Camera Sensor Neutral Density Filter // STC Optics ND better than HSS for Flash Photography?

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Rob Hall

Rob Hall

Күн бұрын

In this video I take a look at a product that represents the end of HSS in my workflow.
High speed sync has been a great tool for effortlessly getting past the sync speed limitation of my cameras. I've been using it for roughly 4 years now, and Hypersync before that. Removing the sync speed limitation gives you control of your aperture again outdoors, which is so important to creating the image you have in your head. But, HSS comes with a hefty price, power output. HSS will always be less efficient than standard sync, because HSS utilizes multiple pulses of light to hit the entire sensor during the narrow window of a fast shutter speed. In short, when using HSS your flash will be less bright, which is the last thing you need when you're trying to balance flash in a bright outdoor situation.
To get over this loss in power, most photographers utilize a strobe that is far more powerful than they would otherwise need. In my instance, I regularly use an AD400 Pro or AD600 Pro, just so I can compensate for the efficiency lost when using in HSS. Otherwise, I never need the output of these beastly strobes.
An alternative is using an ND filter on your lens. I never liked this, because when I was first interested in combining shallow depth of field (wide aperture / low f/stop) in bright outdoor situations, I was still using a dSLR. Putting a 6 stop ND filter on a dSLR makes it very difficult to focus. When your subjects are moving, and you as a photographer are moving, and you're chasing a shallow depth of field, reducing the quality of your autofocus may as well stop the session.
But, by switching to mirrorless the visual effect and focusing woes of using an ND filter are gone. The EVF compensates once you adjust your settings, and you see as if you have no ND filter on at all. Still, the idea of buying ND filters for all of my lenses sounds tedious and expensive.
I first saw the STC ND filter on a channel covering a photography expo. I instantly recognized that this was the best of both worlds. Now, I could have a single (or maybe 2) filters in my bag that would work with any of my lenses. Better still, they would be compatible with Ultra Wide Angle lenses that otherwise have no/poor filter options (like my Sony 12-24). And of course, I would finally be able to ditch HSS and get back to smaller flashes, which just makes my working life way easier.
I'm happy to report that the image quality and autoperformance is still fantastic even with this filter directly over your sensor. I see no difference in sharpness, minor differences in color, all while unleashing the full potential of my flash in some of the most challenging photography conditions.
For dSLR users. You can still use it, you just have to install it on while the mirror is flipped up (put it in live view)
My entire kit of gear : kit.co/robhallphoto STC Filters: stcoptics.com/en/clip_filter/ (I use ND64 6 stop but they have many more)
Godox AD600 Pro bit.ly/RHX600P
Godox AD200 bit.ly/RHX600P
EZ Lock Octa Softbox bit.ly/rhezocta
C Stand bit.ly/RHCStand
Sony A7R3 bit.ly/SA7R3RH
85mm 1.4 GM bit.ly/RH85mm14
Shout out to Francisco of FJHPhotography for hosting me in South Texas and helping with these videos!
Check out his KZfaq channel : / fjhphoto
Product Description : Made for the Canon (Full-Frame DSLR / APS-C DSLR), Nikon (Full-Frame DSLR), SONY (α7 series, α9 / E-mount APS-C MILC), Fujifilm (X-series APS-C MILC) and PENTAX (APS-C DSLR) camera bodies.
Specially designed Clip-shaped structure could be easily imbedded and firmly stabilized while attaching the lens on camera body. Therefore, the paralleled focal plane could ensure focusing performance clearly. The color shift issue that may occur due to the wide angle SLR lens in peripheral areas of the image also can be solved.
The material of Clip Filter is black anodized 304 stainless steel which is virtually non-magnetic and less brittle at low temperature. Various kinds of glasses can be replaced in the sophisticated frame, including Astro filter, infrared filter UV-IR CUT filter and ND filter. More creative images can be discovered by your photographer’s eye.

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@JordanEwert
@JordanEwert 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rob for this video! I was just having this issue the other day. I'm still rocking the three FlashPoint speedlights you recommended me a couple years back (no HSS) and quite enjoy the fact I can carry all in one bag. This small STC filter will definitely help me for outdoor shots without the need for buying bigger lights with HSS.
