Since Apex started taking actions, high-level lobbies are empty and just full of bots. Weird.

"It is tiring having to always wonder what I need to do to improve, when my cheating opponent might have created an impossible problem for me to solve." Well said!

Xim/cronus has genuinely ruined cross play fps. As a former contract esports player its really really sad to see things like. A ban wave wiping out 80% of high elo lobbys for a few weeks. People like to cope and say cheating isnt common but the last year we breached the threshold in most games. Where a net total of over 51% of high ranked players (at least in games like cod) were in some way tool assisted

Holy shit this video is really good, genuinely covered nearly every bullet point I could think of w/o giving out named examples and just got to the point and actually showed the advantages and disadvantages. You cooked.

IM SO GLAD YOU SAID IT! The 20% dead zone has been my actual nightmare. I legit thought it was me being bad at games. Like it was crazy coming back from a hiatus from apex with its ALC settings and then getting a dual sense edge and having even greater control of dead zones and stick sensitivity, I was absolutely eating with customization in Apex. Then I cam back to D2 and wanted to grind rank there again but my aim felt SOOOO slow, literally like you said like dragging my sticks thru mud. I was so confused. I now see it is just D2 forced bullshit. I have to have a separate profile just to make my aim feel slightly comparable to what it is in Apex. Glad to know finally. I can stop tripping.

Wild to think that in D1 Lupo was opening using a Xim and that was his "niche" that drew people to him, like nobody had an issue with it back then because nobody really understood just how bonkers it was.

I used control freaks in the beginning of my fps pvp escapades. I bought the ps4 back button attachment, but the first pro controller I bought was the ps5 edge. The amount of customizing with deadzones and swappable sticks and paddles are great. Having jump and crouch on the back of the controller help tremendously in gaming in general. Almost feels mandatory in modern competitive fps games. I don't want to get to the times where cheating in games is viewed in the same light. Like keeping up with the competition means having to cheat as well.

I just use a Dualsense Edge w paddles, literally nothing tweaked besides in game settings and mapping a single paddle to crouch using the default ps5 config software for that controller. I can only use one paddle at a time because I’m still not used to them, if I have two I occasionally fatfinger the other one. The built in trigger stoppers on the controller also help, but that’s as far as I’m willing to go, I just can’t play claw grip and having to take my finger off of the right stick to crouch mid fight completely takes away my ability to throw off others aim from my head. I’ve been playing fps games for over a decade with normal controllers and having said all this I sound like a “bad” or casual player, but having the advantage of that one single paddle did wonders for me. At the end of the day if you have good aim, awareness and knowledge about what you are playing and how you play it there is absolutely no need for any form of “cheating” listed in this video even in the higher echelon of PvP. That’s just my experience as a controller sweat though. Hope the industry takes a step in the right direction to prevent frequent cheating from going unnoticed.

“Underwater with aimbot” is an outrageously accurate way to describe controller aim

I am playing a lot, and I mean a lot of PvP. What I realized is that the normal play list and also Trials are infected to the core with cheaters. Almost every second to third game has a ximmer/cheater in it and as veteran pvp player you realize that immediately. What I also hate are those macro SMG-crouch-spammers, why not just press the crouch button manually?

You're a gem in this community Cammy. Thnx

Really good video, thank you for chiming in on the topic.

"Fighting Lion is the best anticheat this game has ever had" I feel that one, it's gotten to the point it never leaves my inventory and usually in pvp doesn't leave my hands either. As much as people might hate it, with how many people out there that are cheaters, it really is one of the few ways to actually effectively counter cheaters

I am a C7 quadraplegic so don't have very good hand fuction and just use a scuf controller, i manage to get by with that so i don't understand people saying cronus is needed for accessability issues.

huge props for showing the optimal potemkin hitbox was not expecting to see that

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One thing, on your slide about XIM/Cronus not making a player good, one of the most impactful things that it does is perfect recoil control, at least in other games like apex, turning the flatline into a laserbeam makes the game waay easier and imo the strongest thing that those softwares do.

I've seen a lot of "network manipulation" hacks in Gambit recently. From instant supers, nonstop invasions, and self reviving. I was told it was "undetectable" and good luck getting them banned even after multiple reporting. I'm sure that kind of stuff is also plaguing Crucible / Trials.

Thank you! I've been hearing so many of these terms thrown around (especially ximming in Destiny 2), and I had no idea what was going on.

Only issue with improved controller settings on d2 would be the xim configs also getting much stronger, probably more so than controller. For example, with the deadzones currently present you're immediately hitting those if you move your mouse too fast. Sure, reduced deadzones would massively help controller, but it'd also worsen the ximming problem. Or the customizable aim response curves, could essentially allow a 1:1 input with virtually no aim accel but all the aim assist of a controller.

Xbox gamer here. I started out with just the basic xbox controller, but after trying out my friend's stadia, I fell in love with how the stadia controller felt. About a week later I bought a Razer Wolverine v2 simply because it just fit my hands better like the stadia controller and it has lasted me forever, and I don't think I'd ever buy a different controller at this point. It's a very nice controller.

The video from aztecross was so good too, I feel a change is coming.

Yessss the amount of times my “intentional” aim was thwarted due to Over aim assist in Destiny can not be overstated

I use the gamesir G7 SE controller, with a hair-trigger on RT (firing trigger) and I used the software that comes with it to decrease the dead zones on the joysticks to around 3%. I play 16 sense, 0.5 ads mod, 105 fov, max turn scale. I also have crouch/slide mapped to clicking down my right joystick, A (jump) mapped to the right paddle, and b or x mapped to left back paddle (melee or revive/heavy ammo pick-up)

Extremely professional. This was entertaining and informative. Thank you

Glaives are now good anti-cheat against aimbot/wallhack snipers with the passive shield charge giving the ability to peek corners for free and waste enemy ammo. Great video as always, Cam!

