Can These Distortion Pedals RIVAL A Tube Amp? (Orange, Friedman, ENGL etc.)

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Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction & Details
02:52 Orange Rocker 15 Terror (Dirty Channel)
04:30 Friedman BE-OD Deluxe Introduction
05:37 Friedman BE-OD Deluxe Demo
07:43 Sunless Effects Cold Lands Introduction
08:57 Sunless Effects Cold Lands Demo
11:02 ENGL Powerball Pedal Introduction
11:21 ENGL Powerball Pedal Demo
13:30 Isolated A/B Comparison
15:06 Conclusion
Thanks for watching this comparison of 3 awesome "amp in a box" / preamp / distortion guitar pedals. We also compare these 2 the Orange Rocker 15 Terror's tube distortion. Which option sounds the best to you?
Gear in this video:
- Orange Rocker 15 Terror tube amplifier
- Friedman BE-OD Deluxe pedal
- Sunless Effects Cold Lands pedal (review: • The ULTIMATE Stoner/Do... )
- ENGL Powerball pedal (review: • ENGL Powerball Distort... )
- ESP LTD Phoenix Black Metal w/Fishman Modern pickup (review: • ESP LTD Phoenix Black ... )
- RedSeven Amp Central Reactive Load (review: • AMAZING Reactive Load!... )
- York Audio Impulse Responses
York Audio Impulse Responses: www.yorkaudio.co/
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@sunlesseffects 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jon, thank you for featuring the Cold Lands ! 🙏

@SapperRJMorgan 2 жыл бұрын

Rad pedal.

@RyanGunns 2 жыл бұрын

Cold lands sounds the best to me

@brandonjackson5865 2 жыл бұрын

Was surprised I liked the Cold Lands best out of the pedals. The amp just sounds a little better though but all three pedals are definitely acceptable

@ricardobrasil20 2 жыл бұрын

I really liked them all, but the Sunless Cold Lands I thought it’s great! Really want one for me!

@imacashew. 2 жыл бұрын

I love my BE-OD deluxe It also has internal trim pots to add or subtract the amount of gain that goes to each gain knob. It’s a dope pedal until I get my hands on a Super Kraken.

@SapperRJMorgan 2 жыл бұрын

Orange, Coldlands, Engl, then BE-OD in that order. According to this video. Well done Jon. Nice riffs.

@Ryan_Q3L 2 жыл бұрын

I love the BEOD Deluxe. So many tonal options. The internal gain knobs really allow maxing out user preference of high-gain.

@aphix76 2 жыл бұрын

You know when there is a new Video you will hear killer riffs. I love my Orange Rocker 15 Terror and I love all of your stuff!

@duvdodi2 2 жыл бұрын

Love the sound of the Cold Lands. Nice video :)

@tobins6800 2 жыл бұрын

We are the winner. They all sounded awesome.

@mrcoatsworth429 2 жыл бұрын

The orange on its own is just heaven! I think the sunless was my second favorite. The other two were good, too, of course!

@MetalZoned 2 жыл бұрын

Same here

@Burnt_Gerbil 2 жыл бұрын

The pedals were fine, but that Orange tube distortion wins it for me.

@nj1255 2 жыл бұрын

The ENGL pedal sounds surprisingly close to the Rocker pre-amp! Maybe a bit darker, but I don't think you would notice it much in a mix. Still like the straight Rocker tone the most!

@ToroKchannel 2 жыл бұрын

All these pedals are very interesting, very good definition, nice tones. They can't replace valves, but they really do the job !

@Sound_Stable 2 жыл бұрын

The distortion from all the pedals sounded about the same with some slight variations. They don't sound anything like a tube amp or tube distortion. They just sound like really good solid state preamps.

@ramonw9430 Жыл бұрын

The Sunless sounded pretty tube like to my ears and rivaled the Orange.

@JuliusSmith 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your excellent and informative comparisons! For metal they are right on. However, some of us would love to also hear how the amps and pedals "clean up" as you come out of extreme overdrive by playing softer. This is where tube amps tend to win big over pedals in my experience. There is a large universe of tone between clean and clipped.

@TheDancingSaxophone 2 жыл бұрын

Love the Cold Lands! To me it sounds like it would kill a Soundgarden tone.

@lieutenantlobotomy2197 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds great! Any chance we can get these pedals (and the Bogner Ubershchall) thru an FX loop? Rock on!