@paigecfrancis
@paigecfrancis 5 жыл бұрын
Had no idea the difference in power output on an ad200 from hss and shooting at sync speed. Amazing. Good vid
@ChuckJacksontampaphotographer
@ChuckJacksontampaphotographer 3 жыл бұрын
I invested in a pretty expensive variable ND system filter (2 to 8 stops) for my favorite 50-150mm/2.8 lens several years ago and use it quite a bit to achieve these effects. I hadn't looked into a sensor-mounted ND filter before - thanks for bringing this to my attention! Subscribed!
@jointspecialist
@jointspecialist 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks so much for this information Rob!
@jbnitpou9942
@jbnitpou9942 5 жыл бұрын
Hey dude. Many thanks for this video and all the informations you gave us. Great idea these filters really. Have a good day. JB
@jeffslapp313
@jeffslapp313 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! That is an awesome product worth trying.
@JulesMoyaert_photo
@JulesMoyaert_photo 5 жыл бұрын
Robert, I have already stated it but I want to reiterate it: YOU are GOOD! Thanks!
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
:) thank you Jules!
@stevenevosando8840
@stevenevosando8840 5 жыл бұрын
Just subscribed ! This video was totally worth it!! Nice work rob 🤙
@nashhall694
@nashhall694 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a landscape photographer getting into portraiture.Dude! Seriously! You just saved me thousands of $$$$$ on expensive & cumbersome lighting equipment! Thankyou! 🙏🥰😀👍cheers from Australia!
@ValidityJ
@ValidityJ 5 жыл бұрын
This is BRILLIANT! Thank you! I've been wanting to do long exposure landscapes but have shyed away from purchasing the 10 stop ND filters for my lenses. This would work great (as they go up to 10ND!!).
@backyardjunkie
@backyardjunkie 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, this was very interesting, thanks for following your instincts, I wouldn't have got this far. It's all about choice, everyone to their own, but if you don't got the knowledge, you can't make that choice, so thanks for the information. Excellent video.
@muturikanini9176
@muturikanini9176 Жыл бұрын
Thanks man..this is the most practical and best demonstrated video i have seen on the camera sensor filter..You really put some effort into it...from Nairobi,kenya.
@EliInfante
@EliInfante 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff Rob! I'm definitely going to look into this ND filter.
@ericterrill405
@ericterrill405 5 жыл бұрын
That’s a pretty amazing product! I never thought something like this would exist!
@kavish77
@kavish77 5 жыл бұрын
Dude you are a life save. Thanks for thissssss !!!!
@srb980
@srb980 5 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting. Thank you for the video.
@JaredRibic
@JaredRibic 5 жыл бұрын
LOVE THIS!! I just wish it were available for Canon EOS-M series so I could use it on my time-lapse cameras!
@JB_Hobbies
@JB_Hobbies 5 жыл бұрын
I have been worried about these types of filters running into the shutter, but you say this brand is solid, then I am happy to check them out.
@ryancooper3629
@ryancooper3629 5 жыл бұрын
For DSLRs they say to only use the camera in live view mode when it is installed. (aka mirror stays up) I imagine if the mirror comes down, you run into problems. Pretty risky imo. I wouldn't use one of these on any camera with a mirror.
@Innovate-pq9ci
@Innovate-pq9ci 5 жыл бұрын
GREAT video. Can't wait for the Fuji option to be available
@TomGibson7777TG
@TomGibson7777TG 5 жыл бұрын
3-6 ND screw on is fine
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomGibson7777TG variable ND filters that are worth a damn are significantly more money and still far more destructive to IQ. And still limited to a single thread size.
@TomGibson7777TG
@TomGibson7777TG 5 жыл бұрын
​ nope....breakthrough photography no color cast, I use step up ring but mostly use my Fuji 16-55 F2.8 which is a 77mm filter size, no loss of IQ....Actually never knew about these filters but see major problems with these when outside at the beach is where I need an ND....all are trade-offs. Thanks for the info
@annedouc
@annedouc 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! Nice filter! I will definitely look into it!!
