by Tim P. I have the channel strip fully set up and working across multiple tracks in Logic Pro X, and the thing is excellent. I've also mapped everything to the smart controls to control it through one GUI. It sounds awesome, definitely a must imo

I completely agree with you. This was hard for me to mix with as I'm so used to colour boxes when boosting. It's not as fun for me haha

That's indeed the best strategy: EQing with modern tools that have a advanced gui (Fabfilter, Sonible Smart EQ3, Melda tools etc.) and getting the dirt from dedicated boxes.

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It's always going to annoy me haha 😅

@@PaulThird If Fletcher or Munson were alive, they would also feel the bad vibe!!

I agree. Did you see that console plugin demo for KIT Plugins - BB N105 by another KZfaqr? It was like 5db louder! I complained in the comments and got slammed. FFS.

Wait till you see the gearslutz thread 😅 it's a MESS! it's got personal talking mcbrides lawsuit and how the plugin was rushed too quick and not betatested and how it was broken on release and been no support from the dev for bug fixes. I seen some plugin doctor graphs and it's rippling and truncating by the looks of it. Dunno if it's all fixed now but it's an absolute mess for a first release. If it's not fixed by tomorrow then it'll all be in my comparison. Sound is all that matters in the end but we'll see how we get on with it

@@PaulThird They have released a 1.1 already. Btw I pulled up the latest version of Snow Masterbus after your last message and got some great sounds out of it. They fixed a load of major bugs that made my give up, and it sounds pretty great. But CPU usage is insane when using all the functions. The most of any Aqua to date that I've used or equal to Erin. This is going to be for mastering sessions only!

As I wasn't looking for a blind test in this one it made sense to show the plugins side by side 🤓

I had a guy give me lots of hate after the pink vs Lindell video. Cpu, acustica myths, I work for acustica etc etc all that crap. DM'd me on Instagram last week (6 months later) apologising and he now owns magenta and water 😂😂

I totally agree, and am in the same boat regarding Acustica Audio plugins though I can't lay the blame totally with Mr. Third (just partially) ...

I really don't like to think how much commission I potentially could have made if I had a discount code or a referral link. I make commission from anybody that buys sonimus stuff from my discount link and that's done not too bad. I've had way too many people that have told me they have bought acustica because of my videos Id be f*cking minted man 😂😂

😆 No doubt. Let's hope they come to their senses soon and recognise what's up!

@@PaulThird it’s funny that people get so angry about their “favorite” plug-in company. I LOVE Plug-in Alliance, best subscription plan in the industry IMO. I also love the sound of Acustica now. To me they can really sound phenomenal. But I don’t use them for everything because their tech has drawbacks in addition to their incredible sound quality. I just feel lucky to have an assortment of tools that can give me both: incredible sound quality when I want the extra and can spare the CPU, and simple fast efficient workflow when I want that. We’re all lucky to have all of them! 😂🙏

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I've started to see it get slightly better since I've came on the scene with guys that I know watch my videos but its still pretty bad and widespread still 🙈

@@PaulThird yep! SSL demonstrates those overpriced plugs(fusion) without level match)

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I get what you are saying but it's not a qualitative difference. It's a workflow thing which has its own merit but you can fall into a rabbit hole where somebody could argue a stock channel strip uses 1% so why use the amek. That's why i just deal with the sound as if I want a certain sound but it's high cpu then I can just freeze or commit. There's workarounds for it and depends on your processing power. Depends on how they spread over the cores as well with multiple instances. For example my i9 can take like 47 fully working pink instances before cpu errors Where as the sound is the sound. You are given what you are given. There's no workarounds for it

you just bi@tch slapped the kid in the face with saucy juice from a fat black welfare mama after breaking a sweat from jogging around Hyde park an hour.

