Joseph Smith wrote to Emma that he "rejoiced" when he and his traveling companions saw the physical evidences of the Nephites, and he discussed them with the Saints. Clearly it's okay then to discuss and rejoice in the evidences pointing to its authenticity.

My heart stopped when at the beginning you seemed to say you were stopping your videos. I said “NOOOOOO!!” Out loud! 😂 I love your channel so much! It’s Soooo refreshing how you always tie in personal experience and testimony with your posts!💕☀️ Top class guys! 🔥🔥💪🏻💪🏻

"It is the author’s opinion that all the scriptures, including the Book of Mormon, will remain in the realm of faith. Science will not be able to prove or disprove holy writ. However, enough plausible evidence will come forth to prevent scoffers from having a field day, but not enough to remove the requirement of faith. Believers must be patient during such unfolding." - Neal A. Maxwell

I've always thought it was interesting that the Church openly declares where they believe the empty Tomb in Jerusalem to be, and walking where Jesus walked to be a sacred experience, and all the work they've put into restoring historical Church sites and encouraging visitors, so it's built into our DNA to WANT to visit these sacred lands, and therefore natural to want to know the locations of the Book of Mormon lands. So for those reasons, I think it's important to seek, and if found, it would be no more of a distraction than us wanting to visit any other sacred places. That said, I can still be right in line with the Church's statement about why they don't make a definitive statement about locations as it is still unknown. I believe evidences are to be found, just as many are found for the Bible, and will be revealed in time. Thanks for the work you are doing!

I loved this video that’s what me and my brother are trying to do with this Chanel to strive to not miss the mark while holding collective thoughts from multiple backgrounds creating peace instead of creating battle grounds Good job at the hard work

I think it can be 51% proven. Just enough that it'll always inevitably be left up to our faith and agency to accept it or not.

Love what you’re doing and appreciate that great final message!

It is so refreshing to me at 73, to see young men testify of what is true! I love your interactions and impressions regarding the history of the Book of Mormon... keep it up!

In addition, there were a lot of events in the BoM that seem to have shown up in present day. Not just the gadianton robbers though. How about the conversion of Alma the Younger? The sons of Mosiah? Enos? etc. I happen to know, personally, the power of those transformations because I have had them. Having that experience granted me the ability to give the greatest number of people the greatest amount of forgiveness. The pandemic taught me a lot about that. But the BoM isn't true just because of historical date, but because I can testify that the experiences of those who lived in that time are real and powerful. I love the Book of Mormon AND the Bible. They connect in very real ways because the real test of each of their teachings is, "Did Stephen rise from the dead? Did Paul really change? Did Peter really raise someone from the dead?" The answer to those are all "YES" but only to those who have actually done it. To the rest of society, it remains a mystery. These, I believe, are the miracles that will overcome much of our corrupt society, if we can seek it out.

Love your show keep it up. 😊

I couldn’t care less where the BOM happened, but still cool to have a space for those who do in the church culture. Just love the BOM for what it does: bring people to Christ and inspire changing of hearts.

Thanks for your work.

Man, you guys are such brothers! Always interrupting, correcting, and razzing each other. I can tell which one is the "big" brother. You crack me up. Yet you make a great team. Keep up your good and important work. Message well received on not getting too wrapped up in the where instead of the why the Book of Mormon was given to us. I hope that didn't sound "dumb" or "stupid."

Appreciate you fellas 👏

I think one of the most intriguing things you said on this video was that we have narrowed the historical questions down from 205-34. I wonder if you could find someone who, instead of doubting the gospel truth because of the 34, has looked at the other 34 from the standpoint of "well, there are 171 that have been borne out. I wonder what I can do to see the other 34 from a different perspective?" What an interview that would be. LOL

Being afraid to look at evidence around the Book of Mormon is like being afraid to look at evidence for the Bible. Don't be afraid. The book is true. God has not given us a heart of fear. Who knows exactly what you'll find but God likes effort, faith and humble inquiring minds.

..thanks guys. Greetings from Auckland. Semper Fi

Thanks for this ❤

Amen Brothers

I look forward to future posts! You’re doing great work!!

I love faithful comments so much.

I love the the relaxed atmosphere

Rockin it brothers! Hey - CHIASTIC writing! I hope you have that on the docket for an upcoming episode. To me, CHIASTIC writing is one of the most convincing evidences that Joseph didnt just make this book up out of his head. Keep up the good work!

I love your content and the work you are doing but I have to disagree with you guys. In my mind it matters IMMENSELY where the book of mormon took place. All you have to do is go back to the source. Joseph and Oliver. Read letter VII from Oliver Cowdery. Read the Zelph account. Read the D&C accounts where the first missions to the Lamanites took place. We know where Cumorah is. We know where Joseph got the plates. That does not mean that the Lamanites did not eventually go South after 400 AD and mix with other Asian migrations to make up the Mayans, Inca's etc after those final battles at Cumorah.

