Sony Fx6 does have a scratch audio mic in body. its good enough for reference audio

The fx6 is more popular and has caused the c70 prices to plunge. In short one can pick up a c70 in the low 3k range I did. Thanks everyone for hating on the C70!

Great points here!! Personally for me, the 7 stops of ND is perfect. For my work, if I need more stops than it most likely means I’m trying to shoot too wide open and need to close down. I think a lot of people forget that most films aren’t shot at f1.2 haha. Of course depends on taste and workflow. I personally prefer f2.8 and up. Specially for my fashion work cause I don’t want the clothing to be out of focus. And then for narrative and documentary work, I want the location to be visible and not just all blurred out.

I absolutely love and appreciate your commentary for camera critiques! Glad to have found your YT channel. Feels like your not trying to just trying to sell me on the camera. Hope you keep it up.

I think it’s a slap in the face that Sony did not even put a 3.5 mm microphone jack on to the body and only put it in the handle with the XLR ports. That’s crazy.

Regarding the FX6 having "only" 7 stops of ND - it's plenty for 90% of shooting situations, and when it isn't I just have a good quality 4-stop nd on the lens for the duration of the shoot. This is hugely different from having to use a variable ND on the lens, with all the artefacting they produce. FX6 still wins here for me, because of the ability to dial in the exact ND needed.

Canon C70 is absolutely more suitable for wildlife documentary work in harsh light conditions here in Namibia for the exact reasons you mentioned. Love its portability and quick turnaround on Davinci Resolve. In addition, we often need to shoot handheld, a breeze with IS. Thanks for the comparison, will expand the Canon gear for the Conservation Film Foundation!

Been working on both and decided to go with the FX6 in the end.

Very helpful, thank you!

I learned on Sony, was forced to work on Panasonic for years, and then invested in Canon. Now I bounce back and forth between Canon C70, and Sony FS5…about to invest in Sony FX30. The C70 far exceeds the FS5, but the FS5 is useful for zoom/follow on events if the light isn’t too low.

As a low budget/indie filmmaker, I've been looking at the FX6 and C70 for a while now. The one factor that keeps steering me towards the C70 is its form factor. Because the C70 looks like a DSLR, it's easier to shoot in public places without drawing unwanted attention. For low budget filmmaking, that is a huge advantage. For high end filmmaking, I would love to shoot with the ARRI Alexa 35 or the Sony Venice 2. But, in the meantime, I am more likely to lean to the FX6 or C70.

Interesting! Thanks for sharing 🙏🏼

The lab test you showed claiming that the C70 has more dynamic range had noise reduction applied to the C70 since it is shooting in compressed rather than raw. I don’t think that’s a fair comparison

Hey another great video! Love the new consistency of outputting so much content! Regarding the last thought about having canon or Sony and the chances that the camera you have will decide will you get the job. From my experience in this level of cameras that it rarely matters. Usually it only matters if a client or a production company wants to have all the same cameras and then they chose one over another for that reasons. In higher productions that could matter but then we are talking a more expensive cameras and in that segment canon is less popular than RED, Alexa or Sony. But I never heard someone didn’t get a job for shooting with c70 or fx6. Most of DPs anyway don’t work on serious projects with their cameras since rental prices for RED and even Arri are not that terible.

informative comparison of FX6 / C70 in 14mins.

Both amazing cameras! I went with the C70 only because of Internal RAW

Great comparisons. I’ve honestly never been in a situation where I needed more than the 7 stops out if the fx6. And I live in Minnesota and sometimes shoot out in the snow during winter.

You can unscrew the microphone holder on the fx6 and I've replaced it with a 3d printed one

With a matte box.. dropping in a 2 stop ND seems easy. I’ve personally never maxed out the Sony VND.

The C70 only has up to a 6-stop ND filter. The 8 and 10 stop options are achieved by combining multiple ND filters, which can impair the image quality.

Great video, I want a C90 - my made up full frame c70.

Fortunately for me, I have both and more. This was good information, I pick up my Sony most of the time even more than my Red and Blackmagic cameras. But I do love my C70, it's so easy to use.