As soon as it came out my inbox was constantly 'tried the new amek yet?' 😂😂

Harmonics are still very clean. Input at 7. THD 3/4. More THD but still pretty marginal. Still only an audible 3rd Harmonic really. its still extremely clean. Problem is that the more you hit the input then compress it actually brings down the THD. Even at very low compression it doesn't add any more harmonics. Even by 'abusing' the plugin it's very clean and can't get anywhere near the amount of harmonic content of the amethyst compressor. The range of harmonics made is purposely limited. Dunno if it's to reduce aliasing as it's something the bx consoles are stellar with but possibly cause they limit the overall harmonic distortion the plugin makes 🤷‍♂️

Ah, I just got to you talking about the harmonics in the comp section. And that may be what I’m hearing. Even order harmonics tend to read as more hidden and “sweet” sounding, and I bet the Amethyst comp favors them over odd harmonics. Possibly why it still sounds clean but just a little sweeter.

Think you may on to something here 🤓

Clarity of transients, focus, depth and blending with the source is where Amethyst excels hands down

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I also mix and master in samplitude pro×6 alot of people sleeping on that daw

I have the same issues: Producing in Ableton and mixing in Reaper here.

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I refuse to put any eq's on my mixbus unless it my bettermaker/AA titanium combo haha In all honesty though either would work well on mixbus due to the transparency of the eq's 🤓

@@PaulThird Maybe you should make a screenshot of your favourite bettermaker/ titanium settings, just for your Patreons...Hint...hint

Will do!

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I dunno how long I'll be able to do it for though.. Killing my throat 😂

@@PaulThird Hang in there Paul. We all appreciate the work that you do.

That's why we are all really here!

And you´ve been GREATLY rewarded this time. 😂😂😂

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agreed. i used amethyst to get a more 3d pluck that sounds like/better thn the old school EDX/Chris Reece pluck and use amek on master with cla-2a to clean up the sound. i dont even use the amek 200 anymore. i thought about buying pulsar massive but amethyst and amek 9099 together does the job. add warmth and dimensionality with amethyst, cut back surgically with 9099.

My wife only likes my KZfaq accent cause I pronounce words properly haha I fall more into my Scottish dialect at home and she hates it 😂

@@PaulThird 😂😂 I can understand. My wife prefers that I pronounce my words with the Queen's English. Your accent is dope. South African accents are not as cool

It's more the feel I prefer in amethyst. I move to the beat a lot more and feel the track 🤓

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Nope. That's the sound of the Plugin. That's what they went for

Yeah it was a pain in the arse to match the curves of the PA. Could be done but was using different settings in the amethyst. Having eq A and B helps a lot as it gives you more options. I know I would Intuitively use amethyst different from PA due to the curves and options 🤓

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I've been asked by a few so I may do a quick video on plugin doctor

@@PaulThird Thnx bro...blessings ☝🏾🎩!!!

I wouldn't be wasting the money I've already spent. A new computer will be inevitable anyway when you think about it. Either that or utiluse freezing like I used to do in the i5. I could do a mix without acustica but I just don't wanna 😂 the tools that I've chosen give me the pallet of sounds I desire to quickly paint a picture. I use way less plugins when I use acustica.. Pain the arse at times but worth it for me 🤓

@@PaulThird Right on, new computer is inevitable. I've got an i7 with 32gb of ram but I still need to freeze a lot! a pain like you said. Well, thanks for your time and advice. cheers

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I always get wary when I do a shootout of a plugin everybody is raving about haha 😅😅 I have a habit of being a bit of a party pooper

@@PaulThird please do one of the Blackbird Kit console!

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If your throats not up to it it's a killer the way I say it 😂 Ive got a bit of a cough.. Game over 😅

Of course, why do you think they started the damn word with Hell- ; they knew what they were doing! :)

I couldn't sit through over a hundred hello everyone's 😂😂

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@@PaulThird be interesting to see you do some measuring of the width control on the bx amek. seems to add a tonne of top end too the sides but it gets so much louder so fast so it instantly sounds amazing would be interesting to see it level matched and see what kind of phase mess its creating etc..

Yeah I was thinking that cause I only used stereo width on the piano and it's definitely brighter but the curves remain the same so its possibly the phase

@@PaulThird i tried it on overheads and it seemed to get a lot brighter but the hi hat intro if the track i was mixing seemed to start doing some weird phasy type things.. i need to take a closer look there was a fair bit going on in the mix, i added the amek towards the end so perhaps it was just accentuating a problem that was coming from somewhere else etc

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Be interesting to see if they make any changes to the PA if it is still in the beta stage

Amek won this one. The AA is muddy - I don't need another saturator, lol.