@cammycakes gaming On ps5 Ps5 edge controller (original sony "elite") with the two flat pedals (not the button ones). Left paddle = X = jump Right paddle = O = slide Movement and Buttonlayout default Look sens 19 ADS sens 0.6 No inversion Autolook centering off Sprint turn scale 0.8 Vibration on Double press delay 1 Video: FoV 105 Motion blur, chromatic aberration and film grain all off 120hz mode Hope that helps

If you do end up seeing this, I've always been a console player. I'd probably be considered a "top percentile" player by most standards. Up until a couple months ago I've always used the default controller for ps4 and ps5. Default controller, default button set up with triggers swapped (ADS/Fire with L1/R1 vs L2/R2) I play at 19 sens and .9 ads multiplier. I guess i couldnt say if that makes it feel "good" as I'm not very knowledgeable about how fps games are supposed to feel, but I think it feels good to me. I don't play claw or anything so I've always just whipped my right thumb to whatever button I need to press and back to the stick. Has worked out well enough. When I said this was the case until a couple months ago it's because I bought a battle beaver with 4 back buttons. It was a slog to get used to that after practically 9 or 10 years of playing destiny the same way with no extra buttons but I've gotten used to it. I will say it has made me FEEL like my aim has gotten better but my performance overall hasn't really changed. I'm not sure if this would help you enjoy controller better or whatever intent you were asking for, but I just felt like sharing.

Can confirm, XIM are still sold at GameStop.

Elite 2 - i've tweaked the thumbstick curve on my aim stick and also the tension on it, which kinda feels better when in D2. In the in-game settings 11 hip turn speed, 0.6 ads (would like this to be more customisable). Use a custom greenthumb layout. It's still not where I'd ideally like (would prefer greater hip fire turn & similar ads as I have now) and I'm loathed to relearn new button combos for a marginal improvement in terms of movement/using abilities more freely.

I love when cammy just talks about stuff. I still love his tips for college video he did, even if I first saw it in middle school

When I worked at my local small movie theater, a lot of us played WoW. One of the employees found an automatic fishing macro to use during work rushes. We would all have our laptops lined up on the back counter running the fishing macro simultaneously. After the work rushes, we would cook and sell our fish for gold. Those were good times.

Cheaters are plaguing every modern shooter on every platform. Like the cheater epidemic on R6 siege or overwatch and COD almost all top players are xim or playing with xim . I stopped playing destiny a while ago because controller just feels so bad, i upgraded my PlayStation from the 4-5 and the game feels like shit but in 60 fps. Im a siege player on console and ive been playing for nearly 8 years ive hit the highest ranks and have thousands of hours in the game and it feels like stolen valor like my time has been wasted, and ubisoft doesn’t do anything about the cheaters they have an anti cheat on console called “mousetrap” and all it does is give input delay after it detects a xim but all you have to do to fix it is unplug the xim turn off/on your controller then plug the xim back in

The biggest thing that annoys me as a controller player is that devs balance aim assist by making recoil greater natively. Meaning that even if you turn off aim assist - which I do if given the option - I'm at a much more significant disadvantage. If I could have MnK levels of recoil when I turn AA off I'd literally never use aim assist again. I just want my guns to shoot straight. I don't use any settings in any controllers, I don't use macros, I'll adjust deadzones and things like that if given the in game option, but if it isn't in the game I think it's murky in terms of acceptability.

To answer your question, I'm an ascendant in comp, with a roughly 1.8 kd, I use the standard software on a standard ps5 controller, and i dont use ANY modifications to my console. I dont claim myself as best console player, but, i say im doing well for myself. What got me to feel better with d2 settings was really just playing the game, ive got about 2.1k hours on it now, so im very familiar with the controls, and thats about it.

The only thing I have on my controller for console are Kontrol Freak stick attachments in order to raise the profile of the stick so I can get more precise movement at low stick distance. I've used nothing else, ever, and don't really feel the need to.

I’m a PS5 player. 2.23 trials KD with over 130k kills. Classed as top 0.1% (500) per external websites. I main Titan. I use a stock PS5 controller. My config for destiny is: R3 - Hold crouch - This allows me to throw a crouch in (or spam) without moving my thumb. It also allows me to slide without moving my thumb. It took a lot of getting used too. O - this is class ability. L2 - Aim R2 - Shoot L1 - Punch R1 - Grenade - The top buttons are personal preference. Square - Revive (i claw ONLY on revive/power) Triangle - Swap weapon (default) X - Jump Sens - 12 ADS - 0.9 Turn - Max, 1.0? No major adjustments. I consistently get called “cheater” and accused to be using a XIM/Cronus etc. when i play with PC friends the PC opposition do the same. I feel as if people just cannot accept other people can just be better than them without a reason other than skill/practise/talent etc. I’ve played Vs. Some top streamers and re-watched the VoD as i value watching back from PoV of enemy to better my game especially when i lose. But, again. Some accuse me live on stream. I’m 29 and played FPS since i was ~13 so i have 16 years experience. I’m not flashy, not sliding everywhere and trickshoting. My aim is damn near perfect and my game sense is “experienced” and that is my own organic “advantage” over most players. @cammycakes gaming i would happily spend some time with you and talk you through etc.

Hey Cammy, you asked for some controller advice at the end of your video and I thought I’d provide some. For reference, I play on Xbox series x and have been a part of the Destiny community since Taken King with playing regularly for about 4-6 hours a day (changes depending on school). I started out using a regular controller that came with the console and adjusted my sensitivity to 7 and kept it there for all of D1 and some of D2 until they introduced higher sensitivity options. At that point I went up to 14, played with it for a month and realized that was too much, then went down to 12 where it’s been and probably will remain. I don’t mess with any of the dead zone options or anything extra, just sensitivity and have my muscle memory trained to that specific turning ratio and it’s resulted in me feeling confident in all my gunfights because I’m so finely tuned with the speed at which I turn. This helps with knowing how far I need to turn in order to hit a flick, how far I need to turn to back slide away from my opponents, as well as how much I need to hold down on the thumb stick to keep my recoil steady. I don’t even know what dead zones mean or any of the extra jargain even though I’ve only been a console player for years. As far as the controller I use I’ve found great success in the Elite series 2 controller because solely of the paddles. Being able to press a paddle on the back without having to quickly swap to claw then back again saves necessary time and has allowed me to do a lot of “tech” movements and inputs that gives me an upper hand. It’s still possible with a normal controller but requires a lot more moving my grip around constantly which has gotten me killed in some cases. However, I don’t recommend the Elite Series 2 controller because while it’s very comfortable and has a ton of great settings at your disposal, I’ve found that they don’t last long at all for their price. I’ve had 2 elite controllers and both of them have had their problems after only a year of use, which for the price is ridiculous. I’m looking for a new controller with paddles that isn’t gonna break the bank since I’ve gotten so used to the paddles but I’m not in a rush. The regular Xbox controller has been working great for me. Thanks if you actually read this and let me know if there’s any clarification needed or if you had any questions.

