Facebook: facebook.com/metaldetectingnyc Instagram: instragram.com/metaldetectingnyc TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@metaldetectingnyc

By the time I was into detectors in the 70's , the majority of parks were cleaned out of silver coins and rings down to 8 inches. Some of us learned 'tricks' like dropped threshold and reverse disc, and we cleaned out parks down to the 10 to 12 inch level. By the 1980's most parks were a desert, all from analog detectors. I loved watching the meter bounce as another information stream, something I miss today. That bar light on your machine is a poor substitute but seems to work, trust me, the meters would bounce around in such a way as to give you that info and much more.

The Tesoro Vaquero is one of the three best machines I've ever used (and that's coming from a Deus/Deus II user). It's all knobs and just a single tone, which forces you to REALLY learn what subtle changes in the quality of the audio mean. That's helped me when I hunt with other machines. Even when I'm out with the Deus II, I'll often leave the remote in my pocket and hunt just by tones. This leads to some of my most successful hunts. I think every serious detectorist should have an analog machine in their lineup.

I run a Nexus V2 & V3, it does take a little bit of understanding with regards to ground balancing and it is all about the tones - metal detecting with your ears and not an LCD screen. With the depth on the Nexus, you have to be prepared to dig deep 😂 Paul Warren has an amazing collection of videos on using the Nexus, I found them invaluable 👍

My father used to love the Tesoro and he was a loyal Whites user. Tesoro ran a higher frequency then the other machines at that point in time. They didn't do as well on deep coins but truthfully most targets aren't that deep. With analog detectors you learn to hear a difference in targets. You can almost tell a bottle cap from other junk or coins because some bottle caps are a bimetal and they can't be disc'd out by any machine but your ear learns the sound using analog as the sound kind of drags instead of pops. I can tell some iron nails by ear with my pulse inductor that hits everything equally but the audio drags out over iron as opposed to pops over non ferrous. And the audio bangs over silver and pure copper targets.

I can't wait to see your Nexus tests. 🙌 Btw: I love my Tesoros, and miss my White's XLT.

Some of the old Tesoro analogs were very good at target separation and depth once you trained your ear to them.

Had a Nexus in my arsenal for a long time… saved for special occasions like when I have cleared all obvious targets with other detectors… prepare to go through batteries galore or bring two sets of rechargeables!

Fantastic Video.....I have wondered this for a while. I have also watched NEXUS videos and was amazed. This is spot on. The depth is what grabbed my attention. My area and town in the 1800 had no curbs. Curbs were added in the early 1900 and then they back filled the area, effectively adding up to 16" of fill dirt....so to get to Old original ground you have to get deep.....the tone issue is spot on....Meryl your awesome for this video....digging 24" holes would be a bit much but the stuff out of reach is real...

As a musician that has worked with audio for over 50 years, I can easily see why analog would do a better job than digital. Even to this day, many people don't realize that the new digital audio age does not give you better sound, but better features to work with it. True audio sound is in the form of analog. It only makes sense that, tone-wise, the analog of old is far from dead.

I have owned two nexus, a coronado and a standard MP to date, this is the deepest I have had on an isolate coin silver or gold in the ground they are really deep for the beach I prefer pulse induction..

Tesoro had a huge following and still does. I've owned a Stingray and still have my Stingray 2 which are both freshwater machines. The stingray's was one of the only water machines out that could find small gold chains. Even though it's a single tone I could tell the size/depth of a target. I almost took it out to the lake yesterday because I can swing it faster and easier in the water with it's thin flat 8 inch coil. The guy using them at the park for jewelry knows he don't need a lot of depth or VDI numbers because your gonna dig everything from foil up unless it's deep. These DD coils are hot on the sides. My X-terra, I use water hunting mainly now, can't get withing 3 feet of metal play equipment. The Tesoro he uses with the 3 inch coil can get right next to the poles where others can't. I find myself always looking at VDI numbers just so i can make a guess before digging. Makes it more fun, but does waste time. You can even let the VDI talk you out of digging a target. The sad truth is for surface finds down to 3-4 inches where most rings are found, Mom and her kids with a cheap 100.00 metal detector will do as well as any in most cases once they learn how to use the machine, yet i see people on videos say you need this higher multi-frequency machine to find the gold. Nautilus metal detectors were a favorite among relic hunters and some coin hunters back when everyone else was going to VDI and digital screens and still have a huge following today with relic hunters. The Tesoro's and a few others had dual discrimination setting that you could switch between with a trigger on the handle. You could set one above pulltabs and one below pulltabs to find gold rings that came in below pulltabs. The parks then had so many pulltabs it was impossible to accept gold and nickels in that range. Even though they are cool I have no desire to go back to those machines. I have a Whites XLT E series with a 3 inch coil and a 9 inch coil for tot lots and park jewlery hunting that hard to beat. It pinpoints much easier than these DD coils and gives me very accurate depth for cherry picking surface finds.

