So, no voodoo science for you? LOL

"scientifically, " - please give journal citation.

I took part in a double blind listing test about 6 years ago, where I was able to pick the cables on lifters at a rate well over chance. And so did quite a few other participants. The differences I heard were all in aspects like: soundstage size, depth, the musicians place within the soundstage, and other things related to spatial cues. The recordings I was able to hear the differences on, were of the type where all the musicians were playing at the same time, in the same acoustic space, where the recording engineer took good efforts to capture the natural ambience and spatial cues of the musical event. In other words, classical recordings. With rock and pop studio recordings, I could not hear any differences.

@@pandstar Citation, and test description please.

I’m still on the fence about the same track on the same cd on the same system sounds different every time.

🤣

Now that has to be the best use for cable risers that i've ever read.

because your system doesnt have the resolution

@@SantanKGhey1234 m How would you know that? Have you listened to his system? What any person hears is very subjective.

Easier to clean under the cables, now that makes sense.

😂😂😂

If you ever spent more than 10.00 for an 2meter AC cord, they GOT YOU. Cable risers? GTFOH!!!

Talk about “FLOOR NOISE”, I don’t think that’s what they meant!!!😂😂 But a bunch of idiots fell for it, to the point to the part where they lift cables off the floor with stupid shit. DO YOU ACTUALLY think or believe that the cable KNOWS it’s at a different elevation? How does it know the floor from the ceiling? Or the WALL? GTFOH

It's not that crazy if you think about it. If speaker cables aren't shielded and you run them along a large flat surface then you're going to experience differences with the cables grounding and inductive properties.

@@SimplestUsername Might as well give it up man , you can’t talk to closed minds.

I understand this level of sarcasm. Fun to poke the box, right? However, you're not helping move things forward, and you're doing this at the expense of others. Perhaps a more productive discourse might be to say you don't get it, you haven't heard a difference - and in fact, you have never even tried it. Why because it's too silly and outside your realm to do so. That's absolutely ok. But do give some space for others. You might not have the kind of system where this would matter. Or, you do, and the small change isn't worth the hassle. That's legit and possibly helpful to others on this forum.

@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Paul, you know as well as I do that there are uncountable opinions in any area --- cars, movies, stamp collecting, wherever and whatever. You have yours, I have mine, others have theirs, and this is one place where we express them, isn't it?

@@spacemissing Yup. Absolutely, and I encourage it. I just want to make sure opinions expressed are civil and informed. When someone writes that something does not work or has no effect and has never taken the time to actually try it under the right conditions, then I think it is incumbent on all of us to point that out. Why? Because we all tend to take a person at their word. Over time that word can become gospel. Let's just make sure the gospel of opinions expressed is a real opinion based on experience. If you taste something and don't like it that opinion is extremely valuable. If you read a book and don't agree with it, that too is valuable. If you express an opinion on that book but have never read it, that's what I am trying to curb.

I'm sure it is..

"we often feel we can hear it, even it’s not real." - which raises the question of what is "real" when it comes to human perception.

Please don't drink Red Bull.

Have you ever done a blind A B test with red bull and monster energy?

@@TheDanEdwards The human brain has great imaginary powers. People of every religion believe their particular religion is the true one and that they can talk in their prayers and inner thoughts to their particular God.

@@maxcavalera8434 LOL

3 inches of dust covering all the cables on the floor protects them from the Ozone..👍🤗😎

When you can see or easily access your cables your room is awful

@Harald Reindl Yes, you're right! It's awful but dust free! 😹

@@DIY-valvular you don't get the point: cables belong into walls and floor - when I can see a single cable in my living room I start to puke

@@Harald_Reindl LOL! Invite us over. We could all use a good laugh, or do you do tours? (Bring your own barfbags.)

Very very True.

Unless all surfaces are pure Ag, as silver oxide IS conductive, unlike Cu oxides. Plating with gold, rhodium, et al is marginally helpful, but these more inert metals are less conductive.@@Watcher4111

but first soak yourself in tomato juice every night and never wash it off -otherwise you ruin the effect.

Depends on how big your coffin is.

Why not? They do massage Kobe cows. LOL

Cute

until you listen while elevated by a helium-filled balloon, your system is flawed. you might find methane easily available & on occasion more exciting.

@@CoolJay77 For the money they charge they better do more than that!

it helps to hang oneself on silk threads. Otherwise you've wasted all that money on gear.

Wait, if you didn't do any experiments, and you're saying only experiments can determine veracity, then how can you have any opinion one way or the other?

@@xxxYYZxxx re read, process and think

@@StephenBrennanGuitar I re-read it and you clearly stated "oh that never happened", indicating the entire process you described never happened. My English comprehension is quite stellar.

Whom do you think I'm referring to when I say it never happened?