@gibs8412 2 жыл бұрын

I think the Engle surprised me. In future videos can you add in some single notes sustained so we can see how long the notes hold, especially with pedals? Video is great as always. I would love to be in your amp room for a few hours,..lol

@reedlilley 2 жыл бұрын

I think I'm just mirroring many previous comments -- but for starters, that Orange sounded incredible! And I've never seen that LTD guitar...super great looking guitar! As for sounds, like others have stated, that Engl sounded very close to the original amps distortion. So great, and my favorite in this set up. I own the regular sized BE-OD pedal and it's been my heavy distortion pedal of choice for quite a while now, but in this test it seemed a bit lifeless compared to the amp and other pedals. That Cold Lands was awesome -- quite the high end sizzle...and looked like the treble was down pretty far. For me, the clear pedal winner was the Engl Powerball...but now I'm going to go research distortion pedals again after thinking I had that spot on my board nailed down!! Great video....as are all of your videos. Informative and greatly done!! Thanks!!

@spencerharding5919 2 жыл бұрын

Your videos rock bud, I personally like the tube amp(: dig the color of sound the produce. Glad I went with my OR15 the cleans are emasculate. Love how the rocker15 sounds crunchy.

@Z_E_A 2 жыл бұрын

awesome guitar riff. nice job

@MOONfacekilla 4 ай бұрын

Is this a song or just original riffing?

@PikaTeach 2 жыл бұрын

Спасибо!

@xsonicassassinx 2 жыл бұрын

proof that the power amp and cab have a lot more say than folks realize. the differences were super subtle.

@scottdavidson6066 Жыл бұрын

Still a significant difference. Cold Lands for the win.

@themaggot8 2 жыл бұрын

The Cold Lands sounds amazing, but I really really like the mid range growl of the BE-OD

@Tariqmajeedofficial 2 жыл бұрын

very nice and natural

@gokhan9395 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Love the sound of the Cold Lands.. i am curious how it holds with a low E or F..

@sunlesseffects 2 жыл бұрын

WELL, I sent one to Mr Excane who was supposed to make a demo on bass, so it would show how it performs with low tunings I guess. But it happens that he is quite busy... But I suppose you can send him a private message on instagram or leave a comment on one of his video.

@mikemitchell7529 2 жыл бұрын

Friedman pedal sounds Great! I think the Pedals hold up fine compared to the Amp. Would love a blind test

@lesterksi4521 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed with some of the comments, the pedals sounded not far off with one another. Only the amp is different.

@Marcelo_B_159 2 жыл бұрын

I do like that today you can take these pedals together with a cabinet simulator pedal loaded with any IR and boom, you have an amp in a pocket!

@borhksalduero9259 2 жыл бұрын

Cold lands is the winner here, in my opinion.

@SonicDriveStudio 2 жыл бұрын

It's a really good pedal and versatile too!

@nihiabstracto 2 жыл бұрын

The Cold Lands is very good !

@nelsonmendoza8751 2 жыл бұрын

Cold Lands!

@daniloberserk 2 жыл бұрын

For me PERSONALLY, I'll just go for digital modelling route.... They'll probably sound better at replicating tube amps then any analog circuit without tubes. They WILL sound great, BUT different then tube. Not necessarily bad though. Loved the Cold Lands though. TL/DR. If you want an "tube tone" without a tube. Modelers will probably work better.

@adamstein9333 7 ай бұрын

I’ve been trying to find that “perfect tube sound in My head for over 30 years and have had Mesas and Marshalls and Oranges and Fenders and Laneys and Randalls even flagship blackstar and crate tube heads and more over hybrid ie Johnson millennium, Joyo,Rocktron, and tube pedals and tube hybrid power amps all the way to tube powered speakers ….. Ugh catch My breath here, and enough ands! I have had them lost or stolen or sold. My amp now is an old gen iPad. I am also starting a pedal board rig with new digital modelers. If You listen closely to the Orange it’s has a special character, quality, even charm that outshines the pedals. Hence the sound in My head I’ve used to hold in My hands. With all the capture and whatever technology companies want to call it, You can’t find that sound any where else than a tube amp! Haters and scientists can disagree and I wish they were right. My search would be over for under 200$ Your content is the best in the class of Demos Sir!

@yobanyhernandez125 2 жыл бұрын

you should try the frazz dazzler, its such a unique thick sound.

@mystdeisanto9919 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a happy owner of BE-OD pedal but I pick ENGL Powerball as clear winner here, sounds even better than the Orange it self, imho.

@laikainspace1 9 ай бұрын

BE OD sounded like it needed the presence cranked. The others got closer to the rocker. Cold lands was my favourite.

@pitonestraordinario Жыл бұрын

I love your video man..

@omegasunn 2 жыл бұрын

On the next one - maybe you could get the Blackstar Dept. 10 Dual distortion ?

