As far as your intro statement is concerned you may have meant to say "in late 1990" but you can quite clearly be heard saying "In *THE* late 1990*s* " An easy mistake to make & to correct. No need to double down on it.

Also they were popular before the 90s. House was international in the mid 80s, with djs going over to Germany England and France. I know I lived in Germany in the late 80s when the Berlin Wall fell. House and drum n bass were going strong

Look at all these popular KZfaqrs showing you how to do this Damm Thang. People need to learn to let shit go!

I heard correctly but also had a feeling other people wouldn’t and get confused 🤣

Can you do a video on Natalia Kills career???

True facts.

Preach

She is the voice of the following big hits : “Everybody Dance Now” (C+C Music Factory) “Everybody Everybody” (Black Box) “Strike It Up” (Black Box) “I Don’t Know” (Black Box) “Centipede” (Rebbie Jackson) “True Love” (Seduction)

@@JLPerryTV don't forget she sang it's raining men with izora armstead.

Porter Rankins Rankins I was referring to “uncredited” successful songs

Lacy Inmon i agree , pretty ridiculous when all the had to do was print her name next to the songs on the album ... most people don’t pay attention to those notes anyway

Sam StarMuffin They shouldn’t of dehumanized her periodt. They treated Martha like shit for being large.

Yes me too

Same goes for all studio musicians throughout the past 100 years😅

Christopher Kahn the funny thing is, in person she’s a lot smaller than you would expect.

I always wondered back in the 90s watching black box videos, how TF is a skinny little runt blasting these vocals ?

The music industry is so fucking cold

Martha Wash wasn’t actually in the group at the time. Zelma Davis was. Wash was just a hired hand in the background.

@@tjsmooth621 It’s a business. It’s not a charity. It’s about making money. These people aren’t ignorant about what sells more and what doesn’t.

They did this a lot using a great singer and having a model lip synch it.

@ 6:22 Who is that....Lice Tea? 😆😂🤣

Martha Wash is simply proof that great vocals alone don’t sell records. You have to be marketable.

Its all a con get good looking people to be front and sell you shit while the talent one who does the work are left in the background

Marco M. Ayooooo🤣

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ha

Yes 🤣💃

Marco M. LMMFAO

WristKhalifah Yup got their asses frfr

And wins!!!

D.E. W. 😂

She deserves a lot of awards. I love Martha Wash

I agree putting up with the lowlifes of the music industry.

For one song?

@@dabnisbrickey6527 get your facts straight , Martha has two songs with CC music factory , I’m gonna make you sweat and taking over , plus she did almost the whole album for Black Box who also tried to screw her , except for the track Ride on time , they stole from Lolleata Holloway “ love sensation “ them sampled and mixed making a whole different song but that’s her music and her vocals , Martha deserves the respect and consideration for her work done and those 2 groups were successful because of Martha’s voice , plain and simple .

I agree 💯

she doesnt even sound like that live

timmy841212 yes!!!!

Agreed. Props to her for standing up and getting the creds and $ she deserved.

Definitely the queen of dance. But I think she is one of the best with her ballads too. She also recorded less known gospel songs. I think she would have been a queen in many genre of music if she had recorded more...

@@soulfulvoices2341 Oh I agree with that as well!

timmy841212 I made a few videos on Martha myself. You can have a look if you are interested in her music ;)

RandomZ5 well I guess she is but let’s be realistic music industry don’t like big size ladies it’s about an image I guess Martha made her money too but yet the world giving credit to the stars who don’t sing it

Jaajaa Rogers Ask Kelly Price, they did her the same way when she started.

@@jaajaarogers9101 back then they didn't. Big women wasn't "marketable". It's different now.

Joshua McDowell they still really aren’t BUT i will say that women like Adele and Lizzo are beginning to change the game for this generation

Joshua McDowell you dumb bro it’s still the same now ! Give me what big size lady is hitting it now !

Totally agree, but because of what happened, Zelma Davis was put in the same box as the models and frrontpeople who supposedly "couldn't sing", but Zelma Davis was more than capable of singing live, and rather well. She just didn't have the inimitable sound and voice that Martha Wash has, which is and always will be totally brilliant.