If I dug a hole that deep it would have been a nail

Paul Warren has great content on the Nexus MP V3. The only problem I see with the 60" coil is it does not fit in the car. we will figure out how to get the excavator to the park later.

I had (still have) the Tesoro Lobo Super Traq and no other detector found me so much gold jewelry in parks then this one. Not very deep and you dug more thash but the reward was worth it.

Merrill, This will be very interesting seeing your take on the Nexus once you receive yours. You might also consider picking up a used older analog detector. There are many to choose from from that era and yes, Tesoros are very popular and still work. However, be aware that the analog vs. digital is not the only difference between the older analog detectors and newer digital multi-frequency units. For example, back in the analog days, virtually every analog detector used a concentric coil. DD coils only became popular thanks to Minelab. Concentric coils require overlapping your swings so as not to miss targets. Analog detectors were also limited in depth. I'll give you an example. Years ago the White's XLT was the premier top-of-the-line detector in the world. Guys used them and hunted parks to death and once they targets diminished they declared the parks to have been cleaned out. Then came Minelab. First with BBS with the Sovereign and then with FBS with the Explorer and both with DD coils. Suddenly these very same hunted out parks were producing deeper finds. What happened? The XLT, like other detectors of the day, had reached a depth limit that multi-frequency detectors punched through. Not to mention that you didn't need to overlap sweeps with a DD coil. Go back and look at posts from the days of the Explorer. You will be astonished at the finds that were made from hunted out sites. Perhaps the Nexus has taken analog to another level. It's hard to tell from the video you posted. That's why I think if you want to give a true indication of how the Nexus performs you should consider using an older analog detector for comparison. You take a very studied approach to your testing and I think I speak for a lot of your viewers that this Nexus test is one we are all interested in seeing. William

I was JUST about to release a video to this effect. Already filmed two weeks ago and in the queue for a week from Friday. I asked a similar question-does multi frequency really outperform single frequency? I borrowed a Nox 800 and logged 75 hours on it in the Louisiana heat. And hunted the same ground I dug with my Fisher F75. The results were eye opening. So stay tuned for those… In the meantime I’ll just say that I logged over 20 years on a 1266-X and I got so adept at it that I could differentiate a silver dime from a clad dime with nothing more than a few knobs. Our hobby needs to realize that the Truth is not about finds made. Anyone with any machine who digs long enough will find something good. Thanks for putting this out there. Looking forward to hearing your analog report and let’s just say that nail test blew me away. Not many detectors that can approach that and not sure that any can equal it.

My Dad and I still have White’s MXT All Pros. They have a digital display but all of the controls are analog. They can still hold their own against the modern field of machines. I have three modern machines which I love, but it’s nice to fall back on my old MXT or our M6 which are still fun to use. My first machine was a Tesoro Inca and it still runs! As a 12 year old kid I saved all summer to get that machines and I found a ton of stuff with it. I think that there is room for everything out there, its just a question of getting a coil over the target. Thanks for your videos!

I have already switched back to the good old Analog detector, This summer was my first one with a Digital detector, The Legend, and I was so horribly disappointed, I went back to a homemade Whites IDX pro.

Analog audio is much cleaner sounding than digital !!

It would be interesting to see your new analog vs D2 or MC in an established test garden. Results are going to vary from site to site, but just to get a baseline.

Can't wait to see what you find.Good Luck.

I used to have the fisher 1260x and 1265x. The 1260 i think had a better sound. You should try to get one of those. It goes back to the late 80s. Really great detectors.

Excellent video. I’m a relatively new detectorist and I am just now getting into how detectors actually work. This has greatly complicated the amount of knowledge I need to attain.

