Can Greed Save RPGs?

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Spell&Shield

Spell&Shield

3 ай бұрын

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In light of BG3's massive success, Hasbro, WOTC and perhaps others have taken note and have promised to modify their approach to things leaving us with the possibility that their greed might actually be put to good use if channeled correctly. There are not many Larians out there so this might be the only way forward in many cases for RPGs.

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@GameZard
@GameZard 3 ай бұрын
No as greed killed RPGs in the first place.
@spellandshield
@spellandshield 3 ай бұрын
Fair.
@apres-lachute8718
@apres-lachute8718 3 ай бұрын
Your videos are great. They really should get more views. I think this is probably the only way forward because, as you said, no one is really like Larian. Better hope they can be patient with their greed.
@spellandshield
@spellandshield 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words.
@pihwht
@pihwht 3 ай бұрын
Enjoyed and I agree that there's a chance, especially if management of a particular publisher/corp is stable.
@121juggernaut
@121juggernaut 3 ай бұрын
Bean counters dont care about art, they dont care about people, they care about beans.
@Gauze-sb2fo
@Gauze-sb2fo 3 ай бұрын
Interesting. Ultima is also the game that Final Fantasy XIV’s producer references as his gaming/mmo inspiration.
@Gauze-sb2fo
@Gauze-sb2fo 3 ай бұрын
And you can also tell that FF14 is held back by corporate interests.
@lostzephyr2191
@lostzephyr2191 3 ай бұрын
Hopefully. Something needs to salvage the genre.
@pihwht
@pihwht 3 ай бұрын
Pretty sure WOTC didn't publish BG3.
@GameZard
@GameZard 3 ай бұрын
They didn't. They only licensed the IP.
@pihwht
@pihwht 3 ай бұрын
@@GameZard Right.
@Octarinewolf
@Octarinewolf 3 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Larian didn't feel appreciated by WotC either given their refusal to have anything more to do with BG3.
@jurgen4466
@jurgen4466 3 ай бұрын
Greed is NEVER good!
@Banefane
@Banefane 3 ай бұрын
The problem is the system. If you need a leader to push your well-trained developers and designers to make great games, and that often leads to failure, then the system is flawed. Likewise, well-trained teams will instantly crumble into dust if a leader is replaced by a bad one. Vincke's role was to be a coach and not a leader.
@Suzanne_sf
@Suzanne_sf 2 ай бұрын
I don't know. However, I do wish I could still play Ultima, that was fun, although I still don't know what was supposed to be found in the lowest dungeon & out in space. Thank you for reminding me of Ultima.
@UToobUsername01
@UToobUsername01 2 ай бұрын
It's all about balance as Mr Miyagi says in The Karate Kid. Money is necessary but too much greed can make you lazy because if you are paid too much you will try less hard if there is no competition. It happened to nintendo before sega brought out the megadrive in the 16-bit console days. You want companies to fear failure enough that they want to do their best work.
@kestrik
@kestrik 3 ай бұрын
I think the gaming industry (at this point) is similar to the movie industry. People want to see a great movie. Something entertaining and engaging, but with a game, the "viewer" gets to play the protagonist. When games are successful, they are successful in the same way that movies are successful. They have a unique and at least somewhat novel vision of the world created within the film (or game) that their audience finds compelling and interesting. Through the eyes of the protagonist, they viewer (or player) get to experience some form of wish-fulfilment that they often do not get to experience in the ordinary lives (e.g., smashing all of things, seducing or being seduced by a great beauty). Yes, movies and games need to be successfully produced (i.e., the budget and the capital raised for the project needs to be in-line with the film's vision, with grander visions requiring bigger budgets) but whatever is made is can only be as good as the talent working on the production. No one talks about the greed of the studio, when a movie is well received. Instead, fans revel at the success of the film. By buying a ticket they are part of that success. Greed usually only comes into play afterward. Where typically less talented people want to earn profit in a way that is disproportionate to the value provided. When a publisher or studio is producing content because they own the IP (or can easily replicate an existing vision) but don't have a vision themselves that is new or compelling. And the extent that they milk an existing vision, is often the degree to which their greed becomes shameful. Shame in not taking risks on something new, and shame in continuing to trade on a vision already sold. I think this is where Svend's decision not to make BG4 is so refreshing. He has faith in the talent to produce new great works, and a vision of something he believes will be new and even better. I see him as a talented director and producer.
@TheSaival
@TheSaival 2 ай бұрын
the hell you are talking about? A successfull movie is a movie that makes a lot of money. It doesnt even have to be good, all what you need is marketing and hype. The lower common denominator, the better. The product doesnt have to be good it just has to sell.
@kestrik
@kestrik 2 ай бұрын
