Can the TOW Missile Launcher Make a Difference?

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American Military's BGM-71 TOW Missile launcher system history and development process explained. This weapon changed infantry doctrine against the Russian Soviet Union in the 1980's. Ukraine was sent all kinds of Javelin Anti-Tank weapons but none of the TOW launchers really. Why is that? Is this obsolete?
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@Taskandpurpose
@Taskandpurpose Жыл бұрын
Hey Spare Parts Army , thanks for watching bros! Go to bit.ly/3Mc0Ky3 to download Age of Origins to support the channel : D
@StabbinJoeScarborough
@StabbinJoeScarborough Жыл бұрын
I was 11H Army National guard ( M901) Active Army 11th ACR ( NTC) we did something called " Angel misssions " where we would be air assault in on hueys mocked up Then three years with the 101st ! Good times , thanks for the vidja man !
@manwiththestar2305
@manwiththestar2305 Жыл бұрын
Anything to say about Polands backfilling of war machinery?
@mynick937
@mynick937 Жыл бұрын
Any thoughts on possibility of Russia reverse engineering Javelin missile(some were captured by their army)?
@ad220588
@ad220588 Жыл бұрын
During World War II, Nazi Germany developed many missile and precision-guided munition systems. These included the first cruise missile, the first short-range ballistic missile, the first guided surface-to-air missiles, and the first anti-ship missiles. Germany developed a design for a wire-guided anti tank missile derived from the Ruhrstahl X-4 air to air missile concept in the closing years of World War II. Known as the X-7, it was probably never used in combat and allegedly had serious guidance to target issues. It never entered service, though a few were produced. probably failed due to the resources and the time that Germany had to successfully complete this project. And later the Russians just took that concept and implemented it. No witchcraft involved 😌
@QwerYT4819
@QwerYT4819 Жыл бұрын
@@mynick937 russia could reverse engineer it, but their manufacturing capability has been shit, ever since the dissolution of the soviet union, not to mention the inability of russia to produce quality electronics. Who knows, Russia might send some javelins to china to they can manufacture it
@SgtPotShot
@SgtPotShot Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: those things that look like angry eyes on Russian tank turrets? Those are made to burn out the seekers on laser guided anti tank missiles. Being optically guided, guess what's immune to them? Always keep a few obsolete things in storage, you never know what weird shit they can counter that only affects current generation threats.
@IdleDrifter
@IdleDrifter Жыл бұрын
No. Those angry eyes only dazzle. Even then the Russians tried to pump up the capabilities of the system.
@Tom_Cruise_Missile
@Tom_Cruise_Missile Жыл бұрын
To be fair it doesn't seem like they're doing... fucking anything actually
@harrywright6544
@harrywright6544 Жыл бұрын
Shtora 1 aps doesn't work like that, it sends out ir signals in different wavelengths (that is why they glow red) to disorient the missile and should work against tow missiles, more modern missiles like brimstone and spike are designed to not be affected by shtora aps.
@jacquesstrapp3219
@jacquesstrapp3219 Жыл бұрын
@@harrywright6544 Shtora has been removed from most modern versions of Russian tanks in favor of reactive armor. It turns out that it wasn't real reliable and was just a weak spot on the turret.
@Azylath
@Azylath Жыл бұрын
Against previous versions of the TOW, yes. But it never could affect what was dubbed as TOW 2 and beyond. It’s interesting considering the TOW 2 is older than Shtora.
@medvet4575
@medvet4575 Жыл бұрын
0352 Marine TOW gunner here and my favorite part about the TOW was at the time we were able to engage targets knowing that we had double the range of the main guns on the old russian tanks the Iraqis were using. Oh and they were good for knocking on doors in Fallujah. We also used the sight system at op's at night. The thermals on the old system worked really well.
@badlt5897
@badlt5897 Жыл бұрын
Death on a Leash! 6th Marines TOW Platoon here
@td8778
@td8778 Жыл бұрын
I was in a 0352 reserve unit. We used to pee on trees to test the thermals. Oh the fun of technology.
@Treblaine
@Treblaine Жыл бұрын
I can see how TOWs could end up destroying more tanks than the Abrams, the TOW seems to be more accurate beyond 3km (especially against moving targets) and better penetration at that range. It seems that the sights were the deciding factor here that allows the maximum potential range to be exploited.
@crusher8017
@crusher8017 Жыл бұрын
@@Treblaine If you are talking about the Gulf War, the real one, Bradley's were in front of the Abrams. The main engagements were by Armoured Cavalry Units. Please give some context as to the years you are talking about.
@brad506th
@brad506th Жыл бұрын
@@Treblaine 3750 M to be exact.
@aaronf6973
@aaronf6973 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you touched on It's speed being one if it's biggest issues on the modern battlefield because I was thinking the exact same before you got to that point. I'm thinking the next version or replacement of this system will probably be a system that has a lot of diverse warheads and uses similar to the gustav and have the ability of both manual slower flying speeds or incredibly fast automatic firing speeds.
@theimperialfistsspacemarin3050
@theimperialfistsspacemarin3050 Жыл бұрын
Nice, let's see Paul Allen's AGM missle launcher
@Azylath
@Azylath Жыл бұрын
I’m curious about why it’s speed is the issue outside of having to defeat APS? I recently found out that the TOW is actually faster than it’s contemporaries of it’s time (i.e HOT, Milan, Konkurs).
@iLumberjack
@iLumberjack Жыл бұрын
It's 2022. Why aren't phone charging cables made of TOW wires?
@jeffbenton6183
@jeffbenton6183 Жыл бұрын
@Andrew Not for this application (tripod-mounted missiles) - a hypersonic missile would be too heavy. My understanding is that the Javelin is supposed to replace the TOW
@geekmechanic1473
@geekmechanic1473 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffbenton6183 hypersonic is just too expensive and extremely complex to be used in this role
@RobinP556
@RobinP556 Жыл бұрын
The Malyutka, also known as the AT-3 Sagger is something that I was trained on when I was in the Q Course as a weapons specialist, 18B. We didn’t use the actual missies, too hard to get in the late 1980s and expensive, but the simulator showed us all one thing, it’s extremely difficult to hit a target with it. The TOW we trained with as well and it was much nicer, again, a simulator. My best friend was an 11H before becoming an 18B and loved it, he actually got to fire the real thing a few times. The only thing that he didn’t like about it was when a new company commander decided that training should involve manpacking it, at the time we had M151s instead of HMMVs. We were both in the 82nd Airborne at the time, me as an 11B, and I had more fun laughing him hauling that thing around. One thing that we mutually agreed on though was the Dragon, it was a real POS, the misspelling flew at the speed of nothing and like the TOW it was wire guided which required the gunner to stay upright and sighted in on the target while everyone could see him firing it and shoot at him.
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 Жыл бұрын
The British improved their CLOS "Command Line of Sight" system. The early missiles used "acceleration control" where the operators joystick directly acted on the control surface. If you pushed the control in one direction the missile kept turning and kept accelerating. It kept flying in that direction once the joystick was released. It was very had to control. The second generation of British CLOS missile such as Vickers Vigilante and BAC Swingfire used "Velocity control" . In this system the missile had an autopilot with a compass which was aligned with a compass on the operators sighting station. When fired the missile dead reckoned its way into the operators field of view and simply headed in the same direction as the cross hairs. There was still a joystick but its purpose was only to make fine adjustments with small nudges. This was much easier to control and could attack targets only 200ft/60m out to miles. It allowed the missile to be sighted well away from the operator (unlike TOW). I think this system will make a come back now using precision autopilots of the kind of IMU "Inertial Measurement Units" used on NLAW. You can still have fiber optic cables (that can be cuit) and a TV seeker but this way there is no way of jamming the missile or back tracking to the operator.