Quick clarification, not a pvp fan but definitely a pve sweat. I use an elite series 2 controller with tweaked stick input recognition in the Xbox settings themselves. The series 2 gives you shorter trigger pulls and you can tension the sticks down when you pop off the joysticks (which I tighten for more precision). 15 sense with max 105fov and my paddles are all the face buttons (A,B,X,Y) so I never take my thumb away from aiming. Never used the gray area cheatsy shit, never will. With this combination I play better than 99% of the LFG players I come across, MnK included. The only major downside to series 2 is that they definitely have a short expiration date on peak performance, as they begin to wear and lose stick tension after about 3 months

I use the Victrix Gambit Pro on Xbox. I use four back buttons which are tuned to A (Class ability) , B (Hold to Crouch) , X (Reload - great for bow cancel) , Y (weapon swap) so I don't have to take my thumbs off my sticks. This controller comes with comes with adjustable trigger stops and I have mine on the shortest (?) setting so the that trigger press is as shallow as possible. LB is tied to jump, RB grenade and RS is melee. I have Kontrol freak on RS and I play on 10 sens which is enough to 180 during a stompees/dunes slide and have 0.8 ADS multiplier. My sprint turn is the highest possible. I use the full auto setting for most guns except hand cannons

The issue with crouch spammers is not that it's a big advantage (tho it probably is if you try to headshot) or that you might emulate it manually (which you can't, at least not without distracting yourself), but that it poses the question what other scripts they are running.

Great video. As a MnK player, the 20% deadzone on controller in Destiny is crazy. That single-handedly is the greatest disadvantage I can think of and probably the reason why it feels so awful to use. I use an opensource software called Raw Accel to change my mouse inputs from a linear curve to a logarithmic one. This gives me the benefit of having low sensitivity precision with low acceleration movements and the ability to do 180s with faster movements without having to go across my whole desk. If I were on controller, I would immediately search for a similar piece of software to reduce the deadzone size and be able to have a similar acceleration experience with more fine grain control. In my eyes, that would not be cheating as it would modify inputs by a constant set of formulas, similar to that of a change in sensitivity. Any software that goes beyond this limited scope of input manipulation would in my eyes be cheating. Any automation of inputs, macros or otherwise in my eyes is equally cheating. I really hope AI anticheat such as Waldo Vision is able to detect this sort of thing in the future.

DS4 or DS5 (rumblers removed) full control scheme Fire-R2 Hold zoom-L2 Reload- both stick click Alternate weapon action- both stick click(hold) Charged melee-R1 Uncharged melee-L1+R1 Grenade-R1+R2 Super-dpad down Jump-L1 Finisher-triangle(hold) Highlight player- dpad up(hold) Sprint toggle-Left stick click Crouch toggle-right stick click Light attack-R1 Heavy attack-R2 Block-L2 Breakout-dpad down(double) All class abilities- right stick click(double) Icarus-Left stick click(instant dash off ledges or jumps while sprinting) Air dive-left stick click(again for instant dives when leaving the ground while running, very recommended for easy controller shatter skating) Kenetic or energy swap-square+X Kenetic-square Energy-x Heavy-circle Vehicle controls are defaults Interact-triangle Emotes I’m sure are’t important but are as follows 1-triangle(double) 2-square (double) 3-dpad left 4-dpad right

Just want to say that you made this video very well! Very organized, straight to the point, and you aren’t dumbing down the complexities of the arguments, involving lots of good research/examples while still making it easy to understand. I wonder how many players I’ve been up against running xim or Cronus on console, the cross video had a stat saying it was like a third of all players … that’s scary. My personal set up is an Xbox elite series 2 with paddles for sliding/crouching, and either jumping or reviving depending on my loadout or the game (like in OW I always run jump, same thing in trials, and on strand hunter so I can slide, grab a tangle and 180 turn at the same time, which I do all the time. But otherwise I run jump). My only annoyances with controller is that it limits movement(can’t strafe as fast due to how thumb sticks work, as you talked about) and sens, which also ties into movement, but I like higher sens, feels much more fun and fluid, but higher sens = less precise aim for controller. But controller has more aim assist at least, so if I spec into movement like strand hunter or snap skating on dawnblade, or genji in OW, the movement may be worse, but I have a bit easier time aiming if I hit the initial flick right, which is harder on controller, but the small adjustments aren’t as much of a problem with aim assist

Thank you 👍🙂great video. I use nothing. I have concidered buying a scuff. But I’m not a pvp main anymore. I won a some thumb sticks via Kruzer back in the day. Thats abt it. Console only btw.

Seeing anklegator's controller in a Destiny video is a bit of a trip. I've seen it IRL, it's hilarious. For the non-fgc folks here, it's almost like a modern art thing where anklegator is trying to explore the limits of what's legal on a controller, and they do actually play on it--the layout is trying to achieve something similar to macros, where certain difficult button combinations (kara Potemkin Buster being the one I remember) are made easier by just running your finger across a row of buttons.