Blindfolded tests should be useful if done objectively and fairly and all the parameters are disclosed. Lifting cables off the floor sounds like the step you take after all the other more important ones have been addressed. To me, the 1st item that makes for a lousy listening experience is a poor recording. Maybe AI will solve that problem.

I’m using plastic cups as well, things do sound ever so slightly different. I’ll try them for a month and remove them to see if there’s a difference. 🤫

try using McDonald burgers between your legs. They are great for calming down excess inductance which is a big problem.

isit ok to use cotton?

Do they make cable lifters too? I'd be surprised if they did.

I make my own cable lifters. I've tried many different materials and came to the conclusion that blocks of ice yield the best results. Granted it can be a bit of a hassle in summer time, but the difference is very noticeable. Try it.

@@Frankonero12 You're right. Especially when playing the song "Icicle" by Tori Amos 😊😉🤣

@@Frankonero12 a tall pile of cow patties works wonders, 2 per side min.

the risers are all wrong. you should use African Macassar ebony 12 x 8 inches at least .

That's the only thing that makes sense

The idea is grounded in science. Engineers understand that underground power lines have a higher total capacitance than overhead wires, due to being closer to other wires and closer to ground. Same applies to speaker wire - you lower the capacitance by raising them. Whether it provides a benefit to sound quality is up for debate and perhaps subjective. Makes sense that it could though.

Yeah umm no they don’t. I challenge anyone on this planet to pick out the difference blind. Apart from the fact that with enough testing a lucky guess is bound to occur every once in a while, not one person on this planet can pick something like this out consistently. You’re no exception. Sorry

@@shannonmiller5648 already did it. You would be opening your wallet. Don't let basis control your life without verifying.

Only after brain damage

@@badd99 Oh it’s already been verified. I’ve verified many of these snake oil claims being complete BS time and time again over the years. You’re talking about something that’s not within the limits of human hearing and that’s exactly why you people that advocate the use of this gimmicky crap never have any science to back your claims. It’s always some nonsensical garbage like, oh it makes an audible difference, I can’t tell you why or how it makes a difference but it does and I can hear it even if you can’t 🤣. Sorry but that just doesn’t cut it sir. It’s BS is what it is. You are hereby formally invited to prove your claims. Which you undoubtedly can’t I’m sure. Enjoy your system that would sound EXACTLY THE SAME with or without your lifters. I’ll do the same. I’m so thankful to be able to enjoy music and gear without getting hung up on magic cables and lifters and all this other ridiculous nonsense. I don’t know how people like you can ever actually just enjoy listening to a good system when you’re so hung up on what else can be done to improve it. So hung up that you actually start believing stuff like this makes an audible difference. It’s gotta be a form of insanity for real.

I have used plastic cups as well, but found that the colors must be arranged according to the rainbow. Also, they are directional from the amp to the speakers. Otherwise the sound is very thin.

you need to do it a few times every day to make sure there is no placebo effect.

what are talking about? speak english!

Consider yourself lucky you are “lacking”😀😀😀👍😎 You will sleep better with less stress in your life.😀😀

At $16, 249.00 + tax (for one amp.) that looks like one heck of an uncomfortable chair, LOL!

Good, that's what the audio world is about. *personal preference.*

​@@Mark-lq3sb he didn't hear the difference because there isn't one to hear, and if he did then it has nothing to do with preferences and everything to do with imagined psychological placebo effects and confirmation bias. Anyone claiming that they can hear the difference in the same system with the speaker wires on the floor vs. suspended a few inches off the floor is a fool or mentally ill.

@@Solus793 ..and you know this to be a fact because........

You are overthinking this.

Pure nonsense

@@Harald_Reindl please explain your comment with facts

@@CoolJay77 maybe I am and maybe I’m not. Also explain why I’m wrong

@@philipketchum1407 it's hardly my job doing technical basic education for you - are there no public schools where you live?

a 2 x 4 attracts bad infra red signals.... use under each cable and interconnect a short piece of wet dish rag instead. you will be shocked at the improvement.

😂😂😂😂

Still the same problem...............

Different heights have different effects, but when you get too close to the neighbour's floor, you will need cable droppers, not risers. The science is not exact at this time, MARK my words...

😂😂😂

dont use elevators. take the stairs. your thighs will thank you.

