Caller Stumps Dave Rubin At Live Show

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5 жыл бұрын

In this Majority Report clip hosted today by Michael Brooks, quality content from Dave Rubin's recent show in Nebraska.
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"f you are in any way representative of the typical Current Affairs reader, your eyes are probably getting ready to roll dramatically backwards at the sight of the words “genius” and “Rubin” in the same sentence. Certainly, Dave Rubin-host of popular KZfaq channel the Rubin Report, and a key figure in the so-called “intellectual dark web”may not come across as a brilliant political mind... He proudly labels himself a “classical liberal,” but when interviewed at length, he fails to clearly articulate any actual policy beliefs. He has struggled to defend his politics against such hardball interviewers as Joe Rogan, a man who usually absorbs the bad opinions of his guests like a bread roll soaking up soup. In general, he seems a sort of bland, bumbling figure, who somehow stumbled his way into an 800,000-subscriber KZfaq channel. But look beyond the vacant eyes and the vague truisms. Rubin knows what he’s doing. And, judging by the state of the discourse, he’s doing it pretty well."*
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@JohnnySplendid 5 жыл бұрын

God this is SO fucking good. Nice job, Nebraska comrade.

@Jeeyo12345 5 жыл бұрын

my two favorite sounds: 1. the sound of the word 'ideas' in a dave rubin impression 2. michael's laugh everytime dave rubin is brought up

@renoloverxoxo 5 жыл бұрын

Michael losing his shit at Dave Rubin or Meghan McCain saying something stupid is my sexuality.

@darkrider962 5 жыл бұрын

I'm convinced that Dave Rubin checks under his bed every night for Michael Brooks

@vVvExodusvVv 5 жыл бұрын

John from Nebraska is about 50 years younger than I thought he was.

@narutofmx 5 жыл бұрын

Deep voice man, should voice a film Noir style documentary, about Dive Rubin called: ideas!

@mmeditatio 5 жыл бұрын

MDE already did that with Ideas Man.

@paulandersen190 5 жыл бұрын

This is one of the all-time best calls.

@paulandersen190 5 жыл бұрын

@@TWENTYFO5 I'm gay. Have fun with whoever catfished you, tweenfifo

@highverbaliq1785 5 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOOOO Jesus left wingers are fucking retards

@brandon8045 4 жыл бұрын

Probably my favourite clip of Michael ever lmao, RIP my man the world’s a lot worse off without you

@brandon8045 4 жыл бұрын

breakPRISM atShell nah I don’t think so tbh. He does mention that he hopes its true so he’s not taking the guy completely at his word. Did they ever fully verify this story btw??

@brandon8045 4 жыл бұрын

breakPRISM atShell wow I looked through the comments, it was Ghoul?? I’m sure I’ve heard of that guy before, what a massive scumbag. Still though, I think the call backfired because in the scope of things it doesn’t really prove anything other than allow the fash to pat themselves on the back for getting such a totally pathetic and counterproductive troll on a guy who was on a whole other level from them. Plus Michael’s reaction is still incredible real or not!

@thomasbenau2810 3 жыл бұрын

Sam and Dave and mike and the caller are all idiots. The thing that separates them is a RULER. Get it?

@hannah3146 3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasbenau2810 how did he die?

@thomasbenau2810 3 жыл бұрын

Hannah Benard I don’t know.

@futurestoryteller 5 жыл бұрын

This guy should have his own radio show because he sounds like he should be boring you to sleep, but something about his pace, and other aspects of his personality make it endlessly entertaining to listen to.

@KNIGHTMAREMANIAC 5 жыл бұрын

He used to, but you probably wouldn't have liked it.

@borzoiboskovic529 5 жыл бұрын

The more I've listened to Dave Rubin the more I've come to understand his dialectic. First he counts on your stupidity. Then he counts on his own stupidity. Then he quotes platitudes. And after being struck with a blow like this to our amazement Dave Rubin will act the next day like nothing had happened except that he won the argument, rattling off the same nonsense as before. He really leaves me thunderstruck I don't know whether to be amazed at his fast talk or his talent for lying Gradually I've begun to hate Dave Rubin

@duduoson1306 5 жыл бұрын

He truly is jelly-like slime.

