It’s just a little brush with another driver… happens all the time. Why is it such a big deal. Divas. Only reason people talk about this so much is they want to discredit the driver that can consistently beat the British ones. Why don't they ever stir so much shit about other driver crashes.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
Fair comment re: the incident that ended it but we talk more about the whole battle Max presents a unique challenge and we think it’s reasonable to ask how a driver might fight him
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
I'd like to tackle this whole British driver trope. I think that it's largely overblown but as a Canadian who cheered for the ever unpopular in Britain Jacques Villeneuve I can remember Jonathan palmer in particular being absolutely brutal in his criticism regardless of how well he did. After taking DC's seat in 96 he kept his while Williams ditched hill so he was public enemy number one on the beeb. So I kind of feel like it's always just been a part of it or I'm desensitized to the UK slant on sky because it's a lot less overt or at least coached in "fake fairness". Back in the day Murray (rip and God love the man) used to wrap himself in the union Jack and we loved him for it anyways. Because he was honest about it.
@sushantpagnis621Ай бұрын
All the drivers have stated that max did nothing wrong, it was just hard racing. All this is just the British media trying to drag max’s name through the mud.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
It’s more a question of what do drivers need to do to get past/defend him. No poor judgment of Max’s driving here
@livefast-xc8lmАй бұрын
It’s the medias job to talk about stuff… that’s how they get paid. They look for rage engagement like yourself who cares too much about the click bait 😂 you’re proving their point.
@slopat2503Ай бұрын
@@tyredf1pod Sorry, but calling BS on that. Saw your previous upload and your comments on Cam's video.
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
Yeah you'll find we all agree pretty much on that
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
@@slopat2503sure - I’m not a fan of that kind of wheel to wheel combat but doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate the challenge or change the focus of this video
@slopat2503Ай бұрын
Ammar, by the letter of the law Johnny Herbert who was a steward at this race, despite all the camera angles and data available, could not determine Max moved under braking. Plus that'scnot even a rule anymore. Plus, plus, if as you guys admit today, Lando could have avoided the contact, who caused the collision?
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
I agree with you that the Max moving under braking is a subjective call. I even said that there can be degrees to it. Sometimes it’s all about the eye test. I don’t think anyone can say that Max was being desperate in defense and while I have no issue with it, the collision happened in part because of that desperation. I also pointed out that Lando has yet to figure out Max. So it’s both their fault but Max is more responsible. Btw, he fared quite ok. While we are here, the post collision incident where Max effectively drove Lando off track was more egregious to me. Yes he had an ailing car but he was still fighting Lando.
@slopat2503Ай бұрын
@@tyredf1pod I agree with pretty much all except that I think Lando was the desperate one. As an aside did you watch today's Formula For Success video?
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
Lando could have moved but he's not obligated to. In most penalized collisions the guy who gets hit could have avoided it. That's not really the point
@slopat2503Ай бұрын
@@theflagstand7636 C'mon, Max was going in a straight line, Lando chose to put himself there. Surely the driver ahead gets to pick his line. Have you watched Max's pass on Carlos in the same corner last year? Lando could have done that.
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
@@slopat2503again he could have but he's not obligated to. It's actually super simple max had to give him a car width to the white line and didn't. Lando called his bluff and put his car on the white line but over no further and we had the result we did. It's pretty clear cut really. The race track is the white line,
@PolishEddie1992Ай бұрын
I just clicked on this, but going off of the title, I have a question. Is everything supposed to be sensitive, and is everybody supposed to be a snowflake or a teddy bear, and does everything have to be so censored? We have Yuki getting a 40,000 Euro fine for saying a word that everyone used to call their friends when they were being dumb just 10-15 years ago... you have drivers that can't even produce exciting racing anymore because that is too much for people nowadays, and you can't show any type of aggression or establish dominance because you're going to get penalized... this is exactly what made Formula 1 exciting 50, 40, 30, 20, 10 years ago and it is exactly what's making it more exciting again, finally. But the stewards just ruin everything for everyone. Maybe it's just me, maybe I'm from a different generation.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
Nah we’re with you Eddie. Less intervention definitely Except for the Yuki thing - can’t have that language in 2024
@fibitabit8423Ай бұрын
Welcome to the woke word.... 🥺
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
People using woke as an epithet is weird to me. First off, I'm the dude in the bottom square of the video and you'll find we actually all agree the penalties and what not should go away. Let the drivers fight and battle and police themselves. Let's not conflate that with using words that are meant to other and hurt. Just because they were used with impunity in the past doesn't mean it was good to do it. We can all just be better people if we agree to be nice to others, and using language used to denegrate others that was used to describe people with disabilities they can't help? It's not right. There's lots of words you can use to insult me let's not resort to one's that denegrate a group of people. A lot of times people just turn "hey let's not be jerks" into "why is everyone so woke". Insult me all ya want but don't use words that denegrate disabled people.
