Can A DH Helmet Be Light & Strong? | How KASK Make & Test Superlight Full Face Helmets

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We were invited by Kask, to Bergamo, Italy for a Factory Tour! Kask showed us around their testing facility, including a first look at their new Defender helmet and how they have been rigorously testing it with all kinds of safety checks. Not only is the Defender strong but it's incredibly light! We sat down with the guys at Kask to talk design and hear how they're managed to shed the grams whilst not compromising on safety!
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@bsdthw3235 4 жыл бұрын

I use the Bell Super DH - I can decide very quickly what I like - but I prefer more the Full Face setup when going "downhill". In my opinion your team should use Full Face helmets most of the time because you are role models and have a lot of youngster audience - the more of the "Heroes" use Full Face the more will imitate you. But this is only my narrow perspective ;-) Like your show it's always something new to learn.

@thegrumpyscot1865 4 жыл бұрын

100% agree, i used to only ever ride open face but recently I bought a 661 Reset and its really not that hot to wear and not very restrictive, I can still drink from my camelback with it on too. Given that I value my face, I've seen how fucked up some of my friends have gotten who are damn good riders when they've only been wearing an open face, and how mangled the helmets were afterwards... any time I'm off road the full face goes on now, even if its just a warm-up blast on a blue/red trail. My open face enduro helmet has been reserved for use at the local pump track only, as I'm not really that fast on it yet and bailing is easier and there isn't much to hit into.

@-JohnSmith- Жыл бұрын

That and the super air r offer the best brain protection👍🏼

@Mububban23 4 жыл бұрын

I know plenty of guys who've said "I'm going to buy a full face" AFTER having a crash that involves stitches and losing teeth/expensive dental work. I bought e Fox ProFrame and it is super light, super comfy, and has the best ventilation of any bike helmet I've ever worn, road or MTB. I live in a hot climate and I have no problems, the ventilation is superb. And seeing as how I can go OTB on any sort of trail, it's a full face for me! The only time I wear my open face helmet on my MTB is riding around the neighbourhood or commuting, or doing longer more mellow gravel rides on fire roads.

@jonathanbenayoun4907 4 жыл бұрын

Mububban23 i would not recommend that helmet whatsoever. My buddy crashed in one. Went otb and it broke... on the chinbar. He had just got the the helmet too and it actually ended up causing more damage as the upper part of the chinbar broke off gott shoved in his mouth and left his tounge hanging by a thread. Just bite the bullet and get a real full face

@mtbboy1993 3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanbenayoun4907 that's horrible, thank you for sharing, I was skeptical but that story proves my suspicions. I will definitely not buy that helmet. DH helmets only for me.

@zIniquiity 4 жыл бұрын

Full face anytime I’m single track riding. Trees and face don’t mix.

@donchristie420 4 жыл бұрын

Logan Todd I’m a tree hugger- at 30 mph 😵 full face😉

@willbennett7107 4 жыл бұрын

Same here mate not worth the risk 👍

@edensgardenshed9622 4 жыл бұрын

What full face helmets are recommended for everyday trail riding.

@HarryKuloh 4 жыл бұрын

@@edensgardenshed9622 TLD Stage. Look no further and dont waste your time looking beyond that. You will thank me

@the_spanner_ch7mp 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting and insightful video Doddy. I use and Poc Tectal all the time, I don't visit bike parks but I am considering it, will definitely look into to getting a full face for that. Great work GMBNTech 👊👍

@turiiista15 4 жыл бұрын

I like to think of it this way: A single-tooth dental implant cost between $1,000 and $3,000(average). And my full face helmet a fox rampage costs around 139 dollars. That's good enough for me.

@brandong6632 3 жыл бұрын

Just bought the same helmet! It’s coming in tomorrow.