@TheKingOfJordan1 5 жыл бұрын

Insults run off him like water off a raincoat

@ot23234 5 жыл бұрын

I've heard he debates you as he cries out in ignorance.

@ot23234 5 жыл бұрын

At first I could not help but be amazed at how short a time it took this great evil power within Dave's show to create a certain opinion even where it meant totally falsifying profound desires and views which surely existed among the public. In a few days a ridiculous episode had become a significant state action, while conversely, at the same time, vital problems fell prey to public oblivion, or rather were simply filched from the memory and consciousness of the masses. Thus, in the course of a few weeks it was possible to conjure up names out of the void to be a guest on the show, to associate them with incredible hopes on the part of the broad public, even to give them popularity which the really great man often does not obtain his whole life long; names which a month before no one had even seen or heard of, while at the same time old and proved figures of political or other public life, though in the best of health, simply died as far as their fellow men were concerned, or were heaped with such vile insults that their names soon threatened to become the symbol of some definite act of infamy or villainy. We must study this vile technique of Rubin's of emptying garbage pails full of the vilest slanders and defamations from hundreds and hundreds of sources at once, suddenly and as if by magic, on the clean garments of honorable men, if we are fully to appreciate the entire menace represented by these scoundrels of the media.

@Uultraaaviolettt Ай бұрын

Not having a great night so I’m having a couple drinks and watching my favorite old MR clips. Rest in peace Michael, this video never fails to make me cackle.

@andrewa3441 Ай бұрын

Hope the night gets better comrade 🫡

@Greasyspleen 5 жыл бұрын

John should narrate my life.

@HappyHippieGaymer 5 жыл бұрын

Greasyspleen was just looking through to make sure nobody else said this before I commented... damn

@bjornyesterday2562 4 жыл бұрын

Rubin's gay because his boyfriend talked him into it. He really has no innate opinion on the subject

@Shlomo8561 3 жыл бұрын

He will become straight to own the libs

@scottvelez3154 3 жыл бұрын

@@Shlomo8561 milo already did that

@mikepeinovich8066 5 жыл бұрын

Great job John. I particularly liked how Rubin was stumped by the question about usurers and pornographers being able to run rampant.

@eXpLiiiSiT 5 жыл бұрын

luv u mike

@jimigutierrez6807 5 жыл бұрын

Ranch.

@Kitties_are_pretty 5 жыл бұрын

Mike Peinovich I used to think that when people mentioned your name they were trying to make fun of Mike Cernovich by making his last name a portmanteau of "penis" and "Cernovich". I only recently learned you're a totally different, much bigger piece of shit than him. Keep up the great work. Make sure to watch out for milkshakes though, it's a major occupational hazard for Nazi filth these days.

@zombievikinggaming4258 5 жыл бұрын

@@Kitties_are_pretty Your big line is to mention milkshakes? Oooh such a fierce revolutionary, you are so milquetoast.

@mosheshekelwitzki3816 5 жыл бұрын

More like mike penisbitch and jesse dumpster amirite

@andrewdeen1 5 жыл бұрын

my grandfather worked for the phone company, was the sole income earner in his household, and had a wife and 3 kids, owned a home with two stories and a basement and owned two cars. I can't even imagine that today.

@NJ-wb1cz 5 жыл бұрын

That's obviously because you're lazy and don't want to work for a phone company. iPhone assembly workers are basically millionaires now, everybody knows that!

@LReezy1992 5 жыл бұрын

That guy absolutely has to come on the show and at least just shoot the shit. That was a masterclass, kudos John from Nebraska.

@timothystevens5297 5 жыл бұрын

John is a smart guy, we need more of those kind of critiques, the old left/right dynamic needs to go.

@timothystevens5297 5 жыл бұрын

@steal threaded Yeah he must be one of those long haired hippy college professor neo nazis. They are everywhere you know

@alnullified1351 5 жыл бұрын

Right/Left still has value today, the problem is people not knowing what it means.

@ot23234 5 жыл бұрын

So like a 3rd position of some sort? Hmmm, fascinating.

@renoloverxoxo 5 жыл бұрын

Timothy Stevens from what a lot of commenters have been saying, the guy's handle is Ghoul and he used to do an alt right podcast. I haven't really watched any of their videos to compare the voice...