@nilsthart4154Ай бұрын
Spot on 💪🏻🔥. The rule book is crazy. In the US they laugh about this kind of refereeing the drivers. The British press makes much more out of this than it actually was.
@JayQ2kАй бұрын
@@tyredf1pod Think your missing the point where it comes to Eddie's statements. I see it as an observation. People (as young as they were) had a thicker skin to begin with and words like ret**d or m*r*n weren't even registered. You just knew that you were being a dumbass. Man up and all and continue playing. Make sure that some comments never make it to the broadcast (since not all racers comments go 'live' anyway) and have a talk with the driver and give them a formal warning that some language is not necessary. But everyone gets offended out of the name of someone else. It's just pathetic and it shows in the idea that everything has to be penalized today. Because some self proclaimed minority might be offended.
@dscottstoness2436Ай бұрын
Excellent discussion and insights to Max. Much more balanced than the previous posting. I think that more information came out after the fact and the discussion has matured. So back to Max as top GOAT - who else can be so close to the edge without going over it. I think that Lando's reaction/ apology and Peter Windsor and DC has shone more light on this debate. Lando actually said that Max penalty was questionable. But the amazing thing is how black and white the anti max people still are.
@waltermunАй бұрын
Max is the definition of greatness. He is superb, a king, a Sungod. Flawless in all his moves with perfect positioning. Gentle for his tires but ruthless for the competition. No one can touch him. All should bow deep for his excellence.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
You got a shrine?
@Kermit-The-SmaugАй бұрын
Max doesn’t need Kelly with you “fluffing” him up this hard.
@hannieouwerkerk3148Ай бұрын
the only reason he clash with lando and notwith the other drivers is because lando is not so far as the other drivers are in races to win without clashes
@JayQ2kАй бұрын
Sky Sports F1 probably begging the FIA to police everything. But them f's were clearly lost after Christmas '21 (or perhaps it was their marketing department that was creating ads). All the drivers held the line on Thursday. Lewis "ain't nothing to do with me" Hamilton probably wondered why he was on the couch for this dumb question in the first place. All the other drivers, including GPDA and almost the whole F1 world excluding some very notable (despicable might also be a word here) characters thought the Max penalty was over the top. Max pretty much singlehandedly got the Silverstone stands fully packed over an incident that mainly could have been avoided by Lando. And if Lando would have been underneath Max' rear wing then he could have made the switchback and we'd have a run to turn 4 where he could have made the move.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
True re: Silverstone grandstands
@koenbrackel2047Ай бұрын
Finally some opinions that are thought thru and not just this (english) view that rules are rules and only Max is wrong (like this "analyses" by Joylen Palmer)
@Ogole-oyeАй бұрын
Palmer is just an acquired taste, even when he is wrong he is so convinced he is right. I tend to just mute so I manage my frustration and watch the race.
@jeroenbons637Ай бұрын
Dear podcasters this time you had a guest on board with a clear mind, a balanced view and a very eloquently expressed opinion, BRAVO and thank you for that. Invite this man every time you stumble on unsolvable differences of opinion. It helps.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
As in we got someone on who happens to agree with you Jeroen?
@hannieouwerkerk3148Ай бұрын
listento couldhard and jordan and you hear its a race incident sow stop blame max for this.. lando is just as fault to
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
incidents for the lead seem to happen to Max a lot...