@cornishcactus 4 жыл бұрын

"I've recently been to Italy" Furiously wipes the monitor down

@daffylee1 4 жыл бұрын

I wear both, trail riding I wear open face, and bike parks/downhill trails I wear full face

@sketchy1792 4 жыл бұрын

Doddy, your hair is on point in this video - Max Headroom would be jealous!

@sbdruitt 4 жыл бұрын

Full face all the way. Obviously for XC and light trails then use an open face, but anything remotely gnarly it's just sensible to have a full face (plus they look cool).

@TrailFeatures 4 жыл бұрын

With how aggressive trail riding is getting, it's making more and more sense to wear a light full face. Helmets like the Troy Lee Design Stage or Fox Proframe are super light and very breathable. I just got the TLD Stage and wore it in 18*-24*C (65*-75*F) weather. It was a bit warmer than a half shell, but no where near as stuffy as my DH helmet. Well worth the extra protection while riding a local double-black trail.

@Mububban23 4 жыл бұрын

I've got the ProFrame and ventilation on it is the best of any helmet I've ever owned, road or MTB!!!

@stuartwoodburn2653 4 жыл бұрын

I have had a crash and have brain damage and I was wearing a budget helmet. I now know how important it is to get best helmet you can afford. I still do some riding but as my balance as been damaged not as much I would like. I wear a open face as I only ride trails, please if you are jumping or riding park/downhill get a full face. Damage your brain or nerves it does not get better, enjoy your riding and protect your head.

@adammattessich1260 4 жыл бұрын

I've always been an appropriate helmet for the terrain sort of guy which generally meant my Carbon TLD D3 Full Face for DH or park and a well ventelated trail helmet for everything else. Between a bad crash and airy new enduro helemts I've just picked up a Bell Super Air R and will never go back. Its as light as the average trail helmet, as ventilated as most XC lids, and the chin bar goes on/off in seconds. I always ride with a medium hydration pack so the chinbar easily goes in the back on climbs, fire roads etc. The fox Proframe was a close runner up. The chin bar was just as airy but the helmet was not and it was a bit heavier. As more co's make light convertible Full Faces there won't be a reason not to.

@charlie9ine 4 жыл бұрын

Full face now for practically everything. With the newest tech I don’t see any downside and a lot of upside. I thought I would feel a lot of difference but first ride I got used to it and now I can’t see any reason to go back. Best upgrade I’ve made in a long time

@geemail369 4 жыл бұрын

🤔 I remember there was a debate on wether downhill helmets should be tested by *motorcycle standards* - due to the fact that the forces applied in case of a crash are actually more similar to the ones occuring in a motorcycle accident than just casual (road) cycling, wich the tests seem to be designed around. Notice the dude at 0:33 riding?! _Definately_ exceeding the 16.4 / 19.5 km/h mentioned at 12:10 - imo it would make more sense to run tests for motorcycle impacts than the ones just matching light roadie bicycle riding!

@thegrumpyscot1865 4 жыл бұрын

I've heard of people using MotoX helmets for DH riding purely because they pass the motorbike testing which greatly exceeds the cycling industry tests.

@lemo_manda6076 4 жыл бұрын

You are right!

@geemail369 4 жыл бұрын

There's definately some *"taste"* to the way products and their intended use/environment are getting advertised and what is tested for.

@HankBizzle 4 жыл бұрын

Only problem is that MX helmets are generally a good bit heavier than mtb specific full face helmets and not as well ventilated. I know MX is very physical but you don't have to pedal quite as much 😅

@geemail369 4 жыл бұрын

@@HankBizzle Keep in mind that an MX helmet's venting is designed around higher speeds pushing air in, so using them for MTB'ing will result in less efficient cooling.

@evelasq1 4 жыл бұрын

I have been riding in the city and I have always worn my helmet that is not full face. Helmets does save lives from impacts. Now I am using the MIPS system as an upgraded safety measure.