Neal A Maxwell said it best. The lord will never take the Book of Mormon or Bible out of the realm of faith but there will be enough evidence to make certain the critics cannot have a a one-sided argument. The Bible places being historical in the end does not prove Jesus Christ was resurrected and the savior. That comes strictly as Peter discovered by revelation. Hugh Nibley(and Tad Callister) both have shown quite well that time vindicates the prophets and the Book Of Mormon.

If the point of faith were to teleport us to the end of the road (IE remove the distance we are to walk) we would have the knowledge of only two steps. The journey not only gives us a greater knowledge, but allows us to become travelers. Maybe to metaphorical? Great points guys

Yes l! Pray about it😊

If God told everyone what church is His true church, nobody would want to ponder, seek or struggle to find the truth. Many of if us would lose the opportunity to experience hardship, deep conviction, testimony of why this church is true. There would be no testimony, no need to seek, no struggling for truth, if God gave us everything without struggles & doubts... The reason we seek Gods truth is because we are looking for answers, truth, comfort. ..and to get there, we need to have doubts, we need to struggle, we need have pain.... Without these obstacles we wouldnt search intently for Gods truth & comfort.

I love archeology and historical artifacts and by taking that love and intertwining it with the Book of Mormon, I’ve completely revitalized my desire to really studying the Book of Mormon. Some people can read the same book over and over and stay content, but after my Nth time reading it became a chore. By layering in the hard evidence god has allowed to be revealed, it has opened up my mind to so many more mysteries of god. It was a little disheartening when the church came out with their statement as I felt it was an overreach of caution, but for others maybe it was necessary.

I love your guys' statements about taking the Book of Mormon text seriously. It has so many pearls to offer us if we have a broken heart, contrite spirit, and eyes to see.

Love the “off the cuff” approach.

“…left them on Earth.” (Speaking of the plates) already sounds fantasy land to me; but I nevertheless am intrigued by the Book because of the substance I’ve found in it so far…it just makes me ask questions; like: if it wasn’t written or translated by Joseph Smith in 3 months, then where did it come from?

6:49 where did you guys buy those gold plates? I want to buy a set myself.

great eppisode, Looking forward to the descussion on anacronisms. Good to keep in mind not letting differences of opinion harm friendships.

This video reminds me of a talk by Elder Quinton L. Cook entitled "Valiant in the Testimony of Jesus Christ". He reminisced about staying in a cabin on his father's ranch. There was a power pole right outside the window that distracted him from the view of the property. To me, focusing to much on where the Book of Mormon took place can become a distraction to how beautifully the Gospel of Christ is played out in the Book of Mormon.

When Christ asked his apostles "Whom say ye that I am?" Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God!" Then Jesus explained something more vitally important than all scripture. He said to Peter "Flesh and blood has not main known unto you but my Father which is in Heaven!" Then he explained that this concept and principle of Revelation is the Foundation Rock on which He would build his church.

i love this!

For me the evidences are not what physically prove the Book of Mormon true, but it helps gives me insight and understanding of it better. Things like why things were done a certain way and help us see things through the lense of when it was written, instead of our Modern eyes. Understanding the Historical part, for me enhances things that I would have missed otherwise.

Field Museum in Chicago had a display saying the most common Mayan hieroglyph is “and it came to pass.”

I loved this video. You are right: maybe loosey Goosey might be the most rightly tighty. Kidding aside, congratulations!

Where can you buy that Good plates box? ❤😊

Keep up the great work guys!

The book is its own proof...The book of mormon is not on trial...the people of the world is on trial...with what they do with this book prepared by God for the benefit of His children in these last days.

true, even if the plates are still here or the sword of Laban etc. I am not sure if people will still enter the water of baptism.

I have a very different question to answer. Would it be at all possible that I could come onto your show and share with you my testimony of Lord Jesus and his most amazing love for us? Would that be at all possible??

I love watching you guys on your journey and totally agree that your spiritual journey is more important than historical. I am 71 and read the Book of Mormon for the first time when I was 21. For the last 50 years the Spiritual experience that I received from the Lord changed my life in every way. Back at the beginning I knew the BOM was true and then decided to do a historical study to find out which church succeeded the church after Joseph Smith was killed in 1844. In my studies I saw the BOM denied polygamy and said there was only one God. Joseph Smith’s family did not follow Brigham Young to Utah where he introduced polygamy, Adam-God, celestial marriage and other teachings not taught in the original church. This was proven, by the way, on February 24th,1880 in a U.S. federal court in Lake County, Ohio. The court ruled the RLDS was the legal successor to the church of 1830. Joseph Smith designated his son Joseph Smith III to be his successor, not Brigham Young. In 1860 Joseph Smith III took his father’s place as the prophet/president of the RLDS. In your videos researching the Stick of Joseph I never hear you guys talk about the church’s successor after Joseph Smith’s death.