@@riinak7212 that’s correct

Why she would agree to lip synch in live shows is beyond stupid and she too is culpable. Plenty of groups lose member legitimately and have to replace them in live performances with the new members. That's not a big deal. That's life in show biz.

Yea the voice don’t even match that woman. You can clearly tell that voice came from a heavy set woman

Ashanti, Go get yo MONEY!

The difference is Jennifer Lopez at least sang the verses. She didn't have other people sing the whole song

@@venessaabrams8687 Ashanti got her coins and still collecting today.

@@tndyamond2 true.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Barbie.Angel right sis stay eating good

I HOPE SHE IS. She deserves it

ComaLies225 Right? 1000 bucks? That’s a slap in the face.

@@masonakamara7556stay eating good ,wtf does that mean? As if getting fat will give you some kind of singing powers. This large girl was born gifted because she was born gifted and had nothing to do with her body shape. You're an idiot.

Dirk Diggler ppl say someone is “eatin good” as a figure of speech to mean someone is doing very well. it has nothing to do with weight

Her lawyer must be very happy for the business.

It's a shame, nothing to laugh at. They stole her voice, made millions, and then tried to shun her out of the music buisness. She deserved every damn penny and then some.

Looks like you're pissed.

And she wins every time.

Pop Land AMEN!!!!!! ONE MORE TIME FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Crystal waters is

Martha Wash wasn’t actually part of the group at the time. She was a background singer, a hired hand.

@@RocStarr913 "background singers" tend not to sing the lead...on a chorus🤦‍♂️

They thought they could get away with it because they had done it to her before. She sang lead vocals on a track they released under the name Seduction and then had other people mime to it. I made a video about Martha Wash and her ghost vocals for C+C and Black Box kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m7mVmdqHtry6oIk.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m7mVmdqHtry6oIk.html

@@Traxploitation It wasn’t a lead vocal. Back then, it could still be considered mere “background”. Michael Jackson sang the chorus of Rockwell’s “Somebody’s Watching Me” and he was never in the music video or any promotional appearances. Martha Wash simply came out after it was all said and done because she had decided she wanted to be famous herself through the publicity and victimhood.

@@RocStarr913 This is actually true.

Safe Space Bear True ! And this is accurate whatever she sings. What a voice !!

That hook is all they had goin for them.

Great song...whoever sang it.

Damn right

and in 2030 it will be no talent and transgender

@@FruityHachi ...Guards?

It's science, less energy takes less effort so it's more frequent. That means there's more souless fucks out there cause it takes less energy to make them. So in the entertainment industry selling to idiots you have to appeal to simple minded visual things. It's a must if you're in that industry but these pieces of shits should have paid her.....that shows they weren't truly elite and were amongst the idiots they're supposed to be selling stuff too.....Idiots trying to be elite and lower the standards of society is a huge problem that's currently getting ironed out.

@@FruityHachi Facts...

UHKAAY!!!

So true! I think they changed their name to the Weather Girls a few years later. Beautiful women with beautiful voices!❤️❤️❤️

Most definitely

Me too lady I’m just lost

She has recorded quite a lot. I love her voice. Have a look at my videos if you are interested in her story and work ;)

Dude, they only referenced about three songs that she was on. Stop being a drama QUEEN 😅🤣😂

@@dudeseriously57 it was wayyyyy more than 3 songs, she has 15 number one hits on the dance charts and the majority of them was her voice being stolen. If it was your livelihood you wouldn't be so calm!

Ironically still to this day, the producers think they did nothing wrong

Flossy Childz Who would care enough to watch it? Not me! I’m not going to pay those expensive movie ticket prices for that.

Yesss. I would love to see it.

Id rather see a movie about Milli Vanilli, is more famous and tragic

I think that this would make a better _Law & Order_ episode than a movie.... JUST thinking about it- this might make a decent _Lifetime_ movie. I would go see a _Milli Vanilli_ movie.

There's a great episode of a show called 'Unsung' which airs on TVOne about Martha Wash.

Was It Something That I Said is a classic Disco tune, Sylvester singing baritone like Barry White!

Most of the general public was not familiar with Martha Wash’s past contributions at all at the time. Even “Its Raining Men” was not popular outside of dance clubs and black radio stations.

Over and over! ;-)

I do know her voice!

