Doesn't have HDMI monitor in the house. True 8-bit Guy !! :)

The first HDMI TV was set to "Cinema" mode, that automatically zooms the picture to give you the illusion of a 16:9 aspect ratio with a 4:3 source image. If the source image is 16:9 you will see exactly what you saw, what looks like over scan. You would have needed to go through the other options and found one that worked.

"I have another visitor, stay awhile, stay forever....." Man that brings back memories.

Your videos and channel makes me feel so happy. Thank you for being on KZfaq 8 Bit Guy!

The coloring is actually closer to the original first run C-64s . The grayish beige one was a later model.

The easiest way to find the current copyright owner? Infringe on the copyright of the game. :)

Can't believe you had never heard of Monty Mole, that was a classic. Some of the notable omissions from the list were any Jeff Minter games (Attack of the Mutant Camels, etc), Manic Miner, International Karate, WOTEF or Spy vs Spy. Even Elite despite originally being a BBC micro game. As for Paradroid, I still think that was the greatest C64 game ever.

"If Commodore 64s could have babies, this is what they'd look like" Rule 34 artists: "Hold my beer"

The fake keyboard ruins it for me

An AMIGA 500 Mini would be nice to have :)

2:55 the brown colour was the original colour, I had one. 6 months later my friend got one and it was grey, we both assumed this was a newer model. It might be a Europe/US thing, the brown ones just in Europe and the grey ones just in US.

"so I wrote a program in assembly..." This is one committed reviewer. Bravo!

This is a neat device. I might actually buy one of these myself. Especially if they update the firmware and add some better features. The biggest reason I don't play my C64 is the trouble of getting it out and hooking it up.

Love your videos across all your channels thanks for the content... very keen to watch this video particularly as I've had one on pre-order for months and it's being delivered this Thursday. Love for them to make a fully functional Amiga 500

really good review, it's nice to see the board tear down along w some inside info on the chipsets and such

I'm getting into the C64 for the first time with this, we were a IBM-PC family when we were growing up, and I only got to play on friends C64s (and Amigas). Thanks for the review, the technical side of it was tremendous, and very useful. Can't wait to get my one setup and running shortly!

12:24 ".. and here is another one of the mini space shooter games" DUDE. That is Armalythe. It's one of the BEST space shooters i have ever played on the commodore. You, however, should play it on the real c64 with a friend. So much fun.

Thanks so much for this thorough review! *SUPER* helpful!

i got over the fake keyboard but "joystick latency" is too much

Great video. I will keep my eye out for the larger version with working keyboard. thanks.

I would wager everybody will notice a 130ms input delay on fast arcade-style games.

I'm stunned at how many classic C64 games you weren't familiar with. I guess they didn't travel out of Europe. It makes me wonder what US games we've missed here in Europe. We got a lot via US Gold of course.

Can you use them to program basic, and how hard is it to save your programs?

in 2018 it takes 256MB to do what 1982 could do with 64KB, but with a lot more latency

If only the keyboard was real..even if it used shitty laptop key switches this would be 1000 time better.

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Your videos are always interesting and fun to watch. Keep it up. :)

Definetly worth the subscription. Really good content. Reminds me of my own C64 back in the days. Which I still have.

0.13s delay is over 7 frames at 60 fps.. that is massive

Did you really just refer to Armalyte as another “ space shooter game” ? It was probably the best achievement in gaming ever released on the C64. Some really nice games on this release.

thanks for showing me how to load your game that I bought on your website onto my C64 mini! can't wait to try it out!

It's been an amazing journey and several decades later find myself sentimental over my first personal computer, the C64! In fact I did work on a lot of my graduate work in electronic music back in 83/84 on the C64!

Need to retrobright this one too.

The included software will definitely be more familiar to those of us living across the pond in the UK and Europe. To be honest, I would put that down as a positive for those from the US thinking of buying the c64 mini, there’s some great games amongst the ones you are not familiar with.

Them thinking of loading ROMs is nicer than a lot of vendors. Great video as always.

Thanks for the great video. I bought one because of this. These things are hard to come by in South Africa but managed to get my hands on it. Very happy so far.

Without a keyboard, they might as well have put all the hardware into the base of that giant joystick. 👎🏻

I personally think it's good that the modern Retro consoles have HDMI as their image output. For a long time, I haven't used anything except HDMI for Image output. It's convenient, because it's the most-used image output in this generation. Just like A/V and VGA used to be the convenient standards one generation before.

