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Cabbage-pult's biggest problem in pvz2 is that he was designed as a roof level peashooter when roof levels don't exist in pvz2.

Plant costs 100 sun, does what his name implies, has art and animation and even has a plant food effect. Truly one of the plants in the game.

I think Cabbage-pult's biggest problem is it's specifically designed for a level that *no longer exists*

In the original PvZ, Cabbage-Pult solely served as a peashooter replacement in the roof, as the roof is designed to prevent you from using all of the powerful plants a player in the roof would have accumulated. Simply put, Cabbage-Pult is entirely and intrinsically tied to the roof. So when they remove elevation from the game, Cabbage-Pult loses all purpose.

I honestly NEVER knew he even had a lower overall damage output than Peashooter. I always thought he was a slightly better peashooter. Now that I’ve seen the numbers tho, I guess it’s time to FIRE Cabbage-Pult.

The only reason I ever used Cabbage-Pult was for his Plant Food effect during huge waves in the earliest levels.

What if cabbage-pult targeted the furthest zombie, instead of the closest? That way it gets a simple, but unique mechanic and purpose: to soften up new zombies to be taken out easier with the rest of your frontline plants. Then buff the stats so it's better than peashooter, and voila, something that is actually interesting to use.

A small thing I'd like to add for the "lobbing over isn't always a good thing" is that even for graves it can be a downside. Since more often than not if there is a lot of graves using cabbage you'll usually never clear them all out meaning they can end up just blocking up half your lawn cause cabbage keeps lobbing over them to hit the one or two stray zombies instead of when it's needed to clear out the grave sitting where you wanted to put a wall-nut.

This is where i wish lobbers had their own version of torchwood, maybe not specifically fire-based to set them appart, but still.

The half fire rate but double damage is secretly a downside. For example, if a zombie has 20 health left, both CP and peashooter can kill it in one hit, but the peashooter will recharge its next shot faster while the CP wasted half a shot on overkill. The fact that the CP can miss is also reduces its effective damage output. A peashooter can't miss as long as there are zombies in the lane, but if a zombie dies while a cabbage is mid-arc the shot is always wasted.

If cabbage was the only catapult you could unlock in early game, it would be more understandable, but it really doesn't take that long for you to unlock corn, which can actually be useful.

I still think cabage pult is a good and worth to use plant, mainly because of the plant food, you see, most lobber plant's plant food effect is firing out alot of projectiles and randomly falls around the map. This might be good if the plant has splash damage but a significant amount of projectiles can be missed and watsed. While cabagepult effect only shoot out enough prohectiles depend on the amount of targets on the map(include and obstacle that can block plants and can be destroyed such as: graves, octopus... ) but this mechanic allow the cabagepult never waste a projectiles while still does some good damage to both tanky single target or crowd of enemies

In many ways, it’s similar to PVZ1 Cactus. Basically a Peashooter that counters one super niche thing, but before long, you have another plant to counter the same thing. It’s outclassed by literally everything and you would only ever realistically use it for one stage. And yes, of _course_ Cactus got buffed in PVZ2. You don't need to reply with this fact.

I think Pulting plants would work nice with a damage bonus to zombies like seagull, where there's an obvious weak point that can be hit by them. Other zombies could be jetpack (on the jetpack itself), news paper (passing the paper), Weasel/chicken hoarder (killing them without releasing animals), and killing imps on gargantuars before they can throw them

OK there is one good use for cabbage-pult. It is added as a starting plant in lost city endless. It’ll help you deal with shovel zombies until you unlock better options.

I get your point, Cabbage is incredibly outclassed by so many other plants, which does make it basically useless when not in Egypt or Dark Ages. However, I believe the Most Useless Plant Award should go to Gold Leaf. So much potential, and such a waste.

Something that could have worked for cabbage pult and maybe some other plants is that they focus on high health zombies. If you gave cabbage a little more damage as well as focusing strong zombies it could be an interesting plant to work with. People use spikeweed to deal with weaker zombies so the damage dealers can focus the tankier zombies so this could provide a neat opposite niche.