I’ve been running a White’s 6000 Di pro for about 30 years for everything from coin popping to Civil War relic hunting and I’ve generally run circles around my detecting buddies all using high dollar digital detectors. I’ve followed a few guys and had some nice finds that they passed over or missed completely

My best find was with a Tesoro Tejon. I have a Troy X3 and Tesoro Lobo Super Traq for my analog machines. Although I primarily use an ORX and Deus 1 , the analogs are just simpler and do work well in iron. The Tejon went to a friend overseas that had to sell his due to financial reasons, so I wanted him to be able to get back to the field and find the amazing finds that he contributes to one of his national museums.

Good video and thanks. I got on to your channel b/c I was also wondering what they had on the analog side. Thinking of course of the parks I searched to death b/c they were honey holes still had some out of reach. This would be a definite game changer.

Analog is something that really does not fail often. But the tones once you get to actually learn them and can recognize the tones. When i use to do it tears ago, this is exactly what is key, it in some cases is very little, so most do not put in the years it takes to really memorize to memory and then be able to recall the tones. Only people who really do this full time and a re willing to put the time in, because its going to take the time. Think ofvit like songs so close that only people who really know it can sort it out.

Found this video really refreshing. As said before been beach detecting for 30 years and in my stable of machines I always keep at least one analog machine. At present it’s the CScope 770xd non-motion. For dry sand heavy trashy areas for recent drops you can beat it even with my minelabs or Noktas. I dig so few if any bottle caps in these heavy contaminant sites as it picks them out with a set specific grunt and the audio tones give so much info. No you don’t get any serious depth with it - but for hoovering up coins and jewellery in summer - love it and same for other analogs I’ve owned over the many years - fishers whites Viking’s etc

the problem with the nexus is setting it up you will need a while to get used to it but with the right settings you can get quiet a bit deeper than with not so well adjusted settings... like always practise makes perfect :) greetings from bavaria

This is one of your top three videos you have made so far. So naturally I gave it the thumbs up. I started out detecting in 1983 with my very own detector. (I had borrowed some others with little success.) The detector was analog and by golly it did a fine job. For about 15 years that's what I used, then I went digital. The analog detectors needed ground balanced when ever you crossed from a sandy to a clay soil and vice versa. There was also some knob fiddling to get the best results. Forgetting would result in instability. At Kent State University in the square outside the big dorms was a radio tower, and when my detector got within fifty yards it went haywire. No amount of adjusting would fix it. My friend had a Garrett and it didn't affect it. Large three phase buried underground cables drove it nuts. (Just like the ATPro.) I'm hoping Nexus cured or at least tamed those problems. When I was detecting in Germany, I had planned to go see a distributer of Nexus detectors, but a bout of Covid and "home" quarantine canceled that plan. I am strongly interested in your findings with the Nexus. I look forward to checking your progress in the black dirt in the farms of upstate NY. Good luck and the very best from the Fiedlers of North Carolina.

I love my analogs from the 80's, I got a lot from my old analog meters and got so many coins back then.

Could you imagine what people would think if you hit the beach with that huge coil..lol Good video for food for thought.. Thanks for sharing.. Peace

I've found gold and bunches of silver just ground looking on a good spot in the surf when the sand was really washed out in winter.

Love your channel man. Thanks for the insights and the lessons!

Still use my Whites DiPRO 5900. It's still got it. Especially on the beach. You can adjust everything. Too bad Whites didn't modernize

My first detector was a BFO machine Bounty Hunter I, then I graduated to a brand new White's Coinmaster IV in 1975. I hunted mostly at night to avoid people bothering me. There was no lit up screen of course. Even in the daytime I rarely looked at the meter. The sounds were very distinct between coins, pulltabs, and foil. My ears were a lot better then, lol. I used analog machines only up until 2016. I recently purchased a 1989 White's 6000 DI Pro. It is in mint condition. I love taking it out occasionally. It is a great machine. The weight is what stops me from using it very often. I swing a Deus I now because of the weight issue.

Well from my experience,on ancient sites you are never going to find a soil so clean where the only target you got is a bronze coin ,the soil there will be a mixt of lead/iron/ so finding a coin so deep is kinda hard ,you need the right clean soil

For unmasking, my tesoro disc circuits kill it. Can beep on a dime with 3 rusty nails on top. Im also a weird one that likes concentric instead of DD, but my soil allows it Once upon a time thw closest i ever got to digital was the deleon. Still love that machine. I had it sent to tesoro before closing and had it gone through and had an old troy shadow x2 coil (tesoro made to troy specs) rewound and the machine set to it since it doesnt have ground balance. Best coin machine ive ever used. Still to date.