Nebulus aka Tower Toppler aka Castelian (on NES) was awesome! Quite challenging, but definitely recommend to try on any platform. Also I was blow away by your lag-analysis! Great work.

Excellent. There are some nice looking C64 new games in the last few years. I haven't played them properly since the mid 90s, but really probably time to start getting into Commodore gaming again. Probably because it just makes me happier.

needs better games like Beachhead, Raid Over, etc

2:04 well, when a daddy c64 and a mommy c64 reaaaaly love each other....

Been binge watching for 2days while sick in bed. LOVE the channel (and the new awesome intro! ) Living in NYC, but greetings from a Texas native! Like the content. Keep it up plz!

I used my C64 monitor for NES & Sega when i traveled , such great picture !

I love the footage of the thing being fabricated! It might be cool if you could do a factory tour.

I'd be interested in hearing more about the sound aspect of these emulators. How is the sound compared with the SID devices?

I love your channel and it’s addictive to watch. I’ve been binge watching. Also appreciate the fact you don’t have obtrusive mid video adverts. As an electrician the cables being slightly wonky on your wall behind you on the left side really triggers me! Ahahahahahah! Please pull them slightly straighter 😂

Just found your channel a few days ago and dining on some great nostalgia. Although I cannot believe you haven't seen Armalyte or Hawkeye. Although I lived in NZ so we didn't see all the games you were familiar with, but most of them lol.

That is an exceptionally good selection of games. I thought I saw Creatures in that lot, probably one of the best coded games made on any platform ever.

18:32 Even with "Game Mode" enabled, there can still be several frames of latency in the TV itself, depending on the model. Manufacturers are finally starting to add lower latency options to certain newer TVs, and obviously OLED TVs often have much lower latency. (but not always, of course. Some newer TVs can be just as terrible with latency than the older ones, if not worse. lol)

Thanks Dave for the review. Concerning the comment near the end about finding a working C64 on eBay. I found a nice unit at a decent price but non working. It had the board revision I wanted so I nabbed it. I had to troubleshoot and repair it but I was in the electronics development industry at Westinghouse, Kodak and a leading university for 35 years so I had the skills to do so. I also bought the SD card external drive to load all the d64 files available on line.

Hey David, any chance of an update on how this thing has progressed? Have they improved usability/features? Any difference in the lag?

Fun fact: The A20 in this thing, in both GPU and CPU architecture, is the same as the R16 (also by Allwinner) in the NES and SNES Classic Mini systems! The big difference being that this one's a dual-core and those are both quad-core. Edit: Upon checking Uridium on that hardware, I think the latency is software-specific. Did the C64 emulator guys draft up their own emulator or license something like Vice? If the former, it might be something that needs to be fixed on their end.

seems like a cool little unit! I never had any experience with the original so I don't know a lot about the games, but it would be fun to check out anyway.

Amazing video I learned more than I expected. THANKS

I stick to my original the old breadbox version that still works including the tape recorder. still love to bring back memories pressing play on tape, load error, adjusting tone head then on to it again until it works :P

That's "Nodes of *Yesod" my friend. One of the best games released at the time 👍🕹️

Some of those games you hadn't heard of are pretty famous ones at least in UK

This was the most thorough thing I've ever watched on KZfaq

I remember back in the days I had a brown one while my younger brother got a slightly newer, much lighter breadbin one. Both were brand new bought EU models. I even remember my original box which was very similar with the box the mini comes in. If I could choose, I’d go for the browner one.

You should definitely consider a video series on assembly programming, its nearly impossible to find any good video tutorials on it even today and most are in Hindi as well. I remember my struggles spending over 8 hours trying to output text, where the book we used didn't even mentioned it until chapters later but already assigned it as a problem from the first chapter. Not to mention even setting up the environment for it. It was the worst academic experience of my life.

The color is not off. I had one in the 80s with this color.

Very interesting stuff! Great content.

Excellent review as always!

Monty On the Run has a legendary soundtrack, it's worth playing for the music alone.

“If Commodore 64s could have babies..” Science, make it happen.

Thing on a spring and thing bounces back were two of my favourite C64 games back in the day.

18:40 - The interesting thing is that I used the sound of him clicking the space button and then importing it into VLC to determine the audio delay of my Bluetooth headphones! But it helped, so thank you!