That idea of less aim assist is an interesting one, and something I've wondered about for years in destiny. I grew up on games with no AA (or at least super low AA) so I've always been used to having to put my shots where I want them. Aim training programs were my daily grind, and I was pretty good at them. Not world's best or anything like that, just pretty good. I'm on mnk for reference. Destiny always had that feel like something is pulling my shots away from where I put them, and to be successful I needed to relax my control and let the game do some of the work. That's been my only complaint about the feel of the game since the beginning. It makes my aim lazy af. I doubt anyone will actually read this whole comment, but I'm leaving it anyway! Lol First world D2 problems: As I shoot and that accuracy ring grows, my bullets stop going where I put them. Same with as the stability or range stat worsens on a weapon. And especially when I'm moving and flicking too fast. I don't think I have a perfect understanding of how aim assist works in destiny, but I know full auto and high fire rate weapons feel awful with less of it. Polaris Lance vs Skyburners oath is a perfect example of my confusion. Polaris has 39 AA, and I can hit every crit nearly every time, while Skyburners has 90 AA and it's actually pretty difficult by comparison to hit those crits every time unless we're just talking about stationary follow up shots. It feels like my aiming is too fast for the game, and my shots happen when they should, but the game slows the reticle or something as it approaches the crit. Idk, maybe it's just how lazy my aim has gotten, or my reaction time has slowed down just enough to impact D2 specifically, because I'm still fine in other games that have less AA once I adjust. I picked up a lethophobia with slick draw and golden tricorn. It took me a match or two to get used to it, but it really felt so good for that arrow to go exactly where I put it instead of arcing two feet over at 50 yards. I like the feeling I get when it's obviously my skill that gets me that W. It's really the only thing that makes me focus on improving. If all my shots are RNG as to whether they'll go where I'm aiming because the bullet is sent through a pattern in the reticle ring, then RNG is the only thing to improve, which takes me off the hook for being responsible for my own skill improvements. Suddenly it's the game devs who need to increase my ability to hit shots. That alone is usually enough to put me off a game. Somehow the secret sauce in D2 has had me playing for more than 8k hrs without any real complaints even with all that aim assist throwing off my accuracy. Wow, it feels weird to say that.

Hey Cam! Controller recommendations: I heard this one loud and clear. I used to have the same issue you felt when I was playing on my ps4. Once I switched to a ps5 I felt like I at least wasn’t held back by my hardware and I really got down to the nitty gritty of my settings. I used to run max sense all the time and I’m not a hyper aggressive HC/shotty player. I dialed that back to 15 sense and 1.5 still on the ADS modifier. The controller itself is the ps5 dualsense edge with a tall ControlFreak on the right stick to give me fine control over my aim. While the shape still leaves something to be desired(I have arthritis in my hands so the “shriveled grip” is still kind of uncomfortable) it’s miles better than the old ps4 dualsense. This has the added benefit of giving me paddles so I’m not constantly taking my fingers off my aiming stick to jump and/or crouch. I have the jump bound to left paddle and hard toggle crouch bound to right paddle with hold crouch also bound to L3(This lets me crackhead slide in pvp). I also have interact bound to right paddle which lets me still freely aim and shoot back while crouching and reviving in PvP. I have mostly default button binds except I have my unpowered melee bound to R3 and powered bound to R1 so I can pick and choose which one I use when. I have finisher bound to L3/R3 combo so I’m not doing it accidentally in PvE. This is the most comfortable setup I’ve found for running PvP without the game feeling like aiming through molasses or feeling too loose and uncontrollable on the opposite end. The only drawbacks is adjusting to the new button positions and I had to do some weird rebinds in the ps5 edge custom button layouts to make space for button combos. A funny side effect is that sometimes I emote instead of reloading. lol I fixed that by changing the emote time to be long hold and reload to be short press. Thankfully special reloads always seem to take priority(like Izanagi) because they’re also long press. Hope this helps bro!

Some more reasons why the Xim and Cronus are getting more popular is the games themselves. The live-service game is by far the most popular genre these devices are used in because these games have been out for years. Fortnite, Destiny 2, Overwatch, Rainbow Six Siege, Rust, CoD have all been out for 4+ years. When a game is out that long: -The audience grows immensely (if it’s successful). That will just naturally bring in more cheaters. It will also create content creators (who then might have a monetary incentive to cheat in this way). -If the game is competitive in any way (intentional or not). People will chase the highest rank by whatever means they deem “necessary”. -Player skill will plateau at some point, and some players want to be better immediately without facing the diminishing returns that come from playing more or dedicating actual time and thought into learning something super obscure. The idea of delayed gratification is lost when a player joins a game late. -If a new player goes into these games this late, they will get completely destroyed by veterans. When this happens, the player has choices: hope SBMM takes the wheel and protects them, tough it out and learn the game through facing (and likely losing to) better players, or buy and use the shortcut of a Xim/Cronus to “catchup” to veteran players with artificial combos/techs or aim. -Xim/Cronus users have the time to develop increasingly more effective settings through finding the niche details of the game to optimize scripts and aim assist. This can create more Xim/Cronus users who do the same because of how much the scripts help. -Elitism for cross play games. When cross play is a feature for these games, the community separates naturally into the platforms: Console/PC ; Xbox/Playstation ; PC/Xbox/Playstation. The difference between the inputs or features of each group leads to the group that loses feeling like the other had an advantage. People have different responses to feeling this way (reporting, trash talking, crying in social media, etc…). If it’s the MnK group that loses, some will resort to hard cheats (and they’ll get banned eventually). More dangerous is the console group. If they feel this way, you better believe that some will buy a Xim or Cronus, and that these people won’t get banned. Xim and Cronus have been around much longer than anyone realizes, but it’s the 10-year games that have made them an increasingly prevalent issue. Now that the devices are so popular and haven’t been dealt with at all (though Sony might have temporarily dented Cronus use, a workaround will probably show up soon), similar programs are showing up in games on launch. The Finals faced the ReWASD issue when it wasn’t even out for 2 months. For how Destiny 2 feels on controller, but more specifically Console. It feels terrible. 10 years of Destiny, and console users’ only way to change their aim is still limited sensitivity options. This is bad enough, but the absolute worst thing is that the crosshair on console platforms is not in the center of the screen, it’s significantly below center. On PC, this setting can be changed. On console, the original platform Destiny started on, it cannot. I play on 5 sens with 1.0 ads modifier on my Ps5 because that was my default (so what I played on) since Destiny 1, so I know what my aim can and cannot do. I guess the Destiny console philosophy is don’t fix issues for the group who can’t be heard because the only changes that were notable for consoles were button remapping, sprint-turn scale, sens options going from 10 to 20 (this is the only console specific one IIRC).