@SaintBehelit 4 жыл бұрын

This will always be my most treasured memory of Michael Brooks. Rest in power, brother.

@mikenedelcu3682 3 жыл бұрын

Love you Michael. I promise to dunk on Rubin for the rest of my life. Thank you Michael.

@timex1735 5 жыл бұрын

This was hilarious. I could watch people dunking on Rubin all day.

@leonard8766 3 жыл бұрын

I just have for two days dude 😂🤙

@olso4389 3 жыл бұрын

So glad this came up on my feed again, one of my favorite clips with Michael. RIP, he is so missed.

@SirOddnerd 4 жыл бұрын

Since he died I've come back to this video so many times. This is peak Michael and a great guest. RIP

@norvillerodgersspeaks 5 жыл бұрын

The caller with the golden voice.

@lollard 5 жыл бұрын

I really like that question: How can you tell the difference between a government that legalizes drugs because it cares about individual liberty and a government that legalizes drugs because they believe it'll make the populace more docile and susceptible to government control? FASCINATING question to ask a libertarian. Never thought of that myself, so kudos to the caller for thinking of it.

@andreww9511 5 жыл бұрын

So true. Such a shame that most of us seem blinded by this, considering Aldous Huxley warned us of a similar scenario 90 years ago.

@seanwhitaker484 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, this is how it should've been framed. The examples he used are not needed and aren't analogous situations though. If Rubin had a brain he would've caught it.

@ottz2506 3 жыл бұрын

Did anyone ever go into it further at all? That’d be an interesting discussion as someone who is pro drug legalisation.

@MrFuckoffdipshit 5 жыл бұрын

John the Caller is cool AF

@clockblocking4483 5 жыл бұрын

He’s ghoul from TRS

@Redfox-ro5qh 5 жыл бұрын

I think this is my favorite guest ever I don’t know why. His delivery cracks me up. He’s so embarrassed he even went to it. Never change dude. I love your reaction. “Take the wheel. King.”

@RobTheProspect 3 жыл бұрын

I just discovered Brooks about a week ago, and just found out today he's no longer with us. Brutal. Really enjoy his videos. A smart guy giving honest opinions with a good sense of humor. I hope that will be his legacy.

@SpicyDragoon 3 жыл бұрын

Keep watching! There's some real gems he's done over the years.

@csb9434 3 жыл бұрын

I also just started binging TMBS and Majority Report his after hearing about his passing. Had stumbled across him before but never really dove in. Really great stuff and a tragic loss.

@justatiger6268 5 жыл бұрын

Oh, don't mind me; I'm just here, again, rewatching this clip because I need a laugh or three after a hard day at the office.

@averagejoe455 5 жыл бұрын

Fuck. That's actually a really good question...

@milkmyduds 5 жыл бұрын

No, it's a fucking idiotic question being asked by a Neo-Nazi. In each scenario the government forced those things onto people. What sensible people want to do (not just libertarians) is to not cage people for doing them. The solution is simple, you don't have the government genocide it's own people using drugs, alcohol, and porn to pacify people. Fyi, the caller's name is Cooper Ward AKA Ghoul, a member of the Alt-Right.

@fatidicusaeternus6498 5 жыл бұрын

@@milkmyduds HAHAHAHAH

@averagejoe455 5 жыл бұрын

The only reason I think it's a good question is because the government abuses everything that it touches. If we do remove their grip of power on personal freedoms, who's to say that they won't just find a way to use it like a tool for control? They already do with everything else.

@haleyharding4732 5 жыл бұрын

Henry Hull Lol imagine being such a a stupid old boomer

@dylannroofsundayservice988 5 жыл бұрын

@Southern Poverty Cole Slaw Center We meet again, my hate speech monitoring rival. Put up your shekels! It's kaballah time.

@orangesandsalt2161 4 жыл бұрын

This callers voice is amazing 😉

@0612Crystal 5 жыл бұрын

John from Nebraska is the hero I didn't know I needed.

@totonow6955 3 жыл бұрын

I miss Michael so much.

@chadright4218 5 жыл бұрын

*People are reading "Culture of Critique"*

@cmbw4792 5 жыл бұрын

That book changed my life more significantly than anything else.