Here are the review scores for each game from seminal C64 magazine ZZAP!64. In summary; 39 scoring 90% or over and 22 scoring 80% to 89%! AlleyKat [Zzap!64 - 89%], Anarchy [Zzap!64 - 83%], Armalyte [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Avenger [Zzap!64 - 86%], Battle Valley [Zzap!64 - 91% (Sizzler)], Boulder Dash [Zzap!64 - 96% (I & II Reviewed)], Bounder [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], California Games [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Chip’s Challenge [Zzap!64 - 86%], Confuzion [Zzap!64 - 89% (Sizzler)], Cosmic Causeway: Trailblazer II [Zzap!64 - 93% (Sizzler)], Creatures [Zzap!64 - 96% (Gold Medal)], Cyberdyne Warrior [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Cybernoid II: The Revenge [Zzap!64 - 91% (Sizzler)], Cybernoid: The Fighting Machine [Zzap!64 - 93% (Sizzler)], Deflektor [Zzap!64 - 81%], Everyone’s A Wally [Zzap!64 - 82% (Sizzler)], Firelord [Zzap!64 - 68%], Gribbly’s Day Out [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Hawkeye [Zzap!64 - 96% (Gold Medal)], Heartland [Zzap!64 - 85%], Herobotix [Zzap!64 - 87%], Highway Encounter [Zzap!64 - 79%], Hunter's Moon [Zzap!64 - 92% (Sizzler)], Hysteria [Zzap!64 - 83%], Impossible Mission [Zzap!64 - 95% (Past Blaster)], Impossible Mission II [Zzap!64 - 96% (Gold Medal)], IO [Zzap!64 - 80%], Jumpman [pre Zzap!64 - 9/10 Lemon64], Mega Apocalypse [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Mission A.D [Zzap!64 - 80%], Monty Mole (I) [pre Zzap!64 - Crash 92% (A Crash Smash)], Monty on the Run (III) [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Nebulus [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Netherworld [Zzap!64 - 87%], Nobby the Aardvark [Zzap!64 - 96% (Gold Medal)], Nodes Of Yesod [Zzap!64 - 95% (Sizzler)], Paradroid [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Pitstop II [Zzap!64 - 89% (Sizzler)], Rana Rama [Zzap!64 - 87%], Robin Of The Wood [Zzap!64 - 92% (Sizzler)], Rubicon [Zzap!64 - 88%], Skate Crazy [Zzap!64 - 86%], Skool Daze [Zzap!64 - 78%], Snare [Zzap!64 - 88%], Speedball [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Speedball II: Brutal Deluxe [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Spindizzy [Zzap!64 - 98% (Gold Medal)], Star Paws [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Steel [Zzap!64 - 82%], Street Sports Baseball [Zzap!64 - 82%], Summer Games II [Zzap!64 - 97% (Gold Medal)], Super Cycle [Zzap!64 - 95% (Sizzler)], Temple of Apshai Trilogy [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], The Arc Of Yesod [Zzap!64 - 91% (Sizzler)], Thing Bounces Back [Zzap!64 - 86%], Thing on a Spring [Zzap!64 - 93% (Sizzler)], Trailblazer [Zzap!64 - 93% (Sizzler)], Uchi Mata [Zzap!64 - 89%], Uridium [Zzap!64 - 94% (Sizzler)], Who Dares Wins II [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)], Winter Games [Zzap!64 - 94% (Sizzler)], World Games [Zzap!64 - 98% (Gold Medal)], Zynaps [Zzap!64 - 90% (Sizzler)].

1987 I got a second hand C64 with a lot of games, nostalgia. Some of the games i loved: Indoorsport Bowling Boulder dash Giana Sisters Bubble Bobble Space Harrier Rampage International karate Yie ar Kung Fu Lazy Jones Panic Rygar Super Mario Bross

Excellent review. It is so tempting to buy one of these, if only to play Jumpman. My now 25 year old son grew up with a C64. Actually we started with the C16. We must have played Jumpman for 1,000 hours back then.

Great review.. I've got one of these myself and am very impressed with it.

It's got one of my favourite games on it from the Commodore 64 (Hunter's Moon) - which is why my user name is Hunter's Moon

So how DOES it compare to the one released in 2004?

This is such a great channel

Great video. Brought back great memories. Looking back now I wonder how in the world we had patience to wait for games to load but it was fun learning computers on this great and under rated system back in the day. My mom n dad couldn't afford an apple 2 e but this and the Vic 20 was very affordable and began my love of computer gaming...favorite c64 game....telengard, bards tail 1,2,3 and i liked MASTER of magic, MASTER of lamps, wasteland, all the text adventures, realms of impossibility, but my favorite games of all time was the dungeons and dragons gold box series with pool of radiance as the all time best c64 game of my memory. Many more come to mind. Great video.