@PlasteredBarrieАй бұрын
@@tyredf1podthat’s actually a compliment.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
@@PlasteredBarriesure - I meant it as a neutral statement
@merlitaalvesm2471Ай бұрын
Are you serious for Max that his unracesable , he is juste a hard races and his a mentality of winner, that’s we say his an incredible, And all the drivers says it’s not max fault after seeing the video ,ok
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
it's a question, not a statement
@bjrnchrstnАй бұрын
Brits have been waiting for 40+ races where after the tiniest of brushes makes them go all out on him. It was nothing egregious or faul but you all just paint it out that it was with expressions like ‘the max of 21’, ‘unraceable’, ‘not matured’. Heard exactly zero when lando squeezed max on the grass in Spain which was even more dangerous than this accidental tap. Pathetic is the word I use for the reaction and fallout of this.
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
You'll note 2/3 of this episode is from North America
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
And the dastardly Brit agrees with you
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
@@tyredf1pod I mean it's almost like you can't generalize an entire nation. Weirdddd
@JayQ2kАй бұрын
Defending against Max? Good luck. Nobody ever in the history of F1 has had the attacking skills he has. In defense you can do it, but you have to think about a plan of attack and then commit to it. Take a look at Silverstone '19 between Charles and Max to see how you can make it wheelbangingly close without banging wheels.
@nickporter574Ай бұрын
Easy now, he's good for sure but lets not get carried away.
@@slopat2503 thanks a lot. Ill probably retract half of what I said but appreciate the kind words. I have no rooting interest whatsoever so I just try and call it fairly
@alicekoppenol-pitti6257Ай бұрын
Double yellow...you the man. My favourite guest at the cousins cook out. I hope the boys will race each other hard. They gave me heart palpitations but I loved every minute of it. ( Even ended up in the ER with too high blood pressure. No worries al's good now) I bet the British witch hunters are a bit sad that the boys made up and none of the other drivers felt the need to crucify Max for the accident. Silverstone is gonna be epic.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
Double is a different gravy right?
@alicekoppenol-pitti6257Ай бұрын
@@tyredf1pod love me a levelheaded man.
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
Thanks for the compliment. I try and call it as I see it and I have no rooting interest whatsoever so it's a bit easier for me to do that than most. Cheers, and hopefully they consider your blood pressure this weekend
@alicekoppenol-pitti6257Ай бұрын
@@theflagstand7636 Appreciate you man. Not all of us are blessed with the patience and ability to make logical analysis. Love the banter with the F1 cousins and hope to see you again in this space. Enjoy Silverstone
@livefast-xc8lmАй бұрын
Lewis was able to race max, he gave max way more space he even had to, but somehow in certain situations max still caused collisions. Lewis in some races was fed up and didn’t want to give anymore space. Lec has the advantage over everyone do to fighting max since carting. Similar to how Nico had an advantage over every driver when fighting Lewis. They know each other well.
@robbleeker4777Ай бұрын
When you are referring to the 2021 season.. Max had to be very aggressive in his approach to race Lewis because RB had the lesser car but were close enough to fight. The approach helped Max to his 1st title. To become WC, you just need to be an @sshole on the track sometimes..All champions have their moments
@51bikerboyАй бұрын
The FIA/stewards are like a football referee who kills the game by whistle strictly to the rules instead of in the spirit of the game!
@AitmesssАй бұрын
You, British, have to stop this ridiculous thing. Drivers them selfs say it's not that as pictured in the media. And you guys are still hammering on something that isn't really there. When is MaX likely to give his way to someone whose raceing is better than him? Of course, this will be when this next driver is significantly better than himself. First, he was de hunter. This has started when de best driver is in reach of his driving skills. Next stage, he himself became the best driver himself. From there on, he will be different his behind. This stage will take as long as the next best driver needs to surpass him in driving skills. And the care plays the necessary decisionary par in this process So stop this sorrow storytelling way and just give us sports reporting
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
Thanks for the advice Aitmesss
@jeroenbons637Ай бұрын
Is Max unrace-able? No, Max is an extremely good racing driver. After all, imagine F1 without Max. Do we want a grid with only Perez’s, Hulkendeburgers, L. Sargent’s and J. Palmer’s?? No of course not.