@jackruby6696 5 жыл бұрын

Those books are trash

@borzoiboskovic529 5 жыл бұрын

@@jackruby6696 when you read it what was the part you found the trashiest

@jackruby6696 5 жыл бұрын

It’s nazi propaganda that no professional takes serious. It’s written sloppy and has poor data

@fartsneed9464 5 жыл бұрын

@@jackruby6696 but it was written by a doctor who held a professorship at the university of California and has pages and pages of citations, can you point to any examples of poor scholarship?

@omez23 3 жыл бұрын

I love how Michael Brooks face just lights up with laughter when someone mentions Dave Rubin. I miss that guy, he was one of the best. Rest in power Mr. Brooks!

@bren7431 Жыл бұрын

Dave vs someone who reads is just unfair

@tomlebeau7921 5 жыл бұрын

This caller is great

@dinospumoni5611 5 жыл бұрын

This guy's speech is incredibly satisfying.

@marrrrry.elllllen 5 жыл бұрын

Also, please bring John back as a special guest. I'd watch full episodes of you guys debating/discussing IDEAS.

@kissmyass682 5 жыл бұрын

He used to do a podcast, look them up at The Right Stuff dot biz

@KilgoreTroutAsf 3 жыл бұрын

Best caller ever.

@estebancomulet 3 жыл бұрын

without question, my favourite ever MR clip.

@dibutler9151 3 жыл бұрын

I know him IRL. He's truly a legend.

@SirOddnerd 3 жыл бұрын

@@dibutler9151 Some of the comments suggest he's a former Nazi. Has he been deradicalized?

@idontcare8405 3 жыл бұрын

NodNerb Nope those are third positionist talking points he’s making. Fascist are left wing on economics and right wing on social issues. He’s pointing out the inherently flaws of libertarianism where it allows capitalists to promote destructive social liberalism to the population to uphold capitalism. The inverse of Horkheimer’s thesis is true. Capitalism promotes social liberalism to control the population. This is true empirically just look at Netflix promoting cuties despite it being incredibly unpopular or amazon funding drag queen story hour. Capitalism thrives on individualism and hedonism by hypersexualizing the populous and stripping them of religion and ethnic identity all the workers have left is eat work buy consume till you die. There’s a reason why every major victory in the realm of workers rights occurred prior to the 1960’s.

@o.3313 4 жыл бұрын

Best caller I’ve ever heard

@annuuuushka 5 жыл бұрын

How beautiful that people of polarized ideologies can come together to harmoniously mock David Rubin. Also, that's a great question! I don't know how one would answer that within libertarian parameters...

@robertstan298 5 жыл бұрын

@Anti-Federalist 1776 wat.jpg

@soconfused8031 5 жыл бұрын

Dave Rubin didn't understand a question, so he blamed the question. Now *that* is a man of great ideas!

@milkmyduds 5 жыл бұрын

To be fair to Dave it was a stupid question that was asked by a Neo-Nazi to justify state control over people's lives.

@soconfused8031 5 жыл бұрын

@@milkmyduds I think it was at least an interesting question about the nature of freedom in society, but was obviously beyond Rubin's understanding because he knows less than nothing about fuck all

@turninburninvernoniii5235 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve never been so f*cking excited to listen to Dave Rubin speak as I was when they found the clip...god I miss Michael so bad 😔

@matt2.019 5 жыл бұрын

Honestly fantastic caller. Cheers to this dude.

@nerolightspeed540 5 жыл бұрын

Incoming trolls: yOu ObSeSsEd wItH RuBiN

@BardianAngel 5 жыл бұрын

@Anti-Federalist 1776 please keep your larping to your mother's basement.

@dadwrestler 5 жыл бұрын

@Anti-Federalist 1776 you realize your definition of what a white person is isn't the same as the founding fathers right? Things change dummy, get out of your basement, take a shower, and go outside for once in your miserable life.

@steelstringd2018 3 жыл бұрын

Caller: Claims to not be a leftist. Also Caller: Polls well with leftists.

@cadene5498 4 жыл бұрын

When I heard the words "I found it.", I literally cheered.

@James-fh6oh 5 жыл бұрын

I recognize that voice anywhere. Good to hear it again mr. spooks

@darkrider962 2 жыл бұрын

Still laughing to this hilarious shit in 2022! God damn we miss you Michael! Your voice would be _very_ helpful in today's political climate!