Pepper-Pult may be terrible, but at least he had a purpose, which can be done better by other plants.

Cabbage-Pult in PvZ: Stronger damage output than normal Pea-Shooter at the same cost and cool down meaning it can kill Zombies and clear lines faster (assuming they aren't getting too close), also hits Door Shield Zombies as well as hitting Snorkel Zombies who are submerged, making you not have to possibly rely on Tangle Kelp and Fume Shrooms. The first plant you get on the roof meaning that it's the first line of real defense you have on the sloped surface, allowing you to not have to suffer from using Pea-Shooters or anything like that. Overall a really cool plant, and part of a really cool plant Trio of catapults, all of which have really interesting and powerful abilities (Kernel-Pult is able to butter Zombies and stop them in their tracks, and also become Cob Cannon. Melon-Pult over all is really useful and also has the Winter Melon upgrade which just makes it all the better.) . Cabbage-Pult in PvZ2: Same as PvZ1 for the most part, but no slanted levels means there's no real practical use for them outside of hitting zombies who may have something in front of them, but with Plant Food that's really not worth it as most other plants have some high damage output move when given Plant Food, such as the Pea-Shooter, or any other Pea-Shooter later in the game (ig the Plant Food for Cabbage-Pult hitting everything on screen for 200 damage is something but like, cmon...). The closer a Zombie is (namely like 2-3 tiles away) the longer it takes to kill it unless you have like 3 rows of them, making them entirely unreliable in these scenarios (It can be this way in PvZ1 as well, but I feel like that rarely happens unless you're really unlucky in your waves). Overall out classed by so many new plants that were introduced and doesn't get that much time to shine and is likely forgotten after some better plants are obtained.

If anything, Cabbage-Pult is basically just a Peashooter for Rooftops. I mean, in the first game, Cabbage-Pult was the first lobbed plant unlocked. His important role was to deal with the Roof’s slanted angles, which Peashooter can’t easily do unless it’s right at the top, just begging to be a sitting duck(weed).

What I’m frustrated by is how worse it looks compared to pvz1. Whereas Kernel pull looks nice in both

I think another issue with Cabbage-Pult is that there is quite literally never a reason to use it over Bloomerang. If there was a level that had like four graves in one lane, Cabbage-Pult might see some use there since zombies may get too close to Bloomerang before it can fight back, but in Ancient Egypt you'll generally only see one or two graves on one lane (sometimes three but that's rare, and even then one of them is usually far enough back the zombies in that lane start getting attacked quickly enough it doesn't make a difference).

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I think the issue doesn't really stem from cabbage-pult so much as the amount new lobber/piercing plants the dev team added. Back in PvZ1, Cabbage-pults were Peashooters of the roof. All other options had some downsides that made the choice to pick Cabbage meaningful (Kernel-pult deals less damage ; Melon-pult and Winter Melon cost too much for early game ; Fume-shroom is impractical to use in daytime). It even had extra uses that made it relevant in other worlds, like targeting hidden snorkels or shielded zombies. Too bad the design team didn't think this through for PvZ2. They added a slew of strong enough piercing plants like Bloomerang and Laser Bean, and better lobbers like Akee and Dusk Lobber. At the same time, the returning plants were buffed: Kernel-pult got more uses (like insta-killing some flying zombies) and the 50 then 75 sun meta made Melon-pult and fume-shroom more viable as early plants.

Another thing to note, if an imp is on the same tile as a grave, cabbage pull hits the grave instead.

The cabbagepult was designed to serve as a lobbing equivalent to the peashooter in roof levels. But roof levels dont exist in pvz2. So the only real benefit it has over a peashooter is its ability to clear gravestones, which can also be cleared instantly with the FREE grave buster plant.

