A note: second pair of F-35 wouldn’t ever need to turn on their radar, as the AMRAAM can now be fired to track targets via datalink

This guy knows what he's talking about for fuck's sake.. xD

Fundamental flaw in the premises of this scenario is Su-35 cruising at Mach 1.8 with full combat load of missiles and bombs. That just isn't going to happen. Even Mach 1 cruise with that load would suck gas at too fast of a rate to provide for a viable combat radius. The other fundamental flaw is the F-35 operating as an interceptor, which it isn't meant for. F-22 rules that roost, and you don't want to show the scenario for F-22 against any of the Su-27 variants.

Funny how everyone is so certain of their assessments of these aircraft when all they know about them is the inflated claims of the manufacturers. Salesmen love you guys.

He honestly deserves more subscribers

How can people dislike this. The video is amazing

Is this the Russian Kermit the Frog?

This didn't age well.

Iran vs Saudia arabia Please

Binkov should be in charge of an allied American and Russian military

Great analysis! Really good job.

Very interesting. Well-done editing.

wow the comment section is really civilized.....

But Binkov, They are different role planes, it would be much more appropriate to compare Su-35 against F-22, as they are both Air Superiority fighters. F-35 is multirole fighter, and should be matched with Mig-29

Thank you admiral BINKOV!

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I love your channel Binkov! Keep up these great videos :)

the Netherlands VS Belgium plz

Another great analysis. Gratz

you are very good at your job

I'm impressed, this is surprisingly in depth analysis for a silly KZfaq frog video.

You used to work for Sesame Street right?

Why does this scenario have air superiority fighters flying a strike mission and strike fighters flying an interception mission? Weird.

Good analysis

Soviet Union vs United States before the collapse of the Soviet Union

India vs China ( allied forces included)

fantastic - very agrresiv calculation

Well what kick ass video. Superb.

make a video on India vs Pakistan and China

Do Croatia vs the rest of the Earth

Thank you for the awsome content supreme commander Binkov. : p

nice job 😁

Wow! I was just thinking about your channel and boom you upload a new video.

Rafale Vs eurofighter!

Just discovered this channel; great stuff! I especially like the way Binkov uses realistic missile performance rather than a "lock on = a kill" approach. Too many people don't realise that when a missile is quoted as having a XXkm maximum range, that's from a front-aspect, at a non-manoeuvring target. And the thing about stealth is that you're only stealthy until you do something aggressive. It's great to have, but doesn't give you a magic sheild. Once again, great content, my little Russian hand-puppet!

Hey Birkov I really like your videos. I want to get to know more info about geopolitical strategies. Do you have any books to suggest?

I love you Binkov! I would love to see an armor vs armor video from any two countries

so 5th generation fighter have a bad day vs 4.5 generation fighter

Very good video

The F35 has a system that cools the entire plane including the skin to lower its infrared picture. I just thought I'd mention that. It's amazing all of the technology they placed into one small aircraft.

I was gonna say ''man it's gonna be hell in the comment section'' but not really Good job being civilised

hey binknov plz do a video on India vs Pakistan

Flat earth “theory” just got busted at 0:51

Very interesting

The only war is in the comments section haha. Be prepared for cancer

i was wondering how a direct confrontation between Europe and Russia will go... with no US interference... let's say that US sais: ''guys, we're tired of fighting wars for everybody....we're out on this one''.... cause EU is hard on sanctioning Russia and blaming it for everything...so i would like to know if they can back their claims in war scenario without running behind US's skirt...

Props for not jumping on the F-35 hate bandwagon. God is that tiring. Interestingly realistic scenario here. None of that "The Su out dogfights the F-35 = It's a better aircraft." There's way more to both the equipment and the situations involved than that, as reflected here.

Even military experts of those nations use this in their analists and practises ))

Binkov - many thanks for sharing this and for taking the time to look into this. That being said I have a few questions for you. It's no great military secret that the stealth shaping of the F-35 is optimised in the X-Band and above in the forward aspect only. On side view this breaks down quite drastically leaving the F-35 open for detection, particularly if their flying combat spread of 60km+ across. Did you take that into consideration? As a case in point LockMart are so nervous in the late 2000's they wouldn't let Danish test pilots fly that type of formation in the simulator. The other thing to consider is the IR signature of the F-35. You may or may not be aware of the rubber insulation for the fuel cooling breaking down for the wing tanks. So at 30000 ft and above you have a differential of 140 deg C over a wing area of 42.7m^2. This would drastically increase the range the IR sensors would detect the F-35. Did you take that into consideration?

i like how do don't favor on side over another

this video will help out in bms.433 cant wait to get home so I can fly my F16

continue in the same spirit))) everything will be decided soon!

This is like a sesame street for war gamers.

Hey random stranger scrolling through the comments... Wish you a happy new year

Wow! This is deep!

Personally if Liverpool fc win the premiership title this season i`ll take them all on with a Sopwith camel , a cigar, a Union Jack flag and a Browning 9mm pistol.:)

he seems to really know his shit

California vs Texas!

