Thanks. I appreciate it.

Peter, was there any latency issues with the device? 8 bit guy tested his unit, albeit a European/PAL unit, and there were latency issues (obviously to be expected) but does you PAL unit, on our little island, have some jankiness to it? Obviously it'll get sorted with firmware and future optimisation but people often don't support something if it doesn't work great out of the box unless they are hardcore lovers of a device.

No, I meant "part of the course". As for latency... it was negligible. The problem is, its hard to differentiate between the latency caused by the TV itself and the device, so I didn't bother with any further testing on that part.

In the context you used it in, it really should have been 'par for the course'. 'Part of the course' isn't even a phrase :P Unless you're talking about a literal part of a course, such as a section of a golf course.

I wasn't making it an issue of grammar, just use of an existing phrase. It's also not the point of the video but it was a point to be made anyway (and getting an entire phrase correct isn't pedantry), but sorry for having something to say Sir, god of KZfaq comments Mr Andy Merrett, Bsc Ssc.

Why did they even bother with the fake keyboard? Should have just slapped on a key board sticker!

Or make it a replica of the C64 GS :)

That would have made some sense but utterly confused most people. I like it!

Sic's Space Now that would be amusing!

It's only a baby and it has grown up yet ;)

Seem to have the backing of Cloanto so why not. Although it will probably be an A500 so no AGA games or CD32.

So they can get sued by Cloanto, Jens Schoenfeld, Hyperion, some homeless truck driver in the American midwest, and launch six different inter-platform wars? Yeah, sign me up.

Cloanto seems to have given the C64 mini there blessing as their logo is on the box but maybe its different with the Amiga. As you say there is a lot of companies who all lay claims to the Amiga brand which maybe an issue.

Yeah; it's an ugly, toxic scene these days. It seems as bad as C= was at least _how_ bad C= was, was a rallying point, a common cause. Now you've got OS4 fanboys fighting with Morphos fanboys, Vampire guys fighting with "real" hardware dudes...it's just an awful mess. All I want is a souped up A3000 as a daily driver, is that so much to ask?

Not really apart from the price tags on the hardware. :) I'll stick with emulation for the time being.

Thank you kindly.

Good news, a version with a full working keyboard is coming soon!

Really!? I would love that. When is it coming out?

I'm very happy with my Ultimate 64, blows this pile of crap to the weeds, twice.

Probably very late in 2018 or sometime in 2019. I've received very vague answers from TheC64 team when I asked when the full size was being released...also, they're supposedly going to have a hand held version as well kind of like a Game Boy type setup.

The 8BitGuy has managed to plug in a full sized pc keyboard into the C64Mini and even loaded other programs via and SDcard image. Search for his C64Mini review.

More than welcome.

Yes they are smart, polite, and possess a wicked sense of humor too :)

The 8BitGuy has managed to plug in a full sized pc keyboard into the C64Mini and even loaded other programs via and SDcard image. Search for his C64Mini review.

full size one may come soon... but if nobody buys this one we probably wont ever see it

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Nostalgia + deceptive advertising = money. That's why the fake keyboard exists. I wouldn't buy from a company that uses that tactic. Plus, there's the fact that it's considerably more expensive to mold the shell with a fake keyboard. Put it in a plain shell, and spend the money elsewhere. * *But then it doesn't look nice in thumbnails and snare people with nostalgic feelings into not reading the full product description before they click "purchase" And then those folks open their package on Xmas morning and their tears stain the carpet forever, and they have to buy new carpet because they cry blood like a religious ikon or cry acid like Alien (what say you? The alien doesn't cry acid in the movie? Well, watch Titanic with an alien and then tell me they don't cry acid. I had to buy a new couch and replace my pipes and buy my downstairs neighbor a new ceiling.) Lolz

Retro games should of thought of this beforehand just going the extra mile to make a workable keyboard would of had them better success in sales and publicity

Ba-dum Boosh...

There are massive latency issues. If you are willing to play the games this should be a big red flag.

The actual hardware on a CRT is of course the best solution, but some of us don't have that luxury having long-since sold our systems. If the full-sized C64 replica is released and isn't run via emulation then that would be a suitable alternative. As it stands with this one, there is no real difference between emulating on it or on a PC.

I'm sure with some homebrew work, it could be done. But out of the box, no.

I'd heard they were planning on bringing out a full-sized unit, that might open up the expandability options. Sadly there aren't even any GPIO pins on the board so hacking will be interesting to say the least.

Potentially.

You could use Competition Pro joysticks on the Speccy aswell,via Kemptson :P

Yeah I know but it kinda kills the joke lol

Yeah..i had just woken up when i posted that shite :P Carry on sir!

Harry Warburg bull shit. NES and SNES sold very well.