@DeanAllman
@DeanAllman 5 жыл бұрын
I love the idea and can see the great possibilities. Nikon owners of a D850 or Z series will need to wait till they have approved those cameras. I’ll keep checking their website. Thanks for the heads up!
@MartinV.
@MartinV. 11 ай бұрын
awesome. can't wait to try this out!
@PhotoArtBrussels
@PhotoArtBrussels 5 жыл бұрын
Great info!! Thank you Robert! Thanks for sharing!!
@MrCROBosanceros
@MrCROBosanceros 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to see cameras with native ISO of 25 or even lower. I used to shot with Kodak Ektar 25 and Agfa Agfapan APX 25. Nikon D850's native ISO is 64. Much better but is there any reason for not giving us the option to choose lower ISO?
@vimalneha
@vimalneha 4 жыл бұрын
Man you know your work, thanks a lot for your great video.
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, so happy you enjoyed!
@edvanderveer4553
@edvanderveer4553 5 жыл бұрын
Hopefully they’re going to release a Fuji clip lens any time soon! Read on their website that they’re planning on releasing one :) Thanks for mentioning this product Robert 👍🏽
@vincecraig8367
@vincecraig8367 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I finally understand the difference between nd filter and hss.
@APPLECROFT7500
@APPLECROFT7500 5 жыл бұрын
Great info Robert, thank you..Just gone ahead with my purchase. I think the 6 stop ND will be used quite regularly...
@masilva0606
@masilva0606 5 жыл бұрын
Do you have any example images with this ND filter
@nycks1
@nycks1 4 жыл бұрын
@@masilva0606 Have you seen any images yet using these filters? If not I use them and can show you a few if you like :-)
@rosadoric615
@rosadoric615 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert. These look like a great option. Any reduction in image quality? Have you tried any other ND variants e.g. ND 32? We also shoot Sony and Godox so this could greatly reduce the amount of gear we cart around (depending on the aim of the shoot of course).
@wullieg7269
@wullieg7269 5 жыл бұрын
Everytime I use a polerizer,everytime I added red filter for B/W using film,5 stop?.
@kendrickcontent
@kendrickcontent 4 жыл бұрын
Ok I got a quick question if I use this while in aperture priority how would it affect my shutter speed & ios? Shooting at f1.8 in full sun.
@PAULFROCCHI
@PAULFROCCHI 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for videos Robert. In your opinion, is there any way the filter may dislodge from the mounting area with the camera taking any impact (say bouncing on your side as you walk quickly, etc)
@TobyAngel
@TobyAngel 4 жыл бұрын
I am curious about the issues related to hypersync. I've been using an ad200/ad360 along with a xpro trigger and r2 receivers. I use these receivers so i can go into what i think is a "hypersync" like mode by setting a flash delay on my transmitter of 2.3ms while in hss mode. The r2 receivers prevent the flashes from going into hss mode and as long as I keep the flashes on full power, I get no banding.
@toddmoore2132
@toddmoore2132 5 жыл бұрын
great video Robert H..very informative..
@JCNY718
@JCNY718 5 жыл бұрын
Do these filters work exclusively with mirror less cameras? (Sorry if this was mentioned in the video I must have missed it)
@ReelLightPictures
@ReelLightPictures 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for taking the time for a great comprehensive video. If I were going to be buying 2 of these NDs, which 2 would you recommend?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
Really depends the situations you work in. I currently only have a 6 stop. I'm currently looking at my settings during golden hour sessions to determine if I should add a 3 or 4 stop, and I'm leaning towards 3.
@jayboatwright1719
@jayboatwright1719 5 жыл бұрын
Hell yes! (With a big southern accent !). Buying immediately, thanks Robert!
@jayboatwright1719
@jayboatwright1719 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe not, Fujifilm and/or Panasonic not ready yet. Coming soon...
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
@@jayboatwright1719 Awww. So close. Yes this is a very new product, I randomly saw them on someone's KZfaq coverage of a photography conference, so hopefully Fuji/Panasonic is available soon!
@jayboatwright1719
@jayboatwright1719 5 жыл бұрын
@@robhallphoto meanwhile, I went ahead and got the Polar Pro ND. got the 77mm and 72mm step up ring. That will take care of 95% of what I do. Not as good as a solution, but the misfires with hss and the AD600Pro are killing me on some shoots. Not to mention burning thru 3-4 batteries.