@icenic_wolf 2 жыл бұрын

When I saw the Orange in the thumbnail, I was hoping to have you demo an Orange-inspired AIAB/preamp pedal. Are there any you'd recommend?

@Krzysztoffffer 2 жыл бұрын

Friedman sounds very thin imo, comparing to rest sounds, but Orange… this sound is awesome and No pedal can beat this! That’s why i don’t need any overdrive/distortion pedal in my rocker 15 terror. Only have sd-1 on my pedalboard as boost :)

@SonicSoundofDoom 2 жыл бұрын

Hey! Sorry, I wanted to make sure :) are you running these through the front of the amp?

@kutnersuicide 2 жыл бұрын

I'm probably biased but while each pedal sounds perfectly fine and usable, they don't seem to possess the same complexity as the amp. They are more direct or "in your face" in a way while the amp is smooth and "pillowy". I've experienced the same thing with the couple of AMT pedals I own (R1 and S2). They sound really good but they lack the complexity of a full tube amp, even using them in a tube power amp. I've identified one aspect that really is a giveaway for me. Using long sustained power chords, on a full tube amp, the sound changes constantly as the volume and gain decrease, while it stays pretty much the same on solid state and simulations stuff.

@sunlesseffects 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, Yes, that problem is quite common on preamp pedals, especially older designs and FET. Most FET preamps on the market use a specific transistor reference (J201) that clips early and well at 9v, and with that transistor you'll encounter the behavior you're describing. That's why the Cold Lands doesn't use that transistor, the one I chose clips later, and has to run at a higher voltage (35v for the cold lands) to sound good and to have a wider range of tones. AMT preamp pedals don't use J201 transistors, but they still chose one that clips well at 9v. There are preamps that use diodes and op amp and newer design tend to have multiple gain stages that work together and it will also help reduce the problem you're describing. BUT, at the end of the day, these pedals can't be full replicas, transistors (even FET) aren't tubes, they work in a very different ways. That's why the description of the Cold Lands doesn't say it's a solid state replica of a GT120, but a preamp inspired by a GT120. I prefer to think these pedals aren't made for people who are looking for the real deal, but just something compact with a tone reminicent of a well known amp, at the end, it's the player's choice. Obviously, the Cold Lands isn't the only pedal that doesn't use J201 and runs at a higher voltage, there are some more (mostly boutique pedal brands, I haven't seen many big brands doing it), on the top of my head, Dunwich designed a few circuits like that.

@kutnersuicide 2 жыл бұрын

@@sunlesseffects Interesting. Thanks for the input.

@mirelroberts7007 2 жыл бұрын

I love the 90's Linkin Park Limp Bizkit style riffs!

@sgeorgiev 2 жыл бұрын

I had the Friedman but returned it for the crazy noise.

@thought1212 2 жыл бұрын

the orange tone was the best for the riffs and mix, the engl was very good for a pedal. i didnt mind the cold lands with a bit more fizz to the top end. the friedman was a no.

@NHR_Music 2 жыл бұрын

They all sound so similar. Damn

@SonicDriveStudio 2 жыл бұрын

I realised that too when I was editing but I'm sure it has to do with the fact that I dialed them all in to sound good with the music. Keep in mind that they have range to be tweaked so that they sound different. Especially the Cold Lands and Friedman. The ENGL is more basic so it doesn't have a lot of room to be tweaked aside from the EQ. Still a great sound!

@mrcoatsworth429 2 жыл бұрын

The speaker cab/IR is a huge part of the overall sound. Can't forget that!

@SonicDriveStudio 2 жыл бұрын

That also but also how I dialed them in and the guitar, pickups, riffs etc

@mrcoatsworth429 2 жыл бұрын

@@SonicDriveStudio oh absolutely!

@ashkan7158 2 жыл бұрын

The amp sounded the best comparing to those pedals. It sounded very full and present. The pedals sounded a bit too compressed to my ears which is understandable regarding their size and stuff. But if you are on a budget and you are not planning on making the next Metallica album you can absolutely go with those pedals and have a lot of fun with them as well.

@stm113 2 жыл бұрын

I think all the pedals had a “blanket over the cab” quality. The Engl was my fave of the pedals.

@Roscoes_House_of_Blues 2 жыл бұрын

It'd be cool to hear in the room sounds of a pre-amp pedal through different amps. Same knob settings on pedal, different amps. Would there be a noticeable different through different power amp tubes? Would be pretty hard to do I imagine.

@SonicDriveStudio 2 жыл бұрын

If you want to hear them in the room you have to try them in a room, there's no way around that tbh. I might do a test where I run a pre-amp into various power amps one day.