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doesn't prove the fact, that it doesn't generate any harmonics and plugin alliance did the same for AMEK EQ, bx_2098 EQ, bx_console AMEK 9099 & bx_console N

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Nice one. Doesn't matter you're 'late' - i recently got the BX_A and this weekend Amethyst in the sale. Thinking to 'hybrid' them, for cpu reasons

I've discussed it in loads of videos. Unfortunately it's the issue with convolution. Due to every move you make loading a new impulse response it takes a lot of cpu. It's just the makeup of convolution. That's why your install files are HUGE. The more options it has the more sampled impulse responses there are. It's a complete different set up to algorithms which are more code based. I'm hoping by the time more powerful computers become affordable Acustica's technology has advanced where they meet in the middle and its just like using an algo. Price is decent with their sales. The summer sale just now is mental. £30-£80 for a lot of their best is amazing value but I've been in the same boat. I actually had to bide my time with magenta before I got it. Even at £80 it was a lot of money for me to justify. The more you buy you get put into set discount tiers even on sale prices but you need that initial investment. That's the pain. I'm pretty sure control room (fb forum) have 50% off acustica all year round. It's like £2 a month or something. Whether they still do it I'm unsure. IF you've got a low performing computer then you can utilise freezing like what I did in the i5 lenovo. Once I got used to that workflow it was a piece of cake. I'm on protools which is a cpu killer anyway. I've been told reaper is way better to host acustica plugs in terms of cpu due to protools AAX threading or some crap like that 😂 Acustica is an investment. That's the issue. Its whether you are more sound or workflow based. I go for sound as I feel I get better results and it's closer to hardware so I get more depth and character. It's all subjective though. You've really got to believe in the Acustica and nebula stuff to change DAW's, computer, workflow, lose more storage space etc if it's something that you find marginally better then I'd just say stick to what you got and make the best out of them. It's a lot of money otherwise 🤓

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I've ran a few things through an 80's amek console and it was pretty coloured but it wasnt a 9098 If it is really as transparent as the PA then just use a stock daw compressor or another free clean compressor 🤷‍♂️ there's tons out there

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Absolutely 🤓 both won't ruin what you've got already

1. Bx amek is so clean and internally oversampled that aliasing isn't an issue. 96khz just means that niquist exceeds further and really in this case is very unnecessary. These plugs would arguably sound the same at 44.1 & 48k. Lindell at x16 is comparible to pink but still differences but id definitely say it sounds it's best when at x16 when I tested it in both videos 2. Magenta would be my AA channel strip of choice 3. The UAD plugins that were coded by bx are identical to the bx ones. However there is a difference between UAD's own coding and BX's coding. As to which is better.. Subjective. 4. Pink gives you way more bang for your buck and cpu wise Lindell x16 OS is equivalent to pink with the additional compressor mode on. 5. I've tested analog gear worth thousands and many times it's that close nobody can tell the difference in blind tests. Sometimes plugins even sound subjectively better. Id probably imagine that a well coded plugin emulation would beat cheaper made hardware most of the time. A lot of cheap hardware can sound super nasty to the point where you'd be better off with a clean digital plugin haha just look at a lot of klark teknic stuff. I know guys that wouldn't use some of that stuff for free 🤣 In the end use your ears at all times. Level match correctly and triple blind test yourself. Then you'll know whats what 🤓

@@PaulThird Thank you for your quick reply. Much appreciated. I will look into the Magenta! TY ✌

Amek sounded better - I'm not the only one saying it. Tiny difference though. Cleaner.

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That's what the PRE is for. In most channel strips it'll sample every channel in the console so you can have a slightly different response. Camel for example sampled every channel of the calrec console. Most of the modern AA channel strips give you the option of all the different sampled channels. Sand, gold, pink etc does it as well.