@death_parade
@death_parade Жыл бұрын
@@williamzk9083 Isn't fire-and-forget and LOAL capable ATGM going to replace most of this though? Here in India, our Armed Forces kept badgering our boffins for a 3rd gen IIR fire-and-forget. This resulted in an entire family of 3rd gen ATGMs, which are basically the first ATGM to be designed in India:- 1.) Nag (hellfire class missile in weight warhead and range but not in guidance, ground vehicle launched, LOAL mode: TV feed through data link and terminal guidance by IIR seeker. IIR seeker only in LOBL mode. Top-attack or direct attack modes. The seeker itself was challenging and is now more capable than that of Israeli Spike and comparable to Javelin's seeker in sensitivity when spotting tanks when ambient temperatures in deserts are only a little off from those of the tank, our Army and boffins got into a fight over this capability lol). 2.) HeliNa (Nag, but for Army attack heptrs) 3.) Dhruvastra (Nag, but for Air Force attack heptrs) 4.) SANT (4th gen, Heptr launched, MMW active radar homing, IIR seeker instead of , data link, 20 km range) 5.) MPATGM (man-portable, 4km range, top or direct attack, LOBL only, IIR seeker) . Funnily enough, our Boffins made 2nd generation ATGMs after 3rd gen ones. Primarily the SAMHO, which is SAL guided and launched from tank main cannons.
@willthorson4543
@willthorson4543 Жыл бұрын
I was a dragon gunner.yep ..that was the ultimate pos.
@ryanhampson673
@ryanhampson673 Жыл бұрын
Was Army EOD, we did a lot of training on the Sagger too…And yea, the Dragon can eat a bag of dicks…We’d use the dragon as a FU problem to eod techs because of its pretty much dozen ejection hazards from all those little crap rocket motors.
@maddmoxx6414
@maddmoxx6414 Жыл бұрын
Agreed Dragon POS, It was fun watching them do their hop, skip, jump down range and hit nothing.
@matthewdelaney6826
@matthewdelaney6826 Жыл бұрын
Bradley MG here. The most modern version of the weapon is not designed to penetrate with a front warhead anymore. Once the missile gets within range of the target, a magnometer in the front directs it to fly 1 meter over the target, it then fires 2x EFPs downward onto the target. Nothing is surviving that. Also, most TOWs have a max range of 3,750 meters, but the wireless Aero variant can reach out to 4,500 meters.
@kousand9917
@kousand9917 Жыл бұрын
There are different variants and I belive the one that goes top down is the Tow-2B
@AndreiKucharavy
@AndreiKucharavy Жыл бұрын
The reason they were not deployed in Ukraine is because they have a domestic Stugna-P, that has similar capabilities, but allows for a remote lunch and can be transported by infantry. Also increased range and availability makes it more interesting where Javelins/NLAWs would have had too far to go.
@smillman437
@smillman437 Жыл бұрын
Exactly correct
@F4Wildcat
@F4Wildcat Жыл бұрын
Yep, the TOW is great but ATGM's like Stugna are latest generation.
@dimasakbar7668
@dimasakbar7668 Жыл бұрын
@@F4Wildcat if i may, i think Stugna is more of a latest iteration, than latest generation. Latest generation were those that use fire and forget be it SACLOS (instead of MCLOS like TOW or Stugna), or predictive course guidance (like NLAW).
@F4Wildcat
@F4Wildcat Жыл бұрын
@@dimasakbar7668 Ofcourse you may. Thanks for the info!
@hazzardalsohazzard2624
@hazzardalsohazzard2624 Жыл бұрын
Are we past the point of risking running out of other weapons with the same/better capabilities? Or is it not worth the transport space, instead sending other stuff.
@gasdive
@gasdive Жыл бұрын
Wire guided weapons go back further than that. The Australian Brennan Torpedo was wire guided out to a range of 2000 yards in 1877. (Not a typo that's eighteen seventy seven) It was manoeuvrable enough that it could be turned around and strike the far side of the target. Not the first guided weapon, but the first practical one.
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 Жыл бұрын
There were also glide bombs and glide torpedoes designed by the Germans in Ww1 to be used by Zeppelins or large Biplane Bombers.
@johnnunn8688
@johnnunn8688 Жыл бұрын
It’s strange, one never thinks of a torpedo, as a missile. When I read that, I pictured it flying over the top of an enemy ship, turning around and hitting the ship! 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️
@Mortablunt
@Mortablunt Жыл бұрын
It’s still couldn’t save them from the emus.
@gasdive
@gasdive Жыл бұрын
@@Mortablunt of only they'd lured the emu into an amphibious assault.
@kousand9917
@kousand9917 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome I didn't know that
@sandynewman5533
@sandynewman5533 Жыл бұрын
As a 11HE9, I was a TOW gunner and team commander my entire military career, I will say this. While fly by wire may be old school, it is also a secure and cannot be jammed. Also we had an very adequate stand off range. And yes we were trained on how to deal with vegetation. Problems that now permeate the military weren't that prominent until the Bradley came out.
@badlt5897
@badlt5897 Жыл бұрын
Yes but the Russians did have dazzlers to confuse the tracking system
@sandynewman5533
@sandynewman5533 Жыл бұрын
@@badlt5897 We the gunners were the tracking system.
@dra6o0n
@dra6o0n Жыл бұрын
TOW is also considered a wire guided missile, not a Smart guided missile. Dazzlers only work if the missile has to track a target.
@JacenHawk
@JacenHawk Жыл бұрын
@@dra6o0n older TOW variants were vulnerable to IR dazzlers due to them onterfering with the ir strobe on the rear of the missile that the launcher uses to track missiles location.
@JacenHawk
@JacenHawk Жыл бұрын
@@badlt5897 newer TOW variants use a more anvanced strobe/sensorbsetup to render IR dazzlers ineffective.
@petem.3719
@petem.3719 Жыл бұрын
My dad brought home a spool of wire about 8" in diameter that was for use in TOW missiles back in the early 70s. He worked at a defense plant and for the next 35 years, that wire was used in countless home electronics projects he did.. I ran across it after he died and it still looked brand new. There must have been 20 miles of good, high quality wire on that thing. It's since been lost but I wish I still had it. My great grandson and I would never have to buy wire again.
@ElectricityTaster
@ElectricityTaster Жыл бұрын
Is it just straight up wire or is it braided with spectra?
@petem.3719
@petem.3719 Жыл бұрын
@@ElectricityTaster Just solid wire
@ElectricityTaster
@ElectricityTaster Жыл бұрын
@@petem.3719 so if we had two of these tow rockets and a tesla battery, we could tase yo mamma.
@petem.3719
@petem.3719 Жыл бұрын
@@ElectricityTaster Not unless they were earth penetrating rockets
@ElectricityTaster
@ElectricityTaster Жыл бұрын
@@petem.3719 come on, you gotta admit it was a pretty good yo mama joke.
@RemedialRob
@RemedialRob Жыл бұрын
That was my job in the Army (1988-1992). 11HE9 Anti-Tank Infantry with mechanized certification (the "E9" part). I did Humvee mounted T.O.W. Operations with lots of air assault in South Korea and then when I got back to the USA and Ft. Benning I was with the 197th Inf Bde (M)(S) and operated the M-901 ITV or Improved T.O.W. Vehicle with a dual missile hammerhead and hydraulic turret. It was basically an M-113 with a big hole cut in the roof to accommodate the gigantic turret, hammerhead, optics, and computer. And that's what I went to Desert Storm/Shield with. I'm surprised this vid wasn't more in depth. All things considered the T.O.W. was what maintained the balance of power during the cold war. No matter how many tanks Russia or China cranked out the T.O.W. was a cheap, optimized, and strategically superior way to remove armor from the battlefield. As Russia is learning now in the war in Ukraine, armor has serious distance limitations and even the best tank cannot engage a T.O.W. emplacement before the T.O.W. can destroy the tank.