@sookhiangoo1330
@sookhiangoo1330 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you... This is so cool... They even make a light pollution filter for astro
@MsKendricks1
@MsKendricks1 Жыл бұрын
Is there any value in using a clip density filter along with a gradient filter for outdoor shots (landscape and people)?
@ArtKingjr
@ArtKingjr 5 жыл бұрын
Do you think the drop in filter option Canon has for their new EOS R better than placing right on the sensor?
@ronronchau
@ronronchau 5 жыл бұрын
EOS R using a flimsy shutter for protection, it could effectively prevent dust from air, but a physical touch might be too much for it
@4KLive
@4KLive 5 жыл бұрын
is good if you using EF lens, seems do not work for the RF lens
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, I do. However, that's both system specific and requires the use of adapted lenses, so not at all a complete solution.
@jarrodlim1971
@jarrodlim1971 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! Just a question, for photographing exterior of real estate would it work with godox 400pro or the 600 would be preferred?
@lowerleftside
@lowerleftside 5 жыл бұрын
I can't find the Canon FF version of these filters on their site.
@JoelDino
@JoelDino 4 жыл бұрын
Rob, if I forget to turn off HSS and I shoot a frame with a shutter speed within my camera’s synch speed limit, will the flash still operate in HSS thus the issues you highlight in this video or will it revert back to normal flash. Thanks in advance.
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. You can leave HSS on full time and it will not trigger when you are at or slower than your max sync speed.
@11557bexley
@11557bexley 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, would love to see more images
@808dms
@808dms 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Speaking of HSS and using a Godox AD200, does this cause the flash to not fire after a few shots (even at lower powers 1/4-1/2)? I usually have to press the flash test button to get the flash to pop for another few shots. Would this non-flash problem be eliminated or lessened significantly if regular sync is used instead of HSS?
@Miketz
@Miketz 5 жыл бұрын
In your trigger settings, make sure you have 0-30m selected (and not 1-100m) in the DIST. Having it set otherwise will cause the lights to do what you describe when working close to them.
@josecolon8143
@josecolon8143 5 жыл бұрын
Professor Hall how’s the light quality affected by this filter? Color cast, transitions, ext.... How about using this during winter months or Russia, Alaska, and extreme cold weather (humidity, sensor exposed to weather during changing of filter)? I like the idea but I think this sensor is not ready yet unless companies introduce something to protect the sensor when the lens is removed as Canon did.
@PhotoBiteUK
@PhotoBiteUK 5 жыл бұрын
We've tested these - there is no chance of damaging your sensor as they're tailor-made to fit the respective mounts that they manufacture for. In fact, they have a sensor protector filter, which has been designed for exactly this reason. Give them a try - you'll be surprised.
@nycks1
@nycks1 4 жыл бұрын
@@PhotoBiteUK I have the 4 and 6 stops for my Sony A9 and love them :-)
@ST-fl5fy
@ST-fl5fy 3 жыл бұрын
How do you get focus its dark with the filter on? If you don’t have a mirrorless camera but a Nikon D750?
@robertbrooks5888
@robertbrooks5888 5 жыл бұрын
I use hypersync, but I would like to know how to get those over the censor NDs.
@rkch7551
@rkch7551 4 жыл бұрын
On STC site it says clip filters for EOS-R will be available in the future. Any idea how far in the future?
@jeffdietzphotography
@jeffdietzphotography 3 жыл бұрын
any color fringing issues, vignetting etc? Now that time has passed are you still using them and liking them?
@davidscz
@davidscz 5 жыл бұрын
Regading having to buy different filter sizes, wouldn't step up ring solve the problems? Or would there be any impairment to image quality with step up ring method?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
I think they are a pain in the ass, I have 7 different thread sizes, and one of my main portraits lenses is the 105mm 1.4 with a front optic size of 105mm, so stepping up a filter from 62mm to 105 would be obnoxious and unwieldy. Maybe if you only have 62, 67, and 72mm thread sizes it would be a more viable option
@Jimmy_Cavallo
@Jimmy_Cavallo 5 жыл бұрын
Great info, brotha. Thanks. Is the power loss in HSS consistent as soon as you raise the shutter speed above standard sync speed or does it increase as you move up to 1/8000.??