I was a wedding/event shooter but was blessed to get into local tv work and have been making 77 episodes and 7 tv shows for the past 2.5 years. For me I prefer to stick with Canon. The C70 was the perfect camera for me when it released why? 1) it is a versatile camera, it can be full frame and be great in low light and be a crop sensor and get me that extra reach. A 300mm can become 480mm. It does make a difference. Full frame and shallow dof isn’t everything for me, it helps, but content is king. We would be shooting F4 most of the time tbh. But depending on the work, we do shoot f2 to f5.6 or even f8. (2) its size - try traveling as light as possible when you need to bring minimum 3-6 lights, 5-9 cameras and a bunch of tripods, cards, stands, etc. Furthermore you have everything on the body itself especially the nd filters. (3) the dynamic range. Usually for our work, because of schedule, pressure, etc, people make mistakes. But the C70’s dynamic range have saved my @$$ more times than I would admit. Especially because we have so many camera operators someone is bound to mess up at some point. (4) I already have 30+ canon lenses, both EF and RF. It will be stupid of me to jump here and there once a manufacturer have a slight edge over the other. (5) the c70 keeps getting better and better with each firmware update. But if I were to start alllllll over again? Maybe I’ll just get 10 fx30 due to the price and festures and call it a day. My needs is not the same as others cos I’m not shooting for Netflix so… there’s that. But interesting video to know how you work with your gear. Love your videos. Never missed one. Ever.

really good video, great insight. I'm trying to get a c70 for filming vlogs/recipe videos (i know it's prob a bit of overkill) and was wondering if you had some insight on a good setup?

Great video! Awesome job to bring it up all the important point of both cameras. For me Sony is a way to go, I did a lot of documentary and wedding videos, the body layout like a regular video camera is easy to hold for a day, also the auto ND is way too important for me, c70 ND is good but if your light is constantly changing like go in and outdoor, you will need to change the ND and see that ND drop in, that ruin the image. The last thing you mentioned, there are lot more business clients require SONY camera other than Canon, specially documentary, TV and commercial, and that is so true! So for me, the camera can make money for me is good camera, Canon is good but now is more like for small budget short film camera.

I'm new to your channel but your videos are very helpful in my buying decision and I am pretty well sold on the Canon C70. Hope to make that purchase in the coming weeks.

Great video! What your grandmother told you, we in Dutch call quite literally “ant-fucking” 😂 Both camera’s are amazing and I feel at this point it is all more about personal preference and how it fits your personal shooting style. If you can’t produce great footage on one, you can’t do it on the other. No need for brand wars, both of them are awesome 🙏🏻

top of the top! thx

Used Canon for over 10 years, and went with Sony FX6 instead. Sony is progressing in cinema, Canon disappoints me year after year. In the States almost everyone in broadcast uses Sony (if not Arri/RED) nowadays so that is the route I wanted to go for in my industry.

Even those it’s not a fair comparison regarding price, the c300 and maaaybe a new c200 would really compare better to the FX6, so when I want the better ergonomics I reach for the C300, and damn is it a better design than the FX9 and FX6.

Top handle on sony is only an issue if you don't use timecode to sync audio... lol pros love fx6

Believe me , as a C70 owner in Philippines, 10 stops of NDF is a must...

Fx6 primarily because of the lenses build and the auto VnD. The C70 is more enjoyable to grade and travel with .

Great Video

As a Canon and BM user Canons policy with the lenses is concerning. I'd really, REALLY want to get a C70 but Canon is making it really hard on both practical and principal level for me to want to invest any further into their ecosystem before seeing where all of this ends up.

biggest downside I've noticed to the FX6 is mainly the size for traveling. You have to get pretty creative if you want to fit an FX6, a second camera, lenses for both and monitors for both (as well as any extras you need for shooting) into a single, flyable case. It's 100% possible (I've done it) but I'd imagine it's far more difficult than trying to fit the same kit with a C70. a small nitpick that still occasionally drives me crazy is that you can't stop the FX6 from writing 8 tracks of audio, even if 6 of them are blank and you've disabled any microphones from recording to those tracks. editing multiple video layers whenever each clip has 8 attached audio tracks is beyond annoying. it's a limitation of the internal codec Sony uses and sounds like a small gripe, but when you have to disable 6/8 audio tracks everytime you edit, it gets pretty old pretty quick.

They hate for stock top handles boggles me. Its there and you need it for audio for the sony line.

Any experience or thoughts on budget friendly systems? Say - R8/used R5 vs. fx30/fx3 ? Can’t afford the big boys

While the variable ND on the Sony is great, nobody mentions that it only kicks in at two stops - below that you have to disengage the ND. Shooting in the UK with cloudy, changeable weather, between 0-2 stops is where I would most like to have variable ND! Also I find the fact that you can’t change your ISO in Cine-EI mode in S-log3, very restrictive. So I end up stuck, needing to lower my exposure by a little, but having no ND option and no ISO option just at that point. It’s a pain! Why Sony are so restrictive with ISO’s in S-Log3 is beyond me, as BM doesn’t do this, nor Canon, to my knowledge. Would love someone to invent a variable ND between 0-2 stops as well as 2-6 stops - this would be a killer feature. Apart from that, I would get the Sony Fx6 over the Canon mainly because since the Fs7, people often ask to shoot on a Sony and never on a Canon - a shame, because I prefer the current Canon range overall, though it’s a close run thing.

