How would you guys rank these games? Here's the Tier List from the video that I've made: tiermaker.com/create/piranha-bytes-games-1632133 Follow me on socials: Twitter: twitter.com/c_4_g Instagram: instagram.com/c_4_g_/ Discord server: discord.gg/pfaPRnv5GW

Speaking as a German, the voice acting for Gothic 1 and 2 was brilliant, also I think our polish neighbours were pretty impressed by their version.

It sadens me that gothic 3 wasnt even 50% of what devs wanted it to be 😢

gothic 1-2 and risen 1 are the holy trinity of piranha bytes games

Gothic 3, to me, has the best atmosphere I've ever encountered in a game, there is just something about it I can't quite describe. Maybe it's nostalgia but I don't really care, I love this game so much.

I actually enjoyed Risen 2 a lot. Obviously its a different setting and story approach but i never had problems with that

You should do one of these with games from spiders! This video is great, you didn't just lazily throw a list together to make a video, you spent time explaining and discussing each game. I really enjoy the detail you go into with your videos. 👍🍻

Risen 1 for sure had best combat in all of pyranha bytes games (aside from magic I guess). Not sure if I'm only one but I also love magic system from Gothic 3, it's one of the most fun magic systems overall for me. Pretty fun spells :)

The German voice acting of Gothic 1 is superb.

I know the majority of people hated Risen 2 and 3 but for me those games were awesome. The tropical island setting and just the graphics itself blew me away at the time.

Gothic 1 is just so insanely good

Your channel has become one of my favorite I look forward to. Like B-horror movies growing up, I'll always enjoy games that are not AAA and those games tend to enjoy a certain creative freedom over something that is desperate for a wide audience to make its money back. Exploration, surprising choices and twists, and irreverent dialogue are what makes these games shine for me.

I loved risen 2 and 3, and the pirate thing didn't come out of nowhere. The setting of the island its flora is basically Caribbean, plus the buildings looked like early pirate themed, and patty at the end saying she was going to look for her father wich whom is a pirate. It's just like pillars of eternity.

Risen 1 is my absolute favorite Piranha Bites game. The atmosphere and music are incredible. Also I don't think Risen 2 is as bad. I also hated it back when it came out. But then I played it a bunch and it's actually really fun. I would put it in B

Wow. For once I'd agree totally with the rankings. Still enjoy all of them though. Now I'll watch the video.

Risen 2 was my first Piranha Bytes game so naturally I love it, but then I got Risen 3 and noticed half the assets were from Risen 2 haha! I like how they have used the same terrain in Elex 1 for Elex 2 but switched up the biomes and made it feel fresh.

What a great idea for a video. Love your stuff mate.

Been waiting for you to one of these! Great work!

Great video ranking all Piranha bytes! However @click4gameplay you have to give Risen 2 a chance, yes the very beginning of the game is very tedious combat wise, but the story taken solely on a pirate perspective is fun and engaging. Gothic 2 Night of the Raven and Risen 1 expansion pack Dark Waters introduced pirate. So if you take Risen 2 solely on a Pirate adventure then it is quite entertaining, especially after you leave the first island. I am playing Risen 2 at the moment again and Im having a blast.

In my opinion Risen 2 is a masterpiece. For a gothic fan as me it may not fulfill the expectation of the previous series feeling but I think they did right to try something new. It is a highly underestimated game.

Gothic 3 was the first ever RPG I've played. I loved the atmosphere, the music, the visual design, and, yes, the full openness of the world. From a technical standpoint, it's an A. I still replay it every year or two and love it. However, the quest design is as shit as it can get, lazy, uninspired; the main story is non-existent (these 2 were the MAIN driving force of G1 and G2, as they were HEAVILY story-focused and the quest design in them was, with a very few exceptions, great), so all PB had to show was the atmosphere and Kai's music. I love this game, I love walking through the world, but the story, mechanics, quests AND overall gameplay was such a huuuuge step back that I'd honestly give it a C. Again, purely technically and artistically, it's an A, no-brainer, but gameplay-wise and in the light of its predecessors and the bar those set, it's merely a C. I still love it, but it doesn't even get close to the overall feel of G2 at all.