@bkane573
@bkane573 Жыл бұрын
In all seriousness reach out to him. (PM/email). Deployed with him. Good dude. A lot of what you posted, and what you know, is nearly lost information at this point. Buried in tech manuals and FMs you can’t find, or don’t exist anymore, and even if you can, they don’t provide any real world experience. He might very well do an update if he gets enough information. I am willing to say it would be in more detail if he had those details to put in.
@Vevay1961
@Vevay1961 Жыл бұрын
Yes... I was 11HE9 from 86-90 and was with 2ID in Korea (Camp Howze) too. We had M901 ITVs and the other big advantage they had was the ability to deploy in hull down positions with just the hammerhead exposed and then fire off two missiles with minimal chance that enemy armor could even see them from 3.75k meters. Downside to them was reloading made them exposed because the hammerhead had to tilt at 45 degrees or so for reloading which made them very visible at range. That and riding around in one felt like you were riding around in a moving container of fuel, hydraulic fluid, and explosives just waiting to go up in a ball of flames with the first incoming round.
@RemedialRob
@RemedialRob Жыл бұрын
@@Vevay1961 I was in 88-92 and when I was in Korea I was 1/503 CSC (Combat Support Company). Light infantry, 3 platoons of Humvee mounted T.O.W. plus a platoon of light mortars and a platoon of Scouts. I was at Camp Hovey/Casey except for my DMZ rotation to Warrior Base and guard posts Collier and Ouellette.
@Vevay1961
@Vevay1961 Жыл бұрын
@@RemedialRob In summer 87, I did GP Collier for 30 days and then rotated back down to Warrior Base and did recon and ambush patrols in the Z for the rest of our 4 month rotation. When I was there they put the 11HE9s up at GP Collier so we could use the thermal imaging sights from our TOWs to monitor the rice paddies all around Collier and keep an eye on Propaganda Village. Rotated back to Ft Lewis where we had Fast Attack Vehicles which were basically dune buggies with TOWs and M2 on them. They were experimenting with a "Motorized" concept for Light Infantry. Those were fast and fun when deploying to Ft Irwin and Yakima Firing Ranges for desert exercises. Real pain in Ft Lewis rainy days though.
@greaserbubtheoriginal7923
@greaserbubtheoriginal7923 Жыл бұрын
my gosh the tow has been around since 1972 thats a hell of a run for sure they did a lot of damage in desert storm on bradleys
@Trve_Kvlt
@Trve_Kvlt Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. Just like the A-10, the Bradley got more kills with the missiles rather than the gun.
@Julianna.Domina
@Julianna.Domina Жыл бұрын
@@Trve_Kvlt In fact, the A-10's cannon seems to be the biggest threat to friendly forces.
@juliuszkocinski7478
@juliuszkocinski7478 Жыл бұрын
Jeez, lazerpig videos really have an Impact. Never seen people discussing A-10 in this light before his series
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Жыл бұрын
@@juliuszkocinski7478 Everyone loves to hate on the A-10 gun now. Except all the soldiers and Marines saved by it and the poor dumb basterds who were on the receiving end. The latest trendy thing recently.
@greaserbubtheoriginal7923
@greaserbubtheoriginal7923 Жыл бұрын
@@Julianna.Domina a lot of blue on blue in that war for sure
@matthaft2048
@matthaft2048 Жыл бұрын
One more downside you didnt touch on. I was a 19D and we were all well trained on the TOW. However when we deployed to Afghanistan they never even left the connex. The expended wire would have made excellent IED command wire
@tiny_tex
@tiny_tex Жыл бұрын
I can imagine the poor SOB assigned to get out and drag a couple thousand yards of wire back in after firing so the other guy can't pick it up. "PVT Snuffy, get out there and get my wire!" "Sgt, they're still shooting at us?" "Did I ask?"
@matthaft2048
@matthaft2048 Жыл бұрын
@@tiny_tex whenever we did gunnery all the TOW trucks carried C-Wire stake on them so afterwards they could use it like a reel to wind it back up. So you’re not far off 😂
@gangrel138
@gangrel138 Жыл бұрын
Infantry buddy of mine was telling me a story about a TOW they fired at a Toyota technical over in the sandbox. The warhead went right through the doors and didn't detonate but the pressure sucked the driver into the hole and killed him instantly. Then the wire cut the gunner in half and they found his torso 20 yards away.
@neighbor-j-4737
@neighbor-j-4737 Жыл бұрын
That visual is the best anti-terrorist commercial I can think of. The dude cut in half lived long enough to know he was...
@RealJohnnyDingo
@RealJohnnyDingo Жыл бұрын
surplus TOW wires have been used to trigger lighting by shooting them in the air with rockets during thunderstorms. they use civilian model rockets these days but originally surplus 2.75" FFAR (folding fin aerial rockets), like the ones in pods on helicopter gunships were used.
@joshuacheung6518
@joshuacheung6518 Жыл бұрын
Someone decided kites were too old school?
@jmjones7897
@jmjones7897 Жыл бұрын
Do you want to get Frankenstein's monsters... Because that's how you get Frankenstein's monsters. " FIRE GOOODDDD...."- Gene Hackman
@bocadelcieloplaya3852
@bocadelcieloplaya3852 Жыл бұрын
Evil Santa Claus: "Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW MISSILE!!!"
@lodragan
@lodragan Жыл бұрын
I was a trainer on the TOW, and the missile, controller, optics, and ground tripod was a gaggle of bricks to schlep around. Thankfully we had it mounted on the turret of the M901 ITV (Improved TOW Vehicle) at the time.
@maddmoxx6414
@maddmoxx6414 Жыл бұрын
I liked mine on M966, a bit more agile than a APC
@lowandslow3939
@lowandslow3939 Жыл бұрын
That ground tripod was the DUMBEST idea ever. Only good as a backup in case your vehicle was disabled.
@lodragan
@lodragan Жыл бұрын
@@maddmoxx6414 But, with the M901 you could erect the hammerhead and sit hull-down, and fire and observe without exposing the vehicle to enemy fire. It did suck to drive; you couldn't drive on a slope of more than 30 degrees without fear of rollover. With the hammerhead up it was less than that.
@albeefire22
@albeefire22 Жыл бұрын
How fun finally seeing my MOS covered here. I went to Ft. Benning and learned the TOW in 1987. We were shown Vietnam era film strips then did some range time with the system. My one difference with what was shown here is that we had 18 vehicles with a TOW system in our company. Three Anti tank platoons, a motor platoon and a scout platoon. Each anti tank platoons had three sections. Each section had two squads. Each squad was a hummer with a gunner, driver and an NCO as the squad leader. I don’t know if this was typical or not.
@RemedialRob
@RemedialRob Жыл бұрын
1988 also Ft. Benning. Largely the same organization structure in Korea but back at Benning when I was mechanized things were different though.
@lowandslow3939
@lowandslow3939 Жыл бұрын
I was an 11H in Benning in 82-83. In AIT, a guy in my platoon told me that his mother worked at the company that was building TOW missiles. We had the first gen missiles, she told him that TOW 2 were in production and they were already working on TOW 4. Ours were mounted on APC’s and jeeps, yes, those crappy little jeeps.
@sog4646
@sog4646 Жыл бұрын
11H- Ft. Benning 1987-1988.😁👍🇺🇲
@lawrencelaird2919
@lawrencelaird2919 Жыл бұрын
Note on “crappy little jeep”. Army/USMC both looking at a similar size platform. Oh the Hummer is nicer in many respects. But to much vehicle for some jobs. v6!
@maddmoxx6414
@maddmoxx6414 Жыл бұрын
I was with the 9th ID (motorized) at Ft Lewis we had anti-tank heavy battalions and brigades. At the time the 9th ID was considered an experimental division, we got to play with all the new toys and develop doctrine for them and constantly changing unit configuration and reflagging. In 3 short years I was with 2/23, 2/60, 1/33 armor, 1squadron 2nd ACR (motorized) and their was one more just can't remember... Armor branch was having a tug of war with the infantry with who gets to claim motorized, they took all the 11H and reclassified them as 19D. A typical battalion had 3 anti-armor companies 1 rifle company. Anti-armor companies had 3 TOW platoon each platoon consisting 5 M996, and a crew of 3. One battalion could reek havoc with an Armored Brigade, but sucked against dismounted infantry, just didn't have the force protection with so few soldiers.