3:00 - Mine is more the color of the mini. Could be a variance in the plastics that were used earlier/later in the run (bromine content?). I looked all over the unit and it doesn't seem discolored, I think that was the color it came in.

Very cool. You clearly received a device that is in the late beta-testing stage -- close to being ready for commercial production, but just not quite there yet. I think the future firmware updates will make it an excellent device -- hopefully they'll be able to figure out how to remove some of that latency you showed. That would be a *big* distraction to me... I'm very sensitive to latency like that. But overall, I'm impressed with this project -- I definitely hope it succeeds, and I will definitely have to consider buying one.

Nice work! Personally, I would like to see such a machine with functional keyboard that emulates everything from Pet to C128.. but I'm probably not the target market.

love your videos, keep up the good work.

It looks cool but they definitely need to allow you to put more than one game on it! Curious to see how it turns out when it releases in the US

so glad to see you load MULE up! pity about the latency.

Excellent review. Completely adore your terrific 80's style music and attention to detail including physically opening the unit up. (who didn't love opening up there consoles back in the day. Hmmm, let's see, the Philips Video PAC, Atari 2600, Vectrex and an Apple IIe were all opened up back in the day.) For the price point this is is pretty cost effective for what you get and surely it's not that hard just to plug in a USB keyboard. Perhaps the company could makea special hub and keyboard package that could clip onto the top of the unit and provide an actual C64 replica keyboard. That would certainly sell a lot more hardcore fans. Shame about the lags but to be honest it doesn't look nearly as painful as waiting for those confounded cassettes to load back in the day. Fingers crossed they decide to do an Amiga 500 version and let the retro gamin heaven begin. :)

Great review! Thanks EBG!

Those save slots are handy for people like Billy Mitchell.

Nodes of Yesod is a great ZX Spectrum classic!

can't believe this is still around , you gotta be about my age or a couple of years older, and congrats for writing a game, back in the days it was insane to use lm sticks, peeks/pokes and sprites and all that assembler , arg !, you're awesome, old school programmin rocks

Tower Toppler was called Castelian for the NES. I had a friend who loved that game. He died and that brought back some old memories.

Boulder Dash 😍😍😍😍😍 game of my childhood 😁

The universe of people who don’t like Boulder Dash contains: you

I have a question. I don't want to use the original joystick anymore. If a buy a USB Keyboard, can I use it in the main menu (instead of the joystick)? In that case, which USB Keyboard do you recommend? Or is the joystick still necessary to navigate in the main menu? Thanks!

And that 50htz machine you have there is the right colour for here in Australia along with 50rtz 🙏🏽

How can 8-bit guy not know of all those classics? Americans must have missed out on half of all C64 games released.

Everyone has something with a HDMI now

Love the intro music!

Oh man California Games was awesome back in the day. I played that one a lot. If you're gonna check one out that's my recommendation.

I'm amazed at the lengths you had to go through to get an HDMI monitor.

Do a review of Mail Order Monsters---one of my all-time favorite C64 games!!!!

Yep. As mentioned, the tan colored C-64s came earlier. The gray-ish ones were later. As I recall there was a minor chipset or ROM change or something between the two. The Vic-20s also had two colors. The original ones, which were hard to come by at all, were a beige shade, the later ones were more of an eggshell. If you look at an older cartridge, the beige label matches the plastic perfectly, but on the newer cartridges, the label was still beige, but the plastic was more eggshell colored. ;) OMG! I about flipped out when you plugged the power in before the video cord. All of those old C/X/VGA video cables carried power on the video cable, and I zapped more than one video card / motherboard over the years plugging the video cable in while the power was on. I find myself wondering if you've tried to take some old C-64 parts and build an emulator box with a built in USB keyboard out of this thing. Ah-ha!! A bin file in the root of the USB drive. That sir ( theC64 mini), is an android device with a C-64 emulator on it. I'll bet on it. I bet you could hack it somehow and install you're own better faster emulator. :D You made me roll my eyes. 'I SUSPECT that there are screws under the little rubber feet. Yep, there they are.' Shocking. ^^ Linux core? I'm going to double down on the android thing. ;) Wait, time out, it could be one of those 'Damn Small Linux' machines or whatever they called, and the bin file could be an emulated Linux machine on CD-ROM. Seems a little silly.. but it would explain the delays.

Hey David, I recently found your channel and have been binge-watching it. I started programming on a ZX81 when I was 10 and have always been interested in programming, hardware and retro games. Would you be able to make a tutorial on assembly language as that would be great to learn?