Finally more people are taking notice of how ridiculous all of this cheating is. This is coming from a "top 500" player. It honestly makes me want to quit pvp temporarily.

I just use my base PS5 controller. I prefer to leave the settings as is due to how limited customization in on the controllers half. I typically pair this with higher sensitivity to help myself keep up with PC players as I find the slow turn speed to be a huge detriment. One major note that I will add is that some controllers will have different calibrations for how fast you can look around/move due to how the controller was built. My preferred controller has a looser look stick that allows me to turn faster than my other controllers due to the resistance not being as strong in comparison to others. I don’t personally feel like spending an arm and a leg on a “better” controller when I have one that just works. If you want a good controller, make sure that it’s feel fits the way you want to play. If you have a majority of your actions bound to buttons: make sure the buttons feel right. If you like to flick: pick a controller that has less resistance and a smaller dead zone. I’m nothing special with my controller selection, but that’s my perspective on this. Edit: I am a GL main on console, so I’m biased towards having an easier time looking around, but everything else I said prior stands as is. 16 Sens, 1.8x multiplier (Could be higher.), max turn scale radius bump.

Hey cammy, this was a thorough video and your closing question was enough to bring me to your comment section. In destiny 1 I rocked an 8 sensitivity on a standard Xbox controller then bought 2 elite series 1’s. When Destiny 2 came out I always rocked 10 initially. When the sensitivity buffs came out, I found a sweet spot at 15 sense with a 0.6 modifier, sprint modifier was set to max at 0.8. I’ve owned 3 Elite series 2’s as they tend to break a lot and my current controller is a Frankenstein controller running off parts from each of my elite series 2 purchases. I have all 4 paddles (top left crouch, top right jump, bottom left class ability, bottom right swap weapons). Thumbsticks are standard length and loosest tension. My left thumbstick is set to the Aggressive curve maxed. My right thumbstick is set to the Smooth curve @ the 2nd notch. I reached a breaking point recently where all I faced in trials were PK donning titans rocking max range rolled SMGs with minimal stability but maximized aim assist. I’m not gonna lie, I searched up ways to use a cronus and where to buy one. I never bought it but I still feel dirty for even considering it. I’m glad I stayed clean as I just knew the community was reaching a breaking point and I wanted to maintain my dignity. Im happy to rely on my natural ability to use weapons to the absolute max potential such as min/maxed heliocentric sidearm with Moving target/Precision Instrument so I can TTK edge and maximized an 80 mobility Khepris Horn Titan.

i've never had an issue with playing against "ximmers" because from an improver mentality having perfect level aim is to be expected, if everyone has perfect aim then there would be other things to focus on such as positioning,timing, resource management etc.. and it's the same thing in fighting games. players with good execution will make you hate the character they're using and it shifts the game's meta into a poking meta, in the case of destiny 2 there are so many legitimate degenerate strategies that they might as well be considered cheating because they are so infuriating to deal with and adding a crouch spamming immortal smg invis hunter to the mix is only adding more fuel to a fire you can't extinguish. not trying to defend people who use xim but what bothers me more than them are the people constantly crying about them as if they're the devil of some sort.

Cammy man your a brilliant, educated,informed,well experienced and completely able to be one of the employed and importantly positioned member of bungies high level team of developers,designers,creates etc.Obviously you have a major voice and influence to the game of destiny and have so for many years and I hope this continues for as long as possible. Your a diamond a light a gauge a compass of the highest calibur.So please keep these video essays health checks reviews coming,much,much respect sir👍

I use a ps5 controller with 2 paddles the right one is to jump i also have my interact button on my aim button so i can revive and shoot at the same time also my right stick is set to hold crouch so i can crouch spam sometimes

i used to use a XIM a long time ago to play the on ps4 with my xbox elite controller and it sucks to see a somewhat small group of people ruin things for everyone else.

The idea of a game without any cheaters or exploiters is such a pipe dream for me at this point. I’d love it! The whole reason I’m drawn to PvP is the competition and skill. But it gets ruined by all the cheaters and people not playing legit. Let alone desync, net code, hit detection. It all just ruins the amazing experience that it could and should be. Hope we get there someday

Playstation player here to chime in with my settings. Base PS5 controller. Default movement and button controls Look Sens 10, ADS Sens 0.8 Sprint-Turn 0.8 Double Press Delay 1 120Hz Crucible Mode on FoV 105 Motion Blur, Chromatic Aberration, and Film Grain off Other configs are default. At some point, I do want to take advantage of changing my inputs for charged vs uncharged melee so they aren't mapped together, but that'll take some getting used to. Basically, my settings are almost completely vanilla, and I still put in an average 1.5 K/D even with "bad" loadouts. You're speaking my language when it comes to Bungie giving us better control over or stick sensitivity and other configs, I just hope they listen and implement it soon.

Last month, I switched to a Dualsense Edge on PS5 from the regular controller because I felt like I was plateau-ing with my controller capabilities. Aim and shoot on the triggers, R1 grenade, L1 hold crouch, X (right paddle) jump, Triangle (left paddle) weapon swap, melee right stick press, sprint left stick. No stick changes, no trigger stops. There’s a ton of stick deadzone settings and button deadzone settings I haven’t used because this is the first time I’ve ever used a controller with paddles-just using default D2 sens (12 and 0.5). It’s been a learning curve, and I don’t see a huge improvement yet other than jumping and aiming together easier. I heard a lot of top controller players play with paddles so I thought it might do me good.

Some of the issues I have with this video among many is that XIM as a standalone device does not run scripts nor does it support macros, you can't buy XIM from a retail store as they have never been stocked or sold in them.

Good Video Cammy. I play on a PS5 with a Dualsense Edge controller. We have those settings in the Edge controller settings on the console itself and we can have multiple configs for different games. It's basically the same thing you just got with your new Xbox controller you were testing and configuring on stream. Only thing is that the Dualsense Edge doesn't have Hal-Effect sticks available for it yet, but at least the sticks themselves are modular and easily replaced. Admittedly been years since I've played any FPS/TPS games on PC(MnK back in the mid-2000s), but I hope this info helps.