@leighclark969 3 жыл бұрын

I'm somewhat new to trail riding, picked up my first full suspension late last year. I ride with a fox Proframe, maybe a bit over the top on a more XC style park but you never know. I'm waiting on a fox Rampage Pro that I scored for 40% off RRP because I've started to dabble in black diamond trails which are a little more DH and generally have more rock gardens and slabs

@underbikedoverconfident1142 4 жыл бұрын

The testing info is super useful to know.

@guillermoqueirolo6533 4 жыл бұрын

Great factory video Doddy...i use to differen helmets depends of the trail but my Bell fullface is mandatory💥 to use on hard bike ways like hi mountain, bike park, enduro, drops and jumps🚲👍

@tyersonline 4 жыл бұрын

GMBN. Awesome video, as a beginner (starting to go faster downhill) i'd prefer the full lid especially around rocky terrain. I have a Bell full 9 fusion. Fibre shell.

@Pastamistic 4 жыл бұрын

I wear full face for practically all of my mountain biking now. My Troy Lee Designs Stage has tons of ventilation I find it isn't any hotter than any of my previous open face helmets. The fit is also excellent but I also come from a motocross backround so the fit is also very familiar to me. I only use open face on easy flat trails where I do my recovery rides just so I don't look like a knob wearing a full face on a flat easy trail. Also, I've never hit my face/chin guard even during the 15 years of motocross before I got into mountain biking. But you can't change your helmet mid-crash when you see that tree/rock/root/dirt rushing straight toward your face.

@alexanderalderfalk7932 4 жыл бұрын

Would be cool to see these tests on a hybrid DH helmet. Like the Giro Switchblade, or the Bell Super DH.

@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ 4 жыл бұрын

It is very rare hybrids are certified for DH, but there are some.

@alexanderalderfalk7932 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ I know. Like the two I mentioned. :)

@William-Bill-Munny 4 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderalderfalk7932 hahaha derp de derp de derp. Thumbs up

@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ 4 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderalderfalk7932 If they are certified, I would expect no difference in performance.

@alexanderalderfalk7932 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ Well, perhaps not. But I've heard stories about chinguards breaking off etc. Hence why it would be interesting to see a proper video on the subject. :)

@timgarland8619 4 жыл бұрын

More of this sort of thing , please!

@bluestraycat 4 жыл бұрын

Really, really interesting Doddy! Also interesting to read the comments from riders who only wear full face now. Could be a full face for me in the near future

@wesellis4135 4 жыл бұрын

I have always rode with an open face. I have been considering a full face soon though since seeing two of my riding mates face plant in the last month. I also saw a young kid go over his bars on Friday and break his nose face planting the floor. Oh yeah and we all saw Neil face plant at windhill not long ago. All these things are making me want a full face, considering all these accidents have happened during normal riding conditions with nothing overly gnarly going on.

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Helmets like this are helping to remove that last barrier of a full face helmet, making them more breathable and of course lighter for use year round!

@Manimal666 4 жыл бұрын

I use a hybrid full face, Bell Super 2R, but always have the chin bar attached. I'd rather have the protection and not need it than not have the protection and need it.

@dazaladz 4 жыл бұрын

I use my airoh carbon Kevlar motocross helmet on the mtb. It’s only like 980grams I think so not too heavy, has lots of padding tho so can get a bit warm on the uphills but Not too bad

@thomaskerr2477 4 жыл бұрын

Nice video thanks,i have bells second generation convertible helmet so if want were face gaurd i can with out need carry 2 helmet's , plus got at good price

@5492sparky 4 жыл бұрын

A superb vid. Very interesting.

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark!

@riggidybang 4 жыл бұрын

Nothing on a climb up and full-face everywhere else - broken jaws and missing teeth just don't seem worth the trade off for the style of a 3/4...

@daedelus6602 4 жыл бұрын

Racing helmet Double D links also easier to get fit correctly, all other types u must check constantly.