@PlasteredBarrieАй бұрын
All the content creators milking as much as they can all week. Rehashing all the same content. Deep down they all wish same thing will happen in Silverstone so they have more content.
@outlawf1272Ай бұрын
It's racing and we want to see that, and sometimes things go wrong, but that's also racing. Max makes no mistakes for about 40 races and if something small happens, the British media turns a mouse into an elephant. I think that's good because more and more people see how biased they are. Ultimately, the credibility of British media is a joke. More and more people around the world are seeing how the British media works, and it is very toxic. They are frustrated that their compatriots are being defeated time and time again. There are now 5 British people in F1 with bearman, and the British still cannot win. That is very sweet and beautiful. I wouldn't think this way if the British media weren't being so toxic. Do you get my point? This behavior does not work in the British's favor.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
You didn’t watch the video did you? Anyway - as has been pointed out 2/3 of the panel on this video are from North America Ta
@outlawf1272Ай бұрын
@@tyredf1pod I'm not talking about the Americans. I'm talking about the British media and how they handle things.
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
Hey hey now I'm canadian :D
@outlawf1272Ай бұрын
@@theflagstand7636 hahaha, i love Canada 😇🧡🤣✌🏼
@rafaelsolano2628Ай бұрын
The only problem of the "wait for Max to make an mistake" theory is that he is the one who commits the least errors of all of the front runners. He won Canada cause Lando made mistake after mistake, same in Spain. Russell also lost Canada because of his mistakes. Max has been very mistake free when under pressure. So for him to make a mistake, they have to bring it to him, as in Austria
@mtremblay6847Ай бұрын
He gets hot under the collar when things aren't going his way. You can get to him and he does make mistakes. It won't be easy, but beating Max never has been and never will be. I think the point overall is that you need to be more strategic about getting by him. Make him unsure of what you're going to do next and he wont be so ready to block it.
@spawnofapathyАй бұрын
Some in the media and some fans just wanted Max to drive like he got a blue flag. Just get out of the way. Honestly I’m not all that much of a fan blue flags for back markers. Maybe if it would impede a battle of the front runners. Like if cars on the main lap are within DRS of each other, then you are obliged to get out of the way. I get why that reg is there though. You’d have a team allow their #2 to get lapped and hold up the pack. But sometimes I feel like “formula B” is no less entitled to their race than those on the lead lap.
@jeroenbons637Ай бұрын
Moving under braking (breaking?). Is a rather vague rule- but what about “predominantly”. How much? - 60/40 - 10/90 - 51/49. Is it all the same …and…even more importantly… should.. we not have Major and Minor punishments. 60/40 =. 10secs/6secs. Resulting in 4secs for the 60 %, In case of predominance, which was the case in MVLN, the heaviest punishment was given to Max and none to Lando, Fair??
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
So first off just for full disclosure I'm the guy in this video. I'm also a marshal and I have no rooting interest for any driver. I think F1 has lost its way with these penalties. They're inherently unfair because 5 sec at the start of a race or at the end for the same offense isn't the same. Especially if you get a 5 sec right after a sc like Carlos did at melb last year. It's just a bad way to dole out justice. I think we make the penalties more severe (back to drive thru or stand alone stop go) but only apply them for the most egregious and clearly unsporting behavior, or things related to safety like ignoring flags. I'd be more in favor of just issuing warnings and then giving real penalties with teeth if those warnings go unheeded. Breaking penalties down into different timing increments is just making it even more complicated. Let's just let them race...
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
Don’t need penalties for everything. Threat of a collision and loss of places, wins, titles whatever should be enough of a deterrent The only additional thing we didn’t talk about was for absolutely egregious moves a penalty should be considered but not by a part time steward. Full time stewards who have built up experience of the rules and methods of the drivers would make much more sense
@jeroenbons637Ай бұрын
F1 needs a Charly Whiting.
@mohamedally1276Ай бұрын
Regarding Lewis and space... Lewis gave him plenty space in 2021 and we know how Max raced anyway so I think it's very clear Max hates Lewis. Don't mince words people...when has Max ever given Lewis space? Not even when he needed to give the place back !