Who needs a cart port? It doesn't matter

The Super NT seems sweet af though. Outdones the SNES Mini by far. Hell it's even better than the original, it's the true 21st Century SNES!

I know what your saying and I'm saying you are wrong. I had a nes as did some of my mates. None existent? Nope..

Every one who has carts :\ ( crickets )

On their site they have a basic rundown of basic

thedungeondelver this is it.

The original came with neither of those anyway. You got some basic stuff in the manual but it was't really a guide.

gibbonduder182 you definitely didn't have new C64

ehh. 6502 is not a register based design. It's a register + memory based design; A lot of it is built to work directly in memory. For instance I've seen random number algorithms performing shifts on 32 bit values. Does that involve loading 8 bits at a time from memory to a register? No! You perform the shift directly in memory, with the carry bit set as a result, then perform the second shift. This is aided by zero page memory, and the fact that 6502 design demands single cycle memory access. (the implications of which is that memory access isn't much different in performance to working with a register.) Also, data bus width is irrelevant to code complexity. It affects performance, but doesn't make coding more difficult. You only need to look at a 65816 or 8088 to realise that; both are 16 bit devices with an 8 bit data bus. 16 bit registers are certainly nice, but on an 8 bit CPU? Still going to be a headache if your core logic can't operate on 16 bit values. And if it can? congratulations, you're using a 16 bit CPU, not an 8 bit one. 16 bits of address space is minuscule by the way. 64k? You can fill that much memory really quickly. eh. Never liked 8 bit CPU's that much anyway, but... If your complaint is entirely down to register size and address calculation issues... My guess is you're not using a 6502 very effectively. I mean, I've run into some messy stuff programming an 800XL, but that's the least of it. Dealing with screen RAM, even in an 8k graphics mode is not some massively complex task...

Midnight people are my favourite people.

8 bit guy did a latency test on his. it was around 0.23 seconds for the picture and about 0.60ish for the sound to catch up I believe but he was using a PAL model in the USA so....

Yeah, I watched his review when it was published and he was aware of his being a European/PAL product, hence his good and thorough testing when he was aware of the latency issues. I was just curious whether Peter's C64 mini was suffering with the same latency issues even in a PAL region to get a feel, if the issue was the same or even non-existent. No doubt new firmware and optimisation will minimise problems but if the product is a bit janky out of the box, people may opt to not support it and it dies which would be sad unless the manufacturers were open with their customers and said 'We're aware of issues, region latency issues and new firmware will sort that soon!'

These numbers are downright appalling, it is regrettable that no more was said about latency in this review. To put things in perspective this means that between pressing a button and the corresponding on screen action, 10 frames get drawn. On the original machine you would have maximum one or two frames of latency. This is bound to make playing fast paced 50 Hz games rubber banding nightmare. I will definitely not buy for this reason alone. Why playability is not the decisive factor in the reviews I have seen so far is a very disappointing mystery to me. A side by side comparison with the original hardware of the playing experience was also a must. We do not buy these things to line up our shelves (I hope at least).

Laurent Giroud - The latency issues were my primary concern too, together with modern HDMI TV's and their latency issues too. If the C64 mini was decent, I'd opt to play on a 21 inch CRT, but not enough people have mentioned the latency issues, that may well only be temporary issue, but we can only hope!

reggiep75 the latency issue is my #1 complaint. I find several games almost impossible to play at the moment, and it is not my screen. No lag with nes/snes mini on it.

Yes, and yes.

Was this the first video of yours she was in?!?!

Yeah, they were both on Ashens doing a gameshow type thingy.

Thanks! Gonna check that out.

You dirty sod

I was just about to comment on this. I actually have the soundtrack on CD, and I noticed the music was very close, but a little different.

Licensing ,sure yes but also they couldnt track down a lot of the original games programmers ..and with Ocean games..who knows who owns those now.Infogrammes bought Ocean,then they renamed themselves "Atari"..Then fuck knows who came after that.System 3 are still around..i guess they couldnt get a deal going with Mark Cale.

The 8BitGuy has managed to plug in a full sized pc keyboard into the C64Mini and even loaded other programs via and SDcard image. Search for his C64Mini review.

They can only put the games they have a licence for... or that are in public domain

They take your money the day prior to shipping. I remembered once that happened.

Nostalgia Nerd that makes a lot more sense!

Well here it costed like £85 (sweden). I had probably waited to buy it. But it was convenient released a day I was alone for the first time at home, and I was like what the heck, atleast I am supporting them. It is quite nice actually, but need a firmware update to make it easier to put games in, and also make it possible to switch between port 1 and 2 controller because now some games wont work due it is using port 2, and the joystick only use port 1 all the time (probably can be fixed if you have two joystick). 6/10 is a fair score.