@kianferre5727 4 жыл бұрын

Wow cool video

@dtjb1962 4 жыл бұрын

Full face helmet anytime I go off road I’ve destroyed too many pairs of prescription eye glasses when wearing open face

@szymonporebski1267 4 жыл бұрын

I like the name of the company, KASK :p that just means "helmet" in polish

@BowlGOfficial 4 жыл бұрын

aswell as in russian and other countries with likewise language

@Rqoiz 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's an old name for helmet in swedish as well. The police helmet is still called kask here.

@Spellscape 4 жыл бұрын

@@BowlGOfficial каска in Russian

@szymonporebski1267 4 жыл бұрын

All right guys, I just mean that in polish it is written exactly the same way ;) not каска, casco or whatever, just "kask"

@archetypex65 4 жыл бұрын

If memory serves me correct, Kask were a spin-off of Suomy brand Italy. I believe Suomy was manufacturing Kask helmets when Kask first started but then may have become their own company I'm not sure if they're still owned by Suomy. I suspect that they do because Doddy mentioned the motorcycle helmet test heads, since Kask doesn't make Moto Helmets, which leads me to believe that they're still part of the company. Either way, great helmets. 👍

@James-dn1hu 4 жыл бұрын

Really interesting video

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks James!

@museves 4 жыл бұрын

Not sure why am I watching this seriously..... but yeah, it means business. Great presentation!!!!

@Girldadlife 4 жыл бұрын

I think with the new enduro style full face helmets we will see more people running full face more often than not. I’m considering a lightweight full face myself for general riding not just racing and park. You have one head. Better safe than sorry.

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Faith! The lighter weight helps remove that extra barrier to wearing a full face all the time!

@blackdevil7183 4 жыл бұрын

if the helmet crack if i drop it then its usles i mean what abaut if i crash it foudent be abel to protect me at 5 km/h let alovn at 40km/h

@MaplePanda04 4 жыл бұрын

Black Devil It cracked because it “saved” you from that light impact, the same way it would have saved you in a faster crash. The helmet can only save you once.

@dimitrijestepanovic8427 4 жыл бұрын

i love you guys so much i watch you every day

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much!

@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 4 жыл бұрын

When I got a DH full face briefly (never ridden it, decided I won't be needing it for my empty head) it was very tight, very difficult to slide over ears, cheeks were squeezed tightly, so it probably was the right size, although could be a bit wider for the ears - I felt literally claustrophobic in it, no joke. And for polish sahara-like recent summers, I was very worried about seriously dangerous level of overheating my head. You know air expands in hot weather, the more of it in empty head, the more it expands ;-p No but seriously, it was hot and claustrophobic. Not a nice feeling. And it was about 140 euro, so not some crap.

@jonathantatler 4 жыл бұрын

This testing looks brilliant, far in excess of my reading of the 1078 standards

@georgeshanson8978 4 жыл бұрын

Kask partnership coming up?

@mtbboy1993 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder why they decided to have metal screws on the helmet. but I like that the helmet has a round shape and has a spot for the goggle strap to go into, but it's not sharp edges, or stick out too much.

@joshgracin59 Жыл бұрын

Are resistance band weights accurate?

@BowlGOfficial 4 жыл бұрын

did you get to italy before the outbreak panic started?

@XavieRibeiro25 4 жыл бұрын

#askgmbntech hello doddy, I currently run a 2015 Boxxer RC that came with my sacaren myst that I bought used. I think the coil is loose because I can listen to a light tap when it recovers. Compression adjustment has 10 clicks, but they seem a bit useless because it's either soft or stiff as a rock. Question is: will a good maintenance make the fork work that much better, or should I just try to sell this fork and get a Team Or WC version, as apparently the charger damper in them is amazing. The fatigue in my hands and arms after 5 full downhill runs is bad enough for me to stop riding that day. Thank you for the help.

@edensgardenshed9622 4 жыл бұрын

What are everyone’s favorite full face helmets for single track or general trail riding?

