To be honest, As a female revert to Islam , I would like to be in a Muslim Country. Salam from Sweden. (ps I do understand its different from me , then a person that have to flee from Muslim countries to save their lives or those of loved once.

Alhamdulillah, what an excellent episode! Imam Tom hit the nail on the head with his examination of the fundamental flaws of liberalism, uncovering truths that liberals in the comments find uncomfortable. We've all witnessed it. The moment a liberal encounters someone who dares to challenge their worldview, the "tolerance" dissipates. Couldn't agree more with his point about the lack of inclusivity within liberalism. While it claims to champion diversity and fairness, it often shuts down any differing opinions that don't align with its preconceived notions.

Imam Tom reminds me of Malcolm X. May Allah preserve you. Ameen.

To be fair, in the US, there are pockets of high density of Muslims. For example Dallas TX has seen a huge influx of Muslims and is arguably paving the way for establishing strong Muslim schools in the US.

This is the first time for me to this channel & hearing imam Tom makes me sad abt our umma & I wonder why many even thousands of muslims are willing there life & sacrifice death to go to Europe or west as a migrant ... its sore issue in muslim world I knw. I heard that migrating to another land in order to maintain your religion is kind of a worship.. but unfortunately its the other way round to us muslims as a whole. We need new breed of political leaders in muslim world that fear Allah Almighty. We all need to recognise that the sad thing is we are the ones to blame. Who blindly follows political leaders or partys.. its a form of tribalism that our prophet forbade, but no one seems to care abt The MBS's & el sisi's of our umma. Shame on to us 😪 Love from Maldives to all brothers and sisters of me 💚🙏

Thank you Thinking Muslim and Imam Tom. I've just finished a politics degree and moving on to an Islamic Studies one.

SoubhanAllah Imam Tom You leave us, as always, in awe. Direct, incisive, articulate, succinct, courteous yet courageous with more pithy quotes than one could possibly hope for. Aha. May Allah swt bless you for your kalam jamil, your beautiful speech, and continue to bless us with it. May He be pleased with your efforts and allow them to continue to be a sabab of guidance for many in the world, and especially in this, our wounded and scattered, yet brave and persevering ummah… InshaAllah

Those are the real Muslim of Islamic knowledge that we should listen to.

