And delicious to the taste

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

Don says alot of things as if they are facts but are in reality speculative at best. Hes wrong on a lot of things.

@@Mr.Ut21 what’s he wrong on?

@@Mr.Ut21 I’m waiting…

Very good point. The different records started even earlier than we might have expected.

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

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Holy cow that's pretty amazing!

Believe me, he knew. He was one smart cat.

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

My copy arrives today

@@scottishwarrior3547 Who is mosses?

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

@@scottishwarrior3547 … what?

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

Same. Checking the scriptural references while reading the way it was intended (see Robert kay) I'm afraid has unlocked meaning that is truly shocking. There are many references to temple ordinances that I never realized. Prophets literally stating that the Lord told them not to write about them. This is blowing my mind, and is simultaneously sending a warning for us to prepare. Repent. Be humble. Seek Christ. Follow the spirit. Sometimes I feel like I probably sound like the crazy lady standing on a corner screaming at people while rambling out some random verse... Honestly, this stuff.... I can see why God told Joseph not to translate a sealed portion. This stuff is life altering / deep.

It is extremely likely that any sword or weapon forged in Joseph's day was bronze/brass. They are cast in to a general shape, then hammer forged for strength, which drives out the voids and improves molecular alignment. Terribly unlikely it was steel.

@@Mr.Ut21you just never know

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

@@MemyzelphandI agree to disagree

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

@@scottishwarrior3547 Mosses was translated into what? Tiny plants?

I think he means like Elijah translated or taken up with out dieing . Is that what you mean ?

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

​@scottishwarrior3547 I've seen you make this comment 3x now, but have no idea what your point is. Please elaborate.

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

@@scottishwarrior3547 Mosses grow in all kinds of places, like on manure, and near waterfalls.

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

After the Assyrians invated Israel during the time of Isaiah about 100 yrs or so before BoM starts, alot of the Israelites fled back to Judah, apparently Lehi and Labans families were among them. Laban was a sort of 'captain of the Guard', or a sheriff. Mayor type of Jerusalem. The issue during Zedekiahs reign was that he was instructed to not make an alliance with Egypt but to stick his alliance with Babylon (we see later with Daniel and Esther and others that the babylonians were receptive to the gospel, the Egyptians were not). Zedekiah made an alliance with Egypt anyways, which is why Nebuchanezar invaded Judah. He needed control or influence in that area, and would not give it up to Egypt. But this happened some 15yrs AFTER 600BC. Laban was long dead by then, and his replacement long in place. Why mention him? The Jews liked Egypt because they were worldly and the gods they worshipped permitted insane sin. The babylonians (again, as seen in Jeremiah and onward chronologically) were somewhat receptive to the gospel, and alligning with them politically would have permitted Judah to repent. The treasury in the BoM was likely just the local, municipal one over which Laban had responsibility, or at least his friends did. Very unlikely it belong to the King. If Laban was a corrupt man, why would he not have his own 'bank acct' NOT tied to the federal treasury since given his robbery of Nephi and his family the man showed willingness to embezzle funds? The 'treasury' was certainly not the kings. Or at least not everything in it was reported to his higher ups. How else would he explain every time he robbed someone to the king where the money came from?

Why ask these people who are simply speculating? You can sit down and come up with your own theory. That is what everyone is doing these days.

Just observing here, but it seems like he’s usually making an attempt to inject entertainment or reiterating what the guest says, probably to keep attention when things get boring, or like any good radio host does to keep attention and account for new listeners popping in. Typically he does it well, sometimes a bit distracting I agree, but either way a necessary skill for any good radio host. Probably not out of insecurity, Cardon keeps up well with scholars on an intellectual level. Been one of my favorite shows lately, quality guests and great form.

steel historically did not alawys mean metallurgical steel like we know today. The word "steel" was used as a description of a very hard substance before metallurgical steel evolved.

google King Tut's dagger

Yes, this! Check out Shadiversity’s video on what he thinks the sword of Labsn looks like.

Yes. I saw that video years ago. It was so interesting. When I saw this video I was hoping for more info on ancient swords.

For his use of the term Jew, Nephi uses it broadly to refer to the all Israelites back in Jerusalem (2 Nephi 33:8) and not just those of the tribe of Judah. There is other biblical use of Jew in the same generalized sense during roughly the same period as Nephi. -Daniel 3:8 for example So Nephi’s description of the brass plates as a record of the “Jews” is entirely consistent with this video’s discussion of them possibly being a record of Joseph’s bloodline You also have to remember that Nephi wrote his record several decades after they left Jerusalem. He did this because he was commanded by the Lord for a special purpose (1 Nephi 9:3) which Mormon also felt to include for an undisclosed reason as influenced by the Holy Ghost (WofMormon 1:7).

