Talks like this are fascinating. We see that often the reality of God's creation is "stranger than fiction." He has no limits to His creativity.

I’m really glad you’re taking on these biblical topics. Too many people are scared to be seen to embrace anything that’s not welcomed by the world.

I always find it interesting how people accept some things as literal and some things as figurative, yet each person puts different things in different categories.

Really hope Tim gets to come back again for another series on the show. These 4 installments have been some of my favorites. Learned so much, just utterly fascinating

It's almost as if heaven is a real place where the rebellious angels originally lived before they took wives and dwelt on the earth. It's fascinating to me how many Christians have been taught to disbelieve the reality of heaven as a physical and real location.

I had a personal encounter with my Guardian Angel ... appeared totally human ... and it took me about an hour after he disappeared as quickly as he appeared for me to realize I had just spent a considerable amount of time with my Guardian Angel and there was no other explanation for it. It was 100% unambiguous. He saved me from serious trouble, perhaps even death, first appearing as a cop, then towed me home, SAME GUY, only this time with the cop having disappeared when the tow truck he promised to call me arrived. The switch, from cop to tow truck and driver, took about a minute, no exaggeration, then the tow truck driver told me to stay in the car and keep it on neutral, at which point he not only took me home, he backed my car into my assigned parking spot (Townhouse), and just like that, in the blink of an eye, he was gone, just like the cop, although it was obviously the same guy. That's when I realized neither one of them, the cop or the tow truck driver, ever asked for my license, registration, insurance card or verbally asked for my name and address, yet not only did the tow truck take me home, out of the 50 or so parking spots in the lot he put my car in my assigned spot, without ever asking me which spot was mine. BTW I rapped my car around a pole I knocked down on the divider. The next morning when I realized I had a supernatural encounter with my Guardian Angel (and we did briefly talk when he was the cop, and he just kindly asked if I was okay, then I remembered he did call me by my first name without asking for my name), but the rest all happened after a brief chat and he kindly told me he would call me a tow truck. So I go back to that EXACT SAME SPOT the next morning (a friend gave me a ride) just to see the damage. Well the pole was standing as if it had never been knocked down and there were no skids marks or ZERO indications on the grass divider that an accident occurred. That said, the MAIN POINT IS, I know for sure that Angels can appear as human as you and me. Somehow they can depart the spirit realm and enter the material realm ... and BTW, such encounters are Biblical too, so I know I'm not crazy.

Great discussion. I think we make a big mistake by assuming every living creature in heaven is an “angel” as in a messenger that appears on earth for a specific ministerial purpose. I believe it’s pretty clear there are other creatures in heaven different from angels as we know them.

3 years ago in New Zealand were I am living my family and I and our boarder saw a person (a man) dressed tidy and completely normal in appearance in completely broad daylight walk down our house concrete pathway in our garden on two different occasions, he walk pass us all looking about 6 feet away but never looked at us. Now I can say there was Nothing in his physical appearance out of order but in my Spirit i perceived something was very wrong we had actually encountered a Fallen Angle. We had alot of demonic activity leading up to this time and afterwards at our home as a back ground to this with this encounter , but what I want readers of this testimony to know this ( person if that's a correct term ) looked completely normal as anyone else walking down the street would look. I thank you Jesus for your protection on my self and Family.

I've really enjoyed these conversations!

I really enjoyed this discussion.

1 Corinthians 15:39-45 (LSB) All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a corruptible body, it is raised an incorruptible body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Angels have a body of flesh, but not like our current bodies, but like what our glorified bodies will be and what our Saviour's is.

Excellent info. Deep and mind boggling!!

fascinating discussion

There is also much evidence that there are several different types/kinds of angels and a system of hierarchy even amongst them. Some angels are described as beautiful some are terrifying and some appear to men to be in a form that inspires worship evidenced by biblical accounts of men falling to their knees to worship before being swiftly rebuked.

Joel, if you haven’t, may I suggest a deep dive into Gary Wayne. He’s really the foremost Christian researcher in this field of Ministry 🙏🏻🙏🏻

A Tim alberino interview would be really interesting on this topic

1:00:36 this makes more sense to me than the other way. Since everything that God does is perfect, it stands to reason that since God made them with His own hands that Adam and Eve had perfect genetics, and since then… without contact with God, we have been becoming less perfect, not more.

It would really help the viewers if you number your videos so the numbering is in the first title view (i.e. on KZfaq). Please consider this. Thank you.