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:31 🏫 Liberal values and the Muslim community clash on issues like prayer in schools, holidays recognition, and sexuality education. 03:13 🤝 Liberals want to secularize Islam, creating a version of the religion that aligns with their values, which is why they push for "Progressive Islam." 11:22 🗽 Neutrality doesn't exist; liberal ideology relies on secularization to fit other value systems into a framework that it can govern. 15:21 👁️ Liberalism's view of humanity as material beings shapes its definition of rights and values, which can clash with Islamic values. 17:23 🔒 Liberal tolerance isn't absolute; it has limits, and secularization is often the prerequisite for tolerating a belief system or religion. 21:30 🏛️ Compromising with the liberal state varies in degrees, and some compromises may erode the essence of Islam. 22:26 🕌 There are different forms of compromise, including accepting citizenship, but some compromises may lead to the secularization of Islam. 23:43 🇺🇸 Living in the West, like the United States, can provide space to establish Islam without extreme compromise, depending on individual choices. 26:03 🏡 Intentionally choosing to live in Muslim communities and building Islamic institutions can help preserve the faith in Western contexts. 27:29 🇬🇧 Muslims in the UK have generally maintained their faith through generations, despite living in liberal states. 30:06 🗳️ In the U.S., liberalism is split between progressive Democrats and conservatives, revealing a tension within liberalism's relationship with the state. 32:28 📜 The U.S. Constitution is rooted in liberal principles but has limitations and historical contradictions regarding human rights. 34:46 🏛️ Liberalism's manifestations can vary among U.S. states due to the federal system, leading to different emphases on government involvement. 37:14 🤝 Navigating political life in liberal states requires Muslims to negotiate their rights within the framework of liberalism while maintaining their beliefs. 39:54 🌈 While Muslims may encounter challenges in liberal environments, there is room for courage and moral conviction to stand for their beliefs without compromising fundamental principles. 41:20 🤝 It's important for Muslims to be ready to make sacrifices in order to live according to their beliefs. 43:12 💬 Communication and principled stand are crucial when dealing with societal issues. 45:04 🌍 Islam can challenge the liberal project of secularization due to its emphasis on submission and righteousness. 47:17 💭 Nostalgia for a time when religious morals had a significant influence on society is problematic and unrealistic. 51:55 🔄 The idea of rewinding to a previous societal state is not practical; instead, Muslims should focus on addressing current issues. 58:57 📜 We need to think about how to move forward in addressing societal challenges, rather than attempting to reverse the secularization process. 01:00:18 🔍 Discussing and debating the ideas of liberalism within the Muslim community is essential, and there's room for more emphasis on this topic in organizations like Yaqeen Institute. 01:01:10 🧐 Many Muslims have internalized liberal values without realizing it, especially in academic institutions, impacting their approach to Islam. 01:02:03 📚 There's a need for Muslims in social sciences and humanities to critically examine structures through an Islamic worldview and communicate this effectively. 01:03:25 💬 Muslims should engage in discussions about liberalism and autonomy and explain why certain ideas may undermine Islam. 01:04:18 🌍 While Muslims can exist within liberal states, it's important to recognize that the freedom they enjoy is often not due to liberalism but to historical factors. 01:06:08 💡 Muslims have the opportunity to establish independent Muslim scholarship and institutions in the West but need to prioritize it and act with sincerity. Made with HARPA AI

This was a masterclass. AllahumaBarik .

These distinguished guests suggested: 1. George Saliba, Professor of Arab and Islamic Sciences, to talk about the transfer of science and knowledge between civilizations, the story of the beginning of the Arab-Islamic civilization, and the story of its collapse and its causes. 2. Dr. Zaghloul Al-Najjar, to talk about the story of the beginning of the scientific miracle in the Qur’an and Sunnah, and stories of scientists’ fascination with the scientific miracles in the Qur’an and Sunnah 3. Political journalist Salman Al-Ansari to talk about the problems of the international Muslim Brotherhood movements with regard to Arab rulers or Salafist clerics, and thorny political issues in which regional and global ambitions overlap in the Arab world

amazing questions and even better answers. Really benefited from this. Imam Tom's critique and analysis is so clear cut and so well elaborated. I love it. JZk. We really need this type of content.

Thank you for this informative discussion! Just a couple comments: (1) Muslims moving to the US solely for dunya reasons has had ripple effects, since their deen was probably not on point to begin with, and (2) some of our kids are leaving Islam because of their negative interactions with Muslims in Islamic schools and in the community. And let me add that (3) many of our community leaders, masjid presidents, board members etc. aren’t doing their job effectively, so we have neglected youth, languishing reverts, disgruntled women and sad kids while those in leadership positions are focused on self-serving projects and embroiled in petty disputes. There are amazing communities, but on the whole we really need to up our game. Because (4) not every Muslim family is in a position to choose their location.

It's always a pleasure to listen to Imam Tom ❤I knew him through the book analysis he did for "the impossible state" and Asad Talal's book, he's so articulate and knowledgable mashallah and I really look up to him. Thank you so much for your amazing ❤

Dear "The Thinking Muslim" team, thank you very much for facilitating such comprehensive discussions on challenging topics.

What he said at 26:00 is the way I had been since childhood prior to Islam. School friends were school friends and my real friends were siblings, cousins and neighbors. I remember telling my school friends, "I don't have friends, I have acquaintances" with regard to school friends.

Alhamd'lillah...we thank you a lot to have introduced us to imam Tom.may Allah be pleased with you both

Thanks for both. It is really interesting discussion. We do have opportunities and challenges. We have to stand for these challenges. Agree.