sony fs5 was my dream camera still i started. i like the canon c200 more and c70 would be a dream B cam for it. ill prob grab sony fx6 for a reminder for me

I’m considering selling all my C70 and R5C kit to switch to FX6/FX3 Sony world and this video has kinda stumped me. What should I do. The one thing I have noticed is that I have been turned down for work quite a few times for it having Sony and never hired because I have Canon. I also shoot poker (shout out GGPoker) good to see who’s behind the camera for those vids 👌

Thanks for the your insights. I still can't decide. What do you think would be better for wildlife? The low light ability of the Sony is a big point to consider.

Don’t know if it was already discussed but the graphic of de dinamic range shows data for the c300 mk iii not the c70

Sony A7iv vs Fx6 vs C70, which one should I buy for professional long term KZfaq videos like Mini Mr beast type ? 😅

blessings!

Just the RF Canon lens situation is a no go! It's Crazy what Canon is doing with this..

the more i look around i guess the r3 will become my first videocamera over the r5c and c70 but not for landscape photography where i still use my r5

whoa! the Sony image looks very "digital" to me where the Canon looks more "filmic"

No SDI port is not a big deal as a converter will fix that issue.

I like Sony big reason 3rd party glass. Not that I own FX6 but I know glass can be very expensive.

Mistake on 7:33 you changed info for the Dynamic range??

What would be the more affordable version of the c70?

Maybe you can now say, “This is Monkey Pixels, welcome to Damien Cooper” 😂

It’s interesting that you didn’t really mention the huge difference between the look of super35 sensor size vs full frame

Dear Damien, thank you for your great information. I have been using Canon since I was a student and I love its colors. But due to industry conditions, I think I will choose Sony. Greetings from Turkey

Hi Damien, mr mokeypixel, I had not thought about what you mentioned on new lenses not coming out for EF or RF. Truth be told Viltrox, Sigma, Tamron are crushing the new lens game both in FF and APSC. There are also a bunch of new Anamorphic lenses, are these not coming for EF-RF either?

Very interesting comparison and conclusion! I thought you were ready to switch last week lol. I have to say I agree with all points except the Vari ND which is clearly superior to mechanical ND and for 90% situations 7 stops is enough. Yet despite the lens situations etc, I would also go for the C70 because I just prefer the color science, the native lenses, the DGO sensor, the codecs (RAW!) and the form factor. That being said I shoot Sony professionally all the time just because as you've said its become an industry standard. But for solo run & gun projects, I much prefer Canon.

if some one only hires you if you have Sony... he doesn't understand cinematography and sony's marketing depatment did a great job on him.

You've been used SWIT HD, but your recommend option list has Feelworld? why?

Almost every documentary and even Sundance is done with Canon 200, 300, and 500 when you look at the published lists.

as a Canon C70 owner.. can you think of a way to do Auto-Exposure on the C70? there's no Auto ISO or Auto ND that I'm aware of

Do you have a video about your experience on an Oscar-nominated doc coming??

The image quality on the Canon really blows that Fx6 out the water. It looks so clean and organic. 😊

No section on stabilisation? Thanks!

I was confused by "Wir wollen ja jetzt nicht mal EU tun" - As a german, I never heard that term before. But i guess your grandma lived in the "Ruhrpott"? The area around Dortmund, Essen, Duisburg? Sounds like that :)

Great comparison, make me wake up from sony dream😆

Well done, well seen. Whatever. This Canon is great. But... I'm a Sony Boy... (to my mind, the FX6 is already in end of life. Waiting now for a FX7)

You don’t need to drive many house to a location and just blur the background. You can just shoot in your backyard and use bokeh.

WHERE’s their 8k 60p replacement?

ich wollte erst die FX3, dann konnte ich mit der FX6 kurz arbeiten, seit dem bekomm ich sie nicht mehr aus den Augen, ich hoffe noch ich kann die restlichen 1500€ zusammen verdienen. Am LIebsten mit der 24-105 kombi

Looks like there is SDI in the front of the Canon?? if it's not SDI what is it?

I've heard that Canon is not really allowing third parties to make RF glass.

For jack of all trades, will chose FX6. For image quality, will choose C70

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The fact that you can adapt almost any lens to the Sony E-mount is already a win IMHO. And the amount of built in ND in the Sony is plenty fine. I’m not shooting F1.2 at high noon open sun, that’s so 5Dmk2 era. There are some things I like about the C70, but I like way more on the FX6 which was why I bought it. It’s proven to be the right move as I’m using Leica R glass which draw sublime images.

excellent post mate! super clear! Couple of questions... 1- Does the Cano C70 shoots both Clog3 & Clog2? & 2- Does the Canon c70 has pre-record, (like the RED has which is great for wildlife...), thanks!