@Mrdardas99
@Mrdardas99 Жыл бұрын
The Soviet Sager missile wasn't just a "better" weapon than what the western block had at the time, it was a total game changer. Combined with the SA2 anti air missile battery it radically changed the Egyptian army's performance in the 1973 Yom Kipur war after its resounding defeat just 6 years earlier. Suddenly the highly skilled IDF tank crews were being picked off at a distance in the vast sinai desert, grounding the usual aggressive manouvering tactic to a halt - while the AA missile umbrella cut off close air support. As a defensive weapon it was amazing for the time. However, once Syria goaded Egypt into advancing their army towards mainland Israel (leaving the protection of the AA umbrella, as those batteries took weeks to redeploy) its shortcoming were apparent. In the desert, they were easy to spot from the air and taken out by the highly skilled low-flying close air support groups, and the missiles themselves are slow enough that a good aggressive push can close distance and scare away the operators enough to miss if they are not highly trained and motivated.
@mwnciboo
@mwnciboo Жыл бұрын
Yeah 1973 was a game changer for Armoured Warfare
@Merecir
@Merecir Жыл бұрын
Not that much of a game changer. Sagger entered service in 1963. Bantam entered service in 1963.
@Mrdardas99
@Mrdardas99 Жыл бұрын
@@Merecir what do you mean? I just gave the perfect example, two armies fighting twice for the same territory, one lost the entire campaign in only 6 days (!!). Then merely six years later it was armed by masses of Sager missiles and defensive SA2 batteries and was able to generate significant gains and hold the new line, only to lose everything once again after overextending. Such a massive improvement in military performance in so little time is almost unheard of in military history. Hell, the Egyptians still refer to that war where they ended up begging for a ceasefire and had their entire 3rd army completely cut off and sorrounded in the Sinai desert for weeks - a "victory" after their former humiliation of 1967. And it's almost entirely due to these two weapon systems.
@CMB21497
@CMB21497 Жыл бұрын
I also remember hearing about those Sagers were frequently flown into the ground because they were controlled by a joystick.
@Dog.soldier1950
@Dog.soldier1950 Жыл бұрын
I was a USMC 106 Recoilless Rifle Plt CMDR in 1974 when DOD gave Israel the TOW…the Marines were stuck with the eyeball guided RR until the 80’s
@ConstantineJoseph
@ConstantineJoseph Жыл бұрын
They used the Israelis as their guinea pigs and test bed prior to full adoption.
@badlt5897
@badlt5897 Жыл бұрын
The RR is still one of the best light weight AT systems ever made. 0352 here
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Жыл бұрын
Recoiless rifle is going strong. One has a confirmed kill on a Russian T-90M, the top operational MBT in their arsenal. ***Shut up Armata fans. I said operational MBT. Get a T-14 into the fight and you may return to yelling at me all you want.***
@ConstantineJoseph
@ConstantineJoseph Жыл бұрын
@@slartybarfastb3648 depends where the shot was placed. If it was from above any tank won't be able to withstand 84mm RR. If it was from the rear, most tanks also would not survive the shot. Only except the M1A2 Abrams with ERA which has a blow out ammo storage at the rear which allows the crew to survive a back blast. Secondly, if any MBT were to take multiple hits from the side by RR shots, ERA blocks would be decimated and thus leaving the exposed side armor for a follow up shot. Again, no MBT in the world can survive a rapid RR engagement without dishing back enough supporting fire/suppressive fire back at the RR, AT teams. Therefore tanks when used without the range and the care taken will result in losses to all kinds of weaponry. Why the US and UK had such incredible success with MBTs during the Gulf War and the follow on Iraq War was due to the desert environment, allowing tanks to engage from far away ranges beyond RR and ATGM fire. Infantry was always far ahead of tanks and the over reliance in CAS and precision strike delivery by loitering air superiority allowed for a more successful use of MBTs. Whereas in Ukraine the Russians have literally tens of thousands of surplus T72s which are always being uprated to the T72B3M variant which are then sent to newer conscript/greener outfits to utilize more archaic Russian tactics which is to use numbers to overwhelm positions. Thereby resulting in heavy armor losses. The Russians intend to fight like that as they keep the elite guards units for critical spearhead assault missions to break the enemy once enough green main army divisions are sent to soften up or force Ukrainian forces to commit to a certain defensive point.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Жыл бұрын
@@ConstantineJoseph What will the Russians do when they run out of cannon fodder to protect the limited numbers of 'real' units? There was no over reliance on CAS and in the open desert warfare of Iraq the infantry was not "far in advance of armor". The Iraqis were blind at night, out ranged, out of supply, demoralized from the previous month of constant air strikes and MLRS. Poor communication and stuck in static positions known to Coalition forces through months of surveillance. Instead of going with 'you didn't fight fair' argument, maybe the Russians should have spent the last 30 years studying the '91 Gulf War instead of everything they've tried in Ukraine so far.
@MarkoCloud
@MarkoCloud Жыл бұрын
Cappy "saying it incorrectly" is what I come here for
@nekoill
@nekoill Жыл бұрын
Surprisingly enough, you did pronounce Malyutka's name (almost) absolutely correctly, which is a real achievement, as Russian words are notoriously hard to pronounce for foreigners even in cases when there are equivalents in the latter's language that share common origin with Russian words, so that's a pat on the back for sure.
@jimmiller5600
@jimmiller5600 Жыл бұрын
I think the STUGNA-P's ability to move the targeting unit 50 meters from the launcher means a much safer system.
@Fuhrerjehova
@Fuhrerjehova Жыл бұрын
I wonder why TOW-missiles don't have that function. Maybe the US Army never thought of it. It's obviously great for defensive warfare and not so much for offensive. And I'd guess that US army doctrine is highly aggressive.
@jimmiller5600
@jimmiller5600 Жыл бұрын
@@Fuhrerjehova I'd agree. Plus, TOW (and STUGNA) are heavy. Really heavy, like over 100kg without ~30kg reloads. Given US mobile doctrine that means vehicle mounted unless it's a fixed defense like the Korean DMZ.
@jakelilevjen9766
@jakelilevjen9766 Жыл бұрын
When I worked at Raytheon, I worked with the guy who developed the system for feeding out wire at supersonic speeds. It was pretty cool.
@jackmountain8503
@jackmountain8503 Жыл бұрын
tell him... he failed...as he knew it would. 2003 the only failed rounds were had were from shit wire spools.
@jakelilevjen9766
@jakelilevjen9766 Жыл бұрын
@@jackmountain8503 Will do! Any idea what percentage failed?
@lowandslow3939
@lowandslow3939 Жыл бұрын
I was an 11H in Benning in 82-83. In AIT, a guy in my platoon told me that his mother worked at the company building TOW missiles. We had the first gen missiles, she told him that TOW 2 were in production and they were already working on TOW 4. Ours were mounted on APC’s and jeeps, yes, those crappy little jeeps.
@patrickeckhard7958
@patrickeckhard7958 Жыл бұрын
Why did you call them " crappy little jeep " just asking .
@lowandslow3939
@lowandslow3939 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickeckhard7958 www.militarytrader.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_936/MTc5MTU3ODEzMzU5MDI3OTYw/m151a2-m825-mutt-adrian-winget-graf-1413trimmed.jpg Well, just look at it. Very crowded inside, too small, no protection for the occupants and very little ground clearance.
@rancherfarmerguy
@rancherfarmerguy Жыл бұрын
Was also 11H in 82 to 96, started with TOW mounted on jeep, then on HumV. Also had m60 machine guns mounted on jeeps.