Yes

It’s interesting how they voice their speculation on angels being exclusively male but fail to observes that Genesis 6:2 says that “the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful” and then took wives and/or married them. This is an exclusive male action! And if Paul is referring to Genesis 6 regarding women covering their heads then again we have a male exclusive reference. So if female angels do exist then they are much better at controlling their libidos. Regarding this, isn’t it strange that God creates a male gendered species with sexual desire and with no legitimate sexual expression-especially in view of Genesis 1:11-24 “according to its/their kind," 1:27 "male and female he created them," 2:18 “It is not good that the man should be alone.”

I hear from a couple pastors once that Satan is constantly tempting you but also he is your thoughts but to certain degree constantly telling yourself things about yourself that is negative. All thoughts are lies is he key only hypothetical ones. I get up to to work, I take care of my kids and wife etc etc

My wife and I talk about this a lot. She says that angels will only do hand stuff, but I think they will also do some mouth stuff if you ask nicely.

We will be like angels eventually

At around the 18:00 minute mark, I'm not sure why Amillenials would be singled out as being substantially differently than post or premillenials at that point. We believe all the same things after the final return of Christ in terms of the new heavens and new earth and how we will be.

Appointed for man to die once and after that comes judgment, except for Lazarus and some others who had the good fortune of dying twice

Never mind I figured it out

Blame the teachers/preachers/religion and false conversions for the schism of understanding between the divine and the material. The Lord's sheep know His voice and follow what the Holy Spirit says and teaches. May we submit to Him alone...not man. Night is coming and many are and will be deceived within the religion, as well as outside.

Thomas touched His resurrected body.

One point to add-Jesus didn’t “teleport” before being in His resurrected body, but Philip did in Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. Act 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea This ability will be possible for us all as will walking on water. We are limited by sin’s curse to the 4 dimensions but in our resurrected bodies we will be able to access all dimensions. We will still be in physical bodies but they will be glorified!

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As it is above, so it is below. Logically that works the other way as well. On earth G'd uses a system of genetics to provide variance to the life he created here--so mightn't he do the same for the created brings above? If so, it's not much of a leap to have heavenly creatures mating with earthly ones--albeit, with obvious difficulty especially after G'd seems to have restricted interspecies breeding AFTER all flesh was corrupted--Noah being the only pure man (in his generations--genetically). My theory is that the antediluvian era was MUCH more bizarre and disorientating to us today than most western Christians imagine. That being said, these technologies we see today are being given to humans in many cases, not invented by us. I would point out that according to the book of Enoch (again, not gospel here...) technologies were all "given" to us by heavenly beings before. Is this an ongoing attempt to counteract the measures placed by G'd in prohibition of interspecies breeding? Days of Noah... Sigh...

Here is another very amazing thing to think about: angels are able to meet us in our dreams???? (Gabriel with Joseph, Mary's husband).

Be nice if he put a link in the description for the other three videos

Could one argue that we are slightly higher than angels citing the verses where we will judge the angels?

But just because female angels aren’t mentioned doesn’t mean there are no female angels. Aren’t you reading into scriptures? There are only a few angels mentioned and of course because of the era would a human man even listen to a female Angel? And if we are all to become males then GOD will destroy half of his creation by destroying all females. Why did GOD see fit to create Eve for Adam vice sending another male?? So many questions.

The Valkyrie were described as angelic beings and female. Also described as Swan Maidens. Is there any connection to the Bible?

You are missing it, Jesus was being asked about humans, who would be the woman’s husband in Heaven? He said that we ( humans ) would be like the Angels who neither marry or are given in marriage. This means that only one marriage in Heaven is mentioned in Scripture and that is The Marriage Between Jesus Christ and His Bride The Church. The Bible doesn’t say that fallen angels married human women but that they took wives, as many as they chose. I don’t think that angels rebelling against God will enter into a marriage, I believe that they took wives that obviously belonged to men, men’s wives as many as they chose, that seems to be exactly what it is saying. What happens between men and women in Heaven is never mentioned except that they neither marry or are given in marriage, we are all to be married to Jesus ( Yeshua ) as I understand it. In our marriage on Earth, the two become one flesh and in Heaven we all become one with our Lord Jesus. What the full implications of that are I simply don’t know but it’s nothing bad of course.

One thing missing from this discussion is the woman. She has a glorified body also. New Heaven?? Things will CHANGE when all these beautiful women are around in Heaven. Can I prove it? No, *gut hunch. Why WOULDN'T Christ, Father ELohim want children HIS WAY??