Nice graphics.

Canon c200 with 4.2.2 10 bit😉

I am a dp and mostly shoot on Canon (because I own them) and Arris and I had to work with Sony 3 times. Honestly, I felt like they were stuck in the 2000s. Color science sucks, file format is a problem. It's personal, but I hate Sony Glass as well. And regarding NDs that is never a problem cause I never use them. I always go with a Mattbox anyway. I mean you need built in VNds for videography only. And I would strongly disagree with Sony's night performance. Low light is especially bad in Sonys.. way too much noise and color distortion on high ISOs

Shocked to see you think C70 ND is better than electronic ND on FX6. Sure, you gave an example of shooting wide open in a hot desert mid day but how often do you do that? If thats all you do, then cool I guess. But for everyone else, the fact that we can keep the camera settings the same and auto expose to changing lighting conditions in a scene by using electronic variable ND is so much more useful than having 8-10 stop ND. Honestly, thats a game changer. With C70, if you choose an ND you cant change it without ruining the shot as the filter slides in and out of the shot. And it achieves 8-10 stops by stacking at a very noticeable drop in quality due to refraction. There's a reason why Canon calls them "extended" stop ND. Also, I didn't find the real life DR advantage I was looking for in C70 hence I sold it. I really expected more from the DGO sensor even though it comes with worse rolling shutter than FX3/FX6. They distribute the stops differently, so yes if you expose on Sony the same way as C70 you can think C70 has half a stop extra DR but when you expose them individually how they should be, they are pretty much the same and they're both good in that regard. If FX3/FX6 dynamic range is good enough Greg Fraser and Gareth Edwards to shoot a Hollywood sci fi, its safe to say we have nothing to complain about.

I’m surprised you aren’t aware that canon sent a cease and desist letter to all third party manufactures to stop making autofocus RF lenses.

R5 or Fx3 for video???

C300 III is 10 stops

Hi Damien - mach doch mal eine Folge auf deutsch :-)

im a sony shooter but the reason i don't get the fx6 is because it's massive compared to the c70

Thank you so much for getting rid of that intro

Sony are fine cameras, but whenever it's come down to the crunch for me, I always end up sticking with Canon. They're just more useable, they are much more intuitive to use, the menus on Sony are still, STILL dreadful even now on the FX9 (which I've used) and that alone is enough to annoy me out of using them. Whilst filming for National Geographic some years ago, I'd opted for the, then new, Sony FS7 II and I lost critical moments because they're just not as intuitive or functional as the offerings from Canon and others. Then there's the well known Canon colour science, which to this day never fails to impress me. This is another Sony seem to be incapable of nailing things - repeatability, settings for settings, of a particular look. Contrast that with my Canon and Arri cameras where it's just 'there'. That said, Sony make great products, very keenly priced and they produce great results. They're just not the right tools for me. That's all.

that means ppl hire ppl who use sony tends to produce low quality DR footage

So sony gets you in the door easier than cannon and is more likely to get you hired because...more companies and studios use sony?

Funny to have a $10,000+ camera set up with a budget Deity mic. 😂

Fx9

I had the fx6 and it was difficult. I used the crane 3s gimbal, so gimbals were no problem for me, mics neither becaue i could leave the top handle on at all times and with the mic rubber thing you can get basically everywhere all mics fit ... BUT my biggest problem was 8bit long gop, no wifi image transmission ( with the fx3 i can simply give the client a tablet and they have a picture) more noise than the fx3, no audio in slowmo, the ultra shitty white balancing, catalyst browse is amazing but people are to stupid for that so they really need to make a free plugin version. And tbh since i use the ronin 4d the button layouts of all other cameras seem absolutely stupid. same goes for both the canon and the sony. the integration of video transmission ect. ... in my eyes i would not buy any of them the fx6 has too many flaws, and canon has that weird mount problem... I would go ronin 4d any day of the week

Das Problem, das man mit Canon weniger Jobs bekommt ist meiner Meinung nach ein größeres Problem bei uns in Österreich und Deutschland wie anderswo. Man bekommt ja bei uns nichtmal so viele Benefits wenn man mit Red dreht, da viele bei uns immer der Meinung sind, das Raw viel zu aufwendig ist… Dieses einseitige und beschränkte Denken hindert bei uns die Branche etwas an Innovation.

Sony is the Supreme ruler in autofocus. Period.

Sony Skin Tones don't look right to me :-/

Eh

bro the c70 looks like a fat mirrorles , that its immediatly a NO for me

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