Thank you very much and may Allah reward you for providing Imam Facchine with this social media platform to provide his very excellent critique on the relationship between "Liberalism" and the Deen of Islam. His personal courage and educational foundation in political science and Islamic law equips him to be the type of Muslim leader we need to face the spiritual, social and political challenges of the 21st Century, al Hamdullilah.

I made Hijra in 2018 to Indonesia, I don’t regret it at all. Yes Indonesia is hyper secular and makes the red line very clear for Ulema, but I find that there is a higher probability of passing on values and ideas that are pleasing to Allah if I raise my children within a culture that’s traditions are inherently connected to Islam. Because my children would have grown up around my family who are non Muslims, I made the decision to sacrifice economically with hopes of increasing in Faith. I can say for a surety Allah has made a way for me from means I would never have thought and given me clarity in many of the misconceptions I had due to the many years of absorbing liberal secular ideas. Stepping outside the box, so to say is some time the best way to see what it truly is. However, I have to say my situation is very different than someone with a good Muslim family living in the Occident. Although, I would not totally throw out the corpus of Hijra (not saying Imam Tom is doing that) from experience I say Hijra is a valid option especially for young Muslim men seeking a spouse. Thank you Imam Tom, you always make things clear and concise. May Allah grant you success dunya wa ahkira.

Great Lecture on political science from an Islamic perspective Very Humble and balanced as always God bless

Thank you for this discussion. Much needed.

الحمدالله Thank you for the clarity. Critical questions and insightful answers.

Allahumma barik ,this conversation was Amazing Mahallah may Allah preserve them both

Thank you for this. JazakAllah a khair. I can tell you at least in my situation in Chicago USA, I can live more of my Islam then in Palestine and not because of the Israeli government, but because of the non-religious pressure of family members and community. So far there is more space here then there for my situation. Allah knows. I would have loved to be born there and stay in the blessed land but this is how it turned out so far.

much needed discussion especially with current extremism from liberalism going on. Thank you was a great listening to both. I believe this is very similar to story of youth running to Caves in surah Kahf because it reached to point where we are close to currently. Dangerous times for holding onto religion.

Mashaa Allah this imam is a gem for the ummah may Allah protect him from all evils n grant us more of his kind ameen

MashaAllah brothers what a beautiful and thought provoking conservation.Immensely beneficial.JazakaAllah for this.May Allah SWT reward both of you

Great discussion Imam Tom. May Allah bless you. Brother Jalal, can we have a video on waqfs? What is a waqf? Why do awqaf exist? How do awqaf function? Which are the countries apart from US, which allow for the establishment of a waqf? Questions like that. Also Imam Tom, please release the pdfs that will allow Muslim children to know and defend their faith.

Thanks, Ustadh Tom!

Really enjoyed this episode, jazakallah!

We don’t deserve Imam Tom. May Allah bless and reward you both for this podcast!’

I really enjoyed this presentation quite a bit. Although I am not Muslim myself, I greatly enjoy listening to discussions and perspectives from strong Muslim thinkers. I completely agree with the need to take a principled and disciplined stance against the "liberal inquisition" as the host has termed it

Jazak Allah khairan what a rich and most needed discussion. May Allah reward you both inshallah

Excellent interview. Very informative.

Mashallah Tabarakullah That was excellent..

An amazing discussion and debate.

Great questions by our brother and host. Jzk to both ❤️

Fantastic episode as usual

Great discussion I learned new matters and how to deal with them. Thank you for sharing.

This was insightful - Brilliant talk - mashaAllah wa baarakAllahu feekum. From Cape Town, South Africa

Been following Imam Tom for a while on the Utica Masjid KZfaq channel. Alhamdulillah,v he's a leader and a man who understands the challenges Muslims face in the west.