@Lucy-dk5cz
@Lucy-dk5cz Жыл бұрын
Increases as you move up above standard sync. So in HSS you loose one stop going from 1/500 to 1/1000. Imagine HSS as turning strobe into a continuous light source
@Jimmy_Cavallo
@Jimmy_Cavallo Жыл бұрын
@@Lucy-dk5cz thanks. People use an ND filter to keep shutter speeds lower and some recommend a 6 stop but it’s too dark for me regarding acquiring composition. A 3 stop is better although it doesn’t drop the shutter speed closer to being under synch speed as much as a 6 stop does but I was hoping that it was still an improvement in conserving flash power. Seems like it does based on your info.
@kendrickcontent
@kendrickcontent 4 жыл бұрын
Do u think godox V860 Li-On is strong enough with this in golden hour or shaded locations?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
It all depends on how close you have it and what modifier you use it with.
@aceproduction99
@aceproduction99 5 жыл бұрын
When wil lml they be available to purchase I been trying to get a hold of these since they were revealed
@anarchisttutor7423
@anarchisttutor7423 8 ай бұрын
Maybe I missed it, but how many stops of light does HSS take off a flash, effectlively? It must be a lot if a 6-stop NDF takes away less light.
@RaySweeting
@RaySweeting 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing great tip
@Nujola
@Nujola 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for your hard work
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@aaxxiiss83
@aaxxiiss83 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Robert, this was a great review! Have you continued using sensor filters? I would love to hear your experiences now one year later; have you come across with any issues in day-to-day shoots when swapping filters?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Nope, they work as expected and I still use them regularly today. The only mishap I had is the A7RIV changed the design surrounding the sensor (unbeknownst to me). So when I tried it for the first time it got stuck inside. STC has made notes on their website that the RIV will require a different design.
@ArmCmdr
@ArmCmdr 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Robert. Where did you buy them? I’m not seeing it on amazon.
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
Link in description.
@EricMcCormick
@EricMcCormick 5 жыл бұрын
I was checking out their site and other videos. I think if you put this on a DLSR, you have to put the mirror up so you are forced to use live view all the time. Can you verify this? I generally don't like using live view on my D810. Also feels like this could break something in the internals when the camera wants to flip the mirror back down.
@lauriewahlig789
@lauriewahlig789 3 жыл бұрын
Would you still recommend these camera sensor ND filters 2 years later??? I currently shoot with a sony A1 and looking for something for the same reasons you described. Any thoughts on the magnetic freewell system?
@shootermcgavin4999
@shootermcgavin4999 2 жыл бұрын
Did you ever find more information on your question?
@NikolajFreiesleben
@NikolajFreiesleben 5 жыл бұрын
That looks cool. Very simple solution. No more big heavy filters. But i see problems in focusing with a 10nd. Have you tried that?
@RickMentore
@RickMentore 5 жыл бұрын
Filters can sometimes degrade the quality of lenses and subsequently the image. Moving the filter behind the lens may well solve said problem. Do you have confidence that this gadget keeps images as sharp or it is just another choice between undesired background, HSS or this sensor filter? Love your videos RH. Your announcement, "never use HSS again," was intriguing, I did not know what to expect.
@paulrichardson6
@paulrichardson6 3 жыл бұрын
Moving the filter behind the lens would amplify the problem. The light still has to pass through the filter, and if it is low quality it will reduce image quality. As this filter is much smaller than a normal one, the light has a smaller surface area to pass through. Any imperfections in the filter will be amplified
@MarionBumperTwoBumper
@MarionBumperTwoBumper 5 жыл бұрын
Down side I see to the Canon filter is that it says in the item information that you need to use "Live Mode" when the filter is installed as it doesn't allow the mirror to be properly positioned. I use Live mode occasionally, but I don't have the finer focus points in live mode, and it consumes a LOT more battery power than standard viewfinder shooting.