Truth💯

Damn baby I see you everywhere. We is on the same algorithms

Asians 4 Trump 2020 🤮

you’re genuinely everywhere

Asians 4 Trump 2020 you’re a disgrace to the Asian community

Asians 4 Trump 2020 as an Asian/mixed man, you really are a disgrace

Although Black Box with Ride on Time cheated Loleatta Holloway in a huge way by using her voice from Love Sensation

Martha Wash coming out against Black Box was what paved the way for Rob & Fab being outed by their producer as frontmen in Milli Vanilli. It happened only mere days earlier.

@@PadisherCreel It’s called “sampling”. It was done all over hip-hop and house music at the time.

@@RocStarr913 The funny part was the actual singers weren't mad at Fab & Rob. They placed the blame soley on the producer. The boys got all the ridicule and blame while the producer got away scott free which the singers felt were unjust.

@@juicyfruit6311 It was the producer's fault.

That is because she is overweight and hence not marketable.

justwatching videos sometimes? 🤣🤣🤣

PungiFungi being overweight is never going to be non marketable, look at the amount of overweight male singers and compare it to overweight female singers. They just don’t want to put in the effort to market big women as they don’t think they will sell.

@@justwatchingvideos4595 , the sad truth is you needed a face to front the music. Martha only have a handful of hits when they put her face on it, and even then, it is played for laughs, like The Weather Girls. What happened to Susan Boyle is reminiscent of Martha and the singers behind Milli Vanilli. Unless you are an opera singer, you need the looks if you are doing pop and dance music.

True, the voice sounded just too big and powerful for the body it was coming out of, just couldn't believe it

Yeah, I watched the music video for it and it just seemed too odd like it couldn't be her voice loll

Whitney had a big voice. Thats like saying beautiful thin black women cant fry good chicken

@@popland1977 really? That's insane

@@popland1977 what other songs?

Exactly 🤣🤣. She's definitely not afraid to file a lawsuit!

I'm surprised she didn't get more than 500k.

She deserves way more than a measly 500k. She deserves respect and recognition also.

Dance... and cry ! She can sing so many genre of music : disco, ballads, gospel.... have a look online ;)

Same! I said “fuck you” after he popped that bullshit

He went to Hampton & he was tired then.

Martha Wash is a legend and this dude and Zelma are washed up has-beens so sometimes things have a way of working themselves out.

That was fucked up

this is why we live in such a PC world now. You can disagree with what Freedom says, but still respect him for being honest. I'd rather look at Zelma too, but I'd definitely rather listen to Martha sing. One is a talented singer and the other is a beautiful model.

Cherrysh Anderson couldn’t agree more. True diva and legend. Absolute praise and respect Ms. Martha 💜

Agreed. She needs her recognition.

I wish that will happen !

the staging union can't verify max capacity limits, and before we get sued... how bout; not?

We can start a petition and make it happen

JLPerryTV I would absolutely sign this. But I’m not sure that’s the way Martha would like things to happen... Recognition is something expected, not claimed, if you see what I mean ;)

KillerGrooves, I feel you however Aretha Franklin, Patti Labelle, Kelly Price, Vesta, Jill Scott, Philis Hyman etc didnt have a non African American fanbase. Added, the marketing strategy behind Ce Ce Music Factory used slot of Colorism to sell albums. This group appeared non threatening to a mostly white audience. Martha is s legendary and should be celebrated not tolerated.

Della, too.

The Bronze Age of DC Comics Della Reese wasn’t heavy set at the time.

Although her voice is comparable to theirs, her story is different because Aretha and Patti were younger and small sized in their rise to fame. Like many people, they put on weight as they got older - toward middle age. She was bigger sized in her youth/the beginning of her career, so she didn’t have the time to be marketed like they did before her fan base was able to carry her like theirs did in their later years.

By the 90's it was all about the music video. Aretha and Patti got their start in the 50's and 60's in the Black community where your talent was more important than your size. We loved Luther whether he was skinny or large. Weight fluctuations have nothing to do with your voice, your performance, your passion.

She is still singing. But the majors are still deciding who they want to promote...

She is coming out with a new album “Love & Conflict” on January 6th

she will never run out of work, esp if Drag Queens & Gay club always exist lol

Nobody can sing today , it's all autotune bs

@@GTSN38 I wouldn't go that far. But even Beyonce sounds robotic now in all her songs because that's what is trending rn with my generation. They don't even hide the autotune anymore

Zelma Davis (C+C Music Factory) can sing. Katrin Quinol (Black Box) can’t sing.