Great Podcast! اللهم بارك لكم ولهذا المشروع

Excellent discussion on how the Liberal ideology must be taken head on but with humble clear debate. JazakAllahokhairun

Fantastic discussion. Jazakallahu Khair

Excellent discussion on the really issues of the Ummah facing very usefull ideas and methods to navigate/solve our problens jzk.

What a great discussion thank you

Thinking Muslim should be congratulated for bring in good, useful, relevant discussions. Imaam Tom Masha Allah. Allah's gift to the community

Thank you, jazakAllah Khayre I love Imam Tom

Imam Tom is rising super star !

Fruitful Conversation 💚

If you are so fundamentally opposed to the basic tenets of secular liberal systems, why stay? Is it ethical to call upon the liberal belief in freedom of speech to promote your faith to the masses while simultaneously limiting other's freedom to express themselves?

Wow. What a talk. Mashallah muslims waking up big time alhamdulillah

This is so needed thank you. I literally just had to stick up for myself in an ABAR training. It was very hard and my colleagues have spent the last two days attacking and isolating me.

Excellent program

If you look closely there are vast parts of this country that have large Amish communities that have a lot of authority and control. Many also have a tax free status and thier own schools and institutions. Muslims could take notes.

Great presentation ❤❤❤

Brilliant talk mashallah. Thankyou

The preferred outcome would be for us to be wiped out by the right, and this isn't even a difficult choice to make for people who have taqwa and tawakkul. حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ جَابِرٍ، حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو عَبْدِ السَّلاَمِ، عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ يُوشِكُ الأُمَمُ أَنْ تَدَاعَى عَلَيْكُمْ كَمَا تَدَاعَى الأَكَلَةُ إِلَى قَصْعَتِهَا ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ وَمِنْ قِلَّةٍ نَحْنُ يَوْمَئِذٍ قَالَ ‏"‏ بَلْ أَنْتُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ كَثِيرٌ وَلَكِنَّكُمْ غُثَاءٌ كَغُثَاءِ السَّيْلِ وَلَيَنْزِعَنَّ اللَّهُ مِنْ صُدُورِ عَدُوِّكُمُ الْمَهَابَةَ مِنْكُمْ وَلَيَقْذِفَنَّ اللَّهُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمُ الْوَهَنَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا الْوَهَنُ قَالَ ‏"‏ حُبُّ الدُّنْيَا وَكَرَاهِيَةُ الْمَوْتِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ Narrated Thawban: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish. Someone asked: Will that be because of our small numbers at that time? He replied: No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will take fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and cast enervation (al-wahn) into your hearts. Someone asked: What is wahn (enervation). Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): He replied: *Love of the world and dislike of death* Sunan Abi Dawud 4297 Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) We are not supposed to value a comfortable dunya over an honorable death defending the truth. If the Right share more of our values but want us dead, then we either assist them in protecting our values and defend ourselves when they try to kill us or we at least stay neutral. We won't face any punishment for being killed. It's actually the exact opposite. Being killed while defending Islam is the highest honor.

Been saying this for a long time but this podcast does not miss 🎯. May Allah bless and accept from everyone involved, Ameen. Major shout out to YM at 25:00, one of the main reasons I’m a proud Muslim today Alhamdulilah.

What Imam Tom said @ minute 24 is so true!

Jazakallah khayran for the Shaykh's amazing insights. One off hand remark that I think deserves a discussion on its own it the chest thumping under disguise as Dawah. A far as I can see all these so-called cyber celebrity dawah guys, at least in the Anglosphere, call to themselves, attack others, and nobody actually calls TO Allah. What does dawah even mean to them?

Masha Allah

May Allah bless and preserve the shaikh

As-salamu alaykum. The video discusses the challenges that Muslims face in the West, such as Islamophobia, demonization of Islam, and erosion of religious freedom. Imam Facchine and Dr. Warner argue that Muslims are facing a "liberal inquisition" in the West, and that they need to be more assertive in defending their religious beliefs and more proactive in engaging with the wider society. Allahu a'alam.