@asifmatin1
@asifmatin1 5 жыл бұрын
Same for nikon
@NBWDOUGHBOY
@NBWDOUGHBOY 5 жыл бұрын
This is actually pretty cool. I dont know exactly how safe taking it off and putting it on over and over again is. But, Man, This is cool as shit. Not having to change NDs or Buy Stepper Rings when you want to shoot video outside on a bright day seems amazing. Especially if you are a traveler, keeping the amount of items you have to bring low. Seems like an amazing feat. I always wondered when they would release something like this. If this could be guaranteed safe. This is Dope!
@minhvisual4265
@minhvisual4265 5 жыл бұрын
Canon new mirrorless camera have a filter slot between the lens and the sensor. Always thought that was brilliant.
@JeffDietzphoto
@JeffDietzphoto 4 жыл бұрын
How is the color fringing on them? And where are you buying from? Their website says amazon is a distributer but I can't seem to find them on amazon at all.
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
I don't see a fringing issue. I bought directly from their website.
@johncantrell614
@johncantrell614 4 жыл бұрын
Would the problem you spoke of with an nd filter on a dslr be the same if you were using live view rather than the viewfinder?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. But, depends on the era of camera. Most dSLRs aren't optimized for live view autofocus, so expect reduced performance.
@thiagout
@thiagout 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting solution. Browsing through their website, I found this warning "Please understand the change in optical axis with the installation of clip filter, the angle of view will then become wider." Which I don't really understand, does it change the plane of focus or something? Will it affect anything other than cutting down the light? From another statement, I gathered that it's not recommended to use when focusing closer than 14mm, so it does look like to affect something, but it might not cause any issues, other than when shooting close-up macros. Can anyone clarify this? Thank you guys!
@one4allall4one91
@one4allall4one91 5 жыл бұрын
Your using a 60" or 48" as you mention in the video octabox. Its a lot to fill in even for a ad600. I used to use a 37" size and it did the job. I sometimes even go and use a 28".
@GiannisChas
@GiannisChas 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, doesn't a 6 stop ND filter also decrease the actual strobe light entering the sensor by 6 stops? How many stops of light does the strobe lose when you go from 1/250 to 1/8000 in full power? Thanks.
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
HSS has an instant efficiently loss of 3 stops (in this instance). Stopping down an additional 6 stops also drops the exposure and effects the strobe, effectively losing 9 stops total. 6 stop ND, you lose 6 stops. The strobe loses no output due to efficiency with an ND filter, but is merely affected the same way ambient is. Traditional sync is not subject to any efficiency loss in the strobe. The exposure of the strobe in both instances lose 6 from the changes to ambient settings, the HSS is less powerful because off the inefficiencies of pulsating the light. HSS has always, and will always, be less efficient at producing light output than traditional sync. And it will always be by the amount that the light loses as soon as you get into HSS, regardless of the shutter speed.
@Jace0241
@Jace0241 5 жыл бұрын
Robert, thank you so much for such an educational video. This is truly great!
@masilva0606
@masilva0606 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Rob.. When you were using the V1 at full power on this, were you using a soft box double diffused or the magnetic dome kit?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
V1?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Oh. Forgot about that shot at the end. That was with a shoot through umbrella
@johannbeckham
@johannbeckham 4 жыл бұрын
@Robert if im getting one or two of these STC NDs, which stop should i get? Which ones get used to most in your work?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
I use 4 and 6 50/50. 6 stop is like high noon / directly into a sun, whereas 4 is like partly cloudy / light overcast. Trying to use the 6 stop in overcast had me right back at ISO 400-800 so that's what made me add the 4 stop. Take a photo in the brightest settings you shoot in, with the aperture you want to shoot at, making the background as dark as you could see yourself wanting it. Then see how many stops you need to get that shutter speed to your cameras max sync speed. Thats the intensity I recommend.
@johannbeckham
@johannbeckham 4 жыл бұрын
@@robhallphoto thanks! Thanks for the content your providing us. It's such a valuable contribution!
@samuelsungstabtu7527
@samuelsungstabtu7527 5 жыл бұрын
What is the transfer function of this particular "ND" filter? Seems to be changing the lighting ratio between strobe and ambient light...
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
There is no "transfer function" The light gained is simply using the more efficient standard sync over HSS.