I play on Xbox I use an Xbox Elite Series 2 and use the default Xbox accessories app to configure my controller. 3 paddles The two right: my jump and crouch The 1 on left: reload/interact Left/right stick config: Sensitivity curve: instant Curve adjustment: 2/10 Left and right triggers are at 50 for for max input at less trigger pull. The rest of my cofnig, I usually mess with in game settings with whatever game I’m playing. Destiny 2: 105 FOV 16 Sensitivity with a .6 ADS sensitivity modifier Sprint turn scale: .8 That’s my config. Love the content you put out man. I admire the hell out of you! 😁

Would love to hear your opinion on this one. The only "cheat" I ever used in D2 was at the time when sbmm made the network stability so terrible I used a router at which you could limit the distance between you the server and other players. So as an European I made sure I was only playing with other people from Europe and connections were way better for everyone in my lobby's but you could also argue I manipulated matchmaking to ignore sbmm.

I'm a quadriplegic. I don't have any fine motor skills and have been playing destiny since it launched on ps3. I also have been playing destiny 2 on ps4 since it launched. I recently got a computer and have been playing destiny 2 on that. I can only use a controller to play because of my lack of fine motor skills, and I can honestly say that I can't tell the difference between using a Playstation 4 controller or Xbox controller. I also have never used anything to help me with my aiming or recoil as much as I would like to, but I never knew about anything that could help until seeing both yours and aztecross' videos. I can say without a doubt that I will not be buying or using anything to help me if it could lead to me getting banned. I am ok/decent at the game, but I am having a heck of a time getting my suros regime catalyst finished because of my lack of fine motor skills lol.

Destiny 2 Settings: 10 Sens, 0.7 ADS sens Ps5 Pro Controller: Left Stick: Digital +5, Right Stick: Digital -4 OR -2 turning on digital curve makes the joystick function like the d-pad, so you get the instant acceleration while aiming which makes the high deadzone in destiny unnoticeable.

I'm a controller player who wasn't the best but definitely above average, I recently moved to pc in October and mainly made the switch because of xims/Cronus. I had a 3kd in the seasons I played the most and have around 20 or so flawless runs. I'm also an ex top 500 player on overwatch so I feel like I know what I'm talking about when it comes to controller. So when it comes to controller on destiny 2, I completely agree with the game feeling terrible. Especially compared to other games I have played like overwatch and siege. The main way I've gotten around it is having an elite series 2 controller because you can change the tension on the thumb sticks with the tool you get with the controller, I have made them as loose as possible so it requires very little force to move the thumb stick, which in practice makes it feel like you have a lower dead zone. It's not perfect, but it's the closest you could get without any of these modded controllers. My sens on destiny is 16 with ads modifier of 0.9 and I have 4 paddles that I use for dodge jump melee and interact. I have my dodge set to left on the d-pad and melee set to up on the d-pad, then I have back buttons bound to these respectively. The reason I do this is so I can have an uncharged and a charge melee bindings (charged melee being default) on controller and to be able to have my dodge separated from my crouch button so I can dodge instantly without needing to spam a button. I hope this helps you on getting better on controller, it's been awesome to watch.

As someone who play a lot of fps games. My overall skill when up by ~30% when I swapped to a new gen, and even more by buying kontrolfreeks. I also bought a powerA controller with two back paddles. Before that I had a old gen with an elite series controller and I was noticably worse during that. The setting I use as an Xbox player is: 20 look sens, .7 ads modifier, max turn scale, and I have custom binds as follows: alternate weapon on double tap X, super on left D-pad, charged melee on right stock in, uncharged on right bumper, hold crouch on press B, both hunter and titan ability on hold B, warlock on double tap since I use Phoenix dive, and press right on D-pad to pull out my heavy. My two paddles are A (jump) on the left and B (crouch) on the right.

I know why. I always thought I was tripping and this solidified I wasn’t tripping

To the last question: I use PS5 Edge Controller, with a custom curve. It´s really great you can also circumvent the deadzones with it. I use also a Control freak on the right stick

I use a basic PS5 controller on console. Back when I used to main shadebinder I got tired of whiffing my charged melee when wanting to uncharge after a shotgun shot so I keep charged on R1 uncharged on R3. With strand I also changed my my interact button to L2 to quickly grab a tangle after a melee grapple kill, and shoot while reviving. Tougher to pull heavy and die to randomly grabbing a tangle above me when trying to aim but it’s helped me have more semblance of choice 🤷🏼 lol

As an endgame PVP and PVE lover, I will say that this last year really made it obvious that we have a lot of Cronus users. I use kontrol freaks and a pro fusion 2 with paddles. That controller is built like a tank. I tested a Cronus the other day but I stop using it because I am used to controlling the recoil myself after playing fps for 10+ years. It probably would have made me 10% better at aiming but it wasn’t really worth it to me.

I use Razer Wolverine v1 (I prefer V1 over v2), I use the paddles that change the sensitivity in real time I use for turning around instantly (by holding a paddle to increase the sensitivity during the turn), everything else is just standard, I'm a 1.7KD on IB still learning, you might be able to use them to deal with the deadzones but that will require holding another button to increase the sensitivity momentaneously

Hey Cammy. I am a controller user on both console, and PC. I use the elite series 2, with the springs tensioned to the max, and the deadzone set to the minimum I can utilize without drift. I feel what you are saying, with it feeling like it takes forever to start aiming, but I have very few issues. I play with ingame settings of 16 and .5, and It helps my turning ability and macro movements, and with ADS, it slows it considerably to the point the 20 percent is not noticable, as I have to make larger movements to get on point anyway. That has helped a ton and I never use anything outside of default settings, only rebind things to my paddles, and ingame sensitivity is usually enough for me to be decent. I am not a top player. Far from it. However I hold a 1.4 KDA in D2, dont play trials, but I find the gap to be very miniscule between me and my friends on MNK. So there it is

Not played D2 PvP in about 2 months. I use a Dualsense Edge controller, with the two paddles (left paddle mapped to use/revive/reload & right paddle mapped to crouch/slide) and no other settings changed. In game I use the Bumper Jumper layout and I think I changed my melee bind to not be automatic