Great lecture and insight. We want the hereafter but we don't want to die

May all humans - no matter what their sexuality is - be blessed with the same rights.

Got my mentor🎉

The question is whether to sacrifice your religion or sacrifice your rights. They aren't offering any other options.

Can I recommend the novels "Hadji Murat" by Leo Tolstoy and "Death and the Dervish" by Mese Selimovic. With those tomes under one's belt, the Believers will be better equipped to deal with such issues.

The best advice, as always, is that of the Quran: Lakum deenukum wal yadeen: You have your religion and I have mine (109:6). And let Allah be the Judge, on Judgement Day.

Been following your podcast, never hit me that you could also have youtube 😂

This guy is a G!!!! I hope he can fix the yaqeen institute and all it’s modernist loving teachers!

11:34 Liberalism/ Secularism isn't about separation of Church and state.

Genius mashaallah ❤

I see a significant issue here that we we can drive a truck through. No one is asking any Muslim to become gay or transgender all that is being asked to you cling to your faith and let those that are transgender enjoy what they like. Where is the issue in that?

Environmental Science University might be our priority for facing the age's of climate change@toxicity

When the soul will see Jannaht, than it will say, that is what i always desired.

In the name of Allah The Beneficent The Merciful To be a Ghazi a True Ghazi for the religion of islam and it's founder Allah I believe that should be the ambition of every Muslim now Stay alive and keep fighting Secondly to be the Chief Executive and the Chief Commander is a privilege which I seek Allah to bring it and give it to me Allahu Akber , Allah is Greater !

Get imam tom for another episode

18:33 Tolerance of Liberalism is a MYTH.

Certain system - military state - democracy - then tyranny. 🤔 Interesting!!! May Allah save us, Aamiin.

@imam tom do you put the blame of the malaise with the secular state or liberalism ?

Assalamualikum what does it mean liberal inquisition ?

asalaam alaikum, thank you again for these discussions, however, I must state clearly again that Allah is not a deity - a deity implies an idol of worship, hence to consider Allah a deity would be to approach idolatry. I can understand why a former Christian would make this statement, but it's not a correct understanding of Allah - it is clearly stated in the Qur'an that Allah is creation, hence why, again, in the Qur'an, it is stated that Allah does not and will not explain all of creation to us and how the cosmos came to be etc (I am building off what is stated in al-Kahf), because that would require us to be able to see into other dimensions of reality, which we humans are incapable of -- we can make models and assumptions, but we will never witness an alternate dimension beyond the 3rd/4th dimensional time-space. Allah is the cosmos/creation itself, not a Zeus-like figure given to us through Judeo-Christian beliefs. This understanding in no way invalidates morality or afterlife -- I am not allowed to kill anyone I please, for example, unless of course my life is threatened by them attacking me under conditions of oppression. I can submit to ensuring paradise in this life for those that follow after me (who will remember you in an act of embodied afterlife, hence the significance of martyrs), for a less provocative example, and indeed, when we ascend in this life or pass on, as some would say, we are not separate from the cosmos, since we are made from the cosmos. We do not say that someone buried is separate from the Earth, for example, that would make no sense, and even if someone were to be cremated, their ashes are not separate from the cosmos or the Earth either. One lives on by returning to the cosmos, if you like, in a way that is beyond the material human body -- we contribute to the soil, for example, or air and so forth. As Allah made us, we may die as an individual, but are still part of Allah's creation after that individual death.

Wonderful discussion. The issue of raising Muslim kids is a little more nuanced so I disagree a bit with the Imam on the reality of Muslim lived experiences. Some of what he says is true but there are also pockets of rather large and active communities in the US where parents don’t have such stark choices. For example in the DC region and outer suburban communities there’s a strong Muslim presence where parents have access to good jobs, good schools, but also where we have built strong centers of religion. These are some of the wealthiest communities in the nation and you’ll see plenty of Muslim kids in public schools who also have access to religious schools and education. We need to build critical mass in more communities. How else will we attract more people to our deen if we’re so insular?