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If it was more effective at dealing with airborne zombies or simply dealt like 10% more damage, It'd technically have a niche, But, like magnet shroom, it'd still be outclassed. If sloped worlds were still a thing it'd be just as good as it was in PvZ 1, A cheap alternative to melon pult that deals more reliable damage than kernal-pult. Edit: didn't remember what the corn one was called.

I feel like the purpose of Cabbage-Pult is that it is just one of the basic starter plants. Unlike PvZ 1, PvZ 2's selection of plants feels more "Journey Progressive" or feels like the type of game that has a better and more effective weapon/person/object than the last as you slowly go through the game. In PvZ 1, each plant has a special role to play in the game, they are all unique with different purposes. PvZ 2 however, is not the case, every time they introduce a new plant, it feels like the plant is a better and upgraded version of a previous plant, take Peashooter for example, there are so many other plants better than it, no less it's other counterparts. Once they introduced the new "Level System" to PvZ 2, there were already some plants that were...questionably better than others. After another month or so, I realized by then, PvZ 2's plant selection wasn't about strategy anymore, at least not really. Remember what I said about PvZ 1's plant selection? Every plant the game has is unique, has it's own purpose, and has no other plant that can do it better, or at least similarly. Yeah...just scrap that away from the PvZ 2 table, then you got PvZ 2.

I’ve only played PvZ1 around once or twice in an airplane or something several years ago, and yet I watched this video like I was studying for a test. Loved the clear explanation and general video style

It’s very useful in the first stages of egypt because it can hit the zombie even if there’s a grave in front of it. A peashooter can’t do that. But I dropped the cabbage pult once I got the boomerang plant because it can hit both the grave and the zombie

Ever since release I've questioned why cabbage pult exists in PvZ2, its ONLY use in PvZ1 is to lob over the roof tiles. But in PvZ2 there is no roof level? When PvZ2 first released it felt so cursed to be planting any of the lobbing plants at all because of the lack of slanted tiles. Kernel pult and melon pult at least have uses in stalling and crowd control respectively, but cabbage pult is like you said a worse peashooter. No, I don't count lobbing over graves as a 'use', I just see it as a bonus for a plant. Example, if you look at apple mortar do you think its use is to lob over graves?

I feel like it really does one thing well: it keeps the players in with nostalgia, and since its a later plant in pvz1, it gives the player a feeling that the game will be harder than the first, which may be a glaring issue for people who felt the first was too easy.

I don't even know anything about or play PvZ but this kind of videos is really fun to watch

I’m so glad I stumbled on this channel

I think you should make a video about plants who lost their use in the sequel. Plants who don't have a point in the sequel because their original purpose wasn't translated well. Cabbage-Pult was made as a roof Peashooter, but since that's not in the sequel they really had to stretch its purpose. And like you said it gets both outclassed by the default plant and multiple plants in the first world. I feel like its only purpose here is to be the defacto tutorial lobber.

cabbage pult could have a damage/speed scalling based on how far the project travelled it would be good at long distances and week at close distances, the reverse of peashooter straight shoot aproach, making both a great complement to each other it would be a great synergy.

another thing you have to consider for the DPS is that cabbage has high damage and slow ROF. That can often add up to a lot of overkill damage. If a zombie has 5 hp left and gets hit for 40 thats 35 wasted.

I always have used Cabbage Pult over Pea Shooter because of UPGRADES. Which, although a large amount of people abstain from upgrading their plants, are still a valid part of the argument. While Vanilla PvZ2's upgrades can be extremely unbalanced, they can be essential in the newer player's first playthrough. When upgraded, Cabbage Pult can absolutely lap Pea Shooter in damage, and since it is unlocked at an extremely early point in the game, you often have a lump sum of Cabbage Pult seed packets. Rant/ rebuttal over.

Randomly found this channel one day n damn, the content is insane with so much in depth. Thank you for your thoroughness and amazing quality. Stopped playing the game a while back n still go on n off but still find these incredibly interesting and fun

I love these newer styles of videos you’re doing. Keep this up!

Finally, It's here! Now I'm curious about how you would fix Cabbage Pult...