I love the correct assumtion using current not future weapons tech

Things that you need further consideration: *LPI radar modes. *Internal jammers being used much earlier in the engagement. F-pole advantages. Also the R-77/K-77M is not dependent on the firing aircraft only for mid course corrections.

First off I'd like to say I like your video, it is well made and you clearly have researched everything thoroughly. Having said that, I can't quite agree with your conclusions. To start with, it is impossible to believe that high value targets, in a tense geopolitical situation and with 4 F 35s flying CAP would not have continuous AWACS support. The AWACS aircraft that should be there would spot the incoming Sukhois many hundreds of miles away, and with the F35's data fusion capabilities they could maneuver into optimum firing position against the Sukhois and launch their AMRAAMs without ever even turning their own radars on, mid course guidance would be provided by AWACS. The only warning the Sukhois would have would be when the AMRAAM terminal seeker heads go active, and this would be mere seconds before impact. Avoiding missile impact would be miraculous in this case, and the Sukhois would almost certainly be wiped out. If we were to accept your scenario and have the F35s unsupported by AWACS (unrealistic as that is), I also cannot accept the Sukhois having a firing solution on the F35s with their R77s more or less concurrent with the F35s getting firing solutions on the Sukhois. The AMRAAM that will be used on the F35 is the AIM120D, which will without any doubt have a longer range than the R77. Additionally, your scenario envisages the Sukhois coming in at low level to avoid, or at least minimize, radar detection. This will work for the ground based radars (the Sukhois will be flying below the radar horizon) but won't work for the F35s' radar. A fully armed Sukhoi Su35 is not in the least bit stealthy, and the F35 will have no problem detecting it at very long range, particularly as the Sukhois will be flying over the sea. Seeing as the F35s will be flying at high altitude and transonic or even supersonic, the F35s will be in theoretical AMRAAM range substantially sooner than the low and slow Sukhois will with their already inferior R77s. The Sukhois will be fired upon repeatedly for several minutes before they can even think about firing back, and that's assuming they will even be able to detect the F35s. You say also that the Su35 enjoys a speed advantage over the F35. This is true if both planes are flying clean at the same altitude, but in your scenario the Sukhois are flying at low level (where the air is thicker) and with wing stations fully used (creating drag). The F35s on the other hand are flying clean (as all armament is carried internally) and at high altitude (where the air is thinner). They will easily outperform the Sukhois for speed. Lastly you are very optimistic that the Sukhois will detect the F35s with their own radar at such range. The F35 may not be quite as stealthy as say the F22, but it is still a low observable design, and (when the F35 points its nose at the emitting radar, offering its smallest cross section, which it will be doing in your scenario) it won't be picked up on radar until it is very close, likely much closer than the scenario envisages. This means the Sukhois won't even see anything to shoot at for many minutes, while being shot at from unseen enemies and likely taking serious losses.

Famous "highly likely"

Wonderful! May God bless all of us around the world.

I remeber my military era on 1986-7 on czech military airbase. We were able to track F-111s over Alps . Tamara, Vera. 8-bits "homemade" comps driven passive radars. Raytheon bought it (No, it was not "tunneling" of the Czech company Tesla Pardubice) late 90´s. Very usefull as we saw in Syria today.

You forgot to include that the F-35 can target and fire Standard Missiles from navy ships. Also, you have to take in to account that the F-35s APG-81 is magnitues more powerful than the SU-35s PESA radar.

It's refreshing to see an analysis presented in an unbiased manner using real data regarding technology and tactical doctrine.

Nice I would've expected a loss for f-35 defending but a win on attacking given there abilty to sneak in closer

good and excellent video. The video was a good indication but know one really knows what or how the x 35 would perform until action

can you do m1 abrams vs t90?

I seriously don't believe a multi role airplane like f35 is that good. There is a reason why USA sells f35 and not f22

Another problem I see are the pk numbers listed for the AMRAAM. You mentioned the general acronym "BVR" with stats from the Gulf War. Most of the BVR missiles fired in the Gulf War were AIM-7, which we don't use anymore. There is a huge gap in performance between the AIM-7M and AIM-120A, let alone the AIM-120D-4. Also keep in mind that unprecedented levels of development and cyclical testing have been transpiring for many years now with the highly maneuverable QF-16 drones we use, with extreme flight envelope parameters able to be tested on an airframe that has a lower RCS than either the MiG-35 or Su-30 and Su-35, with faster instantaneous turn rate. They have been able to test AIM-120D-4 and AIM-9X against these, then make programmatic changes to the architecture of the AIM-9X and AIM-120D. Most of the testing is done on BVR shots with AIM-120D, including advanced self-protection jamming and countermeasures used by the QF-16 to simulate the latest threat profiles of the MiGs and Sukhois.