@HarryKuloh 4 жыл бұрын

TLD Stage. Look no further. Thank me later

@cove6433 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 2008 full sus with disc brakes. They have a corrosive fluid in them as opposed to mineral oil. They are in need of a bleed, but would you recommend getting a new set instead.

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

No not at all! They'll just be DOT fluid, which is mildly corrosive yes, but still used in some braking systems today!

@benrankin9437 4 жыл бұрын

Damn camera never really shows how rough sheep skull and ski run are at FOD (Cannop Cycle Center)

@canegrimey 2 жыл бұрын

Full face all the time even on my commute. I've seen what can happen in a car vs bike accident even at 5 mph. The world isn't perfectly safe. Be safe out there people

@barneyclifton6402 4 жыл бұрын

I really don't like open face for anything more than just riding around locally on my bike. Cross Country is fine on an open face. DH, enduro and DJ should be full face. I've wiped out on the bmx track so many times, that chingaurd is a lifesaver.

@pockets.the.coyote 4 жыл бұрын

#askgmbntech Did you discuss the considerations for testing helmets with simulated cameras mounted to them? A chin mounted camera may alter the deflection, while other mounts may result in a smaller, more direct, point of impact, or perhaps the mounts fail and they don't change a thing?

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

We didn't no as the helmets are safety tested without the extra aftermarket item attached. We know there's some good research happening by both helmet cam companies and third parties going on out there!

@solbel5207 4 жыл бұрын

#askgmbntech Hi guys! Love your Chanel, I have a Santa Cruz tallboy with fox 34 with a 140 mm of travel on the front. Can I change the travel to 150? If I can how do I do it? Also, will I be able to to ride in Vallonord bike park in Andorra with 140 mm of travel? Or it's not inuff?

@scott9660 3 жыл бұрын

Serious Innovation, time for a full face helmet. 150th comment

@fetB 2 жыл бұрын

10:18 not a good reason. Not only could responders easily be educated on other methods within 5min via a simple flyer or image/pdf for that matter, manufacturers could add red arrows to their lock. Ultimately, im sure the quickness of better locks, outweighs familiarity with antiquated stuff

@reneh.6551 4 жыл бұрын

I use open helmet as I mostly ride intermediate trails with occasionally single black diamond segments... 95% of the riders use open face. I like to go fast on downhills but I feel I would look weird or "overdressed" using a full face helmet. I think I'll might get a full face when visiting other more challenging trails (all single or double black diamond)...

@EmM-ko7mu 4 жыл бұрын

I assume this we prerecorded way before the lock down

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Way before!

@ThisOldPanda 4 жыл бұрын

Game... take a shot every time brutal or serious/seriously is said 🤣

@unknownboi. 4 жыл бұрын

“A dh helmet can be light and strong but another of its qualities is being too expensive”

@bryanelbaz9684 4 жыл бұрын

#askgmbntech Hello, Is it possible to mix and match brake pads: using one resin and one metalic on the same caliper to have the durability of the metalic and the instant brake of the resin. Thanks

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

It is yes, but then you'd also have to keep a close eye on pad wear as one would wear quicker than the other!

@kinangeagle133 4 жыл бұрын

Italy

@pawewielgus2105 4 жыл бұрын

open for commuting, full everywhere else, dentist services are expensive and you need to find that broken tooth on the trail - so keeping that in mind i choose full.

@lorenzoatzori7974 4 жыл бұрын

How was it possible to come to Italy with this terrible situation

@tomihenrik4387 4 жыл бұрын

Why do you assume this was recorded yesterday?