Risen 3 is great in terms of creatures, beautiful environments and it has a great magic system, almost like Gothic 3's magic system, but with modern mechanics.

Risen 1 and Gothic 3 are my all time favorites :D

It's great how much I agree with you, even with that "subjective parts" (esp. about G3 which... is also at my absolute top 3 of all games - with Morrowind and Warcraft 3... all threes xd) EXCEPT a little BUT about Risen 2, which I would put one tier higher, due to the atmosphere it had, still had that "magical piranhaness"(?) in it.

Played gothic 3 demo for like 100h as a kid, then bought the game at local supermarket. I was thrilled. “There are more places than cape dun??? Is that a desert? No way!” Best game

Jesus man, I have just watched up until Risen 2 so far and I swear the rankings and even the arguments are spot on. t The Gothic 3 part especially, it's like it's literally from my own brain. It's uncanny.

I really like that "close- combat magic " in Risen3.

I am with you. G3 was the best (with CP etc.). I think it would have crushed every RPG ever if Jowood wouldn't have pushed PB to the release...we will never know what plans they had for G3...

Thanks for the vid! I recently purchased the Piranha Bytes & Friends bundle on Steam, so I was figuring out which title (besides Risen, which I already played) I should try out first. Think I'll give ELEX a shot before circling back to the first two Gothic games.

I revisited Risen 2 last year and it was way better than I remembered it

Setting is really important. I really liked the Gothic series setting and I also enjoyed Pirate theme of Risen. The deal breaker for me was the Elex setting. To the point I actually have to sit out and wait until they finish the trilogy to maybe enjoy what they make after that.

for me... 1. Gothic 2 2. Gothic 3. Risen 1 4. Gothic 3 5. Elex 6. Risen 3 7. Risen 2 Havent played Elex 2 till nowbut will of course

This video is gold. I Will see in the weekend...with fast food xD

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Great Tier List bro. I Love Elex games.

I finished Elex 2 a few days ago. I loved it. I just bought the first one and I hope it’s great also! Great video with a topic that’s hardly featured on other channels.

Exactly how I would have done the tier list, impressive!

Gothic is still one of the best series I have ever played. I hope I will always remember this part of my childhood. There's less and less time to play now, but one day, when I retire, I hope to be able to show my grandchildren how their grandfather played in the 2007/2008 year (it was a few years after its release).

I‘m a big fan since Gothic 1 and I must tell, that Risen 2 was for me a good game and for sure not the worst of PB. Risen 3 is the only one I can’t remember emotionally and I played all of them few times.

Funny how u talking about English Voice acting in Gothic 1/2. In Poland they did a amazing job with it, also it was one of the game that generaly had polish voice act, and it was awesome. I gues thats the reason why game is very popular at our country. This game inspired CD-Project (wich were distributor of Gothic at Poland) to create a Witcher, so i would say those games had Huge impact ^^

Agree for the most part and adding Chronicles of Myrtana as S of course, what amazing work done on that one.

Nice video idea and a great video

*RISEN 1 LOVERS UNITE!* I Love RISEN so much that even hearing the music makes me happy

I love pirana bytes games, especially elex, I really hope they make more elex games, probably a trilogy.

The best thing with Risen 2 was that if you go in playing it after hearing it's the worst, you will end up enjoying it because it's better than you expected. At least that happened to me.

They also had the back to back release for fallout 1 and 2

Hello mr KZfaqr, have you finished Chronicles of Myrtana? Which tier you think it deserves?

Every time i remember jetpack in Elex i want to replay it. But then i remember combat in Elex and i change my mind.

Funny that Elden Ring world reminded me of Gothic 3 world - those were the closest "world" experiences. Map was not crowded with markers and you need to discover everything by yourself. That is exactly how I felt in ER and G3.