After the Ephraimite kingdom was quashed, the survivors who fled south with their record became nominal "Jews." They added the history of the Jews from that point on to their own Josephite record.

@@MemyzelphandI Must be history flavoured then. Do you have an explanation?

@@MemyzelphandI You're correct. Iron was the correct description for King Tuts meteoric dagger and not steel. I've actually seen it and wow it's beautiful. I think my theoretical point was that if it was made by Joseph of Egypt, perhaps the Sword of Laban was the same of the same material being made at least 1000 years before King Tuts dagger. The word in 1Nephi 4 says describes it as precious steel but maybe it was the word chosen in the translation for our day that we would understand rather than "precious iron." Iron artefacts have been found from around 1800BC.

Maybe it's like Cumorah... there are two of them. 😊

If… you believe Joseph is an actual prophet, and that those with him are honest sincere men then… the sword is right now with Moroni, in the alternate cave, still unsheathed, still laying on top of the open scripture If you do not… then it no longer exists due to rusting away over time The choice is yours… as always, just the way Heavenly Father made it possible, from the beginning to be…

Mormons know that Aaron was not of Joseph, but of Levi. He just said it wrong.

Egyptian mummy tutankhaman was found with a steel dagger with gold hilt. You can look up this item with a simple internet search. This weapon is still in fine shape after at least 3000 years. Thus your opposing argument does not hold up.

@@deadcityhauntedhouse9132 thats not even an argument. His dagger was in a tomb that was perfectly dry and most everything there was perfectly preserved. What theyre talking about here is a sword that was ACTUALLY USED in real battles and then somehow preserved for generations even when the entire hebrew/judaic lineage apostosaized, was replaced by the appointees from Babylon, and 400 yrs when the tabernacle was in Shiloh during which time there were appointed judges and things were NOT generationally linear. The oldest steel sword ever found is a rusted stick that is over a thousand years newer, and also found in the same perfectly preserved 'desert' conditions and its STILL a pos. Labans sword was made from 'fine steel' in perfect condition when Nephi found it. It was carried around on the daily and therefore exposed to normal ambient elements and conditions. I.e. NOT locked away in a climate controlled stone box like king Tuts. Not. A. Freaking. Chance. All he presented was pure speculation, anyways. No reason to believe what he presented is true, much less plausible.

@@deadcityhauntedhouse9132 and besides, it Labans sword really was Joshuas, that means that they kept the blade but got rid of the wooden or brass pommel and grip and had to CAST onto it a 'pure gold' one as described by Nephi. Why not keep the entire sword intact if it represents some sort of linear power, and why would Laban have it? He was an appointee over Jerusalem (basically a governor) if it was to represent the power of the Judaic nation, why wouldnt the King have had it instead of Laban? Doesnt make sense. When they moved the tabernacle from Shiloh to Jerusalem, why did the sword not fall in to the hands of either of the kings of Israel or Judah?? It doesnt make any actual sense. What makes sense is Labans sword was new(ish). And that Joshuas sword was brass. Like all the other swords and edged weapons in his day. Nephi actually lived in the beginning of the iron age. JS couldnt have known that as it is just barely coming to light by archeologists.

Poking holes in anything is easy.

Maybe because it compares to the sword of goliath for nephi

Maybe Nephi didn't know it was Joseph's sword

We don’t even KNOW it was Joseph’s sword. It’s just a super cool theory.

But in the book of mormon it says mosses was translated

Stick of Joseph is Jesus deleted from the Bible give better detail

@@scottishwarrior3547 @scottishwarrior3547 Yes it does. Now in Deuteronomy it says "So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre UNTO THIS DAY." We can be certain that Moses didn't write this in the Book of Deuteronomy. And if Joshua had written it, there would be no reason to say "UNTO THIS DAY", for it would only have been a few days. Besides that phrase "Unto this day" is found all throughout the Old Testament, with a few variations. One of those variations is "Until the Captivity" in 1 Chronicles 5: 22. So this part about Moses dying and the LORD burying Moses, was clearly added after the return from the Babylonian Captivity. Maybe this was why Satan debated about the body of Moses, because he is the only person the LORD buried himself. Except this event was added by an unknown third party hundreds of years after the event, so where did they get their information? Yet if Moses was translated, Satan would be certain point out everything wrong that Moses did that would "disqualify" him, like using the power of God to give the Israelites water, but not giving God the credit, which kept Moses from entering the Promised Land, or Moses killing the Egyptian beating an Israelite, for this is much more likely for Satan to be contending about, than whether God should have buried Moses or not.