Zelma has a nice voice her and martha sang the on a song

Whitneybwas THE VOICE and she was VERY SLIM 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@cjcarter8314 Exactly. Ppl act like skinny ppl can't sing 🙄

@@mrsx7944 yes, ppl are crazy lol

Cozmik funk rabbitt that’s a straight banger.

Yes my favorite song by then playing that song still today

@TV SOUND SYSTEM, PREACH!👏

Period!

I always hated freedom williams now i know why

#Facts

No amount of abs will make that guy anything other than a piece of crap.

Right the amount of times he kept saying people were using her voice I'm like damn she is an amazing singer for alot of songs I didn't know was her. She must have so much money for that.

Celina C her attorney probably use to it by now

@@coolkidzmedia3259 OK, Janet, who's my next... Oh, MARTHA! Call everyone in, and bring me that rolodex with all the music producers' numbers. ONE of them musta done her dirty, let's just do this quick and efficient.

I am sure that Lizzo doesn’t know who Martha is. IJS

James St. Patrick and??

It is at 9:40

Lizzo was splitting facts big people get no respect and some big singers have better voice them skinny ones

Lizzo ass ain’t running no where

@@cam-3461 TRUE! LMAO!!!!

@@ksilverproduction5181 she is right and that needs to change but I'm not gonna lie these days skinny people be getting stereotyped as drug addicts or being anorexic

@@cam-3461 😂😂 I'm dead asf

Jake A Absolutely. They were the background singers for Sylvester.

🤦🏿‍♂️😂😂🤦🏿‍♂️

"earth can be just like heaven", and the song they did as back up singers for Sylvester "Dance (disco heat)" are so good!!!! Another fun fact: Selena Quintanilla did a great cover of "Everybody Everybody"

Here’s another fun fact. Before they were Two Tons of Fun, they were in a group called News of the World

@@JLPerryTV Those gospel gals sure can sing!

I agree - Totally rude!

And they say the same shit about Lizzo today 🤦🏾‍♀️

3,2,1 LETS DRAW gross

And that’s why no one is going to see his shows lately. He has been exploiting the “C+C Music Factory” name to sell tickets to make people think they are coming to see the group. He’s even performing songs from the second album which he did not perform on

7:47 Note to Freedom Williams: I don't mean to be rude, harsh, callus, maligning or vilifying, but I'd rather watch the person who actually sang on the recording perform on stage. If someone is going to a show to gawk at the women, go to a strip club. This is music dude. Freaking idiot!

True. It’s so sad that we almost never can listen to the demo versions

Yes so true just ask ashanti (for jlo)

Because they are singers. Pop artists are products. Vocals are a part of the package but not all of it. Demo singers the voice is it all.

@@katlynklassen809 Ashanti is a Pop Star

Lol she probably will on her next album

😂😂😂 she had Ashanti

Lmao. Jlo has stolen so many other people's vocals and has essentially gotten away with it. She's probably too afraid of a lawsuit to try to jack Martha's vocals.

Ashanti was filling in those spaces 🤣😂

Friend 💀

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🤣🤣🤣🤣

Amen amen!! He does look just like the both of them and I always thought he sounded like just like Ice-T when he raps

OMG, I ROFL'd. Yes.

@@brandonlcarter9423 His manerism are kinda like Ice T too of you pay attention

Melanie Daria damn right

Respect and recognition. I try to contribute to that. By showing the greatness of her voice that should be a national treasure !

Freedom Williams said anyone could sing that song..funny they havent sold shit since they lost marsha.

Totally 90s🤣

That blazer!!!!!

Definitely

Zelma was a pretty impressive singer in her own right. She sang on one of their other hit singles “Here We Go.”

Appearance became more important when music videos became important.

@greatbyrondo .... That’s because people watch music, instead of hearing music. Image is everything!!

@@KR-vk2wx ...Yeah, it's funny, in the old days we'd say...."Have you heard that song ?" Now it's...."Have seen that song ?" In this day and age people hear with their eyes !