@lowandslow3939
@lowandslow3939 Жыл бұрын
@@rancherfarmerguy Those jeeps really sucked, didn’t they?
@rancherfarmerguy
@rancherfarmerguy Жыл бұрын
@@lowandslow3939 damn sure did. Absolutely no protection. no room, had pull damn trailer everywhere with your ruck and gear. Front passenger seat was removed for the racks that held Xtra missles. The little seats where gunner and a-gunner sat had no belts (fell into patch of cactus at Ft Carson once that me pulling thorns out for days) cold, hot, wet, dusty depending on weather, and slow when convoying. Was glad to see them go.
@bobrat
@bobrat Жыл бұрын
The shillelagh was the 1st US wire guided missile fired by the m 551, just saying. Nice video Cappy
@jadendubose4066
@jadendubose4066 Жыл бұрын
Finally Chris uploads! Always waiting on the next episode, great work to everyone involved with this channel!
@oteliogarcia1562
@oteliogarcia1562 Жыл бұрын
one of the best reported static use of the TOW is observing the area of operations or enemy position using the sight, which is 24X and has infra red capability
@chairde
@chairde Жыл бұрын
It’s nice of the Russians to give us the chance to test weapons.
@deltaboy2011
@deltaboy2011 Жыл бұрын
@@GH-jl2td always a good idea to test against the White Russians.
@genem895
@genem895 Жыл бұрын
You only gave samples of your super pooper weapons to show future customers weak spots and countermeasures. You have to be an idiot to waste money on HIMARS with 70 kilometers, when you can buy TORNADO S with 120 km and 200 km three times cheaper. Let's wait until winter time when Ukrainian weapons will finished completely and Ukraine will be fully dependent on nato forces 👏 By the way, Europe already feeding 5 millions Ukrainians!
@randomperson8125
@randomperson8125 Жыл бұрын
@@GH-jl2td American general during the Gulf Wars said "I like Russian weapons. They make good targets" We basically destroyed 3,000 Russian tanks in 100 hours without a single tank loss.
@chairde
@chairde Жыл бұрын
@@genem895 Putin is the Custer of Russia. He is a narcissistic man who believes he can risk everything to complete his legacy. Like General Custer he will be remembered for failure and defeat.
@thehturt5480
@thehturt5480 Жыл бұрын
The opposite is valid too 😁
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid Жыл бұрын
"He ran some thought experiments in his mind." 😂 😂 😂
@ShiftoHvH
@ShiftoHvH Жыл бұрын
YOURE BACK AND ALIVE LETS GOOO tysm for le upload
@kameronjones7139
@kameronjones7139 Жыл бұрын
Considering Ukraine already has the stung p I can see why they sent javilen instead
@paddington1670
@paddington1670 Жыл бұрын
yeeeeeeep! Every square foot on an airplane is worth a lot, if they already have TOWs, then send something else
@OSTemli
@OSTemli Жыл бұрын
Russian kornet is 10km in range meanwhile javelin and tow is 3km, doubt ukraine need them, they will throw it away.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Жыл бұрын
@@OSTemli We know. Everything Russian is better. Heard it all before.
@kameronjones7139
@kameronjones7139 Жыл бұрын
@@OSTemli that doesn't really matter it rare to get a line of sight past 1-2 miles
@simontmn
@simontmn Жыл бұрын
You should cover the unhappy tale of the MG-TOW, that refused to engage any targets.
@paulallen8597
@paulallen8597 Жыл бұрын
I've used the upgraded tracking and launch system and I've seen them launched from Cobras. Very impressive as they are and I can only imagine what a future version might be.
@DR-zj4od
@DR-zj4od Жыл бұрын
As a former Tow Gunner and Squad Leader in the USMC I can safely say that the TOW is obsolete and needs to be sold/given to other nations. Replace it with javelin or Stugna-P, etc. Great weapon just obsolete.
@badlt5897
@badlt5897 Жыл бұрын
0352s for life!
@dra6o0n
@dra6o0n Жыл бұрын
The Tow rocket would still be versatile on drones, it has sights on the target from above. It's just less effective the more cover the field has. Problem is that Tow missiles are too big. Will we ever see things like micro missiles which shoot a swarm out of a drone?
@manitoba-op4jx
@manitoba-op4jx Жыл бұрын
just make a miniature one that's 1/5th the size and ten times faster. it'd be obscene with a shaped charge on the head
@NotJustAnotherAverageJoe
@NotJustAnotherAverageJoe Жыл бұрын
Except it's way cheaper to produce and has it's own purpose.
@pogo1140
@pogo1140 Жыл бұрын
@@manitoba-op4jx not sure the wire would stay intact at mach 7.
@mikatimonen5449
@mikatimonen5449 Жыл бұрын
In Swedish Army I was TOW repair guy. I remember we got TOW-2 missiles that should been compatible with TOW-1 system. Well it fired but missed the target by meters. And it wasn't the fault of the guy who fired it.
@kroberts8866
@kroberts8866 Жыл бұрын
We had some hysterically comical short rounds during preparation for the opening of the Iraq invasion because we fired early generation rounds on a second-generation range. The SDZ range safety at Graf had fun for not worrying about a 'too long' range fan for once. Meanwhile at the CTCs we did have many arguments about the speed of the missile when wheeled vehicles like the Fox Chemical Recon would get adjudicated as having "outrun" the slow flying TOW. Yet never get equally cited for exceeding the max safety driving speed in the training area!
@AllisterCaine
@AllisterCaine Жыл бұрын
With graf you mean grafenwöhr I guess. Funny a little shithole near where I live is known to thousands of Americans.
@kroberts8866
@kroberts8866 Жыл бұрын
@@AllisterCaine Your attitude sounds like it left you an impression.
@Taskandpurpose
@Taskandpurpose Жыл бұрын
there are a bunch of videos out there of failed short rounds hitting the ground 20 feet ahead of the weapon, whats up with the TOW missile that it does that?
@CompactCowboy
@CompactCowboy Жыл бұрын
@@Taskandpurpose 19D here, we get a lot of time with these. There can be a couple reasons for the failure but they all result in the same thing, a failure for the propellant to ignite. It could be there was a failure for the missile itself to begin the ignition sequence (as it was explained to me by our CI, the firing of the missile from the tube and the ignition of its propellant are separated and the operator is only in command of the launch.) I’ll try to keep this message short for the sake of my own sanity but basically anything that would cause the propellant to not ignite after launch. System failure, bad propellant, etc
@jackmountain8503
@jackmountain8503 Жыл бұрын
Humidity and wire snaps, Seen 1 out of 3 short fire or go crazy during an live fire in South Korea in 2003ish. Many issues with the long term storage of the tow misslies. We even switch over to AT4's and only used the tow sight stand alone as an expensive spotting scope...506th INF korea to Iraq
@kameronjones7139
@kameronjones7139 Жыл бұрын
I kinda wish we got more information on the tow 2b top attack it is definitely the most deadly to tanks out of all of the variant. Great video though
@rebeccaanderson310
@rebeccaanderson310 Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness for this! Was missing your input on the world
@adamfrazer5150
@adamfrazer5150 Жыл бұрын
So I want to make sure to say that the team at T&P really do amazing work - I'm bad for just mentioning Cappy and his Camry, and on that note I think I see (I'm a very slow learner....🤔no, 'learner' indicates some sort of retention)why this Channel works - Cappy is charming in the way that he can take a wide variety of scenarios and topics and somehow I can understand what's being said... ...and crucially for people like me (that's a wild assumption)it gives me enough context to get my head nodding (that usually means I understand 👍...and in order to be served in a restaurant you should always clutch your utensils, holding them straight up ☝......repeated banging is acceptable if service is slow 🐌.....yeah, I 'learned' that also 👍). 😬 Top-shelf content T & P, I'm grateful for the effort you pour into each episode - I've avoided some truly impressive life-problems with your help and I remember a pile of things about the military I was too chicken-shit to join 🤓 cheers 🍻👍 🇨🇦
@woiace
@woiace Жыл бұрын
I think the part of the TOW missiles going through the Iraqi tank and hitting the other tank, and hitting the tank hiding behind the sand berm, was probably mixed up with the Abrams tank’s M829 KE rounds
@death_parade
@death_parade Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that part sounded weird. Tungsten slug would do that. But an airframe or even a tandem HEAT warhead?