@@TheSaival Well I guess I was talking about success in the sense that a film can be critically acclaimed and widely well-regarded by fans. Sure films can be financially successful, due to hype, but one could argue, overselling shit films has led to a decline in revenue by the movie industry as a whole. Also, when you look at the highest grossing films of all time, say on rotten tomatoes, you don't see many "rotten" films on the list. I might not have thought Barbie was a great movie, but it was well liked. Providing value to customers, imho, is still one of the best ways of growing a business and making money. And in the entertainment industry that usually means appealing to a wide audience, but still providing something unseen, something new.
@Charles_Bro-son
@Charles_Bro-son 3 ай бұрын
I'd rather call it good business sense. Greed sucks the soul out of everything. And I'd rather play no games than soulless games. edit: Remember that speech from Gecko in Wallstreet "greed is good, greed for money... greed for love..." - only that he didn't understand that's not how love works!
@leavesinautumn5959
@leavesinautumn5959 3 ай бұрын
In a best case situation, maybe .. They're just as likely to hold the course though, as this requires less from them and has enough of an market that it can still turn a profit. I hope it works out the way you've speculated though, I'd love to see another golden age for CRPG's.
@jakubmartisek9721
@jakubmartisek9721 3 ай бұрын
I would like to trust this, but I don't.
@thespawner
@thespawner 3 ай бұрын
Greed will save RPGs because RPGs make money. The same greed that gave schlock games will give us great game. It's all just circular reasoning that never addresses the inherit flaw of the system.
@TheSaival
@TheSaival 2 ай бұрын
Honestly, I cant fathom how games can cost so much. I always think 50% of this money is wasted on celebrities, marketing and doing some other worthless stuff.
@ktanner438
@ktanner438 3 ай бұрын
We do want more RPGs. I just don't charge the greedy MBA sludge huffers at Hasbro to do it properly. I'm sure they'll try but ultimately this company is driven by the same brain dead metrics and points of obsession so they'll make the same mistakes as most of the industry. They also fired all the creative minds at WOTC who worked with Larian; how will they make something viscerally interesting on an intellectual level when they laid off their smartest minds to mitigate quarterly losses caused by the bad decision making of the parent company?
@TheGismono
@TheGismono 3 ай бұрын
Hasbro has learned nothing, look at monopoly go. it a bad game but for some reason makes Money. That is what hasbros greed will lead. To say nothing of the firing of the whole dnd book team in december.
@Rapunzel879
@Rapunzel879 3 ай бұрын
Yes. The answer is yes.
@NkenKenY
@NkenKenY 3 ай бұрын
no
@nifftbatuff676
@nifftbatuff676 3 ай бұрын
The answer is "Yes. Looooooooooooooollllll"
@NkenKenY
@NkenKenY 3 ай бұрын
@@nifftbatuff676 nooooooo
@chaos9059
@chaos9059 3 ай бұрын
Bioware's last good game was Jade Empire. Mass effect and Dragon Age have a lot of issues. I don't know if that played a role in anthem's downfall though.
@deathbycognitivedissonance5036
@deathbycognitivedissonance5036 3 ай бұрын
In a world where greed is probably the only thing that motivates most corporations this might be our best hope.
@TheLastSoundNL
@TheLastSoundNL 2 ай бұрын
It's the balance between the artistic and the profit obviously. They are still products, most art is. Nothing new under the sun. If it's too much in the artist direction, you don't make a profit and you make a game completely up its own ass. If you only focus on profit there it's a soulless pointless cash grab and can still fail chasing their own golden goose game that Fortnite or Genshin are with minimum risk or effort. But it should be clear that niches leaning on the artistic side, are not as niche as the big companies think. Unfortunately the profit side are for the vast majority of the time the bosses of the other, instead of having equal say to get to the balance.
@Hekk.
@Hekk. 3 ай бұрын
Greed isn't bad if it's within reasonable boundaries. Nowdays enterntainment companies try to change the world for some reason. I'd take greed over manipulative & divisive political messaging which is often mistaken for a simple act of "pandering" (often, to non-existing"customers"). The impact of political messaging, whether positive or negative, often extends far beyond companies' individual motivations. Games as a medium shouldn't be used to mold peoples' views on real world. Games are supposed to be fun; allow us to escape from real world issues and just enjoy ourselves for a little while before we jump back on the threadmill of life.
@theobell2002
@theobell2002 2 ай бұрын
_"Games as a medium shouldn't be used to mold peoples' view on real world."_ What does that even mean? Art is and always was influenced by the politics of their time, not the other way around. Also, there is no such thing as "reasonable greed". Greed is by nature unreasonable.
@Hekk.
@Hekk. 2 ай бұрын
@@theobell2002 Greed isn't unreasonable by nature, capitalism (at least it's concept) is built upon the idea of 'reasonable greed'. There is a line between propaganda and referencing politics. Games as an 'art' aren't exactly the same as books, even though one might argue that games are just like interactive books.
@theobell2002
@theobell2002 2 ай бұрын
​@@Hekk. "capitalism is built upon the idea of reasonable greed" Funniest joke I've ever heard. If that was true then the government wouldn't have to enforce safety laws. "Propaganda" meaning whatever you want it to mean, right? Could you give me some examples of said "propaganda", btw?
@Hekk.
@Hekk. 2 ай бұрын
@@theobell2002 If you quote someone at least don't skip the important parts. I'm done with you.
@supermac8619
@supermac8619 3 ай бұрын
Wtf....greed is inexcusable because it leads to excuses and oversight for the sake of profit, how many times must this be proven?
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