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Some information you might be interested in is that the pvz 2 wiki says that peashooter and cabbage-pull have the same dps due to the cabbage-pull having half the fire rate and double the damage.

I still pretty much use cabbage pults for it's damage with other AOE damage dealing plants as a mix usage in every world because using one single meta in all the levels feels too boring.

Even in the original game cabbage-pult was only really useful due to the roof slope. Sure lobbers had uses like going over shields and hitting snorkels but kernel pult does the same while also stalling, and once you get melon pult you'd never use cabbage again, just kernel and melon.

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Happy I clicked on this Video I haven't played PvZ2 in ages but it's got a special place for me. I remember everytime I redownloaded the game the moment Kernel-Pult or even Bloomerang was unlocked I'd stop using Cabbage-Pult 🔥😂

Yeah, I used this plant back when I was a fan of the PVZ franchise. It's flawed, for sure. Though the only reason I still used it is because, well, I didn't know it was considered 'not good' in-battle. So I went and used it. In PVZ1, I would pair it up with Kernel-Pult and Melon-Pult/Wintermelon-Pult since I thought it was a good strategy to have it as a back-up plant, thinking it would do extra damage to some zombies. I went along with it and it worked! Sometimes. There were some times where I struggled when using cabbage-pult in PVZ2. Nonetheless, I still pushed through regardless of it being 'pointless'. So what do I think of it? Meh, it's alright. It's not the best lobbing-plant in-game but it isn't the worse either. Though, I do agree with your points. This is just my perspective of using cabbage-pult at a young age.

I always use cabbage-pult and this hurts my pride but this guy is right it doesn't work in pvz2

Idk if pvz2 is the same but in pvz1 it shoots past newspaper and screen door zombies which is an added bonus for cabbage pult unlike peashooter

i love finding breakdowns of random, specific aspects of games i know nothing about. do i know anything about plants vs zombies? other than i played it on my cousin's ipad once as a kid, no. was i captivated by this the entire time? absolutely

The reason plants have a varied fire rate is so that there will be variation in the way the projectiles look when you have a bunch of plants and it won’t be the exact same pattern every time they shoot

You should make a video on Kernel-pult also, since it has the same struggles as cabbage, with a little more usability

cabbage-pult during pvz: I defeat big zombie while my entire family dies and i carry every plant. cabbage-pult during pvz2: pls protec me bucket zombie scary boy!!11!!

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In all the years Ive played this game, its mods and penny's pursuit, I think Ive used it less than 20 times. It just didnt deal enough damage to deal with big crowds even when leveled up.

I think that pea shooter is better overall but cabbage pult is very useful for graves in ancient Egypt because bloomrang has a weaker hit rate unless I’m incorrect about that and grave buster being slower recharge time which means the graves could be a problem. But yeah overall cabbage pult is pretty weak. I think it might help to give him some splash damage but ultimately he does get outclassed pretty quickly especially once you get melon pult.

I genuinely prefer Cabbagepult to Peashooter literally just because of the animation. I love that lobbing spectacle!

Few things I can think of to make the cabage useful is to either give it an op leaf ability or buff it's damage and add more enemies with front facing shields that can be dispatched faster by hitting them directly with lobbing weapons. Lastly add splash damage, small radius and 50% or 25% splash damage for an early cheap splash damage plant

Great video! I always felt something was just... off about cabbage. Also no one gonna talk about sun pod at 10:09.

I want to put out that I will always pick cabbage over peashooter. In early world completions within the versions with keys (ex. Bbw with only plants up to iceburg lettuce going in) it is what got me through the early levels. The huge this with it is actually to do with plant food. Once you can replace it yeah, you do, but it's far better than peashooter imo simply because of its ability to go over graves and its plant food.

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even corn gets his place after you get it, the butter attack is so much better

Wish there was a Torchwood for lobbing plants. Something to do with frost, maybe! (and if you're gonna argue "there's already Winter Melon for a freezing lobber!", consider they still added Fire Peashooter when Torchwood is a plant they had to bring over.)