Hey guys I know you both. I encourage you to keep reporting and let us decide as wayne may says

Knowing the he location of the Book of Mormon has nothing to do with my salvation. I have my own opinion, and I think it can be backed up, but I could be wrong. I am often wrong. And I'm a big girl. I can handle being wrong. I don't hold it against anyone who disagrees with me. Because frankly, I don't care. But I still think it's cool!

You guys are fun to listen to ☺️ Ever wonder if one of the reasons we aren’t supposed to know the exact location of the Book of Mormon is because the BOM became a witness that Jesus Christ is God of the whole world? Without a precise location being told, it’s easier for us to resonate with it being a global gospel. I’ve heard/read/seen so many evidences and appearance’s of Christ from all continents. Why wouldn’t there be records such as the Book of Mormon elsewheres? That would be an interesting video if you ask me- exploring other witnesses that align with the Christ we read about in the Book of Mormon. Keep it coming!

EVIDENCE Smith Boys were highly educated: Excerpt from Hyrum Smith: a life of integrity by Jeffrey S. O’Driscoll In 1811, the Smith family moved to West Lebanon, New Hampshire, where Catherine was born on July 28, 1812.[22] By then, things were looking up for the family. Lucy remembered, “We settled ourselves down and began to contemplate, with joy and satisfaction, the prosperity which had attended our recent exertions.” Hyrum and his siblings had received little formal education to this point, but their parents made arrangements for Hyrum to attend the academy at Hanover and for the other children to attend a “common school.”[23] The academy, or Moor’s Charity School, was associated with Dartmouth College in Hanover, a few miles north of the Smith home and on the same side of the Connecticut River. Lucy did not explain why Hyrum was chosen to attend, but it may have been simply because his cousin of about the same age, Stephen Mack, was already a student there. One of the school’s tutors, Andrew Mack, was also a distant relative.[24] Eleazar Wheelcock founded the Moor’s School in Lebanon, Connecticut, in 1754. Its curriculum extended beyond simply educating students; rather, it focused on preparing them to become teachers and preachers. In 1769, the school relocated to Hanover, New Hampshire, and became associated with the newly founded Dartmouth College. With the establishment of a common school in Hanover in 1808, the academy further refined its focus to prepare able students for additional scholarly education. But it maintained its religious influence, and students attended daily chapel services at the White Church on campus. If Hyrum attended in 1811, as Lucy seems to indicate, he joined a class of thirty-one students, which grew to fifty-six by 1814.[25] School records are incomplete, but the “Hiram Smith” listed in the August 1814 record was one of the “charity scholars” studying arithmetic.[26] Charity scholars were not merely students with limited financial means. The designation also implied remarkable intellectual potential. School president John Wheelcock personally followed the progress of these student scholars, who were supported from his limited funds. Hyrum’s designation as a charity scholar in 1814 implies that he performed well academically during his previous years there. The outbreak of “typhus fever” in late 1812 interrupted Hyrum’s education.[27] He came home sick from school, perhaps at the end of the quarter in February 1813. His whole family was eventually infected, but Hyrum, despite his own illness, was determined to do his part to alleviate their suffering. He relieved his mother and sat at Joseph’s side for days or weeks until Nathan Smith-an attending surgeon at Dartmouth College, whose daughter Malvina attended class with Hyrum-operated on Joseph’s leg to eradicate the infection. Whether Hyrum and Malvina’s association was significant or even known to those involved is not recorded. As Joseph’s leg improved, his family sent him to his Uncle Jesse’s home in Salem, Massachusetts, in hopes that “the sea-breezes would be of service to him.” The rest of the family, financially devastated by a year of illness, moved to Norwich, Vermont. Hyrum’s return to the Moor’s School now required him to travel about four miles east of his home and across the Connecticut River. His youngest brother, Don Carlos, was born in Norwich on March 15, 1816.

I read the Book of Mormon last year. If any of that stuff happened there’d be literally TONS of evidence. Swords, chariots, machines, money, art, transaction records….. You’d be able to drill into the dirt and lake beds and find pollen from wheat that predates the Europeans bringing it here. I’d like to see the two of you discuss this with legitimate archaeologists.

You guys are awesome. Love your content and passion. Seriously… AWESOME. That said, Jackson, it’s “cognitive dissoNance” not “cognitive dissaDence”. If you’re going to wield the big boy words, it’s best to say them properly. Also, you said, “…you have to *disband* all reasonable thinking…” I think you meant “dispense with” or “dispose of.” But you’re STILL awesome. Carry on.