@reubenneate3492 4 жыл бұрын

Since I've ridden with a fullface I just feel vulnerable and unsafe with an open face

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

It depends on the trails, but this kind of lightweight full face helps offset that factor

@archetypex65 4 жыл бұрын

FF 👍

@niteryder50 4 жыл бұрын

Depends on trails and how ventilated full face is. Fox proframe is great for loads of protection and still can ride all day in, but for long grade 3 rides open helmet all you need. At bike park best to run full face

@uptospeedofficial 4 жыл бұрын

i hope you have a safe trip #coronavirus

@HankBizzle 4 жыл бұрын

If it wasn't for the fashion police I'd probably quite happily wear a full face all the time. Just now I wear open face for tamer trails and full face for gnarly stuff.

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Fashion police won't be after you with some of the options these days! There's some amazing looking lightweight helmets on offer these days.

@stanp2281 4 жыл бұрын

Oh no not Italy 😱

@royshaw9299 4 жыл бұрын

What is the best hack for buying helmets

@riggidybang 4 жыл бұрын

Buy them in bulk for a quantity discount

@willcarlson8279 4 жыл бұрын

Now I know why they cost so much

@trailfork7815 4 жыл бұрын

doddy wtf you doin in italy

@ambalee 4 жыл бұрын

New sponsor?!

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Nope, just working with Kask to show you all the technology and testing that goes into creating lightweight helmets without sacrificing safety!

@ambalee 4 жыл бұрын

@@gmbntech Oh ok. Only because I remembered your Vittoria factory tour then you switched to them months after 😅.

@cameronread5779 4 жыл бұрын

Italy? Corona

@mrturbo6732 4 жыл бұрын

He said that they invited him to Italy, oh no

@soggybumsmtb2337 4 жыл бұрын

How the hell did doddy get to Italy

@dylanhansen8158 4 жыл бұрын

@rideanddrive7346 4 жыл бұрын

All ways wear full face

@-JohnSmith- Жыл бұрын

The flaw of this helmet testing is it's testing the strength of the helmet, it needs to test the g's transferred to the Head form, even the best helmets don't account for a lighter small head needing softer foam because of less Mass at the same speed it needs to be softer.

@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 4 жыл бұрын

I wish well ventilated full face light enduro helmets would start at low prices and creep up like we see with all bicycle components and accesories. But they didn't, not very logical for a single impact item.

@MilkPepsi 4 жыл бұрын

Are you grzegorz brzęczyszczykiewicz ?lol

@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 4 жыл бұрын

@@MilkPepsi Nie, wystarczy mieć na imię Maciek, żeby anglojęzyczni mieli masakryczny problem z wymówieniem lub przeczytaniem takiego imienia. Wiem bo byłem ;-) Na Grzegorza mówią Greg gdy już się dowiedzą, moje imię nie ma odpowiednika.

@hierotochan 4 жыл бұрын

I really hope this was filmed months ago, or that you're not coming back to the UK for a fortnight.

@gmbntech 4 жыл бұрын

Filmed over a month ago yes! Unfortunately this area has been hit pretty hard and our thoughts are with the people here at a difficult time.

@jonathanzappala 4 жыл бұрын

A test to see if the helmet can get ripped off you head is good and all, but what’s the point of the consumer purchases a helmet that is too big?

@alireza071 3 жыл бұрын

Any of this test and weight is not accurate as when fall happen its not only the head weight there but all the body if u head up first so they supposed to hold up with at leat 100kg of body weight plus the speed of fall witch it made the weight much more so I don't really think they are safe

@declanmolloy764 4 жыл бұрын

I can see red 🤕

@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 4 жыл бұрын

11:27 It's funny, that whenever there is a trip to a factory, on this or any other channel, every company likes to exceed the testing requirements, and "it can be different with other companies"....So who are those other companies, if EVERY time on a factory trip, they exceed? ;-)

@userbarny6271 4 жыл бұрын

just as useless as the tests at Canyon, that's a minimum requirement to be CE compliant. At Canyon, the bikes still fall apart at the customer, KZfaq is full of them. Maybe ND should have been wearing one when he went on his nose with his video "How to avoid accidents". maybe the 500 € helmet would have helped, lol