The description of the "Holy ones", which differ from the angels mentioned, they sound like they're female by their description and occupation

Dogon or dagon "morning star" in fictional tales is the vampire god.

34:23 It’s not so much gnostic as it is we neutralize everything. If it’s spiritual, we try to make it more materialistic. If it’s materialistic, we try to make it more spiritual. It’s like we want to live in the boring and confused world that’s lukewarm to both spiritual and material.

Biblical text says they will mingle their seed but will not cleave. It also says we will be like the angels, being neither male nor female, though when appearing in form it was always male - which makes sense as man was created in the image of God.

Metaphysics is pretty important in keeping people from falling off into complete absurdity like this.

I hope this dispels the belief that Heaven is populated only by God, His angelic host, and of course, saints. We cannot imagine the myriad of beings and creatures that populate creation. Heaven is filled with innumerable creatures, visible and invisible, animal and human. Why would Heaven be any different.

When he's on the cross and recites the psalm why have you forsaken me .... He goes on in the psalm to say the bulls of Bashan surround him. They are demons the giants of Bashan that were killed by Moses and those guys. They were watching all around the cross as he hung their expecting victory but they found defeat.

Short answer… No

Lilith is mentioned in scripture, and Lilith is thought of as female in Jewish tradition.

Neon join are throughout the narrative of the Bible. Also some think Lucifer was the fifth cheribim of the throne. He covering angel of the throne.

I dunno but the angels having weird animal faces might help explain the monstrosities of the nephalim.

And what about them leaving off their Heavenly apparel to come into this realm at least After the flood

He mentions the divine council, which was promoted by Heiser, which is Totally false, Jesus settles this in Scripture. Jesus holds the answer of the gods/elohim of Psalm 82 in John 10. Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman meaning angels/spirit beings. Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," becuase God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. They were chosen because of Christ. Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," 1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel. 2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”

I have a question that has always bugged me and strangely enough is not about the topic you are covering but you did bring up Lazarus. Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Could the Neanderthals be the fallen angels spoken of in the book of Genesis? Scripture says that women reproduced with angels and created a race of "giants". For that to occur, they would have to be very similar to human, yet we know they were slightly different than human. One possibility to consider. Although, that doesn't explain the other humanoid species that lived before and simultaneously as the Neanderthals and humans.

Pastor Joel - 17th dimension?? (Min 22) Jesus had to go somewhere, but He didn't go to the 17th dimension...?? (Min 23) "None of this is crazy - I know it's speculation but..." (and Dr. Tim says, "No, I think that's great.")

RC Sproul has the best explanation of whether sons of God means angels or rather God fearing line of Seth, who started taking wives from Cain's wicked line around time of Lammach. I think that's more likely. Angels don't procreate, end of story.

They did not address the why question nor God's decree. Why would God create sexual creatures, angels, of only one gender? That seems cruel.

? Wingless, 30 something males ?? Not to be confused with Winged Cherubim's and Seraphim's

Yes, and I didn’t have to ask a theologian, I just read the Bible.

So Angels were created to procreate?

As a woman, what do I become in my glorified body if I will be like the angels? Will I be male?

Remember Angel means Messenger, If a ancient jew speaks in context they can be just meaning "a messenger".. Heaven = Men Only, Women, like animals have one created purpose: procreation and helper to man. Do animals go to Heaven? Do Women?

Ok, that is one point that I am struggling with. It is said that Christ was 33 years old when he was crucified, but they say he was crucified in the year 30 AD. How is he 33 if it is only the year 30?

Have you heard of Tony Merkel?? He's ( Bible believing) looking into a lot of giants, Bigfoot Etc.

I have always wondered about this passage from Christ. Does it mean that we will not "marry" but that there will be sex? Obviously you can have sex outside of marriage but will it be allowed in Heaven among people, or does the phrase exclude it entirely. We will not have sex. I get the distinction here about "will not" and "cannot" and I agree. But I wonder what will be the sexual moral in Heaven exactly? I have always heard that since there will no longer be need for procreation then there will no longer be the need for sex, and I think that is right, except for the pleasurable aspect, and that goes for food as well yet there will be feasting in Heaven according to scripture. So does "no marriage" = no sex in heaven?

So then angels have DNA 🧬 which is compatible with human DNA. Then also somehow their spirits combine and make a hybrid spirit for the offspring? Or does God create a hybrid or new spirit for the offspring? And if demons are Nephalim spirits, then everyone with that dna becomes a new demon? Meaning the # of them that exist increased over time?