@butchadling4187
@butchadling4187 Жыл бұрын
Got to fire a number of these and loved them. Much safer than the Q-Tip looking Dragon Rockets that we low crawled with. 🤣 We had a Dragon rocket fly straight up in the sky after it was launched on a range once. Thank God for the TOW and Javlin Rockets. Looking forward too a video on the new Griffin 3s we're about to get with the 50mm Chaingun. As always love your videos.
@sog4646
@sog4646 Жыл бұрын
Was this in early 1988, because i saw a similar mishap?
@jackmountain8503
@jackmountain8503 Жыл бұрын
@@sog4646 must be...by 2004 we saw them fly everywhere but on target or one direction...
@Idahoguy10157
@Idahoguy10157 Жыл бұрын
In recall a proposed TOW with a TV camera in the missile. Fire it vertically from a vehicle. It flies horizontal at an altitude. Once the target area the gunner flies it in. The advantage being it doesn’t require line of sight for the gunner
@yourafatboyshadow
@yourafatboyshadow Жыл бұрын
These videos keep getting better dude. 👍
@billlee1068
@billlee1068 Жыл бұрын
I love these videos, I make a game out of them. Every time he butchers a proper name, I take a drink. Currently running out of booze.
@charlesleonard7734
@charlesleonard7734 Жыл бұрын
Hi and hope everyone's having a awesome day.
@richardshippful
@richardshippful Жыл бұрын
Being an old TOW Critter from the 80s. I appreciate this vid.
@kirk7528
@kirk7528 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate Cappys line of 80s dystopian megacorporation t shirts
@greg5023
@greg5023 Жыл бұрын
My job in the Navy was nuclear reactor operator, submarines. When I got out I joined the National Guard and nobody asked but somehow my Army MOS became nuclear weapons specialist. Not at all the same job but I kept my mouth shut because what I learned in the Navy is that the military isn't here to fix my problems.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Жыл бұрын
You can also always claim the prize of having the biggest Big Boy Toys. I had a skydiving instructor who was active duty missile boat captain. Can't say which one, his name, or base. I was in awe to be on friendly terms with a guy who's day job is to park on the seafloor with enough firepower to melt a good portion of the planet. "I'm a truck driver, it can be pretty exciting at times...What do you do?" 😲
@jiminauburn5073
@jiminauburn5073 Жыл бұрын
@@slartybarfastb3648 Had a friend years ago who was special forces. When asked what he did in the military, he would say "I jump out of planes and kill people."
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Жыл бұрын
@@jiminauburn5073 Skydiving is an interesting sport in terms of people you meet. My drop zone trains many of the special forces in using the square ram air parachutes. ETACs/JTACs, PJs, Seals, MARSOC. Those guys are a special breed. I think the USAF PJs are the most fun though. A bit more laid back and less intense. I couldn't have more respect for them. Sport skydivers choose to jump, can take a day or month or years off. SOF guys see it as one more skill in a long list of dangerous skills and training which just goes along with the job. They jump when their told to jump and learn fast.
@prozacjunkie112
@prozacjunkie112 Жыл бұрын
Well that's an interesting summary of Iran Contra, with no mention of the Contras...
@mildsoup8978
@mildsoup8978 Жыл бұрын
Among other things
@stefanocortez7207
@stefanocortez7207 Жыл бұрын
As always, love your videos and appreciate everything you do on KZfaq. Only thing I can say is I wish you would do more on the day today of the Ukraine War. Something about what the way you present yourself and everything that you know to be truthful is entertaining and newsworthy to me. Just wish you did more of it. Just a thought of a fan. Thanks!.
@joecool509
@joecool509 Жыл бұрын
just realized you are wearing a robocop shirt! "I'll buy that for a dollar!"
@ImranKhan-ty6mx
@ImranKhan-ty6mx Жыл бұрын
The reason the Iranians wanted the TOW was because they had 200 Huey Cobra attack helicopters that were equipped with TOW launchers. They also had large numbers of TOW Under Armor tank destroyers. They needed ATGW to fend off the superior Iraqi tank forces. None of this had anything to do with any superior performance of the TOW.
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 Жыл бұрын
Heh, not often that I see people call the Cobra that. I tip my hat to you good sir.
@dimasakbar7668
@dimasakbar7668 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't blame him for it. Younger folks tend to forgot that early revolutionary year, Iranian armed force used many western made weaponry, which they acquire en masse during Shah's regime. Also, if anything, formerly combat infantry MOS.
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 Жыл бұрын
@@dimasakbar7668 To this day there are still western platforms in use there. Acquired pre-revolution, such as the export version of the F-14. Granted there really can't be much left from 40+ years ago. But it does go to show that they wouldn't disregard a good weapon just because of where it came from. A good weapon is a good weapon, full stop. Personally I am not the biggest fan of modern day Iran (though I must say, the history of Iran/Persia is incredible and does not get the attention it deserves in the west), but the fact that they still fly the F-14 gets a nod of approval from me. God I love that jet. Really it isn't much different than how the Taliban rearmed themselves with everything the US left behind. With the only real difference being that the US sold Iran all that stuff under the Shah, while the US just abandoned everything in Afghanistan to the Taliban. But in practical terms, I don't really see a difference. (also, even if dated by todays standards, the fact that they keep some of these platforms that are older than I am (over 40) in service, speaks volumes for how good some of them are... say what you will about the practices of different countries, but the weapon platforms/systems that have come out of the west since the 60s or so have often shown themselves to be great weapons... of course not everything is great, but that shouldn't need to be said as it is a truism, but if I don't say it someone will go "but what about _______?" in some childish gotcha crap.) Fun fact: From what I have read both Iran's and Ireland's names both stem from the same early Proto-Indo-European word. Granted there are a few thousand years of separate development (PIE apparently died 4,000-4,500 years ago) and this is somewhat iffy as PIE is a reconstructed language but I find this interesting if it is indeed true.
@andrewgates8158
@andrewgates8158 Жыл бұрын
@@whyjnot420 Arafat used uzis
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewgates8158 Like I said, a good weapon is a good weapon. At the end of the day pragmatism tends to win over idealism.
@barbeonline351
@barbeonline351 Жыл бұрын
Okay, this solved a personal mystery/conundrum. As I have been deep diving all things related to Ukraine/Russia and the conflict moved to an artillery battle, I was confused trying to decipher what folks were so nonchalantly referring to as TOAD artillery. Days passed and my misunderstanding was cleared up as TOWED became obvious. Dumb ass. Adjective, not acronym.. Pulled behind a truck, what else would it be? Now this. I can forgive my confusion. Locked away in a dusty set of neurons I had TOW and was making the association.... I can feel better. And let this be a lesson to all YT instructors.
@flyingrat492
@flyingrat492 Жыл бұрын
I once found a deactivated malyutka in an antiques shop in Northern Ireland, amazing how these things get around
@Taskandpurpose
@Taskandpurpose Жыл бұрын
yikes that's crazy, way cooler than anything I've found in antique shops or surplus stores in the US I gotta say
@charlesrichardson8635
@charlesrichardson8635 Жыл бұрын
Glad you are back! Loved the vid! What happens to all those wires? How much tensile do they have, easy to break or could I garrot someone?
@petem.3719
@petem.3719 Жыл бұрын
That wire was surprisingly strong, high tensile and very thin. Perfect for a garrote, but wear gloves. I had a big spool of it back in the 70s and used it for all kinds of things for the next 40 years. After use, the wire just lays on the ground between the launcher and the target.