I haven’t played D2 in quite some time, and whenever I ser your „rant-style“ videos, I feel so sorry. The Game is so lovable and I am broken that I had to give up on this game, cheers that some of you keep up the fight to make PvP somewhat enjoyable. All my love

To answer your final question, Cammy: I've been a console only gamer my whole life and have been playing destiny pvp since 2014 when I was only 11. I'm a good pvp player, not the best of the best like yourself, but definitely in the top 1%. Since D2's launch, I have always solely used an Xbox elite controller, having bought multiple v1s and then the v2 because they break so easily. I use the right paddle to jump and the left paddle to crouch. I have also customized the dead zones in the Xbox controller app. I run 15 sens with 0.8 multiplier, but I do switch it up occasionally. I had no idea that cheating on console was so widespread until the videos from you and Aztecross. Hope my comment can be of some help to you. I love your videos and have been watching you since I was a little kid, and now I'm in college. Keep up the fantastic work.

My Config: I use an elite series 2 (yes they are plagued with issues over time) . Aggressive setting on left thumb stick, default on the right, Shift function on top left paddle. All paddles have a default and shift action. Can be specific if anyone wants to know, but that’s the basics.

I use a Dualsense Edge on PS5 and I enjoy it a lot. It allows me to map my jump and charged melee buttons to paddles to make it a little less awkward to aim/ crouch and jump at the same time, as well as separating my melees into 2 seperate inputs. It doesn’t add new inputs, only allows you to map an existing input to a paddle. This combined with being able to adjust aim response curve as well as deadzones make it worth the price to me. That and if you end up with stick drift you can swap out the analog stick module instead of buying a whole new controller

I’m console for D2, mainly on Xbox Series X but dabble on PS5 here and there too. The controller I use on Xbox is the Wolverine Chroma V2. It has four paddles down the back middle of the controller and two buttons between the bumpers/triggers. I know Razer has an app on Xbox (forgot what it’s called), but you can remap the buttons, paddles, adjust the chroma and I know there is another function on there that I believe is called focus. From what I remember, you basically can assign an input that after it is pressed it will slow down your aiming or at least make your movement a little more intentional. From what I understood, it seemed like it was meant for ADS in FPS games but I could be completely wrong because I don’t use it. I think my settings on D2 itself are set at 7 for sensitivity and button layout is set to puppeteer. As for PS5, I rarely play on there but use the pro controller Sony made for PS5 and it’s alright. It has two paddles on the back that you can swap out similar to the Elite on Xbox, but the battery life is abysmal. I would definitely recommend the Razer Wolverine line though, I got the Wolverine TE a few years back and have stuck with the line and new updated models ever since. The paddle layout for the most part is good and the two buttons in between the bumpers are a game changer. I have jump, crouch, reload and weapon swap all assigned to paddles so my thumbs never leave the sticks. Would recommend that if you’re looking for a good controller, but not sure how much it will help with how D2 feels on console lol. I’m not a pc player and not good at MnK on console games that support it so I’m not too great at knowing the difference. Hope this kinda helped provide some insight!

as someone who sucks at pvp..(varies between 1.1 to 1.5), this opened my eyes a bit...i wouldn't be able to spot a cheater but I did have 2 games back to back where one specific guy had a 54 and 48 kd. i just assumed we came up against a top gamer in pvp and everybody else just sucked.

The only point of the "you'll be banned if your friend is cheating" is to exude social pressure. It's really not something they intended to enforce because of the reasons you gave. Most people don't think critically enough to parse that though.

Hey Cammy, top 1% trials player here on PS5, I use PS pro controller, no dead zone change, I use an a very slight exponential aim curve (native ps pro controller settings that comes with the controller) which allows me to keep low sens at low to moderate stick movement, then faster sens as I push the sticks out to max. 13 sensitivity in game, with a .5 ADS modifier. Hip fire is a huge problem for me, which I know you value though. But you said you want to know so there ya go!

My boy made a PowerPoint presentation and put it on KZfaq. Excellent info btw, loved this.

Hey Cammy, great vid as always. I was curious, since you mentioned it in the PowerPoint, do you have a secondary channel or stream where you play fighting games? I'd be down to watch you, mainly because I've never fully understood the competitive FPS community, speaking as someone who came from the FGC, so seeing someone who's into both would be cool. Anyways, enjoy your day!

The problem with banning fast is that the faster your banwaves come out, the faster the improvement cycle for those cheats. With slow banwaves, someone may get flagged, but not banned for 3 months, this means that the cheat devs have 3+ months of data to sort though to find what got them flagged. If you have 1 week banwaves, they only have a week of data to look through, and can narrow down whats flagging players and bypass it much faster. The better solution is to, instead of banning them immediately, send them into a special cheater prioritized matchmaking, but then you have to try to be very subtle with it so they dont notice.

I now understand why I’m a top 0.1% player who feels invincible. I PLAYED THAT MANY CHEATERS I BECAME THE CHEATER SLAYER so now a normal legit player has no chance.

Top notch video. I 100% want better roller settings, it feels so wacky, borderline relearning how I aim playing other games with specific deadzone settings. I feel like achieving a solution (for me at least) is out of the question, I don’t want to have to spend extra money and/or ruin the fun I have by stressing about the potential of something being banned in the future. It may be a lazy or cop out answer as far as playing to win, but my goal is to have fun.

As someone who has gotten so down bad with controllers that I bought a new scuf controller every 2.5 months for 2 years because their imo planned obsolescence, and in total at least 20 controllers, the first controller to ever hold up and still work like new ootb, is the PDP Victrix Pro BFG. ONLY because it has a feature where you hold down while booting it up while it's plugged in, release down, press X, and then can recalibrate the analog sticks and aim/shoot L2/R2 buttons. A portion of the issue with controllers is their nature after 'X' amount of their own scientific undiagnosable health state. BUT it's still not perfect even with the ability to recal. without a PC or software (still need PC AND a common software glitch that can't be fixed after a computer is marked as bugged out, can only be solved by using another PC and dwnloading the software) Hopefully Bungie can fix this problem once and all their future games/the whole gaming market can get some lock on that standard of customizeablity.. Maybe AI will be able to offer some modularity to these types of things when making an engine 1 day

When I was on console and played a lot, controller felt good. But after going to PC, controller didn't feel great at all. I used a razor wolverine controller with the back paddles being: M6- A M5-B. M3-X. M4-Y. I also played on 8 look sensitivity, maxed turn radius, and 1.4 zoom sensitivity. This made it honestly feel really good to use snipers, tracking weapons like smgs and autos, but did make scots a bit sluggish.