No more like a timber wolf & a German shepherd…

It was definitely angels, if it were sons of seth god would have said sons of Seth, Sons of God are always angels in the scriptures. The book of ENOCH explains all this , and also explains all the crazy stuff that went on , when you read it and think about all the stories that have been told you know it's real! Decernment from the holy Spirit.....

I believe all the Angles are men but my question is where does that leave us? God is not going to change my gender, so where will women be in Heaven?

I have a thought about female angels: first of all, you guys kind of did the same thing - reading more into the story than what is there. When Jesus said the angels aren't married and given in marriage, this was an idiom for death and divorcing and marrying multiple people. More specifically to the story they were trying to trick him in where the one woman had 7 husbands. When you look at the telling of this in Luke you get a clearer picture because Luke completed the sentence: "for you will be like the angels 'who don't die' ". So there will be no need for a woman to marry seven brothers because no one will die in heaven. The kind of marriage that we do on earth is a covenant for sinful people, we don't know what is in store, but way too much is read into that passage. He also told them that they didn't know the answer because they didn't know the scriptures- my question to you then, is where in the OT, or in the scriptures would Jesus have known the answer to this? If the angels were obviously given the capacity to procreate, but not the mate to procreate with, they would be the only creatures that God did that to, but, my main thought is this, is if female women were created with certain roles, such as bearing children and raising them in the home, is it not possible that that is the reason we don't read of them? Because they are busy raising baby angels? Even plants procreate. It seems that everything with life that God makes procreates. And they have the ability. Just a thought.

Frequance Vibration are different in the Heavens (dimension) in the 5th dimension, are frequency is traveling at the least, 299 792 458m/s. We will be pure light! Meaning if we speak with out mouth to each other, we will be waiting to hear sound. I have a feeling we will be using telepathy. We enter into different dimension (Heavens) our frequency (string theory) changes to match. Higher dimension entities can enter into lower dimension 3rs and 4th. Not 5th yet that will be the new Jerusalem with 12 gates. 😮

Of course they can. The Most High already said that they could!😮...hmmm...

Can someone tell me their opinion on something? It may have been covered elsewhere in these podcasts, but are we to actually hate Satan and be wary of him or are we to just acknowledge he is evil, that he continuously works for our destruction but still remain neutral and wary? I know we are to love our enemies, but does that extend to Satan, being another created being, even when the scripture says that we will someday judge the angels? Just curious, always had that thought. Thanks to anyone who might answer, I'd greatly appreciate it:)