I felt the same way about Risen 2 when I first played it. It was so jarring coming from Risen 1, but I played it again many years later, without playing the first one right before it, and that made it more tolerable. I actually had a lot of fun with it the second time.

damn, thats some nice gains

A huge respect to you for sticking to your love to Gothic 3. Its a fantastic game, and although I disagree that it's the best, I can see what you love about it. But, for me, nothing beats the immersion that first 2 Gothic games brought. it's a cliche at this point, but I truly live in those games, even now. New Vegas, Gothic 1 and 2, and to a lesser degree fallout 2 and Risen 1, these are the most immersive games I played, and Gothic 1 and 2 are the games with absolutely perfect game design to me. No negatives whatsoever. They are godlike, sublime.

About medieval - fantasy settings,I have the same feeling,the most enjoyable way for me to play Elex1 was as Magic-Berserker,second most enjoyable was Bow kind - berserker.Though I played every fraction and almost in every way of fighting,and I enjoy the most bow/ magic berserker.

12:28 that's exactly how I feel about Risen 2!

would like to see your top 10, 15, 20, 25 or whatever of your favorite games of all time or favorite rpgs etc

When the review of Chronicles od Myrtana my friend?

I see you have new big monitor, it would be nice if you tell me what you using, no model but size. thx

Yeah I was confused when I started Rosen 2. I was wondering where the hell we were, what happened to the Titans, weren’t we going to the mainland?

Fascinating. As a North American player that started with Gothic back when it came out (something that was nearly impossible to do in North America when the game was first released), I'm in a similar boat to yourself. I too have strong positive feelings for Gothic 3. I think your ranking is fairly well thought out. Having played all the games over the years, I have similar feelings. Going in, I thought to myself, "As long as he puts Gothic 1 and 2 at S tier" and nothing else in there with them, it's fine" and wasn't disappointed. Overall, I feel like things have steadily gotten worse over time, which is troubling. They're a small studio but they appear to be learning the wrong things with each game and incorrectly "improving" their newer games as time goes on. I would have placed the Elex games much lower but maybe this has to do with the North American version. The English translation feels like somebody took the German script, passed it through Google Translate, then passed it on to the voice actors without any coaching or context. It barely makes any sense.

Damn even your thoughts about Elex I couldn't agree more. It's exactly how I feel about it.

In Poland Gothic has cult among it :D Probably because of PL voice acting, it's great and has well-known actors in it.

I am in opposite to you in case of that mix - I was surorised how good it came out,really for every fraction there is/was a good reason / good explanation for their behavior,pattern of action.

Add an E tier, you get the extra tier to put Elex II above Elex I and below Risen

I remember picking up Risen 1 and being really frustrated by the combat, so I returned it and didnt touch another PB game since. Untill last week, when I picked up Elex... and holy shit man, this is now my favorite third person RPG in the Bethesda mold ever (S rank here), Elex II is next on my list, but now I'm thinking I should give Risen 3 a shot after that. I've been playing video games since the beginning of PC gaming in the early 80's, and this game has absolutely blown me away. I actually keep thinking that it feels like Fallout, Skyrim and Dark Souls mixed together.

Ultima VI had a day night and life cycle too

Elex 1 was my first game of Piranha Bytes I play on ps4 first few hours I actually quit and uninstalled but the setting and story had me so intrigued I looked up advice for combat and gave it another try and fell in love with it. Once done I looked up Piranha Bytes and while I haven't beaten all the games I have since bought all of them on steam. One of things to I love about there games is unlimited inventory space as im always a hoarder in RPGs

I haven't played any of these games except Elex,well I am still playing it and I'm enjoying it

Gothic 3 was a such a disaster on release, I remember being so disappointed. Today with the community patches there are only a few problems: some of the minor quests are meh and the melee combat is still very clunky. It's amazing how it went through such a transformation from a complete letdown to one of my favorite games. I also had a very negative first experience with Elex 2, mostly due to the camera issues. But now with the static camera mod I'm starting to get into it. Maybe I'm just not cut out to play PB games when they first release. I'd still probably put Elex 2 below Elex and above Risen 3 though. Other than that I think we have the same rankings.

Yes. Gothic 3 is indeed a great game. I love it too. Good to hear it from you and people in the comments as well.