@La-verdad-aunque-duela
@La-verdad-aunque-duela Жыл бұрын
I love this info and the quality of this video as well. What camera did you use to record this video tutorial my friend?. Thanks lot!
@rueben68
@rueben68 5 жыл бұрын
Real world test coming? Thanks brother great find!
@kendrickcontent
@kendrickcontent 4 жыл бұрын
If its not overly bright outside(overcast) a 6 stop ND will cut too much light right? Or will dialing SS down to 1/100 f1.8 will bring it back.
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah overcast is less bright, I tend to use a 4 stop now for overcast. When I had just the 6 stop ND, I would simply raise my iso to 400, i'm not a fan of going under 1/250s shutter speed on my A7RIII because of how high the megapixels are, it's easy to introduce motion blur even with IBIS.
@kendrickcontent
@kendrickcontent 4 жыл бұрын
Robert Hall Photography but if u go over 250/sec will that still put u in hss while using nd filter?
@eustacevictor2177
@eustacevictor2177 4 жыл бұрын
Rob great stuff . quick question . can I slap a piece of nd filter sheet never sensor will I get similar results . Use Nikon D7100 , from what I see there isn't much of a difference .
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Like ND filters for gels? No, those aren't designed for image capture and will probably make your photo look like garbage. Not to mention the lack of an eloquent way to insert and remove. Also, you don't have a way to ensure it doesn't get chewed up by the shutter curtains, or moved by the mirror slapping. There's a lot of problems with that idea lol.
@dominick3579
@dominick3579 5 жыл бұрын
Please please please compare this solution with an AD200 vs HSS on an AD600!
@hangtime6743
@hangtime6743 3 жыл бұрын
The 2 flash i have....non pro version. I have an nd filter coming in later this week. Need to test it out
@lusher97
@lusher97 4 жыл бұрын
robert, sorry but have scrolled through the whole comment section but didn't see, may I know if they fit the a7r 4, please.
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt Sony changed anything about the area surrounding the sensor but, your best bet is to check with the filter company.
@carlosread5887
@carlosread5887 5 жыл бұрын
I have a question: With this type of ND filter, don't you get a darker view, too? Or is that darkness "compensated" automatically when you use a mirrorless camera?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
Addressed twice in the video. Because you adjust your settings to compensate for the ND, your view is unnaffected. This would be the same for a dSLR in live view, provided you have your settings effect preview on.
@carlosread5887
@carlosread5887 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering. I don not have a mirrorless camera yet. Perhaps that is why I don't understand what you are talking about. In my experience with ND filters, the moment you place one in front of the lens, all becomes so dark, that it is difficult to see through, much more difficult to focus. I would have to do it myself with a mirrorless to understand. Seems very cool, and a real solution for extra bright conditions!
@derusevideo1967
@derusevideo1967 4 жыл бұрын
What would happen in that scenario if you increased your ISO a bit and just decreased your flash power from there? Wouldn't that help with the ambient lighting in the background?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
If i raise the ISO the ambient light gets brighter. That doesn't help the relationship between ambient and strobe because it affects them equally.
@GBB70
@GBB70 4 жыл бұрын
Good vid. I use a 2-5 stop PolarPro ND. It’s an 82mm in size so I just add step up rings for my 67 and 77mm lens. No need to buy multiple ND filters. I also use the AD200 and no need for HSS.
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
I wish my lens selection was that close! Too many lenses, too wide of a range for size, making step up rings too tedious for me to rely on.
@babakmasoudrad7854
@babakmasoudrad7854 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert! I’m a new subscriber to your channel. Very informative and scientific. Thank you for your high quality content. I also, have a question, which I couldn’t find the answer to it by myself on the net. Are there any ND clip filters (like the one in this video) for Nikon Z6, or Z series as a whole? And if not, is there a scientific physical limitation for that, so I should not wait for them to be available anytime soon? Thank you
@debraellsworth4923
@debraellsworth4923 5 жыл бұрын
This filter looks like a great tool. It makes me nervous thinking about getting something on my sensor. Have you done a video for how to clean tour sensor?