Well, there’s a lot that I wish I could say about this, but I think I need to keep it brief. I agree with the brothers here. We need to be reaching out towards each other with an olive branch and making peace and finding things that connect us and unite us, not divide us. The book of Mormon, and all the history that surrounds it, because I do indeed believe it is actually a historical record… Should serve as a beacon, and eventually the Lord made a promise to Joseph that he would cause the earth to reveal the truth of all these things. He has kept his promise, and things are being revealed more and more week by week month by month and year by year. One precept at a time. One fact at a time. One hidden clue at a time is being revealed in my own small way I have also seen these things be revealed, and it has bolstered my faith and made me strong in the lord, even though I know I am still a center and have a long way to go. I believe now more fervently than I ever have in my entire life. I am actually reading the book of Mormon now, and I am understanding it and I can feel the emotions from the people prying out from the pages. For me, this has become a personal thing, and because I am also interested in the archaeology and the history, and I have witnessed things that would otherwise be unexplainable And I have been places that would otherwise have been a mystery because of my faith and my desire to know I have felt the spirit witness to me that some of these things I have seen in these places I have been were important, and there were in fact people who were there and things that happened And those things are within the pages of the different books, compiled by Mormon. Reading his testimony and the testimony of his son Marone I actually made me cry. I’m a masculine man, but I feel like a total wimp compared to people like Marone. The courage and spiritual strength it took for those men to do what they did, and especially at the end to stand alone in an entire vast land is astonishing. How much I wish I was more like them. Speaking of which, I really appreciated having seen both sides of the “debate “with the episode, including Wayne May, and the other episode presenting Keith handy and their different points of view. I’ll tell you something… I think they are both right And when the missing pieces of the puzzle are presented, all of the stories, and both of the Americas will be united through the things that happened both in the book of Mormon, and the things that were not written in the book of Mormon. Remember, there are other records that have not yet been found, or translated and presented to the people. When those records come forth, what an amazing thing it will be. In the meantime, we have to guess, and all the rest is a test of our faith. Do we believe these people lived here and get these things.? I do. For me, there is no debate. I believe this with all my heart, and that’s why I feel things when I read the stories because I know they are real. I’m not a fool and I don’t have cognitive dissonance. I’m educated and I have some training in archaeology, especially in stone tool recognition, and I have seen things that lead me to truly believe that this story is real and these things happened in all of the Americas. Just wait and see. You’re gonna love it.

As one with a PhD in Geography, those who minimize the importance of Geography do not understand geography. Our LDS critiques are asking why are their no maps in the Book of Mormon, which is a very fair questions. Geographers teach that history and religion without geography are fairytales. Those who foolishly believe Geography is not important should maybe tear all the maps out of the back of their Bibles. Notice the First Presidency and Quorum of the 12 flew all the way to Israel and went to Jerusalem to testify of the divinity of Jesus Christ. If Geography is not important, why did they not just go to the City of Jerusalem movie set near the south end of Utah Lake to testify or go to Las Vegas if Geography is not important. We need to stop fooling ourselves and establish the location of Book of Mormon events. The ruins in MesoAmerica are Hindu and have nothing to do with the events described in the Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith knew and he taught the peoples of the Book of Mormon lived in the US. Stop throwing Joseph Smith under the bus.

Have you guys interviewed the guy that wrote The Burning Book? It gives real meaning to the title page.

3:25 The term "watchers" is used in both the Book of Enoch and the Book of the Giants. In the Book of Enoch, the watchers are a group of angels who were sent to Earth to watch over humanity. However, they fell from grace and began to have sexual relations with human women, giving birth to the Nephilim, a race of giants. The watchers' actions angered God, who sent a flood to destroy the Nephilim and punish humanity. In the Book of the Giants, the watchers are also a group of angels who fell from grace. However, they are said to have taught humans forbidden knowledge, such as how to make weapons and jewelry.

Many people forget that people before the turn of the century knew far less about historical truths just for the Bible but many were so faithful in just its teachings. The teachings and words is what keeps faith in any religious denomination, not historical validation.

Even though Joseph Smith and other Prophets of the Church have as much as said that it takes place in North America?!

NO PLEASE DON'T STOP THIS CHANNEL! WE LOVE IT!

Time is an allay of the BoM very true bros

Great video! Soon we’ll have more evidence, even if it’s Christ that has to show us when he gets back. God bless you on this journey that you can keep your hearts pointed the right way and that you’ll be able to contribute to new discoveries.

Ok I’m not lds, I did go for several months to try and understand. I have read up until a little into 3 Nephi. In first Nephi when they’re in the desert before they come to Americas, I swear the meat is ceviche. I read it and it sounded exactly like that. A member of the bishop rig was impressed and the missionaries thought I was crazy. I really don’t think Joseph Smith would’ve known what ceviche was. I’ve seen what I think are contradictions but then I’ve seen things like that that do sound “God inspired.” What do you think?