@greatbyrondo .... Exactly! Music along with the artists are prepackaged for human consumption. All glitz and glamour, but no talent. Back in the day, we didn't care what you looked like, you were judged on the talent. If you couldn't sing, you got no play. Now you don't need to have a great voice to make it, just let the production company glam you up and instant stardom. All you need to be is eye candy. SMH!

Joanna H, when that day comes, hell will be registering record freezing temperatures.....because deep down, most people are shallow (oxymoron!)

@@ShweMyaukMyauk There's always those delusional mentally ill obsessed fans that would kill their whole family to get one of their favourite celebrities cleared of charges.

He’s already done a video about that

Really? I've never heard that before. Is that fact or conspiracy

@@TheJrockfreak you should hear the jenny from the block demo

@@VolumePerfection I'll look it up

Istvan Creghi he ended up getting screwed by C&C music factory as well

@@pele11201 I need the kid on the bike from The Simpsons to ride by and and yell, "HA- ha" in Mr. Williams' face☺️

@@ladycheyne5607 exactly. he didn't hesitate to tow the line against Martha Wash. i don't feel sorry for him.

@@jonasalden29201 🤣🤣🤣He definitely deserves "thoughts and prayers " for his situation (*AKA nothing)😛

Agree

Survivor1947 🤣😂😭

It does make you think

Yep L👀k at God 😄🤷🏿

Her voice is a mystery

No lizzo is trash! Martha is a legend!

@@michaelbruno1330 exactly Martha is a VOCALIST and SANGER! Lizzo is a joke 😂

I apologize in advance if I'm wrong but I always felt that the lead singer in Black Box, (Katrine) was a transvestite. It wasn't just her physical appearance but the camera's endless cut-a-ways that even for the times was excessive. As though they didn't want the observer to look too closely. Just my opinion..

She just wanted to make herself more famous. She was a complete willing participant in singing vocals for Black Box and Clivilles & Cole. She had to make a living. Music is a business. She was simply taking gigs wherever she could get them and turned right around and played the fat and age cards to the press when the singles started taking off.

I paid a guy to use my mouth as a toilet.

I was a DJ through the 90’s and a lot of people in the clubs knew who she was.

@@arronstone177 The clubs are her bread and butter. Especially in NY. ♥️

A lot of people know who she is. The UK knew who she was. And every gay person definitely knows who she is

I do! Big disco & Sylvester fan!

I remember this whole contraversy when it happened. It definitely brought Martha's name more attention and respect for years to come. So, this whole court case with C&C got her much attention and generated money for her.

Adrian Walker Martha “Sue” Wash does have a nice rig to it. 😄

Lol

Sue n won

🎤💯💯💯💯💯SO TRUE🌹🎇LOVME SOMMARTHA❗

She was connected to a few hits

She’s definitely not a one hit wonder. She has many top-selling, number-one hits

She had several hits, just under different names : with Sylvester, as two tons of fun, as the weather girls, with blackbox and c&c.

Fool you must be young

I actually only accept lipsync when the artist performance is amazing, or if they're dancing a lot

I remember back then watching the "Strike it up" video people were saying that sounds like Martha Wash(when she sings she has a distinctive voice).

@@JJerseyGirl Right and to make it so bad. The model who was lip singing, the voice did not match her💀

Why do you name it if it's already said in the video? At least give new information or something

@@rivkab3525 It was unintentional I commented during the video. Lots of ppl do this I'm not the only one🙄

My Girl Martha deserves so much more.

Ooohhh I love me some Jody watley nah, you were my everything... Lol

Jody has so much good songs! She is severely underrated

Yep

Oh God I love her I used to listen to her on the radio all the time

I love me some Jody ever since she was with Shalamar...💕

The people who tried to cheat Martha were ruthless. Martha is persistent.

@Lilruddeger Man .... *Naw man, Martha just wasn’t having it!*

@Lilruddeger Man .... *Naw man, Martha just wasn’t having it!*

Where is Lizzo running? To the ice cream truck. Kelly Price was way before Lizzo. ✨

@@chrisw9122 Have you ever seen a Lizzo performance on stage? That big girl puts in a hell of a lot of energy into her dancing. Not ALL big people are unfit, just some.

she didn't bare her ass though, just saying!

Trish Delish and out of breath, chest hurting heading to Burger King afterwards. Yes that’s sexy and empowerment 😭🙄

@@DrT0705 lol