Genesis 3 15 kjv and I will put eminty between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed and it shall bruse your head and thou shall bruse his heal .... this is about Moses brusing the staff of the tree of knolage of good and evil on the rock and the staff killing Moses buy getting him in the heal . And the seed part is a rabit hole we don't want to go down

So a more interesting story is why was Moses and Aaron using a evil staff rod spear thing made of sapphire or atleast partial sapphire. Why were they carrying around Nehashtan the Assyrian rod . How did over 2 million people look to the brass staff with a fire serpent on it did they all have super vision . Did Nehustan barf out the staffs that Aaron had the staff swallow in Egypt to kill the people in the wilderness? Did the staffs become fire serpents ? Dosnt it seem a little weird they seemed to be doing freemason cult duality religion like Eve learned in the Garden? 1st Timothy 2 24Adam was not decived but the woman being decived was in transgression.... Eve didn't eat an appel bit was given sour grape wine and bread evil sacrament a false religion and was decived

They weren't enslaved for most of their time in Egypt. In fact, they would have probably lived quite well having a familial relationship with the rulers of Egypt. Also, they would have had a strong relationship with Shechem, their ancestral lands and province of Egypt. It may be that the sword was already in Canaan before the enslavement and Exodus.

Mormons know that Aaron was not of Joseph, but of Levi. He just said it wrong.

Mormons know that Aaron was not of Joseph, but of Levi. He just said it wrong.

Wut the heck

you so lost...OT prophets certainly taught and prophesied more than Messianic themes. They taught the commandments and a covenant relationship with God, as do modern prophets.

What is the name of the church that you go to? Answer that and I'll respond to your funny attempt to say that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that does all things in the name of Christ, somehow worships a prophet..... I've never said a prayer to the prophet nor have i ever ended with "in the name of Joseph Smith".

​@@lemjwp1756read her comments on other ward radio content.... she is helpless....... she believes there will be no eternal marriage like the marriage that Adam and Eve were united in....... she knows so much that isn't so. She will deny all things on this life and the next. She thinks telestial.

@@curtisdecker3175 You know as well as I do that many wards in Utah sing "Praise to the Man". IF you actually read the O.T., you will see that O.T. prophets knew they would be hit by a lightening bolt if they ever even considered sharing in God's glory or praise. Isaiah 42:8 “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.

@@lemjwp1756 O.T. prophets walked humbly with God, and their prophesies actually came true (eg Isaiah 53), unlike Joseph Smith who never had a single prophesy come true. An O.T. prophet would never let the people sing "Praise to the Man"

It is revelation and the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is founded upon.

@@TheTimologist Hardly, It is bases on a claim that he used a stone and we both know that, that is impossible. But, dispite you knowing it is impossible you call it revelation and pin your hopes that it came from god.

@@ericredd4544 God allows us all our crutches until we are ready to rely only on Him. The Prophet used a stone for a time but later was able to translate and receive revelation without the stone. The stone was never needed, but Joseph Smith Jr had convinced himself that he needed it. We all must one day discard our crutches and rely on the Lord Jesus Christ as the Prophet Joseph Smith Jr did.

@@TheTimologist You are making this too complicated just as Joseph did. We are told that Moroni gave JS the gold plates, Labans sword and Nephite interpreters (which were not the Urim and Thumum or the Seer Stone) so, JS did not use the tool that was handed down from generation to generation for the purpose of translating ancient records. You say he did not need the seer stone it at all, but JS would not use a tool that supposedly worked amoung the Nephites for generations? This tells us that JS was making up tall tales. The BOA is even worse. JS himself said he translated papyri that were written on by the hand of Abraham upon papyri. Then we find out that it is not a translation of Egyptian nor do the papyri come from Abrahams time period. He was involved in deception each time he claimed to be translating. Even more recently we learned that the JS translation of the Bible borrows heavily from a book known as Adam Clarkes Bible Commentary. Everyone knew JS was uneducated and that he did not know any other languages. Therefore, he had to think of some miraculous way that an unknown language, Reformed Egyptian, could be translated through him. He than clamed he, with gods help translated Egyptian from the papyri schrolls. He involves god in his deception when it is without question that the BOA is not a translation of the papyri JS had in his posession. JS lied and put his name and Gods name on an obvious hoax that is the BOA and I believe the BOM and JS translation of the bible as well.

Thank you for the assertion. Please realize it's not the first time we've heard anything like it.

False bravado

Get real if you know so much about mormons you would know they rely on the lord Jesus Christ for confirmation of everything

Did Christ's apostles hold the Priesthood?

The Levitical priesthood officiated in a lesser law system brought up on them by their provocation. Melchizedek was not a levite, neither were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, yet could offer up sacrifices to the Lord just like the Levitical priests.