IMO a lot of what was said here I feel can apply to unlockable scrollwheels on mice too, because with an unlockable scroll wheel specifically in D2 you can move wayyyy faster than intended by binding your jump to the scroll wheel because of how the mechanics of our glide and lift jumps work.

Xbox player here. These are the settings I used when had best performance. Xbox Elite Series 2 Right stick the long way. Using the long stick gives you functionally more travel on the stick so you can use a higher sensitivity and still have the same aiming circle in the middle that you would have on a regular stick. Downside is of course the deadzone also doubles in size, but this was a worthwhile trade-off for me. Sensitivity is 12, multipliers are 0.8. I experimented for a while with different aiming curves to try to get over the deadzone issue but they didn't really help. Played using claw and the paddles as D-pads. For clarity, I'm going to use Playstation terms R1, R2, R3, and then R4 and R5 for the top and bottom paddles on the back, respectively. Shoot R2 Aim L2 Reload X Alternate Reload R5 Charged Melee R4 Uncharged Melee R3 Grenade R1 Super L3 (yes sometimes I accidentally super) Jump A Sprint L4 Barricade / Air Dive / Rift L5 Dodge / Icarus Dash / Thruster L1 Swap Weapons Y Heavy Y (Long) I went back and forth between Xbox and my PC for a long time, but I got a new TV that has really atrocious input delay (500-700ms+), so I'm a PC only gamer as of about a month ago.

I use an Elite Series 2 controller. I use all 4 paddles Top right- X button/Reload Bottom right-A button/Jump Top left- Y button/Switch weapons Bottom left- Right stick click/Coruch Both my thumbsticks are set to instant Both my triggers are on 20 I do all this on the Xbox Accessories app I've been using this configuration for years now.

Controller settings are weird, in my opinion. Cuz like you said, it’s hard to make certain things viable in the current sandbox. I use a regular PDP afterglow completely stock, even though it comes with a mapping software. The paddles mesh in nicely with the controller, making it feel like a decided action to press, rather than a miss input from clenching during combat. Having X on one paddle allows me to revive while being able to shoot, and B on the other so I can approach corners at a faster speed to not get laser’d by an SMG toting Titan or a player in the back of the map with a sniper. I had I raise my sensitivity (begrudgingly) to be able to consistently track fast moving opponents, while keeping the zoom sense at a .5 to make those precision shots more viable. I’m by no means an incredible player, but as a casual in the high tier pool with people like Aztec, Jake, Terror and Wallah, I can say it helps for damned sure.

I hate that there is an incentive for companies look the other way because cheaters make them money.

I’m away from the house and don’t remember my settings off-hand but I’ve recently started using a Scuf controller on PS5 and I’ve made a few observations: 1. The instant triggers didn’t help me as much as I expected. During the adjustment period and A-B testing the controllers for their differences (a stock PS5 controller and the Scuf one mentioned), it occurred to me on the regular PS5 controller that I hold the top half of the triggers instead of the bottom half (meaning the distance traveled for the activation press was less on the base controller than what it could be if I held the bottom of the trigger instead, thus bringing it closer into parity with the Scuf). Biggest difference with instant triggers is the comfort of not having to hold as sharp of an angle on the triggers (although you have slightly more travel time to the bumpers if you play further down). 2. Crouch spamming while shooting, even with paddles, feels just as impossible as it did on a stock controller (even with using hold-to-crouch). The pressure from pushing in on the trigger and up on the paddle creates an awkward feeling like the controller wants to jump out of my hand. This and some interpersonal interactions with others have just reaffirmed that crouch spammers might not be entirely legit. 3. The only really quality of life things using back paddles has provided me are: - not having to use a face button to switch weapons thusly eliminating the need to move right thumb off the stick or move two fingers up (I have a habit of playing claw, it comes out more in pve at this point than it does pvp) - being able to slide-crouch cancel easier the way I do it (run, slide, press in on the left stick - I know simply changing crouch from toggle to hold would make this much more easier but I feel like it would create muscle memory that would conflict with my pve habits at this point and I know I would remember to flip-flop the setting between pve and pvp).

I'm not much of a pvp player, but I've been playing D2 for since red war, I now have about 3,000 hours or so. I've spent at least half of that time doing raids, as I believe they are the true pinnacle of the game. That said, I use a regular xbox elite controller, I run 11 sens on both regular and ads. I've only been flawless like 20 times, but I've done 400 VoG. that's just how I play the game.

I have moved to GeForce Now with MnK for Destiny 2 (and most games I play), but back when I did play D2 on console I just used a stock PS4 controller with no modifications except a Kontrol Freak thumbstick extender, and it was good enough for me at the time. I've recently been getting into Overwatch 2 on console and my stock controller with the same Kontrol Freak is excellent, since OW2 gives you TONS of controller settings. I strongly agree that Destiny 2 would benefit from having a lot more controller settings.

Been dealing with this on rainbow 6 siege for almost a decade 💀🙃

I use an Xbox Elite series 2 controller with one back button dedicated to crouch. I also changed the button binds so that my power melee is on the right thumbstick press (finisher is remapped to be both thumbsticks pressed). I've been paying Destiny on console exclusively until about 2 months ago when I got a pc. Going back and forth from kbm to controller is night and day for precision aiming. It takes a lot of time to get used to the dead zones, but if you didn't know you can make the tension on the elite controller thumbsticks tighter on the controller physically itself.

Glad you talked about steaminput. It's such a great feature that lets me play indie shmups that a) dont have great native controller remapping support and/or b) might need autofire to avoid RSI. In a single player game that's really handy, but clearly any sufficiently powerful feature can be misused.