You are so right about elex 1. I replay gothic, gothic 2 and risen 1 all the time, but after i finished elex 2 a few times i played elex 1 again and i couldn't play it, felt like a bad demo for elex 2. And i loved the first game!

Thank you for this video!! I believe Arcania is from another company that's why it was not on the list.

I totally agree with this PB games ranking, except for Elex 1 and 2 but only because i haven't played it both

While Daggerfall was mostly randomly generated, it did do NPC schedules, day night cycles, and weather and such years before even Gothic. Arena did everything except for schedules I believe? Or maybe it did?

Agree on all of them except the newest one. I guess you could say it is to me what Risen 2 was for you.

In the OG language German the voice acting is one of the iconic ones, to this day

i liked the pirate theme of risen 2 but couldnt get into elex because of its mixed setting

Yeah, the final list with Gothic 3 on top is the good one. Good video, I always enjoy listening to you. Regards!

i am also a gothic 3 enjoyer, i think its also one of my favorites of their games ever, for me its gothic 2 and 3 are both S++ and tied for my favorite two

Gothic 2 is the all time favourite, but I really love Risen 2 and Risen 3 as well 🎉

The first game I tried was Risen 2, and the only reason I gave it a try was pirates and guns!

I honestly thought elex 2s story was much worse than the first game. SPOILER In my playthrought dex went to the clerics when he left the 6th, but him just becoming a super genius at the end out of basically nowhere was really dumb to me. I mean he is like 8 yrs old and he just got a super deep understanding of intergalatic computer systems in like a week. It made his death scene less effective to me. In my opinion in some way jax should have sacrificed himself to defeat the skyands so we could play as dex in the 3rd game instead of coming up with another poorly thought out excuse to why we start out weak in elex 3. When you go see adam for the last time he explains how he tried to change the course of commet, but was unsucessful. However in the next dialouge option Jax calls him a mass murderer and Adam says that bring elex to magalan was a nesissary sacrifice for his pusuit of eternal life. This just didn’t make sense to me. All that and the terrible quests at the end just left a bad taste in my mouth. Like the big battle in the first game was so much more engaging that in the second. They should have done more stuff like that instead of having you kill everything by yourself Love the channel btw

Elex 2 needs some technical polish for performance and audio balancing (especially on surround sound setups) but I do like it quite a bit. The start of the game does feel very barren though, whereas in Elex 1 at the start you had an idea of where to go for factions, Elex 2 kind of streamlines you at the start while making things feel confusing. The quality of life improvements and the extra gear you can get already makes the sequel feel nicer to play, need to get more hours into it

My rankings would be like this: S: Gothic 2 A: Gothic 1 B: Risen 1 C: Gothic 3 D: Elex 2, Elex 1 F: Risen 3, RIsen 2 I think the most difficult way for ranking Gothic 1 and 2 is because personally i think thematically first game is vastly superior. 2nd game is just better overall. The others... tbh we are being overly polite ranking them that high. At the end of the day, Gothic 1 was released in 2001 and Gothic 2 was released in 2002. It has been 20 years and they still haven't made combat feel any less wooden? Risen 1 was the smoothest game of them all and it was released over a decade ago. What a disgrace.

I have not played any of the Gothic games, but I agree with your rankings in general. I loved Risen 1 and definitely consider it an A or S tier game. Risen 2 was my least favorite because of the lack of really good magic and the strong pirate theme and I agree it deserves D tier. Risen 3 being C tier works and I could put it in the B tier. Elex 1 and 2 are both B or low A tier for me, but I am still early in Elex II so I too have difficulty judging it right now.

And Finally Elex2 - I can't say anything because I did not play it yet.Bjt I really like that they finally kinda fix the jetpack.

NO SIR.....Ultima 9 Ascension was the first truly open world in 3d, with absolutely no loading in the game world. I do agree with you on your Gothic 3 assessment. It is an incredibly immersive game. I fell in absolute obssessive love with this game th minute it came out. The soundtrack is a musical masterpiece....and to play this thing now it still feels incredible and impressive on so many fronts.