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
Yeh I don’t think that’s it. Lando had him passed on the second of the laps he divebombed Max, Max took to the runoff and didn’t give the place back. I think he’s pretty even-handed
@hannieouwerkerk3148Ай бұрын
sow omar surches that lando must give max dnf s sow he wont be a champ
@donaldtracey4541Ай бұрын
🤣🤣 How does Max race Lewis 🤔. . Max is a Sym Driver.
@randallvargas4457Ай бұрын
Don’t take it personally, I’m fighting the algo so I can avoid these types of opinions being recommended
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
What types of opinions? We were asking a question- did you watch us?
@timothywyatt3479Ай бұрын
You’re right you have to race a champion definitely from back markers I think lando filling bad about the mistakes he made the last tow races by being to timid he was determined to change that, and it didn’t work for him
@clevehylton6493Ай бұрын
I sorry guys but I can't listen to this backcast it's so sad you guys decided to have a compact cast like this and not be truthfully honest about this I bought the race with max being in it and when he's attacking
@hannieouwerkerk3148Ай бұрын
jezz if lando was drive slow then he has can makes his race to tillt he end
@zero72AlkАй бұрын
Just so much blah blah blah
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
Thanks for listening!
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
@zero72Alk Well said! 👏🏼
@pietervanbreda4360Ай бұрын
Oscar will
@gregmarcus3064Ай бұрын
The problem with Max is that his "hard" racing" is crashing. They always say " rubbing is racing" and that is the proper way to race hard. I would see Lewis race Fernando and we all know how much Nando likes Lewis but you would never see those two giving each other race ending clashes. So we just relegated to watching carbon flying everywhere, next punctures and non racing. It would be a lucky situation if that is all that happens. What if someone ends up in the hospital or worse someone dies.
@51bikerboyАй бұрын
Maybe you should factcheck your claims they are not based on facts!
@southerncomfort1339Ай бұрын
The problem with MADMAX is that he's the classic bully! The the bully at school that picks on everyone intimidates others n doesn't get in trouble with authority! But when someone gets tired of his shit! And kicks his azz r starts giving the shot back to him! Then he starts COMPLAINING!! His parents are P.O.S's also! (C.Horner) It's SAD that a driver can't race NOR pass someone without a 95% chance of getting WRECK!! MADMAX admitted that he cares NOT about wrecking n causing his techs extra work!! But his is REDBULLCRAP culture! Vettle screwed his teammate several times! MADMAX screwed Danny Ric several times!
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
These are certainly words. Some of them anyways. Thanks for watching.
@tyredf1podАй бұрын
Oof
@BruceWayne-nr3nlАй бұрын
Lando is a little nepobaby the guy thinks that he suddenly deserves all the win now that he has the fast car.. What were you armchairs expected Max to do? Just move over and give the win away? GTFO here with that snowflake DTS racing.. we want hard racing. Max does not give af about P2, he said it himself he's here to win and he rather DNF than Finnish p2.. Lando had all the space in the outside but decided to DNF himself and Max and ofc who else was the stewards that week.. Herbert the corrupt weasel himself.. the same guy who gave Fernando a penalty cause PR63 forgot how to drive..
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
They're all nepobabies. It's F1. Can't climb the ladder without access to tens of millions of dollars these days. As for your comments I would recommend you actually watch the video because we actually talk a ton about this and you'd be surprised our conclusions aren't that far off...
@BruceWayne-nr3nlАй бұрын
@@theflagstand7636 I only need to watch your first video, that you people made after the actual race.
@theflagstand7636Ай бұрын
@@BruceWayne-nr3nl 1. I wasn't in that one. 2. People are capable of modifying their opinion
@BruceWayne-nr3nlАй бұрын
@@theflagstand7636 What said is said, stick by it and be a man. ''People are capable of modifying their opinion'' keep changing your opinion till there's no integrity left.. It's like Oh I said some stuff but there's a backlash ohhh let me just change my opinion on the matter real quick, so it suits the narrative..
@BruceWayne-nr3nlАй бұрын
@@theflagstand7636 ''People are capable of modifying their opinion'' ahhhhh I see, so every video from now on I'm gonna wait for the next couple of videos till I give my take on matter, cause you people might change your opinion, I see now.