Apologies upfront for my long-winded response that most will not read through. LOL 😴 Whether the Book of Mormon is a translation or a revelation, or a combination of the two, we find ourselves pondering why God would permit it to contain so many anachronisms. This list, which is not comprehensive, presented without specific ranking, raises questions about the books' historical authenticity over its alignment with pre-Columbian anthropology, archaeology, and all other related pre-columbian studies. It's as though these anachronisms were intentionally placed by God, challenging the entire body of research to reconcile with the Book of Mormon's narrative. The narrative of the BOM stands in opposition to all pre-columbian anthropology. There is no historian or anthropologist outside of BYU and even many within BYU to support the Book of Mormon as historical. Note: I still think it's worth recognizing that the Book of Mormon may still offer value to many individuals, serving as a unifying force that helps foster shared ideals, dreams, goals, and rituals. We can see within Jewish culture and practice there are many, many of those who do not hold a literalist view of the Old Testament and yet find meaning connection and value within the Traditions customs and rituals centered around the Old Testament and modern Jewish cultural community. Will Mormonism survive the same way? Hard to say, though, I think there is still something worth saving and keeping here. 1. Horses: The Book of Mormon mentions horses, but there is no evidence of horses in the pre-Columbian Americas during the time periods described. 2. Elephants: Similar to horses, elephants are mentioned but did not exist in the Americas during the relevant time periods. 3. Wheat and Barley: These crops are mentioned but were not present in pre-Columbian Americas. 4. Silk: Mentioned in the Book of Mormon but not known to have been present in the Americas before European contact. 5. Steel: References to steel weapons and tools, when steel-making was not practiced in the Americas during that time. 6. Chariots: Chariots are mentioned but were not used in the pre-Columbian Americas. 7. Cattle, Pigs, and Goats: These animals are referred to but were not present in pre-Columbian Americas. 8. Bees: Honeybees are mentioned, but the type of beekeeping described did not exist in the Americas before the arrival of Europeans. 9. Coins: The Book of Mormon describes a system of coins, which were not used in ancient America. 10. Compass: The "Liahona" is described as a type of compass, but this technology would have been anachronistic. 11. Windows: Windows, as described in the Book of Mormon, were not used in the construction of the time. 12. Revolving Doors: Mentioned in the Book of Mormon but not consistent with ancient American architecture. 13. Scimitars: These specific swords were not used in the Americas during the Book of Mormon times. 14. Glass: Mentioned but not produced in pre-Columbian America. 15. Bellows: Used for stoking fires, mentioned in the Book of Mormon but not used in the time described. 16. Cimeters: A type of sword that is mentioned but did not exist in pre-Columbian America. 17. Advanced Metalwork: The book describes techniques that were not known in the ancient Americas. 18. Seven-day week: Mention of a seven-day week, which was not used in the pre-Columbian Americas. 19. Language: Some critics point to the use of linguistic features, including proper names and phrases, that they believe to be anachronistic. 20. Biblical Quotations: Certain passages closely resemble sections of the King James Bible, leading some to argue that this reflects 19th-century influences rather than ancient ones. 21. Iron Working: The Book mentions extensive iron working, which did not exist in pre-Columbian America. 22. Domesticated Sheep: Mentioned in the Book but were not present in pre-Columbian America. 23. Brass: Described in the Book of Mormon, but evidence of widespread brass working in pre-Columbian America is lacking. 24. Figs and Olives: Both of these are mentioned in the text but were not cultivated in the ancient Americas. 25. Synagogues: The Book of Mormon mentions synagogues, which were not present in pre-Columbian America. 26. Harvesting with Sickle: The use of sickles for harvesting is described, but sickles were not used in the Americas at that time. 27. Cement Houses: While cement was known to ancient Mesoamerica, the specific technology described in the Book of Mormon is seen as inconsistent with what was used at that time. 28. Greek Words: Some critics argue that certain words used in the Book of Mormon have Greek origins, which would be anachronistic for the time and place described. Like the word Christ. 29. Breastplates and Helmets: The type and technology of armor described are seen as inconsistent with what was used in ancient America. 30. Crossbows: Descriptions in the Book of Mormon seem to refer to crossbows, a weapon not known in pre-Columbian America. 31. Wine and Vineyards: The Book of Mormon mentions the cultivation of vineyards and the consumption of wine, but there's limited evidence of viticulture in pre-Columbian America. 32. Swords and Cimeters: While earlier points touched on scimitars, the widespread use of swords in battles as described in the Book of Mormon is seen as inconsistent with pre-Columbian warfare. 33. Faith in Christ: Critics argue that the Book of Mormon presents a fully developed Christian theology hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus, which they consider anachronistic. 34. Seer Stones: While seer stones and similar objects were used in various cultures, the specific use described in the Book of Mormon has been viewed as more reflective of 19th-century folk beliefs. 35. Gold Plates: The concept of religious records being kept on metal plates, while not entirely foreign to ancient cultures, is not supported by archeological finds from pre-Columbian America. 36. Secret Combinations: Critics suggest that the portrayal of secret societies or combinations in the Book of Mormon seems to reflect concerns of Joseph Smith's era, particularly anti-Masonic sentiments, more than ancient societies. 37. Plows: The Book of Mormon references plowing, which is inconsistent with the agricultural practices of ancient Americans who used different methods of cultivation. 38. Flocks and Herds: The frequent mention of managing large flocks and herds is inconsistent with known practices in pre-Columbian America. 39. Raising Grain: The Book of Mormon mentions the raising of vast amounts of grain, but the specifics are seen as inconsistent with pre-Columbian agricultural practices. Also, the claim that the Book of Mormon contains words and phrases specific to the King James Version (KJV) is quite significant in the debate over the text's authenticity. 1. Italics in the KJV: The KJV translators used italicized words to indicate words that were added to the English text to make the meaning clearer but were not present in the original Hebrew or Greek. Some critics claim that these italicized words also appear in the Book of Mormon's quotations from the Bible, suggesting a direct dependency on the KJV. 2. Specific Translation Choices: Critics point to specific words and phrases in the Book of Mormon that match the KJV but differ from other translations. For example, the use of the word "charity" to translate the Greek word "agape" is distinctive to the KJV and is also found in the Book of Mormon. 3. Matching Errors and Inconsistencies: Some critics argue that the Book of Mormon reproduces not only the distinctive wording of the KJV but also some of its inconsistencies and perceived errors. They claim that these similarities are too specific to be coincidental and demonstrate that the Book of Mormon is drawing directly from the KJV. 4. Phrases Not Applicable to the Book of Mormon Context: Critics also point to phrases that are carried over from the KJV even when they don't make sense in the context of the Book of Mormon. These include some idiomatic expressions and figures of speech that are specific to the Jacobean English of the KJV.