The sons of God in Job 1: 4-6 Sanctified/Explained....Context is King. 4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 And when the days of the feast had run their course, Job would send and consecrate (SANCTIFY) them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, “It may be that my children have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did continually. 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. It is insisted this is angels which is false, Okay lets break these verse down in 3 parts, >Part 1: The big one is the word Sanctify found in verse 5, becasue Job is presenting a burnt offering/animal for his children. Job is head of the household/the patriarch and father of his family, so it is his duty to present the sacrifice for his children to "Sanctify" them, meaning Sacntify their souls. The verse says in verse 5 “It may be that my children have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts.” The verse use the word hearts, which means inner person or the heart of a person, their soul. The word Sanctify means set apart as or declare holy; consecrate, make legitimate or binding by religious sanction, free from sin; purify: cause to be or seem morally right or acceptable: Job being the Patrarch of the family, is performing a priestly duty, angels have NO priestly duties or present animal sacrfices unto the Lord God. Angels have NOTHING to do with Sanctification. Jesus on the Cross is the High Priest and was the Sacrifice on the Cross for Sanctification, Jesus paid the final sin debt in full on the Cross for sinful man. The result from Jesus who is the son of God, the sanctification of a sacrifice whether a burnt offering/animal sacrifice or the sacrifice of Chirst put sinful souls in the postition of purification (sanctified) to be sons of God or called children of God. NOTICE verse 5 says " Thus Job did continually," which means Job continually offered burnt offerings unto the Lord for sanctification for the souls of his family or children. >Part 2: Now that the burnt offerings/animal sacrifices, sanctification, priestly duties and sons of God being set apart/purified are established, lets look at the word "day/yom". Verse 4 and 5b "4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 And when the days of the feast had run their course," What text is say there were these feast days. These feast days are celebrations maybe celebrating birthdays or some special occasion, but each of these feast days had there own day, think of it like the days of creation found in Genesis, each day had it's own day. Day 1 - light and time (Gen 1:3-5) Day 2 - the sky and “separated” waters (Gen 1:6-8) Day 3 - dry ground, bodies of water, and plants (Gen 1:9-13) Day 4 - the sun, moon, stars, and planets (Gen 1:14-19) Day 5 - fish and birds (Gen 1:20-23) Day 6 - land animals and humans (Gen 1:24-31). The hebrew word for day is Strong's Hebrew: 3117. יוֹם (yom) -- day - Bible Hub. Whether these are literal days or each day is a 1,000 years it is debatable, but it is for the readers understanding that God is the creator. Okay this is the same approach for the word "day/yom" in Job, this is not a 1,000 years for the word "day/yom", but each day is its own day for these feast days, just like the days of creation. Lets look at each of these feast days for Job's household. When Job presented the animal sacrifice/burnt offering (Job 1:5) this was in the days (Plural) of Feasting. There are Two "DAYS" mentioned in the days of feasting found in Job 1: 4 and Job 1: 13 and there are also Two "DAYS/YOM" when the sons of God presented themselves Job 1: 6 and Job 2: 1. Whether this is in the physical realm or the spiritual realm, that is debatable it is open to discussion, even when Satan tempted Jesus 3 times was that in the physical realm or the spiritual realm. Job 1:4 " And his sons would go and feast houses, each on his DAY, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them Job 1: 6 "Now there was a DAY"YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 1:4 is a Day/Yom and Job 1:6 is another Day/Yom, but both Days are part of the Days of Feasting Job 1: 13 " Now there was a DAY/YOM when his sons and daughters eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house;" >>>>>Job:1 19 and behold, a great wind came across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young people, and they are dead, and I alone have escaped to tell you.” Job 1:20 Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said, “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” Job 2: 1 "Again there was a DAY/YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. Notice in verese 20 that Job shaved his head and fell to the gorond and worshiped, during the presenting of burnt offerings/animal sacrifices, the worshippers would fall to the ground while presenting the burnt offerings/animal sacrifices in the OT, in a state of worship towards God. Shaving the head which was then a usual ceremony in mourning: of which see Ezra 9:3; Isaiah 15:2; Isaiah 22:12; Jeremiah 7:29; Jeremiah 41:5; Micah 1:16. Job was mourning over the loss and death of his children. Angels do not shave their heads for mourning. Another thing to Notice Job 1: 6 "Now there was a DAY"YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 2: 1 "Again there was a DAY/YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. In Job 1:6 happened when Job's children were living and in Job 2:1, Job's childrenhad lost their lives and were no longer living ound in verse 19. The proper interpretation is pairing together Job 1: 4 with Job 1: 6 and pairing together Job 1: 13, 20 with Job 2: 1, keeping Job 1: 5 in mind and applying that thought to with the verses that are paired together. Basically what happened is in Job 1 :4 and Job 1: 13 the feasting would be taking place, then the following day Job 1: 6 and Job 2: 1 early in the morning Job would present the animal sacrifice/burnt offering unto the Lord God. Job is being made Holy as well as his Household (wife, sons, daughters), because of the sacrifice (burnt offering), sanctification, atonement and shed blood of the sacrifice, this brings Job's Household into a position of "Adoption and Purificationof souls", hence forth sons of God are explained in Job 1:6 and Job 2: 1 which happened the following day. This all took place during the days of feasting. >Part 3: Looking at when and how the word "PRESENT" is used in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1....... Job 1:6" Now there was a day when the sons of God came to PRESENT themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to PRESENT themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to PRESENT himself before the Lord. It is already how the sons of God presented themselves, it is by Sanctification, made right, purification with the burnt offering/animal sacrifice by the faith of Job. Notice>>>In Job 1:6 Satan does NOT Present anything to the Lord God, he just shows up, but in Job 2:1 Satan how Satan presents himself is found in Job 1:11-12.... 11" But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord. How Satan presented himself which is his primary goal is that Job would curse God to His face found in Job 1:11-12 found in the previous verses, this leads into how Satan presented himself in Job 2:1 after Job was given over to Satan in Job 1. Again is this conversation Satan and God having in the spiritual realm or physical realm, but the scene is on the earth, not in heaven. Pointing out the 3 heavens: 2 Corinthians 12: 2-4 "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." A)The word heavens can be used to refer to different realms. Heaven can refer to the sky and the earth’s atmosphere, making it the "first heaven" (Deut. 11: 11, Psalm 104: 12, Isaiah 55: 10). B) Heaven can also refer to outer space, where the stars and planets are the "second heaven" (Psalm 8: 3, Isaiah 13: 10). C) Third Heaven can refer to God’s dwelling place or throne of God, which is beyond the other 2 "heavens," a place known as the "third heaven" (Psalm 33: 13-14, Isaiah 66: 1, Matthew 6: 9, Hebrews 7: 26, Revelation 11: 19). With the conversation with Satan and God, the conversation was the "first heaven" or the realm of the earth in the sky where the clouds are while the sons of God (Job and his household) are in "Sanctified Status" presenting themselves with animal sacrifices and burnt offerings. Even when Satan tempted Jesus it was in the realm of the earth found in Matthew 4: 1-11, 3 Temptations.