@jefftroyer1151
@jefftroyer1151 Жыл бұрын
I was a 11H in the 82nd airborne from August 80 to August 83. The missile only had a 3000 meter range then. It flew 200 meters per second. I only fired one, but hit my target. It was at night with the night scope. I almost screwed up. The night had a wider field of view for finding a target and a narrow field of view I found my target on wide view and forgot to switch to narrow. The target really looked small in my crosshairs. I really enjoy your videos
@xycid
@xycid Жыл бұрын
Rus T-80 gun range: 3-4 km US M1 Abrams gun range: 3 km US Tow range: 3-3.7 km US Javelin range: 2.5-4 km Ukr Stugna-P range: 5.5 km Rus Kornet range: 5.5 km Javelins are nice, but Ukrainians really like their Stugna-P against Russian tanks
@seekrengr751
@seekrengr751 Жыл бұрын
A couple corrections, from an engineer who worked on TOW for over 15 years. First, there are two beacons on the rear, a near-IR (glows visibly too) beacon used by the daysight tracker and another far-IR/thermal one for the night sight/ITAS. Second, APS CM (we called it CAPS) are incorporated into the latest TOW versions, particularly wireless TOW. Without details, lets just say that they are made to jam radar-APS. Lastly, Hughes/Raytheon produced well over 1 million TOW missiles. At the peak of TOW production, output exceeded 1,000/week for a number of years. The number of launchers produced, counting tripod units, ITAS, and Cobra installations, is more like 30,000. ( I know you meant to say missiles, not launchers). PS - that published range for latest TOWs is, shall we say, quite conservative.
@ThomasBarone
@ThomasBarone Жыл бұрын
Impressive presentation!! Liked. Subscribed.
@maddmoxx6414
@maddmoxx6414 Жыл бұрын
My first assignment as a brand new 2LT was as an anti-armor platoon leader in 1989. I was with 2/23 Infantry part of the 9th ID (motorized) which had anti-armor heavy brigades back in the day. I had 15 11H soldiers and 5 M966s, which were the TOW II variant of the HMMWV. We could be rapidly deployed due to the light weight nature of motorized infantry. Our doctrine was simple, advance forward till you make contact, engage the enemy and then break contact and fight a well planned retrograde offense. What this entailed was maintaining standoff with your wire guided death TOW II system that had the ability to reach out and touch someone before they could touch you, then perform a retrograde back to your pre-selected kill zone. They sent us to the NTC twice within 2 years because the first time we kick their ass and they thought it was a fluke, the 2nd time was a rematch and we embarrassed them again. I fought this retrograde offense in NTC, we made enemy contact fired a missile and withdrew 2-3 km find a defilade fire and withdraw again and continue till you run out of missiles. We blew our wade and ended up scavenging missiles from out of action M966 that we came across as we withdrew. My crew alone destroyed 7 T72 before we were finally taken out of action. A single anti-armor company nearly halted the advance of an armored BN Forward column. The only thing I didn't like about the TOW II were the loud ass thermal sites, they got smart one night and sent dismounted infantry to flush us out and we had to go dark as to not attract unwanted attention from the dismounted enemy, but were eventually flushed out into the open that was one wild night. Thank God you get a reset after getting killed at the NTC and crazy amount of experience from lessons learned.
@djay1012
@djay1012 Жыл бұрын
Did you fight in the first gulf War ?
@maddmoxx6414
@maddmoxx6414 Жыл бұрын
@@djay1012 I was writing trench war doctrine at NTC at the time then we were going to go, but sadly the stood us down after 24 hours of the start... we got a hero parade at every town we pulled into on the way back home on the bus. Finally made it over there in 2003-2005, 2008 with Army Reserve doing fuel convoys. We were a high priority target, ran the gauntlet every night.
@ELPRES1DENTE45
@ELPRES1DENTE45 Жыл бұрын
They've made these things look like spit-shooters in comparison to modern equipment.
@Pochiesfc
@Pochiesfc Жыл бұрын
fr
@kafkaesk3449
@kafkaesk3449 Жыл бұрын
The TOW is cost-effective. The javelin is more modern but waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more expensive.
@death_parade
@death_parade Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, in India's case, the first ATGM we developed was a family of hellfire-class but IIR guided 3rd gen ATGM and a man-portable javelin class with an equally capable seeker. Earlier, we were importing all our ATGM from Russia, France and Israel and they were mostly 2nd gen, yet expensive. But now, with local design and production, 3rd gen missiles might not cost that much more than the 2nd gen ones we were importing. So its understandable why our military is outright replacing all 2nd gens with 3rd gens, with the exception of cannon-launched ATGM for tanks.
@nathanhammitt350
@nathanhammitt350 Жыл бұрын
7:30 that's the QRF compound in CLDJ. I was stationed there doing the exact same training on the ITAS.
@turkeyboyjh1
@turkeyboyjh1 Жыл бұрын
My dad was a tow-2 sight technician in the national guard in 91 it was a very impressive weapon for the time
@Bacontruffle
@Bacontruffle Жыл бұрын
This makes me very very curious as to why the US isn't sending these to Ukraine. Sounds to me like they're very capable, relatively easy to ship, and are about to be replaced anyways, not to mention produced in ridiculous quantities. What's the harm in chucking some in?
@UzumakiNaruto_
@UzumakiNaruto_ Жыл бұрын
Javelins are much better and the Ukrainians themselves have also been using their own built Stugna anti-tank missiles with great effect so far and it seems to be more modern and much lighter than the TOW.
@OSTemli
@OSTemli Жыл бұрын
Russian kornet range 10km, tow 3km
@talltroll7092
@talltroll7092 Жыл бұрын
Depending on how stocks of other stuff lasts, they might. TOW isn't gong to be as useful as Javelin or other more modern systems, but there will be a few use cases for it. It is quite training intensive compared to what Ukraine already has, too, so not a first choice
@Bacontruffle
@Bacontruffle Жыл бұрын
​@@OSTemli Not particularly relevant in this war. Yes, having range is nice, especially when target is driving away from you, but most engagements in the Ukraine war have been either at much shorter ranges or much longer ranges using artillery. It's very hard to spot tanks from beyond 2km in the Ukrainian countryside anyways, not to mention there's far too much obstructing view anyways. This is one of the few cases where it's the Russians creating a capability in their weapon systems that's almost never going to be used, whereas the Murican design is a lot more reasonable.
@slartybarfastb3648
@slartybarfastb3648 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think we've probably pretty much exhausted our stockpiles of TOW. That total produced number doesn't mean they're all maintained. All warheads, guidance systems, rocket motors have a mandated useful design life. Any TOWs made during the 70s, 80s, 90s have likely been shot, given away or scrapped. I don't know the rates of production, but I doubt it's very much at this point. Javelin has taken over and we cleared the shelves giving TOW to Syrian rebels (SDF), and Kurds, and 39 other countries.
@chrisspulis1599
@chrisspulis1599 Жыл бұрын
Legend! Love your videos.
@lesnoilesnoi
@lesnoilesnoi Жыл бұрын
Your pronunciation of "Malyutka" was perfect by the way ;)
@ImranKhan-ty6mx
@ImranKhan-ty6mx Жыл бұрын
Penniless Insurgents receiving free TOWs does not make the TOW an especially desirable weapon. The Ukrainian Stugna-P is a far more effective and safer weapon to use.
@Stixies
@Stixies Жыл бұрын
Hey Cap. Technical video note. You’ve been looking ‘green’ in your vids. I think the lights for your green screen are too bright causing you to get a bit of excessive light bounce off the screen. That bounce is then casting into the room and causing you to look ‘green’. Try stopping them down a bit, should really help.
@RealJohnnyDingo
@RealJohnnyDingo Жыл бұрын
probably ate the omelette MRE, that has the same effect
@chrissmith4568
@chrissmith4568 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you!