I just had my Garrett GTA 550 fixed And really looking forward to using it 👍

Let's not forget about how many lives and limbs were saved over the years by analog detectors. More precious than metal.

kind of nice to go back to an analog on sound alone with out any vdi try it some time

Still have my 80's Bounty Hunters and my parents Compass detectors. They can still do the job. Heck my 13 year-old son when he was 7 pulled a 1953 Quarter in the front yard using a Coin Hustler. That's what got him into the hobby to this day. He runs the Vanquish 440. Truth is, if you use the machine at hand correctly and use your ears for light signals, you will find whats beneath your feet... Too many people look at VDI's and leave stuff behind..

wow i had no idea these were still being made... awesome info

Great Video Merrill! I seen your list for videos released in 2023. There are a couple channels I follow where they use Fisher’s . Still a digital detector but not on your list 🤓

With my old Fisher 1260x, learning target sounds was pretty easy. If it was totally waterproof, and had a coil with cutouts so being in water wasn't such a pain, i wouldn't think about upgrading. And yes, you can sure hear silver in a bunch of iron trash. Even with bottle caps next to it.

I started with a whites 5900 about 20 years ago . Shortly after I switched to the fisher 1266. Finally went digital last year with the Deus2.

Wow, I guess I need to start saving again...for a backhoe too.

Just gone away from my old faithful nox to a sovereign elite and 15inch coil because the nox could not cope as well on the finds sat a two ft down in the black sand and clay bed of the beach. My mates legend is the same the sovereign just gives that lovely single tone job done dig it

I think the rings he's talking about are silver... Those detectors are good for coins and silver..... I loved how my Tesoro silver umax performed.. I could tell if it was a coin by the sound and crispness of the sound.. Not good in saltwater...

I never had much luck with the one analogue detector I have, a Garrett Scorpion Gold Stinger, that I bought 2nd hand in the 90's, but I'm not sure that I ever figured out how to use it right and/or it just might not be working right. Regardless, digital or analogue i love that RGB LED meter on the nexus, that would really fit for how my brain works.

Analog + concentric coil excellent in high iron infested areas

The primary thing going on with a metal detector is the time alternating magnetic field interacting with the object in the ground. Both analogue and digital machines emit the same magnetic field (assuming same frequency and coil shape/size). Neither one has any special 'magic' going on that the other does not have access to in regard to the meat and potatoes of the situation. The difference comes down to the model of the detector itself and how that signal is processed. A digital metal detector can produce as much nuance in tone as an analogue detector. A digitally sampled signal for a 15khz detector can be sampled at a maximum of 7.5 khz (Nyquist frequency). 7.5 khz is 7,500 times per second that the detector can take a reading and adjusts its tone. No human can hear a meaningful difference between an analogue signal and a digital one given sufficient sample rate.

I can't wait to see your reviews of the Nexus machines. The detector I use most is a Tesoro Tejon. I hunt extremely trashy lake shores with billions of cans, pull tabs, bottle caps, fishing weights and zinc cents. The sound is single tone, but I can set the manual discrimination to just weed out zincs and can dig copper, clad and silver coins/jewelry and very few junk targets. I can pick out pull yabs, aluminum bottle caps and cans by the sound alone. I have not dug a steel beer cap all year. For old home sites with tons of iron, the small concentric coil works wonders if you go slow and pick between the iron. Also the Tejon has manual ground balance for very precise discrimination and 180 degree discrimination circuits (vs 120 for most detectors) which lets you get discrimination way down into the iron range which lets you get small gold. I'd love to try gold nugget hunting with the Tejon. It really is a "sound" driven machine and benefits from quality headphones. Yes, I would trade it for a Manticore, but not much else.

Looks like you might have to buy a backhoe to go along with that analog detector!