@khalidkobeikram7408
@khalidkobeikram7408 3 жыл бұрын
Would this be available for the Canon R6?
@RickyPiscoSour
@RickyPiscoSour 5 жыл бұрын
Good find Robert! I am excited for the potential to shoot at open apertures under bright conditions. Does anybody know if it supports Canon 5DMark IV? On the website info, I can only find 5DMark III.
@Innovate-pq9ci
@Innovate-pq9ci 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Robert, only works in ES mode? or can I also use the mechanical shutter
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 5 жыл бұрын
Flash doesn't work in electronic shutter at all
@Innovate-pq9ci
@Innovate-pq9ci 5 жыл бұрын
@@robhallphoto I just realized how stupid my question was :D I just asked because I thought this device would get in the shutter mech's way...
@lewchaney2138
@lewchaney2138 4 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@itsspunkdad
@itsspunkdad 4 жыл бұрын
Guessing on a mirror camera like 5D's this solution would be too dark to see/focus?
@markkeohane9850
@markkeohane9850 4 жыл бұрын
No. Better than mirrorless in that regard as - from what I've been able to glean from 5 mins of research - the filter goes behind the mirror and, hence, won't affect the image you see in the vf. And I think should not affect focus either as I don't believe (but don't quote me) that's not driven from the sensor in DSLRs. STC appears to manufacture only for DSLR for Canon and Nikon anyway. Seems the only mirrorless system offered is Sony.
@cesarebonazza
@cesarebonazza 4 жыл бұрын
Did you try shooting at 1/250 sec with the 8600 or 8200 with The ND Because the default on all Godox flash is 1/200 sec did you notice any bandwidth? Just curious Great suggestions thank you
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
The "default" is not dictated by the flash at all. It depends on the camera bodies. My camera bodies have a max sync speed of 1/250s and will not trigger HSS until 1/320 or faster.
@cesarebonazza
@cesarebonazza 4 жыл бұрын
@@robhallphoto I got it , the maximum sync speed on all hss flash have long duration flash speed especially Godox 1/200 sec pass that is not really good I best to use flash above 1/900 of a sec with that technic with ND The camera as nothing to do with the flash sync speed test let me know with a conventional flash that as 1/900 sec or above basically their T1 and T2 is very important. if you get bandwidth at 1/250 sec on setting with the camera and Godox flash it will still default at 1/200 sec on the t1 try it and let me know.
@medina8050
@medina8050 3 жыл бұрын
Can u leave the filter on whem camera not in use/off
@lebronj1587
@lebronj1587 4 жыл бұрын
I was confused by what you meant on 1:17 . Could you elaborate a little more on what you were saying starting there and through the next 30 seconds? I have a Neewer NW600bm. By bigger, did you mean a light that can produce more watts? Or did you mean a bigger softbox?
@robhallphoto
@robhallphoto 4 жыл бұрын
Bigger as in a larger, higher wattage, more powerful light.
@lebronj1587
@lebronj1587 4 жыл бұрын
@@robhallphoto got it. thank you for taking time to respond.
@anitatan4328
@anitatan4328 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Robb... I'm hendra from indonesia, i'm very excited with this ND filter.. But some question needed, any vignett issued from using this filter ??
@PaperTaker
@PaperTaker 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and thanks for sharing this product. It would be awesome if you could do a comparison with a tiffen variable nd filter
@percymoore279
@percymoore279 2 ай бұрын
I like that idea. I clicked on link in bio and it says not found. Do they make them for the Nikon Z models?
@djvincon
@djvincon 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, very good review of the product. One question: doesn't it hurt the IBIS?
@wasp2151
@wasp2151 5 жыл бұрын
No it this clip on filters are nothing new astrophotographers using them for years. Now they are coming to other camera systems then just Canon and Nikon. I have been wanting for them to come to Fuji x systems. So I know little be about them. So they don't sit on the sensor it self. It never touching the sensor, it just above the shutter. So not wont effect IBIS .
@wullieg7269
@wullieg7269 5 жыл бұрын
I got 64 and variable,need vignette.used twice can't lose.16th power on flash.
@pignesh143
@pignesh143 5 жыл бұрын
Great item . And I am using 1dx mark ii that stc filter available for that?
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