@@rd264 No, don’t put the cables around your feet, that is a very slippery solution 😂 Your hips will not thank you… 🤕

A couple of youtube videos from last year about electricity and wires might provide a possible physical mechanism for cable lifters: “The Big Misconception About Electricity” and “How Electricity Actually Works”. The first one introduces the strangeness and where the common water-pipe model for electricity and wires might let you down. The second one is a followup video attempting to address the explosion of messages generated from the first video from people whose model was broken. 😝

would be interesting to vary some parameters: do eg coax or Kimber Cables react the same way as telluriums with spaced out conductors do? Kimbers should have much less interaction with magnetically lossy materials such as steel inside the concrete. would cotton braided cables be less sensitive because they might be less susceptible to any triboelectric effect against a carpeted vibrating floor? I find it is ridiculous to use a certain misinterpreted picture of “Science” to claim there can only be exactly zero influence: there are some aspects of physics that are or were not understood for long time such as mass: why do 2 masses exert an attractive force between them? we know it exists amongst planets or a sun and planets, things and a planet (gravity) but one could argue there is no such thing as an attractive force between Peter and Paul because there is “no evidence”, tho txtbook physics says there is, textbook physics however can not at all explain the effect, it can only describe it, but without understanding the mechanism behind gravity one could claim Peter and Paul are exemptions of gravity since it is not evident and measurements are inaccurate and not executed in double blind studies.. The discovery of the Higgs Boson btw changes that to some extent, and so we see that real science is a very different thing and should never be confused with textbook physics as it aims at properly measuring suggested effects even if they are of tiny magnitude, and tries to use existing or establish new theories to describe them, and to integrate this into the “scientific building”. So it can never be textbook physics that can prove the inexistance of a tiny effect, many properly executed measurements however might lead to some clarity.

@@SteveWille I'll check it out. Thanks @

@@pcm9969 Hopefully you can find them; I tried to post links but messages with links seem to be silently deleted. The videos are on the Veritasium youtube channel.

PS? BS!

What are your "good results"?

I am also extremely interested to hear the details of these results, these spacers and MDF blocks must have some kind of magical properties.

​@@IliyaOsnovikovwhat changed was the tonal rendering. The 3d reproduction in the sound was better. But to be honest they weren't big changes, more the dots on the I

​@@Solus793the bloks that I use are not bigger than 5x2x2 cm

For once I agree with somebody about AQ being the worst.

I would never buy Audioquest cables, slap a battery on that cable🤣

I think you are a bit confused but thag might actually be part of the explanation.

It's more likely to make a difference at extreme high frequencies and yet in all my experience in TV servicing I never saw the TV reception from the antenna outlet effected by placing 75 ohm unbalanced coax cable or balanced unshielded 300 ohm ribbon cable near the floor !! Never made any difference !! Just more audio foolery designed to put doubt in peoples minds in order to get them to spend more on rubbish that doesn't benefit them !!

I have a pair and have compared them to my current Silversmith audio at three times the price. The Kimber's are VERY good for the money.

I'm tired of people using the term "scientific" without a shred of empirical evidence. I'll bet you $1000 you couldn't hear me literally chewing on the cable from your listening spot.

@@theformerbuttler We can bet! A guy once told me that I couldn't tell if a wine is decanted or not. After more than 5 blind trials and always knowing the 5 decanted wines he kept quiet. So keep your false beliefs to yourself, I don't care. What proof do you want? Even with lots of evidence, you would say the difference is due to placebo.

If the shielding was grounded and the cable fed from a high impedance source then the capacitance that the shielding introduced would cause a low pass filter effect BUT the output of a power amplifier is a low impredance source.

@@stevesmyth4982 I see, I didn't realize there was a correlation between shielding and capacitance. I'm quite a novice when it comes to electrical engineering. After a quick Google search I found this, _"shielding vastly increases capacitance. Because of the huge increase in capacitance when shielded wire is used, the capacitive lag caused by using shielded wire can corrupt the intended signals."_ I imagine _"lag"_ means the siginal is slowed. If that's the case, the cable would likely have similar attributes to a *much* longer cable meaning a more pronounced phase shift between lower and higher frequencies.

@Cody Jacques I think the lag you read about is what's introduced by a reactive load where the voltage and current become out of phase. If you find the wiki article titled Leading and lagging current it will explain but it's not simple. Screened cable has a certain amount of capacitance and inductance per metre dependent on the construction of the cable so a thin screened cable would be good for audio frequencies but not radio frequencies because of the losses caused by capacitance.

is it ok to keep your ear close to the ground whilst shaking the cables?

Including the need to tell people they hear improvements that they CAN’T. 😁

psychology

@@TECHNICKER_CzYes, it’s all in our brain. If there was anything to this, it would be easy to prove it by a simple null test to identify the differential signal and judge if it’s audible. The engineers at PS Audio can easily do this. Let them debunk this myth.

@@TECHNICKER_Cz This is subtle enough that it could be. But the little chunks of wood will stay under my cables because real or imagined, I like the sound my brain perceives.

@@user-od9iz9cv1w what if u measured ur system with, and without risers, then u would see the difference

@@CVLova Perhaps. I am not sure what one would measure. Distortion? Wouldn't it be miniscule compared to driver distortion? I think a lot of changes we hear are so small that it gets lost in any of the typical measurements. Our hearing evolved to determine where the lion is in the cave measuring miniscule timing and phase info. Dogs can smell disease long before doctors diagnose it. There is something there that they can detect, but we fail to build a machine to match their naturally evolved senses.