I have an older Bounty Hunter Tracker 4, still works well

Thank you Merrill for sharing this awesome content

to many people look at the digital screen and half the time they go with that over sound and you have to go by sound 99% of the time i also feel people have way to much sensativity and way to much response tone it down a bit and you will find its just more super stable especially for amatures thers so many signals and tricky signals when you have it all wacked up and all that extra noise you have to listen to and you probably only gain an inch if that its just not worth it

Maybe we've relied to heavily on the new detectors to do our work for us versus in the past the knob adjustments we had to make ourselves being a determiner if we failed or not. And again what you said is important, that the digital detector does it for me. How do we really know for sure that digital detector is truly doing it right? I agree with you, we've completely forgotten analog when it fact there is still more to be learned and found with analog detectors. They require more focus, more attention to sounds, more attention to swing technique and forming a higher bond with that detector. Perhaps in our quest to see more on a screen we've lost that connection to the detector and our own innate skill of concentration that was required to successfully operate an older analog machine.

it has a lot to do with the coil, Concentric coils are used by most analog detectors & work better through iron, Double D have hot pattern from the tip & the heel & makes it harder to detect among the iron

Another great video Merrill. I still have some analog detectors that I will never get rid of because they were the all time champions of finding great stuff. Back in the olden days you hardly ever had to carry an owners manual with you just to detect, now with the digital frenzy and detectors that use never ending drop down menus people get confused about what to do next and what setting to use. Some of the older analog machines especially the Fisher 1200 series were very poor discriminators and loved Iron that's why in the 1980s I developed the "Super Coin Six" coil just help out in the Iron infested areas. I believe the Nexus detector will have a place in the detecting community for those people that don't want to go digital. In the video with the coin and the nails demonstration I believe he was using a concentric coil which in my opinion has better discriminating capabilities over the double D.

When you next depth test some old v new detectors please include a MINELAB SOVEREIGN. Both in dirt and WET SAND. Great performance in all conditions/soils/salt water - bomb proof workhorses.

I would be really interested to see if this detector can perform on the beach. I use an Equinox 800 and a Deus II to find pockets of old coins that have settled on top of a clay layer under the sand. The coins are just at the edge of detection and I would love to know if this detector can be tuned such that it can go super deep in a salty environment.

I have used a few analog detectors, it's fun I have yet to try the Tesoro Tejon (not sure on the spelling) it's new just never tried it yet, have fun

thanks you must test golden mask GM7 and relic striker see the performer is very good metal

Thanks for the video. I found my first reale in an iron infested 1800's house site with a tesoro.

Are analog detectors similar to MP3 audio devices, I say this because I built a DYI detector using a MP3 device and I was truly amazed as I remember I was able to detect a spray can over two meters high

Looking forward to your video on the Nexus. Sounds interesting.

Nice , I was wondering when you were going to get it

Analogue detectors work very well with low frequency coils especially good example is the Nautilus detectors :)

My mxt pro, Compadre and Cibola will be with me till I die...😊 Thanks Merrill

What you have shown is just a digital detector without an lcd

I use dp tones a lot on the Equinox 900 . Thats basically analog mode. Use it a week and see how incredible it is. Bottle caps in particular. I have an analog Troy Shadow X5 (19khz) , made by Fisher that is exceptional at what it does. I believe Tesoro made the Troy X2&X3 models. Tesoro Tejon is 17khz...my buddy uses one and it's excellent. Other buddies have Whites 5000-6000 series. Lower frequency. Deep.Coils to 3 feet. But the machine you did the funny video about is one of the kings. Nautilus DMC2B... 12" coil really went deep. 2 real categories Analog VLF and Analog Pulse. (Left out BFO) All over the world Pulse machines dominate relic searching. I have the pulse Bulgarian Detech SSP2100 and it will go 10 ft deep. great thread man! 🤠

did you ever see the Minelab Excalibur 2...this thing look crazy.

Well done Merrill can’t wait to see what you think of the nexus he makes great coils to top one

have two analog detectors found my first merc time with a whites idx pro

That is the wildest mustache I have ever seen

Well i stop useing my sovereign till about two years ago,only becusse of it weight.but i still think that it a great detector,now i have deus 2,still a very informative video,still will keep my sovereign 🎉can part with it.thank you much for another good video.