I like how the kettle corn is functionally a direct upgrade

I’ve watched this video 5+ times now and I don’t even know why. I get the knowledge and I expect everything said to be said but I keep watching it when it pops into my recommended

At least in PvZ 1, cabbagepult was good against the screen door zombies and others that carried a barrier. It wasn't better than kernelpult, which stunned often enough to be useful even if its base damage wasn't as good, but that was its use-case. Aside from being a version of peashooter that worked on the roof.

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I think that it has salvation, it's just hidden. I am pretty interested on the ability to not only cross targets, but also damage them faster from far away, if i was a pz2 developer, i think ill make cabage-pult a plant that could ramp up damage the farther the target is, making it a plant that has some uses, more than the usual skipping tombstones bit, expanding on what it already has, instead of what it does not. Also great video, and congrats on 15k

The only reason people use cabbage pult is to attack over graves

Looking at the bright side, Cabbage pult is like slow Peashooter but serves a bit purpose that prioritizes shooting zombies from the barriers like graves, but other lobber plants just outdo cabbage pult. Also in Ancient Egypt, they have Grave buster with 0 cost so we have more reason to pick other plants.

Also another thing about cabbage vs peashooter is that shots from peashooter will still travel straight to the next zombie when the original one dies so they're not wasted when fired excessively unlike cabbage where the shots will simply hit the ground unless another zombie happens to be nearby.

I've always thought Peashooter was better than Cabbage-Pult, with his Plant Food being the main reason. Also he's definitely useful for lobbing over graves given Bloomerang costs 75 more sun (and if you think that's a bad reason, then just look at the people who think Iceberg is better than Stunion because he's free). But then again, Grave Buster... yeah I'll give you that one. Also I still prefer him over Kernel-Pult, because while Cabbage has slightly less DPS than Peashooter, Kernel-Pult has DRAMATICALLY less DPS unless you get super lucky with butter. Sure using multiple Kernels in one lane makes them a lot better but most of the time I'd rather just use a different attacking plant in place. Also, Cabbage's plant food can reliably kill groups of weak zombies given it at least guarantees a hit on every single one, unlike Melon-Pult and AKEE (Kernel's does too, but Cabbage's does 5 times more damage). Furthermore he is quite useful for countering Barrel Rollers as Kernel's butter stun is actually somewhat of a disadvantage since it means he might get overtaken by other zombies, so he'll get hit less and may sneak through later on, which is dangerous if using close ranged plants (but then again there's still better options like Bloomerang). Also also, Blooming Heart is more useless.

The thing i like about cabbage-pult is the power up it has when you give it the plant food. It targets all of the zombies in the field so it makes it easy to deal with big waves quickly

cabbage pult: the 'i am waiting for my pea shooter to recharge and i need to plant something' plant

If cabbage gets a buff in the future (e.g. fire rate, plant food scales with levels), it would be more used and be better. If I had to change cabbage pult, these are the changes I would do: 1. Increase its fire rate from 2.85-3s to 2.35-2.5s. 2. Big cabbages would always deal 5x the damage of the regular cabage, even with levels. a. Big cabbages could probably shoot a second wave on level 3+ (more waves every 3 levels). 3. Splash damage to all the zombies on a 1x1 tile area (splash damage being half of the regular cabage. a. Maybe at level 6+, every 10 cababges could shoot straight with more splash damage (base 20 to base 30). i. At max level, ever 2nd cabbage will be shot straight, also it can Peirce up to 10 zombies. 4. Increase the accuracy, so it can hit faster enemies better. 5. More HP; it's a cabbage, a hard leafy plant that takes more effort to cut than lettuce. Base Hp increase is 300 to 750. a. It could probably get synergy with cold plants, being harder to get eaten, because frozen cababges are almost impossible to cut. i. The health increase with cold plants is +75%. ii. This only works if there is a cold plant on the lawn.