@hrsdarwish306 5 жыл бұрын

Love how the back of Rubin's head was front and center. You can literally see the hamsters scrambling frantically in their wheels.

@estebancomulet Жыл бұрын

Arguably my all-time favourite MR clip. RIP Michael. And makes me miss Jamie too.

@acreativename2781 Жыл бұрын

What happened to Jamie btw?

@TheHaydonRamirez 4 жыл бұрын

god i miss michael, what a treasure he was

@patricklloyd1797 3 жыл бұрын

This video has always been a classic, RIP Michael Brooks. He'll be missed.

@marcusmalone 4 жыл бұрын

This awesome caller is what happens when 'competition kicks in'.

@OsefKincaid 3 жыл бұрын

The caller appears to be a nazi, for the record

@WadeWojcik 5 жыл бұрын

Now that’s a real battleground of ideas.

@HerAddiction444 5 жыл бұрын

Dave Rubin was SCRAMBLING for an idea just to try and answer the question 😂

@maxhorsford7800 3 жыл бұрын

Love this callers lack of emotion, and his deadpan delivery

@biggunfelix1 3 жыл бұрын

Hearing Michael's laugh makes me laugh along with him. But every now and then I pause and get this sick feeling. We lost such an amazing, charismatic, magnetic and funny intellectual, far too soon.

@KillstormSH 3 жыл бұрын

I don't usually get sad or emotional over people's deaths but Michael's death has actually made me feel incredibly sad.

@darkrider962 2 жыл бұрын

@@KillstormSH Same

@xizor1d 4 жыл бұрын

This shit is like Christmas for Mike. The pure joy he gets from this is hilarious and somehow heart warming.

@houngrysdigest1525 5 жыл бұрын

Have this guy call in again. He's entertaining.

@borzoiboskovic529 5 жыл бұрын

I'd listen to him if he had his own show

@milkmyduds 5 жыл бұрын

His name is Ghoul. He's a Neo-Nazi hence why half the commenters on here are Alt-Right and hence why he's equated porn with drugs and why he wants to ban both.

@fartsneed9464 5 жыл бұрын

@@milkmyduds Are you saying porn is morally good? Keep in mind 1) porn industry is shot thru with drug addiction 2) porn acts like a drug on your brain - lowers your testosterone and your ability to form healthy relationships 3) there is no porn industry without wholesale exploitation of women

@franksfrank 5 жыл бұрын

@@milkmyduds banning porn and drugs would be great. Is that a nazi position? Why arent there more nazis?

@DarkSideOfTheBrightSide 3 жыл бұрын

RIP MICHAEL BROOKS, had to come back & watch this again; he was so hilarious & brilliant breaking down Rave Dubin.

@ericsmith116 5 жыл бұрын

Never doubt the callers with the epic voices

@originoflogos 5 жыл бұрын

Every time I hear Dave Rubin say “ideas”, no matter the context, I feel a brain cell slowly oozes out of my skull.

@alexoffill2630 3 жыл бұрын

These clips are still gold, rip Michael

@lukelagopus 4 жыл бұрын

Micheal’s laugh IS Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker Laugh, change my mind

@michelangelothegreat6183 Жыл бұрын

I miss micheal brooks… fucking funny

@Shlomo8561 Жыл бұрын

we all do..... Z"L MB.

@kuzz4587 5 жыл бұрын

Little does John from Nebraska know that this phone call is pornography

@wileysells1019 3 жыл бұрын

THIS.

@CielBlanche 5 жыл бұрын

Dave's brain is still in recovery mode

@grapes9h5 5 жыл бұрын

John from Nebraska DESTROYS Dave Rubin

@mgmthegrand 4 жыл бұрын

Now THIS is a perfect call...

@bethannesperring872 3 жыл бұрын

Rip Michael Brooks

@ilyafoskin 3 жыл бұрын

He will be dearly missed

@GabrielTheMagolorMain 5 жыл бұрын

Man, I’d love to have John over for dinner, what a great conversation anyone could have with this guy. Call again John! 😊👏👏 Yes please fly him out! So glad you guys found the video. And someone needs to make a compilation of people asking Rubin about Sam 🙏

@gmn545 5 жыл бұрын

Michael Brooks' laugh is iconic.

@yafy.5158 5 жыл бұрын

The caller made my day!