about ranges: F-35's missiles (AIM-120D AMRAAM) have a range of 75+ cvt; that's at the far end of the range. However, it is unlikely that the SU-35 would detect the Lightnings on radar (or IR seasons) until the lightnings are within 20 to 40 miles, well within a very lethal envolope of the Lightnings. Furthermore, it is likely that the rear pair of lightnings would use the radar to track and illuminate the Flankers, and while the Flankers would think the threat is further away, (Let say, 60 to 80 nmi or even 100, or at the far end, 200 miles?) the missiles are coming from, let say, much less than 40 nmi). AIM-120s won't start illuminating with their own seekers until the terminal phase of the attach, so that may give Lightning a further edge if the SU-35s don't detect the launch of the AMRAAMs, but even if they do and considering the effectiveness of AMRAAMs, , I think it is Very unlikely the Flankers would ever fire first, and by the time they're aware of an enemy, the Lightning may have fired all their misses and be pulling back for the second pair to attack from a different location. Tactics like this have scored 15 to 1 kill rations for F-35 against non-stealth (But very capable, aggressor pilots at RED FLAG (who are some of the best pilots int the world)). The Kill ration for F-22 with similar tactics is even more impressive in simulated combat against non-stealthaircraft. . I think this scenario, video, while interesting, gives too much credit to the SU-35's ability to shoot first, and detect the Lightnings, and ignores how big of an advantage stealth and stealth tactics make in such a defensive scenario. Yeah, I disagree that Lightnings would launch at the "edge" Maybe if lightnings used the older AMRAAMs with 50 nmi but the newer D variant they use would be far from the "extreme" range. I'm doubtful a single Lightnings would be lost in the defensive scenario for the lightnings., while I belie all SU-35s would get wipe before reaching the target.

I think you may be overestimating the Su's speed advantage given its external stores and its ability to find/lock the F-35

Angry Russians incoming at 5.....4.....3.....2....

One thing you left out/missed. AWACS. AWACS is another level of radar coverage (airborne) which enables friendly aircraft to receive real time data and radar lock, while not risking detection by using its own radar. This mixed with the F35's superior IR detection HAS to increase its effectiveness and survivability. But overall, a good video!

3:02 Radar cross section in Bdsm :-D

Seeing how Indonesia's Sukhois purchase is in jeopardy, and the government is begging the US to sell Indonesia F-35 after making pressuring them to cancel, this is going to be a baseline overview of which one is "better" or "good" But with my personal bias... GET THE SUKHOIS PLZ

Say what you will about the F-35, the fact that it has a tiny radar cross section really does give it quite advantage.

Commissar Binkov, please do a video on the F-22 vs. F-35.

F35 is a very slow moving half invisible duck flying in the sky with the Su's and Mig's blasting shots at it from long stand off range in safety!

Chile vs Peru

Can you do Russia vs Europe?

In July 2008, simulated air combat involving the Su-35 fighter against a mixed fleet of American fighters - F-22, F / A-18 Super Hornet and F-35, where the latter was "beaten with a club like a child". The simulation was conducted at the Hikam Air Force base in Hawaii, witnessed by at least four representatives of the Air Force and military intelligence in Australia. A member of the Australian Parliament, Denis Jensen (Dennis Jensen), expertly stated that during the "strictly classified modeling" the F-35 was "mercilessly beaten by a Su-35 fighter"

Man behind the gun !!

I'm surprised they are using the F-35 as a counter measure as a more practical fighter would be the F-22 Raptor. The F-35 is more of a ground/bomber. (As it was designed for.)

Su-37 vs Eurofighter Typhoon.

The F-35’s maximum sustained turn rate is 18.5 degrees a second which falls behind the F-22’s 19 degrees a second but not by much since they have similar lift to drag ratios because of the similar airframes.

That USAF claim is from 2005...you know, when the F-35 hadn't even flown yet and they didn't know how stealthy it was going to be. Every time a USAF officer in the know has spoken about the F-35's stealthiness since, they've said it was stealthier than the F-22, while the source you used from 2005 for the RCS size claims the opposite.

i hope you know i watch f-35's fly over my house almost every day so i can learn about them and i bet they are gonna make the F-35 lightning II better! and the f-35 has a helping hand! just saying

Before I head on over to Part 2/2 I just have to say the Su-35 is simply gorgeous. The F-35...not so much.

Pilot skill play critical role in every dog fight, his familiarity with his play toy can decide the outcome apart from the jet's armament n technical superiority.

It's a fairly good analysis, but it doesn't correctly model how the SU-35's speed and maneuverability are limited when carrying a full weapons load. The SU-35s carrying the ground attack weapons would be especially affected.

my left hand vs right hand

Brazil vs Venezuela (Brazil with the Gripen NGs)

Finally!

Hi Binkov, what about scenario of leading 5th generation fighters with 4th generation fighters further behind to destroy 5th generation fighters after range is close enough for visual combat and the lightly armed 5th generation fighters have launched all of their missiles? Once the positions of the 5th generation fighters are known, couldn't the higher speed, more maneuverable and more heavily armed 4th generation fighters hunt them down and destroy them? It seems as if the 5th generation fighters are best for offense and first or surprise attacks.

The SU-35 needs to replace it's Irbis PESA radar with a more powerful AESA radar, like the Zhuk AE, or the one mounted on the Pak-Fa

You're ignoring one thing though. Russian. Hackers.

What will you do without avax and without GPS? All stealth will be forced to turn on the radar?

Could you compare jf-17 with fa-50? The jf-17 a joint venture of china and pakistan. While fa-50 are us and korean project.