@gibs8412 2 жыл бұрын

@@SonicDriveStudio nice, my favorite is marshall preamp , through a mesa 6l6 power amp, great sound

@Bcwilderness 2 жыл бұрын

if you start adding vocals etc things change, horses for courses in the case of this shoot if the quality overshadows drum transients lose, its about balance when mixing transient detail and high end matching hi hat and cymbal frequencys etc, so no better just which settles in the vibe and groove for me

@slayerdude18 2 жыл бұрын

can you do the same with the cheaper hybride variant??

@McAdamstry 10 ай бұрын

Hi. I have the BE OD in front of the RV MKIII and the tones sound nothing like this (I know it’s a different amp) but why are they so fizzy and tinny in front of the RV and not in front of this?

@thiagonogueira9363 2 жыл бұрын

How orange rocker 15 terror compare to ironball/fireball man? Too distant in tones? Is a versatile amp? I’ve heard different comments about it… thanks. U rock

@SonicDriveStudio 2 жыл бұрын

Rocker 15 sounds more full, round and gentle. ENGLs are more screaming metal beasts. Very different flavors. Both are great!

@thiagonogueira9363 2 жыл бұрын

@@SonicDriveStudio tks dude!

@grayaj23 2 жыл бұрын

I think the BE-OD was the best pedal, but the Orange dirty channel won by a mile in my opinion. It had more weight in the sound than any of the pedals -- that could just hve been how the pedals were adjusted, though. Good sound from all of them, though I don't think the Engl held up well to the competition.

@pjmtry7 2 жыл бұрын

Next time add the Orange Terror Stamp and then Put all 5 play at same time for a Mass Tone!

@polviggen 2 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering how those pedals compare going straight from pedal to interface, with just an IR. Does the poweramp add alot ?

@lightningstrikes7314 2 жыл бұрын

Yes thats a great question. The free Two notes 'Wall of Sound' IR software has a power amp section so you can try it for yourself with any dirt pedals you have as preamps. I find a good compressor helps too.

@mattvdh Жыл бұрын

I actually preferred the natural gain in the amp the best lol.... I wasn't paying attention at the end and didn't even notice that it was the orange itself...it had the thickest gain but also warm and buttery. The pedals actually didn't improve it if I close my eyes.

@Leemuzhko 2 жыл бұрын

All pedals plugged into orange sound like orange :) why did you turn off presence on Friedman?

@SonicDriveStudio 2 жыл бұрын

It's not off, just low. Otherwise it was too bright :)

@Leemuzhko 2 жыл бұрын

@@SonicDriveStudio but in the record it looks a bit dull compared to orange and sunless. I know that be-od is very versatile pedal and can suite almost any amp.

@sorashima 2 жыл бұрын

@@Leemuzhko you can see the Mids are scooped - that's why everyone is preferring the Cold Lands because it cuts through and has that sizzle. BE-OD Deluxe can do it too with more Mids and some extra Presence.

@myuncle2 2 жыл бұрын

But the real test is on classic rock solos. For these metal sounds you are fine even with an old line6 pod.

@sunlesseffects 2 жыл бұрын

Ah ! Check out Ryan吉他指南 , he made a video on the Cold Lands (however it's more like a playthrough), and plays classic rock. He might release a new video about it (maybe you can leave a comment under one of his video 👀). His channel is in Mandarin, but you can still just listen to the demos.

@scottdavidson6066 Жыл бұрын

Why was the Orange volume set so low for these tests? Weird.

@SonicDriveStudio Жыл бұрын

Less powertube coloration. Plus, it's pretty loud at those settings tbh

@ZagrasNixillis Жыл бұрын

I think you can play a broom plugged into a potato into a box of Kleenex and still get perfect metal mixes.

@guitargod1882able 2 жыл бұрын

I think there is a small flaw in your process here. Hooking them into a tube amp doesn't really show if they can complete with a tube amp because now they are running through the tubes. I would love to see a DI comparison with the actual amps to see how close they are in tonality. Still a good video. Just thought the process was a bit odd.

@SonicDriveStudio 2 жыл бұрын

It's basically about preamp tubes

@guitargod1882able 2 жыл бұрын

@@SonicDriveStudio Totally. I'm just curious how they would sound DI compared to the tube amp going into the Red 7

@tma4519 2 жыл бұрын

Engl is the very close to Rocker Terror

@SuprachargerMusic 2 жыл бұрын

They all sound like Jon.

@rullopat 2 жыл бұрын

I think a better platform for the pedals would be a clean amp like the Orange Pedal Baby

@chrismears2312 2 жыл бұрын

There’s some thing that doesn’t sound great in the higher frequencies on the pedals. Out of all of them I thought the ENGL sounded the closet and had less hiss than the others.