Even if people could see the golden plates, the sword of Lehman, the Breastplate, they would still not have to believe. We always believe because we have faith that it is true.

Hi You guys! Thank you for making this video. I ❤ you guys as well.I am an honest and in good faith Critic of the "Veracity" or Truth claims of the Book of Mormon. I Love Books including Religious Books like unto the Book of Mormon. It is a Beautiful Story and I highly encourage everyone to read it as well. We can learn from one another and like you said even Grow and thrive from all experiences and interactions. Regardless of our disagreements there's a certain beauty in the various interactions happening here in the comments of your videos. You guys are awesome.

I'm so glad you guys are covering this. I find more value in the Book of Mormon being a divinely appointed text than a historically accurate one. But I believe an open-minded approach, such as the one you're having, will reveal more truth than a surface-level one (see Mark Twain 😆)

Thank you so much for your thoughtful comments today. It is my belief that if all questions were known, we would have a sure knowledge of something and there would be no curiosity. It would require no act of faith. No one would need to have a spiritual confirmation if they had the intellectual confirmation that it was 100% accurate. Joseph would’ve never gone into the Grove to ask which church was true, if it was already a”known “truth. I think the Lord wants us to have the spiritual confirmation Before the intellectual confirmation. ❤🕊️🙏

There are only two reasons I can think of that would make knowing the geography of the Book of Mormon germane: 1)That is to provide a resource for historical context, that is mostly absent in the Book of Mormon. Just like how understanding Biblical history and context expands and deepens it, as well as correct errors of reading into the text, having something similar would be helpful with the Book of Mormon. If it took place in Mesoamerica, that presents a hugely different sociocultural context than the Heartland. At present, we're grasping to understand the depth of Lamoni's conversion, since that idea and narrative makes sense in both cultural contexts, but vastly alters some of the implications of the story depending on where and with whom it took place. 2) Latter-Day Saint Geographically oriented Eschatology: We have a very location driven eschatology in regards to the events leading up to the Second-Coming. New Jerusalem is to be built in Jackson County, and the statements made about the Nephite Promised Land and it's take-over by the Gentile nations does not match Mexico at present. Mexico, which encompasses the proposed Mesoamerican setting, is not a "land of liberty". Most of it is run by militia like cartels these days, and people have to bribe officials to live. It is a route used by people fleeing poverty and deprivation (sometimes law enforcement) in South America, to get to the USA. Of course, certain readings of the text and words of the prophets can overcome this, but it is still a difficult thing to harmonize. Clarification, or revelation about the specific location of the Book of Mormon events can help in evaluating "signs of the times". Other than this, the geography question shouldn't become a distraction from the overall truth and wonder of the Book of Mormon, and certainly never a question of true or false faith, because you believe in the wrong model.

The Tower of Babel is the last big issue to resolve within the text of the Book of Mormon.

Great work guys. The BoM is always true blue through and through for people who sincerely asked and found that it is true by power of the Holyghost, unless you are scared to find out that you are wrong and the book is indeed not evil. The spirit of God never lie for honest and brave people. Love or hate the book. I love the book just as much as i know the bible is inspired by God for us.

If you are interested, I have some insights on the Book of Mormon that might be interesting to your audience. Let me know if you would like to bring me on your channel.

Joseph said that there would be evidence. That's why he made sure to point out evidence to the early saints.

What are the 502 anachronisms and the remaining 34?

An Atheist says the Bible is a fairy tale. Non Christian will say Jesus is not a God. The Bible recieved many critics about divinity and reality of Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon is a witness to the Bible.