Thanks

Used in the past whites detectors, great!!!!! Now quest 60, never Used the multimedia frequentie machines but single, perfect 😀👍👍👍

Grew up and grew old all the way from antique analog to the present, have or have used many of them and still miss some analog features, except I have a rare Whites factory hipmount 6000Di Pro on hand if I need it. Analogs can do things NO modern multi frequency, or even single frequency modern machine can do , such as de-tuning for building searches and hot rock elimination. There is no better machine for building searches than a late model analog. They also have tricks like 'cave mode' which will find disturbed ground like graves. In Cave Mode you can detect for instance a buried cooler or plastic bag filled with money ( think Pablo Escobar) completely free of any metal at all. I will NEVER sell mine.

my first detector was an Analog . and had no problem finding coins. and jewelry. back in the 1970s.

Analog did well in iron. Tesoro made some good units.

I have a white's PRL-1 and a Classic IDX I can loan if you want to use them for a video. As a musician, I like the idea of being able to "train my ear" for analog machines.

Cant wait to see you test the Nexus out!!!

Wow man, Merrill. Bloody good on you man! Respect👊.. I remember my first analogue machine, flippin' heck, I was young and lean and very fit back then by Jaze! A Tes Silver Sab 2. It was a miracle to me then. My final one before I went digi was a 2009 UK v black stem Tes Tejon ( UK v had a vastly expanded iron reject span, over the US v). The Tejon was a pure US twin-disc muscle machine. HOT.. A damn fine tool in it's pomp. It tought me so much. I learned not to exceed 3-4 setting out of 10 gain (too much gain is dull, it de-harmonises machines, esp: hot analogues), Tejon had massive power, it was absolutely not a newbies machine. Todd Brown, aka Scanner guy 1968 does a brilliant, 'In Depth Review and Test', of it. Keith Southern, aka Relics 1864 shows it's capabilities really well also.. If todays detectorists need a proper look at a real US power-house analogue machine's capabilities, maybe check it out? In UK it was called 'Animal'. I adored it. It's still around. BTW, for the depth junkies; Tejon was a deep hitter.... But no, an analogue won't out-perform a MF machineas an all-rounder. Nothing touches a MF on beaches, or seriously mineralised dirt. Good luck with it Merrill!

I love your videos. They can be funny, informative and almost always make you think. I just picked up and immediately resold a Garrett Master Hunter 7 ADS in like new condition. Bought it for $25, made sure everything worked. Made a short video for eBay and sold it in 3 hours for $200. Maybe I should have kept it. Probably would have if not for the fact it takes 6 9V alkaline batteries to run. I do have and still use my first detector a Bounty Hunter Tracker 4. It’s a 3 tone machine with selectable All Metal, Tone discrimination or reject low tones. I like it because it’s simple and really works well. Is this considered an analog machine? Thanks for your content sharing. I hope to meet you sometime when you’re back in Berks / Montgomery county PA area.

My deeptech vista X out perform my etrac on fields.etrac shines on the beaches .i only ever use sound never take any notice of id numbers as they jump around every where

Can't wait for the test results Merrill

yesss that will be fun to watch :D i love my nexus

That's an interesting machine. If it could tell the difference between aluminum and gold it would be the dream machine. Would be fun to play with as the LED system is interesting, but most like just a form of the VDI scale in colors rather than numbers. I haven't seen any way to judge depth unless it's in signal strength. With a 5k price tag it would have to pick out gold from aluminum. Makes you wonder if it's still under the 1 watt output.

You've definitely got an addiction 😂

Watched most of Paul's videos. Paul does a great job with explanations. Thought about trying one but wanted to see a test subject and here we are. How long does it take to get one from Bulgaria? I'm mainly curious about turnaround time if you have any issues. I bet that company in Turkey is saying that Damn Merrill.

You need more metal detectors, Merrill. You definitely need a Nautilus.

Hey Mom... I found a nail!

Another Great video Merrill. I can’t wait to se what you do with your new analog machine!!! I hunt with a Simplex+ and a Legend. I don’t have any saltwater beaches in my state, so I hunt parks almost exclusively. I average 4 rings per hunt. Most are junk, but I get my share of silver and gold rings too. Today I got 5 rings in about 4 hours. My personal record is 9 rings. I feel like I should own Taco Bell

I have a Tesoro i like it.enjoyed your video.

PS-I could also tell the depth of any target with that old 1266-X without a depth meter. Analog forced the user to be better. I’m in your camp, digital is easier-and doesn’t train the user. I’m convinced that folks who grew up on the old analog machines which really put them to the test have a real and decided advantage over those who have only used digital their whole lives.

love em you will not use any thing more quiter

Tesoro Lobo Supertraq was THE BEST!