@@PaulThird Pink don't. My only problem with Pink is that it don't have multiple channel sampling. Or is it on the EQ and not the Pre? I forget Pinks an odd one. You would assume its on the pre. Have you seen Dan Worrall new video testing it? It's a great video as always. Deffo puts it into perspective. I'm not buying one any time soon. Saving my money for Kelvin and VSM4 to feed my saturation addiction. Im a god dam harmonic junkie.

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Latest I've ever been!!

No but probably looks like the most versatile CS I've seen to date. Looks like it's got everything!

Some sort of dsp would be amazing

@@PaulThird Like UAD. Give us a "Box" or a card. they really need to do this. Plugs seem to be poorly coded. I have 32 cores and ONE core will max out while the rest are at 7% or something ridicules.

Unless I move country.. Never gonna happen 😂😂

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@@PaulThird aa sounds more natural/open to me on almost everything.

Yeah I agree. I much prefer it

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Thanks man. Still needs reverb, delay, some saturation, drum bus processing and maybe pultecs on the mixbus but I'm quite happy with how it's sounding so far. Probably within the next hour or 2 the Acustica brown vid will be up. Honestly wait till you hear that thing on the mix!

@@PaulThird Not another Acustica plugin ill be wanting to buy hahaha , saying that paul i did some updates and instored a few last night took hours , and i was having problems , the sort u have when you are maxed out on cpu , but i was only at 9 to 11 % , and today i've turned my pc on to load more plugins and I have a BLUE SCREEN , not sure why, first cubase started saying my licence isn't working , then OZONE was being ODD not sure what it is , I hate this part of my job , always something that dont work , a lead ,a speaker , pc anything .If only i could go 1 month with it all working lol . PC is a year old and graphic card stopped working a few weeks ago , And have to wait 22 days to get a new one , SCAN computers ARAHHhhhh . 2 weeks b4 that a dude recording fucked up the headphones lead , and didn't tell me and when i tried to fix it thinking it was the mixer and leads I ended up blowing a speaker with a big POP , Mute was on as well . Some Time I want to cry PAUL , all i want to do is record and mix hahaha , saying that its been like this on and off for 30 plus years things always fuck up from time to time even if you dont ever upplug a lead , one day it just dont work . Acustica plugins are great but there is something strange going on with PA and Acustica on same master chan . SO my top TOP TIP to you all out there ONLY load 1 plug in at a time and test it b4 you load a 2nd plugin or you may find you have to uninstall all of them and start over . And don't work til 4 am thinking your on a roll ;).

More the fixed options and modelled curves really. The phase can be argued in some ie the pre's of convolution plugins sample the pass through of the unit which in itself shapes the behaviour of the curves but in most cases you don't need as many emulations as you think, nowhere near and it took me over 10 years to figure that out haha

I can't really say much as its from your perspective but from my perspective there is quite an audible difference to my ears. Suppose it may depend on what you are listening out for. As soon as I hone in on the differences I can't unhear them.

@@PaulThird Perhaps thats what I need. I have the same problem when tasting whisky :) It all tastes like petrol until someone points out 'apples' or 'tobacco', then I cant miss it.

CPU Percentage does not make music sound better.

​@@BasariStudios The distractions from the constant farting and crackling in the AA can really suck your will to live. And having a freeze/commit option is not a solution, it's a band aid. Ergonomics are at least as important if not more important than the tine differences in sound quality.

@@whistletom Are we talking about 2011?

Nope. Both files null so the 9098 and 2098 eq's sound identical

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I may revisit this as there is an amek console in the college I work in but it's getting access to it. I've asked the question so you never know but if it's not the exact same console type then probably pointless

​@Paul Third I think the main ? is just to find out if the compressor of a real one adds a lot of harmonics like the Amythest. True, differences in consoles can account for differences in plugins, but if the ? is only lots of harmonics or not, the test may be more feasible. Asking to try it for a quick track, say a sine wave, for "academic" reasons might seem reasonable. Of course, it's easy to armchair quarterback; but I would be interested if you try it. I do know analog compressors often have a much bigger bass sound than plugins. The question of do the harmonics added by the plugin hold a candle to the real thing seems like one that could be thrown off by differences in boards. FWIW: I have seen reports of the freqs of the bx being off; but then, you can just turn the knobs to where it sounds good. I WOULD like to see them respond to such reports, as well as yours. These days, I care a lot about accurate xfer of signal (as did Rupert), and if I want rich harmonics, I try to use only the best of the best of digital ones. Currently, I was impressed by a moderate application of the Pulsar Modular P42 Climax Line Amp, but the distortion on the Voxengo LFPunch works miracles on bass, and good Distressor emulations make drums just STOMP.