Man will be glorified when we go to heaven.Jesus is in the shape of a man but glorified. I have seen him like that.

The cant in their angelic form but from one end of scripture and if you want to add anecdotal evidence and later legends which obviously are not as reliable as scripture ,angels can and do take human form (i have a theory on how they do this lol).So presumably in human form they havr full human function so why not ?

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If all angels are male what was their sperm created for? God created them with sperm but with intention of them using it? Or were they designed to use it on human women?

simple question, shy would God give angels genitalia and sperm. Were they supposed to procreate with angels or anything. Did God tell them to be fruitful and multiply? we are not asking can not but rather why would God give them genitalia?

How could something that is purely spiritual somehow become physical? What about when Jesus drove out the demons? They didn’t have bodies, that’s why the pled with Him to not send them to hell, so he allowed them to possess the swine.

Aren't Angels ministering Spirits tho?

No. Nephelium means big man. It was a title taken by the rulers of ancient Mesopotamia (Lugal). The vowel pointers are wrong for it to translate as a the noun 'fallen ones'. The verb 'to fall' could be represented by the Hebrew letters, but contextually it tells us it is a noun and what it means -that it is speaking of something even more ancient than written Hebrew which is dynastic rule over subjugated people (... the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.). 'Sons of God' does not solely refer to angels or Israel.... The 'giant angel baby is a king' mythology is propagated for intrigue, promoted as a means of false faith, and used as a method to justify a monarch. This 'Nephil' controversy is a good example of bad eisegesis that can become persistent. If you believe in giant angel babies... no big issue... if you think your affirmation is proof your faith is bigger and better than those who don't... then you got a problem. Strongs is/was not perfect and does not benefit from the amount of scholarship that has been possible over the last 100years. There is no historical proof of a race of giants. Lack of proof is not a contradiction. Biblically, there is no reason to insist the Bible teaches there are/were giant angel babies. The Bible is a historical record and even in this single word 'Nephil' shows us the evolution of written language and civilization, and, proves itself to be an eyewitness account through the ages. This is even more amazing and awe inspiring and proof of authority than 'giant angel baby kings' which have no historical (or biblical) support. Duet 32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.

If they could procreate then, why not now? What would limit them from doing it over and over and … over?

One cannot reject this because the Bible seems to offer as the best read that this is what happened. Thinking though about impact regarding the Fall and physiological impacts, it would seem more likely that these angels would have had no reason to be designed by God to procreate because He doesn't design extraneously. So then what, as part of the decision certain angels made to rebel, perhaps inspired by lust, they were provided with that ability? (To be blunt, to have sperm able to inseminate?) This challenges me. I would say though there is much in the created order which seem they only exist to be fallen (mosquitos as an example) but doesn't it seem likely that in the consummated New earth, that all His original designs will become evident for all His creatures and we'll see that "redeemed " purpose revealed and be astounded, so... let the Word speak and be humble eh?

If those Angles (light and dark) 4th dimension entitie have human (made in our image) DNA, yes! FYI, if we were created in the 4th dimension (before the flood) and angles are the Lords creation, where were they created and how long ago? Our Devine Creator loves creation, he loves all kinds of creation, he really really lives creation. Also Jesus says angels don't marry in Heaven the 5th dimension because creation is done on the 3rd and 4th dimension (heavens). I really don't think there are genders in the 5th dimension at least not for procreation although there is a reason those entities present themselves in masculine form.

How this happens is similar to how wolves will procreate with coyotes then coyotes will procreate with domestic dogs. There are actual examples of everything in God’s kingdom today as it was back then. I really get tired of people trying to take the greatness and simplicity of God’s creation lowered down to their standard. Like my grandmother always said “nothing more stupid than an idiot. Except an-educated idiot”. In heaven we will have an “assignment”. Most of us will be kind of police officers of the pit”. But there will be other assignments. You either trust God the Father or you DON’T!!! I trust the Father!!!