Another plant review idea: Go over the stats of all the sunproducers (sun flower, twin sun, primal sun, sunshroom and moonflower) and go over which are better in certain situations and which is "the best". It'd be interesting cause, honestly I don't see much purpose in using other sun producers other than sunshroom and moonflower. I use sunshroom when I'm not using shadow plants, cause moonflower has a slower recharge though it does produce overall the most sun out of all of them. A lot of people prefer either sunshroom or primal sun, so it'd be interesting to see the objective stats (Though I do have an "interesting" strat of my own when I'll use two sunproducers, either sunshroom + sunflower or sunshroom + moonflower. I believe this gives you a bit more overall sun in the early game cause of the make up of recharge. It also helps as an additionally "wall" for the zombies to eat through. Idk maybe I could be a complete dumbass cause I haven't seen anyone else use this strat)

I like to use it for Egypt levels with a ton of Graves or the grave spawner zombies cause it'll target them over the Graves which a peashooter cant

Cabbage pult will only be used if there's a world that has a landscape like the PVZ1 Rooftop. But then again, even if PVZ2 comes up with that world, we already have built high level enough experience and melon pults to just go straight melon or wintermelon pult.

I only used cabbage-pult and found him useful in ancient Egypt since he can shoot over gravestones while peashooter has to break every tombstone in front of him to get to a zombie if you don’t have a grave buster or there are more important graves to break cabbage-pult was actually useful but I don’t remember him being too useful after that

I only played PvZ 1, never any of the sequel stuff. So I was confused why people would dislike it. But knowing it was used in a setting without roof levels makes it clear. Just a case of a plant designed for a certain level type not being removed when that level type was removed too.

Cabbage-pult is the only plant to have its firing rate increase through leveling up cabbage-pult fans

*[Sees title and thumbnail]* But it is capable of prioritizing zombies over graves... *[Watches video]* Oh...fair point...

i think the time variance between shots is there because having all the plants shooting at the exact same time would be weird to look at.

One things not mentioned in the Peashooter comparision: lower damage instances with the same DPS is also generally better. You are less likely to overkill enemies by a lot, which can add up depending on the breakpoints on different enemies (which I don't know). Other games counteract this with armour often being more effective against a lot of small attacks, but I don'tthink PvZ has that?

I also used cabbage pult in some of the frostbite caves levels to avoid having to shoot at frozen plants, because proximity to snapdragon/pepperpult or the hot potato will take care of it fast enough. Sometimes it's good to have a cheap attacker

Even in a meme build, it can't do anything. I can't believe i said this, but even Garlic has a gimmick and synergy with other plants

I wish cabbagepult had splash damage at least when leveled up so it wouldn't break early game

Cabbage-pult still has one purpose, and it’s for the nostalgia. I was a little surprised you didn’t mention it in the vid, but to me cabbage pult is one of the first plants I think of when I think “plants v. Zombies.” It’s kind of iconic in its own little way. But even then I think of peashooter first, so oof, I guess it’s even outclassed in that regard.

I use cabbage pult and it works well. Useful for the Egypt map, and it’s power up is pretty good.

Honestly I think they should give the CP a buff, since cabbages are full of water, why not make it take out fire tiles & extinguish fire zombies.

Damn I’ve been running him for ages and I had no idea the community hated this plant😂 I always run him for his plant food effect which I thought was pretty good

I remember playing pvz 2 when it came out man this game advanced so much

The fact I was using them while playing about an hour ago and got recommended this of things really says the universe is against it! Didn’t know pea shooter was better, I think I’ll retire cabbage pult now. The cob version however is still on the team for it’s butter

All the more reason to love him, he's really conscious about the whole situation

I loved when cabbage pult said it's cabaggin time and cabbeged all over the zombies

I remember in PvZ 1 I completely moved from Peashooter to Cabbagepult even after the rooftop level because it had the same stats but with some advantages, like being able to bypass some zombies' shields or attacking the snorkels while they moved. I guess things didn't go so well for it in the second game.

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