The gospel topics, essay… Is that written by mid level management of the church? Who is the author of the Gospel topics essay In order for it to have any validity in your presentation, don't you think that would be important to identify

Historical/archaeological proofs can't be the basis for anyone's testimony of the BOM, but they can strip away excuses for not trying to build a testimony

My testimony of the Book of Mormon comes from reading and pondering it. It is meant for our day to help us grow closer to Christ. The intentions to provide potential evidence (Central America, Heartland, etc.) can be very good. The evidence can serve to strengthen testimony as we try to relate to the Book of Mormon peoples, places and times. I choose to begin where Joseph did. Even though the pyramids of Mexico, the Hindu like structures of Guatemala, and the amazing stone ruins of the Inca of South America witness to great civilizations in ancient America they may not be of the main peoples who are recorded in the Book of Mormon. I do find the evidences found in North America (especially the heartland theory) to be the most compelling (after considering the others first for decades). But whatever the real limited geographical area of the Book of Mormon is I will have no problem accepting it once it is revealed to us by God. But in my opinion God has already revealed it and continues to witness it, we just choose not to accept it, so much easier to accept giant stone structures south than evidence of two ancient peoples around dirt mounds in the free promised land of North America. I have no doubt there was trade via the rivers and Gulf of Mexico at times between some of these various groups of people, etc….

It was! Just ask! at least that's what everyone tells me.

Got nothing to say, just got to push the algorithm.

The church does not want to convince random people to believe. The church wants people to hear the word of God. The people get to choose what they believe once they hear it.

I plan on publishing enough videos on my channel to prove the Book of Mormon is 100% true. I have 4 so far and plan on publishing 1 per week. I'll probably end up with 30-40 videos. My theory is by far the most plausible, it just didn't take place where you think. This is the only solution. I've debated the Meso-America vs Heartland for almost 4 decades and the Old World Theory is the only theory that answers every question (almost).

JS stated that YHWH Elohim commanded him to tell us where it happened and JS stated todays easteren USA

It’s mere existence alone is proof. Trying to explain the details of how the Book of Mormon came about without bias leads to miracles.

Hello guys, I used to live in Utah, off and on for about 12 years, and I have respect for the church and it's followers. However, you have some problems here. For instance at 7:15 in this video, you say God would have left "a lot more" physical evidence here if he wanted us to know a 100%. Saying "a lot more" implies there is some. But is there any physical evidence that's been found anywhere in the Americas that is still here, in a museum or in the church's possession, that is positively linked to Jaredite or Nephite or Lamanite culture? Any coins, swords, tools, weapons, structures, reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics, or other physical artifacts that are definitively linked to any group from the BOM? Something that even non member researchers agree on? I don't think so. Also, is there any location from the BOM in the Americas that is confirmed to be a BOM site? (except for maybe Hill Cumorah). Where was Zarahemla, or the River Sidon? What is the narrow neck of land? Your own researchers can't seem to agree themselves. Until you have some of these things you don't really have "evidence" per se. You can get the anachronisms dowe to zero, but that's not evidence. Just like the plural of anecdote is not evidence, a lack of anachronisms is not evidence either. It's amazing that if the BOM is true, and all that happened therein is real, that after nearly 200 years you have no physical evidence. And it's not like people haven't looked. Do you know the story of Thomas Stuart Ferguson? I assume you do but if not it's quite interesting. Your church membership would grow tremendously if you had real, convincing, physical proof. Anyway, good luck with your work here, you seem like nice and sincere people, like most Mormons I have known.

I'm sure God intentionally ensured the Book of Mormon, just as any other aspects of belief in God, cannot be definitively proven true. If God wanted to provide incontrovertible proof of the Book of Mormon, or even His own existence, it would be a trivial matter for Him. It would also totally destroy the requirement for faith and undermine our agency.

You're totally wrong about the idea that the existence of gold plates, would unequivocally prove the Book of Mormon to be true. Nothing could be further from the truth... If the gold plates were sitting on a table for all to see, handle and examine, we would be thoroughly engaged in arguing over their authenticity, the translation and every other conceivable aspect and with absolutely no regard for the words contained therein or the Savior..

You guys are spot on. My feelings exactly. I've gone thru a horrible trainwreck. I was a 100% believer in the Church's story. A hook, line and sinker, believer. But I know there is truth here and I too feel the same way about the BOM. There is so much there about Jesus. Too many Jesus stories to be all wrong. But the where it came from, the how much is true, and how we got it, is the question. I like Wayne May, Mike Handy (spelling) and others who believe they are right. But when you vary from what we were all told, you've proved your own false claim. However, I absolutely believe the BOM story has a true story someplace. And always will. It's about a people someplace. It may have been super-sized, it may have plagiarisms in it, but someplace in that story line, I believe there is a true people someplace that learned about Jesus and had a faith in Him. But when the Church changed the Golden Plates story to a rock in a hat, when suddenly there are 3 versions of the First Vision, late entries into our history and Church excuses for everything, the Church discounted their own story. I have more evidence to what I say than there is room here to put. But thats not the point. When the Church went to great lengths to rewrite history, hide how things really came about, they became their own worst enemy. As for God wouldn't have left all the evidence that proved to us for sure the BOM was true? Well, He never would have left behind bad evidence either. Misleading evidence. Evidence that kept us swirling in darkness AND He never would have tried to be so vague about it that we're fighting over it. That ain't His style. But you are also very-very spot on, on how we should treat each other. Jesus wouldn't be having us fighting over who's right. That ain't His style. Great show. We're closer than you think. Thank you.