@nosoapradio1665 5 жыл бұрын

I found your channel last night for the debate stream. Came back today & this was the first clip listed on your uploads. This caller talked about things I had never heard of before, and now I'm like several articles deep into wikipedia and totally fascinated. Subbed & I hope I can learn even more from your videos

@nosoapradio1665 5 жыл бұрын

@@whiteyonthemoon1193 idk what that is but I'm curious to see anything else the caller has said before. I've seen a lot of other pretty serious remarks here in the comments & i find it hard to believe that someone who seems so intelligent & appreciated by the hosts can be as bad as some are claiming :/

@nosoapradio1665 5 жыл бұрын

@@blakeb9964 absolutely

@haleyharding4732 5 жыл бұрын

No Soap Radio To discredit his ideas they attack him for being a big ebil white nationalist!

@MDM8998 3 жыл бұрын

"Go off, king" LOL....I caught that! "So far, so honest".... I love it🤣

@stephenpawlik2286 3 жыл бұрын

Sam better dunk on Dave every chance he can in Mike’s honor

@eoghan.5003 3 жыл бұрын

We need a "dunkin on dubin" machine with lots of buttons and when you press each one it plays a Michael impression of rave dubin

@fiddymen 5 жыл бұрын

Best caller 2019

@coladict 5 жыл бұрын

I'm downloading the Nebraska Q&A video now, before even watching it, just in case they take it down. I'll listen through for that question.

@alexlarsen6413 3 жыл бұрын

This dude is a total legend, and I miss Michael so damn much!!

@ericBorja520 3 жыл бұрын

That laugh, man. RIP Michael.

@dinobotpwnz 4 жыл бұрын

My mind is in recovery mode from the quality of this impression.

@soshtc8352 5 жыл бұрын

This might be the best call ever.

@Direksone 5 жыл бұрын

A Dave Rubin video? What a splendid start of the day.

@Ledvolta 3 жыл бұрын

Miss you, Michael. 🙏🏻❤️

@TheLowBrassDude 5 жыл бұрын

Best caller ever!

@jasonfifi 5 жыл бұрын

this caller absolutely rules.

@shermanbrennan794 5 жыл бұрын

"So cheesy it was condescending" that pretty much descibes every time conservatives try to reach out to humans

@YTmakesDumbUpdates 5 жыл бұрын

Liberals*

@JimmieABES 5 жыл бұрын

MonkeyBoy No

@YTmakesDumbUpdates 5 жыл бұрын

@@JimmieABES yes*

@MrGrowslikeatree 5 жыл бұрын

Sam should just show up for one of Rubin's "shows" and just sit in the back. Or someone could dress up into a Sam Seder disguise and do it.

@Man2quilla 3 жыл бұрын

Michael will live on forever in his unending laughter at Dave Rubin and his "ideas"

@machodan47 5 жыл бұрын

I’m not a religious person but if caller John started a religion I’d definitely take a pamphlet

@justatiger6268 5 жыл бұрын

Fuck that, I would actually read it!

@zombievikinggaming4258 4 жыл бұрын

Have you heard of the Third Way gospel sir? Anti-capitalist and Anti-communism.

@sidarthur8706 3 жыл бұрын

i'm glad i took the click bait. what a charismatic guy

@shell7957 3 жыл бұрын

RIP michael brooks.. missing that laugh!

@joshc6569 5 жыл бұрын

This guys voice. He could read novels for a living.

@gregoriogarcia8895 5 жыл бұрын

My grandfather had lots of properties and he passed away before 60. My father at my age had a fully paid house, several cars and 4 kids, and my mom never had to work. I have a much better education than my dad and better job positions but none of that has translated into a better outcome.

@cmack17 5 жыл бұрын

Better "job positions"?

@gregoriogarcia8895 5 жыл бұрын

@@cmack17 better as in higher paying jobs, comparing our job levels.

@gregoriogarcia8895 5 жыл бұрын

Darth Wheezius i went with the simple approach to avoid getting into a long answer, LOL. But you are surely correct, back in the good old days people had better relative incomes. The consumer price index has risen 45% in the last 20 years and real wages for the lower 90% have remained stagnant. So the purchasing power of the average person will continue to erode and the top 10% will get richer until something breaks.