Brother Joel, if I promise to buy two books, will you promise to buy an appropriate pair of black shoes to go with that suit?

What if the the Angels in heaven do not marry is because just as the church ( female “the woman”) is married to God. Maybe it’s similar the Angels ( congregation) are married to God🤔

He Satan is the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. He Satan is the prince of the world who Yahuwshua said was coming at his death. He Satan stated to Yahuwshua, "I will give you all this power and glory. It has been handed over to me, and I can give it to whomever I choose." So yes, ha Satan has the authority over the whole earth and airways, and seas. He even had the authority given by YHWH to offer His Mashiach all the kingdoms of the earth in exchange for Yahuwshua to bow down to ha Satan. Just as YHWH set before Abraham the testing of his faith, so YHWH had to do the same for His Mashiach. And Yahuwshua sits at the right hand (is YHWH's right hand, and always has been) of YHWH until YHWH makes all Yahuwshua's enemies his footstool.

Wisdom is referred to as a woman. Is wisdom not one of the seven spirits of God? Idk. One night a man's voice said my name and a moment later a woman's voice said.. "Just answer." Unfortunately my mouth was kept closed.

You can't have cell phones where you don't even have electricity guy

You guys just miss the biggest tool that tells you how giant procreation works . Andre the giant and giantism

Angels mating with human women is a tough sell. Is pneuma used to describe a physical body in anywhere in the Bible? I can only assume not or it would have been the first reference mentioned

Alligators and crocodiles are essentially dinosaurs, along with probably most reptiles.

Also, if one argues that angels are all male, must not one say the same of God for the same reasons?

A little lower than the angles means than humans and angles can procreate? Not convinced. I agree angles do physical things but procreate; have sperm? If you cut one would he bleed? If angels have physical bodies like Jesus' resurrection body with flesh and bone they would have no blood (no sperm). But the best biblical argument that the Son's of God are not angels is that angels are NOT SONS. Hebrews 1:5 5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Also the Sons of God presented themselves before God in Job 1. God points him out to Satan because Job was one of the Sons of God. Angles do not present offerings to God through sacrifice but the Sons of God do. And it is Satan that accuses them. I believe that the Sons of God in Gen. 6 were the godly line of Seth who married unbelievers and their children had head knowledge of God but not heart knowledge and their children were false prophets. Solomon is a good example as a Son of God, his wives were demon worshipers.

Angels are not human and are neither male nor female, they are celestial creatures and do not have a gender

Angels were/ are Males they are Not men - they are able to be as they chose according to God's Will According to Scripture The Sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair and they took all they chose As far as I know Sons mean Male God gave us Free Will Why do you think He Sent Jesus? To redeem us from the Sin of Adam and Eve. Repentance Forgiveness and Redemption Thank you Father God for the Gift of Salvation by the Sacrifice of Your Only Begotten Son Jesus for our Souls. God is God Your Creator and mine I am not so bold to say what GOD Can And Cannot do Will and Will Not do Allow and Not Allow Who are We oh Thou Mortal Man To Tell God anything - or Say What Is ?