I lean towards buying gothic 3 is it more fluent in combat or is it worse than gothic 2? how about the controls? I could not play gothic 2 due to is not natural for me the controls scheme. Is gothic 3 improved or same?

I loved risen 1, 2 AND 3! They were so janky but fun as hell.

My would go like S: E1 A: G2 G1 B: R1 (it's amount and impact of bugs in several stats/mechanics is actually ridiculous, melee, range and magic all have huge fuck ups) C: R3 D: R2 Can't wait to play Elex 2.

Agree with everything.

I enjoyed all PB Gothic and Risen games, when they came out, with the at least for the first games superior, original german voice acting. On that basis, I would rate them and some other 3D (semi) open world CRPG's (non PB games played in english) like this: S+: Gothic S: Gothic 2, Gothic 2 - Nacht des Raben, The Witcher 1, The Witcher 3 A: Risen, [Gothic 3 maximally patched (assuming a system, with as good as possible compatibility)], Skyrim, Fallout 3, Fallout - New Vegas, The Witcher 2 B: Risen 2, Risen 3, Oblivion, Two Worlds, Two Worlds 2 C: Morrowind D: Daggerfall E: Gothic 3 as it was in the beginning (With regular crashes from memory leaks and random crashes from other bugs, long loading times, regular savegame corruptions, ... on an otherwise absolutely reliable and stable gaming PC, the experience was a horror. Even after days of internet recherche, application of tipps and bugfixes from gaming magazines, and some hardware and software modifications, it was impossible to play. The fact, that I knew the first two games and could see Gothic 3's beautiful world, and gameplay beneath the crappy tech, made it actually worse.) That is how I enjoyed those games, at the moment they came out. When I would replay them now, my ratings would be probably a bit different. Notably Gothic 3 with all community fixes would be also an A, for me. The reason Gothic gets an S+, is not because I find it objectively better than Gothic 2, but because at the moment it came out, and I played it, it totally blew me away. It, had the combination of an immersive open world, with a plausible explanation for the limits of this world, full incredibly high quality (in german) voice acting, combined with a good story arc. The NPC's had a day cycle some of them wandering the world and the friendship between Diego, Gorn, Milten and Lester, tying in the player, was incredible. And I found the melee combat system much better than e.g. in Daggerfall and Morrowind or Oblivion. So subjectively it is to date my best gaming experience I ever had. Before that, I only new RPG's that tell their story through often fragmented text collections, maybe with some partial voice acting, which for me is very immersion breaking. So from all features, the complete voice acting blew me away, most. Notable things, adding to the immersion and exploration where, the verticality of the open world, the ability to jump and pull yourself on to ledges and thus climp mountains, pits, caves and buildings and also the ability to swim and dive and find secret places through all those means. To me, the radical setting change in Risen 2 (and 3) was at the beginning also odd, but after a while, it grew on me to a degree, that it was OK, even though I still prefer the previous setting. With some modding, I actually found Risen 2 pretty enjoyable. I didn't play the Elex games, yet.

Oh I couldn't agree more with you about Risen 2. And about Gothic 3. I also think that Risen 1 was the technically best Game they made. But personally I had most fun with Gothic 3. So I guess we see it very similarly.

Risen 2 is a masterpiece. You have to play it. It gets really good with good dlcs

I wish there was a remaster of gothic 1-3 for the ps4.

So Piranha Bytes is the Neill Blomkamp of game developers?

didnt you fight a small vacuum robot at the end of elex 1 ? cant remember that fight

I really think Gothic 3 is the best and i start series with this game and after i play 1and 2 these games are good to

Risen 1 is on my top 10 favorite games of all time maybe even top 5.

Nice tatoos, great video! :)

For Gothic series and risen 1 I agree with your placement. But I think Risen 2 is better than 3. I was able to complete R2 but not r3, I also really liked voodoo in almost every fantasy RPG you have magic spell like fireball but I don't remember lot of games with voodoo. I'm not big fan of elex because I don't like post apo settings but objectively I agree with you. Curse you, now I have to play Gothic, risen AND elex again :D