@@PaulThird I think I found out the deal with the compressor. This video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftSnhNiJrNCwg2w.html says they totally ignored the 9099 dynamics since they didn't like them; and designed their own - so it would indeed be moot to compare the harmonics to the real thing.

Just some random song that the guy that made the intro video used

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digital lol? The AA is muddier, the BX bit more transparent - all within a 5% margin. If you like plugins, go with BX. I stay away from the AA madness.

It's just what I was taught on. It's all I know. Been using PT for over a decade now. It isn't the best of acustica plugs cpu wise but since I got the i9 computer I've had no issues. PT never crashes. I swapped my perpetual license for the avid subscription model as I got it cheaper for the license. £9 a month or something so I've always got access to the latest version. I'm purely mixing and recording on protools. I'm not into producing or that so other DAW's like logic or ableton have no interest to me. Its basic bitch but that's what I like about it. Remeniscent more of a console workflow. I use 1082 buffer, set it to maximum cpu efficiency and that's me good to go. No lag, everything loads quick. Dunno maybe its just cause I've worked with for so long it's just like riding a bike

@@PaulThird Makes sense, I've been on cubase for many years now, moving back over to protools was like stepping back in time! That and I could not belive how poor the UI is in comparison.

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But I don't have those issues. Everybody knows AA has more CPU, I even did a whole video about it and how to combat it. I don't speak about it cause its the same excuse over and over and over. I ran 9 instances of amethyst and also have acustica snow on the print and TimP vari level on the mixbus. Not one cpu issue on my i9. I can get like 47 instances of pink (eq, comp, pre all working) until it maxes out and I'm on protools. The experience of the whole acustica thing is dependent on your processor and which DAW you use. I choose to use protools so I can only manage under 50 channel strips but that's my choice. If I used reaper I'd maybe get 70-80 instances 🤷‍♂️ Even when I did have my i5 lenovo laptop I used to just freeze stuff in protools. I made an entire record with like 80% acustica on a 6 year old i5 laptop. So no.. Its not out of context. The context is determined by each user. Like anything in this world, if you believe the output is worth the input then you put in the input. Again, dependent on each person.

@@PaulThird I understand that's where you stand. Don't get me wrong, I use Acustica a lot. I just mentioned it because if you ran a BX Console at 16X oversampling, surely Brainworx could make it sound better (like the Lindell 80, which does sound considerably better oversampled). And even so the hit on the CPU is smaller than that of most Acustica plugins. So it's not just about choice or the CPU you have, it is a real technical/emulation/sound issue that has to go into consideration. BX Consoles are made to allow you to run 120 instances of them and still have plenty of room for your other plugins. Because obviously in most mixes and for most engineers we don't use only a couple of dozens of Acustica plugins, right? In real life we use many more than that. So I don't think a BX Console can be really compared to Acustica's plugins (at least not without mentioning this fact), because the purpose of the design is very different. What I personally do is the obvious solution: I pick a few important tracks or groups to use Acustica on, and for the rest I'll use either the new SSL Channel Strip or a BX Console emu. But each one has it's way of dealing with this. This is mine. BTW, (and I don't think this is the main point of my comment), I mix on Logic on a 2020 Macbook Pro, top of the line, and Acustica's plugins still have a considerable impact on CPU usage, to the point that sometimes more than 5 plugins and 1 Acustica on the same track is not a viable option. Anyway, really love your channel, thanks so much for the carefully recorded reviews, some of the best on YT. Cheers mate!