Who cares if the Book of Mormon can proven true or false? The Bible has been proven 90% true geographically. It hasn't convinced Most Humans of Christ's Divinity.....right? The ONLY thing that matters is that the Holy Ghost testifies that it is true .

If the BOM was a fictional book with fictional characters that came from the imagination of Joseph Smith, then what would that mean to you?

How did Joseph Smith predict the Civil War 28 years before it started?

I heard what you said about being kind to each other and I certainly agree. Too much anger and hate in the world. But I was really disappointed in the main message of your video. It seemed a lot like the usual double speak that often comes from Latter Day Saints. Hard to explain what I mean by that. It seems though, that no one in the church will ever answer questions other than with, 'you need more faith', or 'to study harder', or 'pray more', or 'read more scriptures', etc. A person can be led to believe that because they can't find answers, the answers don't exist and the work is likely fiction.

If a revelation was received... we would know. Until then all you can do is continue to talk about why you think your idea is the best.

Don't mind the haters who visit here, the devil is strong with them. The devil hates the Book of Mormon, he uses his angels to attack it. Ever notice you don't find people attacking Hinduism and Buddhism all day long? Those religions are not a threat to Satan, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, however, is, it is a HUGE threat to Lucifer.

No question your most important episode. I do want to add to a coment you made. 60 lbs of solid gold. After everything that Joseph Smith and others went through in relation to the gold plates being in his possession, what do you thing would have happened if the saints kept them while being persecuted? In other words to rely on faith is the primary reason the plates were returned to the angel Maroni, but it may not have been the only reason And in addition to my final remarks. Just kidding

You guys seem really nice and sincere but there is no way on this earth that the BOM is a historical document, there just isnt. You can argue that it is a special book, you can even argue that it is of God and will bring happiness and direction to those who read it but you cannot argue that it is historical. The best you can do is say that MAYBE someday it will be shown to be historical, you cannot say that it IS historical and stay intellectually honest. As it stands right now, if you look at the evidence as it is right now, the verdict is non historical. I remember wanting it to be something it just couldnt be and hanging onto the hope that one day it would be but in the end I was left wanting.

No. But neither can the Old and New Testaments or any of the other scriptures. There are various items discovered in a variety of scholarly fields that provide evidence that the various scriptures are plausible for the times and places that they all have originated, but that does not constitute irrefutable proof for any scripture, nor does it have to be. There is always an element of faith with all the scriptures as it should be. If there was irrefutable proof, everyone who didn't accept the irrefutably proven items would be damned, period. Our Father is luckily more forgiving than that and gives us the continuing opportunity to learn, grow, and accept more and more knowledge of and from Him or let us stagnate in our development by rejecting all or some of His words.

I believe you are correct. science and time have been good friends of the book of mormon. Those two allies will continue until the day where all truth is completely revealed. But the fact of the matter is that just as with the Bible, the test is not of the book. the test is for whether each of us love God enough to follow his commandments in the face of imperfect knowledge! Faith in Jesus, leads to the actions required by God. I do NOT believe that we will be judged on whether we were correct on where the events took place. We WILL be judged on our faith in Jesus Christ and the actions that faith led us to take. the test is whether we will follow Jesus, NOT whether we will follow the Archaeology! Think about it... We know where Jerusalem is! The Bible is still being challenged! If you think that if we found a sign post that said "Zarahemla 50,000 cubits this way -->" that challenges would not still take place? silly. the haters would just move the goal post again like they all do... One day we will all have a perfect knowledge...spoiler alert, it won't happen in this life. we MUST act in faith. All that said, the archaeology and the stuff these men are doing is really fun to follow! Thanks guys!

I have mormon family, and we had some talks about the book of mormon, but i will had to say that is The bible is first and over the book of Mormon, if you find some discrepancies in the books , will ya follow the book of mormon over the bible? do you make the same investigation over the bible archeology and finding and then make a comparison on the findings on the book of mormon? any way, God bless you.

Well yes your relationship with Christ it's very important but it's even more important to make sure that the source of the information you are getting your relationship from is actually accurate otherwise you are practicing lies. And it is simple to prove the entire doctrine of Mormon false, if you believe in God at all, then you respect and believe his word, and he said when he comes back it will not be to create yet another book that by the way he just created at the time of him being here on earth would make no sense for him to create another one on the other end of the planet, he said when he comes back "He will cleanse the earth. When Jesus comes again, He will come in power and great glory. At that time the wicked will be destroyed" and that is the order of his word with no room for interpreting it any other way.

The answer to your question is no, but I can show you heaps and heaps of evidence that suggest it’s a fraud. Interested?