@philipbrackett443
@philipbrackett443 Жыл бұрын
It is also the related to the greatest one liner in the entirety of Futurama: "Your mistletoe is no match for my T.O.W missle!" - Robot Santa
@bucknaked9234
@bucknaked9234 Жыл бұрын
Ayyyyy early gang lol
@SniperScav
@SniperScav Жыл бұрын
I'm very early
@neoab
@neoab Жыл бұрын
Hey Cappy! First of all, I love your videos! I have hearing issues from my time in service, but I feel like your newest videos have worse sound quality than they used to. I hope it's not my hearing dying on me lol
@fragout9575
@fragout9575 Жыл бұрын
Late 80s OSUT for 11 series MOSs were fun to say the least... Most of us who went through at that time literally were trained on a lot of weapon systems because some training units had a mix bag of us 11B, C, D, H, M and X. We trained on LAWs, AT4s, Dragons and TOWs..
@prjndigo
@prjndigo Жыл бұрын
The Ukrainian Sugna are two different sizes of "tow missile" that use a transmitter laser to get rid of the whole wire problem. They're not laser guided, they're laser corrected. So if anybody wonders if the TOW would actually have worked against the Soviet/Russian army.... ~points towards Ukraine~ Fucking slaughtered em.
@crusher8017
@crusher8017 Жыл бұрын
@@josedorsaith5261 Slaughtered their targets. Not the entire Russian Army. Place things into context dude.
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 Жыл бұрын
Wire guidance is pretty good. It doesn't emit any signals that can be detected or jammed. Some system such as MMP use a fibre optice wire with a TV in the nose. Lasers can be detected and a more powerfull laser or counter battery fire sent back.
@death_parade
@death_parade Жыл бұрын
@@williamzk9083 "Lasers can be detected" He is talking about a beam-riding system though.
@williamzk9083
@williamzk9083 Жыл бұрын
@@death_parade There are two types of laser detector. One type detects the beam directly (it requires several detectors on the tank) and measures the precise direction it is coming from. You can then find the laser source very quickly. Apart from a warning they can be used to deploy smoke, dazzling flares, point a laser straight back to damage optics, point the gun to face with the heaviest Armour and begin searching for the missile/projectile or any tell tale puffs of smoke caught on camera. The other type of laser detector has sensors pointing at several areas of the tank/aircraft itself and detects the indirect light providing a warning and an idea of what sector the laser threat is in.
@qwpbops4446
@qwpbops4446 Жыл бұрын
First
@Fatty_WB
@Fatty_WB Жыл бұрын
Good job
@qwpbops4446
@qwpbops4446 Жыл бұрын
@@Fatty_WB thanks🤯😳😭🥇🤣🤣😹😹🤫😃🤫💀🐮🐮🐮🥶🥶🤑🤑🤑
@257796
@257796 Жыл бұрын
I gotta admit that I bought that same t-shirt because I saw you wear it. I'm old enough to remember, and I'm from Michigan. Once I saw you wearing one, had to have it
@ejlonergan4073
@ejlonergan4073 Жыл бұрын
You're very talented. Great content.
@wireman4029
@wireman4029 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing up the whole water distance dilemma, I almost sent my entire shipment back to the manufacturer.
@ZephrusPrime
@ZephrusPrime Жыл бұрын
Thank You For Your Cooperation!
@wacojones8062
@wacojones8062 Жыл бұрын
US Army reserve I was a 19D4H instructor I taught recruits both TOW ground Mount, ITV M901 and Dragon. Plus AT4 and LAW and all the scouty things. Lots of Fun at Ft. Bliss inside the M901 at 140 degrees F. I watched the last training flight of the B52D aircraft land through the AN/TAS-4A. I could see the rivet lines on them. The TOW Motor burns for only 1.5 seconds the rest is a long coast with the speed dropping. Flight times are under 30 seconds for all but the Aero wireless guidance package at around 35 seconds.
@echohunter4199
@echohunter4199 Жыл бұрын
As a retired Anti-Armor Infantryman (MOS 11H) we have a few missiles to choose from when engaging a target, some require a ‘top attack’ round that flies one meter above the tank and detonates two downward facing shape charges that shoot hot molten copper downwards and penetrates steel a a few inches thick. The standard missile will penetrate a few feet of steel but you have to see it before you believe it. Each missile has both an Infrared and thermal beacons the MGS uses to track the missile in flight. The All Burn On Launch (ABOL) motor launches the missile up to flight speed then the flight motor kicks in and pushes it downrange. The steering is done through a onboard gyro and two small nitrogen bottles that provides pressure to steer the guidance vanes at the rear of the missile. It will hit within a 16” target at 4,000 meters. They always tell the Soldier that the max range is 3,750 but there’s 4,000 meters of wire on each missile end.
@dominantasmr578
@dominantasmr578 Жыл бұрын
Cappy I say guys as a biased fan, but this is one of your best videos so far. You got good things coming your way. Keep it up sir :D
@13thravenpurple94
@13thravenpurple94 Жыл бұрын
Great work 🥳🥳🥳 Thank you 💜💜💜
@gi1dor
@gi1dor Жыл бұрын
Your "Malyutka" pronunciation is actually quite good! u sounds more like the word "you" but short. BTW it means "little one" (often used to refer to small kids, baby), which sounds a bit uncanny even in Russian.
@sleat
@sleat Жыл бұрын
Oh, snap! I grew up in Aberdeen, and dad worked in exterior ballistics at BRL on APG. Later, our guard unit, D-150 (now disbanded after the cold war) used AH-1S TOW Cobras, right down the road at Weide AAF (Edgewood Area, APG). TOWS aren't very big, but they work fine.
@texterity3873
@texterity3873 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@tnickknight
@tnickknight Жыл бұрын
I started my military career as a Infantry TOW II gunner in 1989
@manemperorofmankind8119
@manemperorofmankind8119 Жыл бұрын
Congrats on being spotlighted on internet today, their current channel might be small at the moment but they have been around for over a decade!
@PilotTed
@PilotTed Жыл бұрын
My favorite TOW is the TOW-2B, which was the top attack variant, where it had a downwards facing shaped charge warhead which would detonate one above the target, I believe it had proximity sensor or something like that to achieve this. Basically rendered cover useless.
@Deathbomb9
@Deathbomb9 Жыл бұрын
Ever seen what happens when one or even both wires fail? Had a huge batch that were approaching end of shelf life and needed to be used. So as a tanker I got to go out to the range and shoot a couple off...for fun. We all ducked behind vehicles and trucks and watched one of the PSGs show us what would happen when the thing was a few seconds into flight...they go crazy. One of the coolest things I've seen. They are pretty fun to fire.
@hemaccabe4292
@hemaccabe4292 Жыл бұрын
Too much is never enough! Nothing but the best for our soldiers, they’re more precious than words can say!
@RealJohnnyDingo
@RealJohnnyDingo Жыл бұрын
you got that right. dehydrated pork patties all around!
@wilomica
@wilomica Жыл бұрын
Good video, love the T-shirt!
@timandsuzidickey9358
@timandsuzidickey9358 Жыл бұрын
enjoyable as always....thks
@carlamerritt490
@carlamerritt490 Жыл бұрын
Great episode thx
@Glurgi
@Glurgi Жыл бұрын
I was trained on the RBS 56 BILL back in the day. As far as I heard, it got taken out of circulation but a replacement are apparently either out or on its way. I think the whole system with tripod, sight and launcher will be a hard sell once AT-4 type systems with guidance comes out and down in price. Will be interesting to so how all of this plays out :)
@MrDportjoe
@MrDportjoe Жыл бұрын
grumble grumble! Some rather serious scoring visible on that launch tube close up! Yeah cranky 27E from 1977-1981.
@tommclain3335
@tommclain3335 Жыл бұрын
Former 11M here, least favorite part was recovering the copper wire after a day at the range. especially when one has to climb past the "unexploded ordnance" sign.
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