Yeah that would've been a good idea but would've really pushed me for time. I remember that one literally took me weeks haha 😅

Freeze and commit.. Always commit 🤣

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Muddy Amethyst - transparent Amek.

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we dont need more 3D anymore... it's overrated :)

Both eq's are extremely clean. Like nearly digital

agreed! bit too much.

Genuinely if brainworx gave the compressors a bit more character it would have the edge as cpu wise the 9099 will always win but in the end I had 9 instances of both and had no crashes with either when playing them back, and I've got nebula and acustica snow on the mix and print bus haha on lower performing peocessers amethyst probably won't be an option

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@@PaulThird The high end of the EQ module and the standalone compressor - both disappointing. My fault or insta-buying because Gold was so good. I mean, this was supposed to be a virtual Portico! But it was broken when I got it, has needed 5 fixes and I still don't know if it broken features work. The high EQ distorts badly from 14k upwards if you push it. Not exactly the rounded and smooth Neve sound. Gold sounds better! I will try and work on the master bus more, but that wasn't my main reason to get it. I just love the AA Neve plugins (Got three of them). Gold and UAD's 1084 (Which I don't own) both sound fantastic. I just expected Snow to be amazing. It needs work, IMHO.

Yeah it had echo bug and some truncation when I did my video. I use the Masterbus and eq together utilising the best of each to my ears. Really I wish they were just one total plugin. I didn't push either hard though as it was masterbus.

I really think there is quite an audible difference due to the lack of harmonics in the amek to the point where id argue that you'd probably get away with any clean channel strip like metric halo in comparison

I have the metric Halo channel strip in it doesn't sound the same as this in my opinion. The AMEK has just enough THD to sound warmer than the metric halo. The metric Halo channel strip has no harmonics whatsoever it is a flat digital channel strip. The acustica plug-in is definitely warmer, but the tone seems so similar in my opinion. The actual AMEK console is really transparent. There's a studio on the west side of town where I live, that has one. The AMEK plug in from Brainworx sounds very similar to their SSL 9000 J plug in but with smoother top end. But then that plug-in has no thd, at least at default. Now you have me wondering if the AMEK plug-in has the THD turned all the way down too. 🤔 Maybe the EQ or the compressor is making me think that the tones on that plug-in sound warm.

@@PaulThird an update. I checked the plug-in with plug-in doctor. And compared it to the SSL 9000j. The THD on the AMEK set at the default position is the same as the SSL 9000 J plug in that has the THD turned completely off. So you were right again. This is why I love watching your videos! The harmonics and depth that I thought I was hearing was because of Studio One and the mixfx engine I was using which has harmonics and channel cross talk. I still like the EQ on it, but I am starting to think with all these scams these plug-in developers are doing, I'll probably just use a Fab filter EQ and call it a day. I'll just use Studio One for the console sound with the Brit console.

When I looked into the THD in PA stuff it's basically just a soft clipper in reality. In the manuals it states that it replicates the units being driven harder. TimP includes this as well in his plugins but guess what he calls it... A clipper haha so you'll have the Compressor, pre (which in reality is a post amp) and an optional clipper which models the units being driven harder all the way into distortion. The THD thing in PA plugs is a very sly marketing ploy when you think about it. In a sense it does mean Total harmonic distiortion as it incorporates the unit being driven harder but really it should just be called a f*cking clipper! 🤣 Theres no need to call it anything else. That's what acustica incorporate in their plugins but you don't have the control over it. That's what the oversampling is for in their newer plugs and updates. It's only for the internal clipper which is a very sly addition from them as I dunno exactly how it works, when it kicks in etc

Tbh that's where I am. That's why I go for emulations of colour boxes. I want something different. The whole transparent thing isn't for me when it comes to boosting

Been using a bunch of stock plugs in s1 recently. Actually considering canceling my plugin alliance subscription.

I think I'm gonna start buying the plugs I genuinely use instead of paying the subscription every month

Exactly right.

I love how half of the world can't understand me and the other half love it 😂😂

@@PaulThird let's be honest, sometimes, especially in the first 1-2 videos it was a bit of both - but mostly love :D