SATAN masquerades/do not wrestle agains Flesh and Blood Lets's break down your response. you used the Ephesians 6 passage 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6 is about the whole armour of God, but it also mentions the schemes/wiles of the devil. The devil is not flesh and blood he is a spirit and the god of this world. The “god of this world” or “god of this age” indicates that Satan is the major influence on the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. Satan who is the devil can even influence even Christians and Christain teachers. So many false teachers NEVER explain Satan. As Christians we have to know the enemy who is Satan. How Satan does this is..... POINT 1) Satan masquerades Deut. 32 :17 They sacrificed to false gods, which are not God- gods they had not known, gods that recently appeared, gods your ancestors did not fear. ---Who these "gods/elohim" are is just one god who is >>>>>the god of this world, who masquerades>>>Satan. 2 Corinthians 4:4 "In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." --The god of this world is Satan, so many are kept in darkness and deceived by the angel of light who is Satan. 2 Corinthians 11:14 (ESV) And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. (NIV) And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. --What Satan does using both translations is what Satan just masquerades as different pagan gods. Satan can transform and masquerade as the sun god, Zeus, Mercurius, molech, mary in Catholicism, Baal, ...ect. So the source of all these so called "gods" comes down to the god of the world who is Satan POINT 2) Satan masquerades as Baal --Scripture is clear that Baal, Baal-zebu, Beelzebub and Satan are all connected. Beelzebub is the Greek form of the name Baal-zebub, a pagan Philistine god/elohim worshiped in the ancient Philistine city of Ekron during the Old Testament times. It is a term signifying “the lord of flies” (2 Kings 1:2). Archaeological excavations at ancient Philistine sites have uncovered golden images of flies. After the time of the Philistines, the Jews changed the name to “Beelzeboul,” as used in the Greek New Testament, meaning “lord of dung.” This name referenced the god of the fly that was worshiped to obtain deliverance from the injuries of that insect. Some biblical scholars believe Beelzebub was also known as the “god of filth,” which later became a name of bitter scorn in the mouth of the Pharisees. As a result, Beelzebub was a particularly contemptible deity, and his name was used by the Jews as an epithet for Satan. The word has two parts: Baal, which was the name for the Canaanite fertility gods in the Old Testament; and Zebul, which means “exalted dwelling.” Putting the two parts together, they formed a name for Satan himself, the prince of demons. This term was first used by the Pharisees in describing Jesus in Matthew 10:24-25. Earlier, they had accused Jesus of casting “out the demons by the ruler of the demons” (Matthew 9:34), referencing Beelzebul (Mark 3:22; Matthew 12:24). In Matthew 12:22 Jesus healed a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute. As a result, “all the people were astonished and said, ‘Could this be the Son of David?’ But when the Pharisees heard this, they denied that this could be a work of God, but instead declared: ‘It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons’” (Matthew 12:23-24). In this context they are denying Jesus and giving credit to Satan. Heiser BLINDLY has done this in his teachings of this so called divine coucil. Revelation 12:9 NKJV 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Satan has always done this, he decieves the whole world, even Christians. POINT 3) Satan masquerades as Greek and Roman gods/elohim Let's look at another example of how Satan masquerades is found in Acts 14 with Barnabas and Paul in Lystra healing a lame man. ESV 8-13 " Now at Lystra there was a man sitting who could not use his feet. He was crippled from birth and had never walked. 9 He listened to Paul speaking. And Paul, looking intently at him and seeing that he had faith to be made well,[b] 10 said in a loud voice, “Stand upright on your feet.” And he sprang up and began walking. 11 And when the crowds saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in Lycaonian, “The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!” 12 Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul, Hermes, because he was the chief speaker. 13 And the priest of Zeus, whose temple was at the entrance to the city, brought oxen and garlands to the gates and wanted to offer sacrifice with the crowds. Okay the focus is what the pagan Lycaonians said about Barnabas and Paul, they called Barnabas and Paul pagan gods/elohim who are Zeus (Barnabas) and Hemes (Paul). The ESV put in the GREEK gods/elohim (Zeus and Hermes). The NKJV, NIV, NASB, and other translations use the GREEK gods/elohim as well. When a person reads another Bible translation like the KJV uses the ROMAN gods/elohim Jupiter (Barnabas) and Mercurius (Paul), of course this is in the solar system and the darkness of space, this is how we get the planets of Jupitor and Mercury. These planets are also called stars. KJV 11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. 12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. 13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. The point of this is that Satan masquerades and transforms himself into these different god/elohim of these pagan nations like the Greek gods/elohim and Roman gods/elohim, that is why he is the God of this world. Satan takes objects in the darkness of space the cosmos and use them for Idolarty. When Paul writes in Ephesians 6 ESV “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Let's look at the NKJV 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. >>>>This is referring to what Satan uses the spiritual hosts and wickedness in the heavenly places, it is simply all these FALSE gods/elohim that Satan Masquerades and Transforms into these illuminating figures (rulers, principalities) in the cosmos or heavenly places. like Zeus, Hermes, Jupitar and Mercurious. Also uses figures the sun, moon Baal, mary in Catholicism, Allah in Islam, the list can go on and on. Also to note man over time has made images of these illuminating figures in the cosmos>>>>>Psalm 115:4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of human hands.

If there are not female angels, then it makes no sense for Jesus in Mt 22:30 to make reference to angels not marrying. Perhaps the messenger and soldier angels are male, and those that minister before the throne are female.

Guys !!! Seriously? And you started with 1 h podcast and at every 2 minutes you put an add. Come on guys. I can't listen to normal 10 minutes? 😡😡😡😡