I think islam and liberalism cannot coexist, both are different systems. There may be Islam in liberalism like many others, but there cannot be liberalism in Islam, right?

I thought this was an interview with Matt Walsh! Lmao!

But it is important to feel you can say things and not getting in jail just because you speak an opinion. That do not mean though that you should say anything.

Islamic Perspective on Freedom As a Muslim Islam gives us the right of 'Freedom of Thought & Speech ! The Islamic concept of freedom of expression is a expression to allow all Muslims .. The superior Islamic concept that should be more prevalent to access for the propagation of virtue and truth. Rather than spread or excite the evil and wicked virtues . For Instance : According to 'Ahlus Sunnah wal-Jama'ah' the Prophet Muhammad RAS (pbuh) said : "The best people are those living in my generation, then those coming after them, (Tābiʿun), and then those coming after (the second generation)" The difference between a Liberal and a Conservative ... The Conservatives believe structure is based on 'everyday politics' with undertones of a monotheistic inclination. In which the greater importance of stability, and promotion of the law and order to protect private property. Whereas the 'Liberals' believe and interaction questions the universal access to health care for their personal, health. And this 'health care system' should not be dependent upon one's financial resources, Therefore this includes the support of government intervention and funds. ...

The Imam claimed that some Moslem states are anti islamic. Which Moslem states does he mean?

I am Buddhist, I believe Muslims can be liberal and Muslims you are our friends. We are not like Hindus. We respect your faith and rules. For the engaged Buddhism iou are aloud to practice meditation as long as you respect us.

45:41 Daniel Haqiqatjou??

39:20 They do not believe in it either. Everyone is a cultural liberal. Ask them why they aren’t tolerant of bestiality or necrophilia. They will never accept that under the Trojan horse of tolerance and respecting everyone as they have had you believe with the case of two gay men.

13:02 There's no such thing as neutrality

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Sirs,what you are discussing is that liberalism is a threat to the existence of Arab religion,which indeed it is. But why do you gentlemen feel like that ? Follow your 5 tenets and enjoy the fruits of modern technology.

In the name of Allah The Beneficent The Merciful Having the choice of declaration of my pronouns he and him makes me feel good and happier That gives me the opportunity of freedom to choose who I am and I want to be That is good I must say here that freedom is a gift from Allah to the mankind Allah is Greater I have chosen to submit my self in islam to Allah And this does not restrict me in any way to my peers who have chosen to submit themselves to their forefathers and founding fathers religion and that is secularism I can understand that is their choice and their way It gives me a better cause to argue with them and express my opinions when I declare that there is no god except Allah and Muhammad is His servant and Messenger and to challenge them However when it comes to social status and state secularism I still need my Liberal views to argue with the government that I as a Muslim should be able to participate with my belief and feelings using the Scripture of Allah into the law making process and I while relying on the guidance and the verses of the Scripture which I believe The Glorious Qur'an must be free to do so For instance in Turkey adultery is not a crime neither an offence Whereas in my religion and the Scripture it is So my argument with the verses of the Glorious Qur'an to be able to participate in the law making process and I should be able to give a law offer to make adultery illegal in the voting in the Assembly of Turkey TBMM Here is the most important part that is is the President of Turkey and the TBMM will ever allow me to participate and break the rule of secularism on forbidden participation with the Holy Book ? This is my right My right of inclusiveness and equality and participation which the secular democratic constitutional countries deny me

so far autonomy has not been given its due. the Sharia is there for our benefit and only good comes from its adherence, but the sharia does not mandate career paths nor is it a compulsory curriculum that eats up 7 hours a day for 12 years. the struggle you describe has drawn heavily on the reality of school as it is, but no discussion of solution at the level of school

1:02:40 - Timestamp. Jargon ; )