I agree, you can’t “fight” multiple attackers. At best, you can maybe survive. The strategy is to stick an move, blockade, and most importantly MAKE LOTS OF NOISE (probably the ONLY time the loud KIAI is practical). If you attract witnesses, maybe the attackers will abandon their attack because witnesses bring cell phones, and cell phones bring police. But I disagree that there are no strategies that can be employed to increase chances of survival. But, you are correct in that a group of determined, skilled attackers = death, dismemberment and/or a lengthy hospital stay.

Yes, and it's more intuitive everyday language for most people. So if we're surrounded, I guess we could try fake one way and then try to smash into (shaped like a battering ram) or past the smallest person, or the one in the way of my escape, and run away? Hopefully they are not all too much bigger, and can't pursue for various reasons, such as escaping into a crowd...? I love your channel, btw. Just discovered it yesterday. It's so clear and helpful and makes so much sense, and I learn a lot, and it's also more fun than any fighting channel I've seen. I hope your audience grows a lot -- I really think you deserve it. 🥰🤗

Quadratic is techically exponential, so you aren't wrong

@@cherryb0ng shhhh...don´t!! He´ll come up with another 10 minute video of why "exponential" is not " quadratic" !

​@@cherryb0ng No it is not! Just build two graphs f1(x)=x^2 and f2(x)=2^x and you will see that the second graph grows faster than the first one. And if you build a graph of the ratio of these functions, then you get lf1(x) / f2 (x) -> 0 for x-> inf.

This time, the real victory really WAS the friends we made along the way!

A machete would also probably work quite well against two or three unarmed attackers, because the stakes are so high they are extremely unlikely to rush you at the same time.

@@collegeoffoliage6776 Yeah short of anything like that or a flamethrower, you’re not going to have a good time. Always carry a flamethrower though. Machetes break.

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@@christianc.christian5025 flamethrowers break. At least I know how to fix a machete

HAHAHAHAHA thats what i been thinking to myself for a while, nice to know theres something that describes that phenomenon

Old Boy elevator scene

People think that if someone doesn't have the pride to take you on alone they must be extremely dumb and weak, this simply isn't true. Sometimes they're just smart and cold enough to know that working as a team is best.

Comic books: A Green Lantern is a force to be reckoned that whole planets fear. An army of Green Lanterns are cannon fodder for the new big threat to kill in swathes.

Someone has been watching OSP

they assume the multiple attackers can't fight because if they can there's not much too teach since you're just fucked, of course if they can't fight you are probably still fucked but if you're way better you might have some sort of chance.

Also, knowing how to fight gives you confidence, so that isnt far fetched

Funny thing is, the point when you'll learn whether they can't fight is the point you start getting pummelled. Sure, maybe they are so incompetent that you could have gone blow for blow with them and won, but the first punch has already landed on you. You're fighting from behind.

That's why people some people say combat sports are the best form of self defence, It not only prepares you to go against a fully resisting trained opponent, you adapt to doing it regularly. the reason why arts like Krav Maga and Aikido fail is because they're usually practiced against barely resisting opponents. MMA, Boxing, jiujitsu, wrestling, Judo, Karate, even Fencing prepare you for these scenarios best. They put you into real situations where both participants are actively trying to win.

Most don’t know how to fight

How did you read my mind? lol

You a savage!!!

Yeah but did you do it with a guitar hero controller?

@@lihchong2267 Rockband controller

Okay but what about the Shadows of Yharnam?

Yeah what if you cannot run away.

@@sherisetodd7004 No doubt! I guess just put the leader of the group in the guard and all will be ok!😜

@@jasonrudolph491 it won't work like that. Everyone will be jumping at you. You'll be fcked.

In the same sense that buying a lottery ticket to escape poverty is preferable to doing nothing but statistically there is absolutely no difference. lol.

I’m not sure the guy making this video has been in any situations where he had to fight even one dude.

True. Like, you CAN win the lottery. It's "possible" 😀

The problem with ignoring BJJ is that if you get in a fight with a good wrestler, they WILL take you down. The only way to stop those takedowns, or survive once you're on the ground, is to know how to grapple. The way to avoid a grappling fight is to be the better grappler!

If you've got that much time in law enforcement, you definitely know the place for any kind of grappling. It's called putting the shiny things on the bad person's wrist so I can put them in the back of the no-no car. Those people who exist in the rarified atmosphere of UC work might not have much use for it, and may whatever gods exist bless them and keep them safe. I mean that sincerely. But for those of us who occasionally have to work wearing a silly dark blue uniform and occasionally have to force the concept of non-consensual jewelry upon people, grappling of some sort makes very good sense, though you definitely need to know what side of your body your weapon systems are on and how not to let them become community property. Sometimes sharing isn't caring.

@@ArmchairViolence I agree, that is why I study BJJ. It is part of the arsenal.

@@Jay-ho9io I definitely agree. that's why I study BJJ. It is definitely better to know how to do it than not. I was just saying that you have to watch for other attackers AND you have to guard all the stuff you are wearing on your utility belt.

@@dereksmith6097 "have to watch for others and guard all the stuff you are wearing" Agreed not as easy as it sounds.

Street thugs have no training whatsoever, they're the multiple of idiots.

How? How does an untrained guy put a trained guy in a corner

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@@ExperiencedPlayer2468 First, you actually put the worst example, usually someone who train martial arts would struggle at fighting and that's why they train, to be less like that (of course there are mountains or fierce guys who train but if you go to any martial art school most people can't fight there). Second, most untrained guys who on purpose provoke a fight usually win bc they have experience in the field of street fight, they are fiercer and bigger than normal people, so no, trained guys aren't war machines who can fight any kind of fighter, much less 2 or more people.

⁠very false they’re weak and dumb because why’d they need all that support for one guy if they could beat him alone? Another thing the average person is very weak so they’re done for

But that's you, not every fighter.

no you had not, lol

Link/proof or it didn't happen...

⁠​⁠@@TheFilthyFinchi think OP’s point was to show his coworker’s stupidity, not to flex the abilities of his coworker’s sifu.

feet pics or it didnt happen

So ge took a guys "xheeks" sounds sus.

What you described actually happened to me when I was 12 yrs old. I was on my way home from school with my friend. My friend was riding a bike. Suddenly, 7-8 boys our age were walking along the road in a horizontal line towards us. So there was no way to get around or avoid to move through them. They were goofing around, 2 guys with a cigarette and also one on a bike and I felt that there might be a situation coming up. I was right, because as soon as we walked through, the one guy on the bike turned around and shouted "hey you, stop". He circled with his bike and slowly drove towards us. I decided to go all in. I don't think they planned to beat us both up, but before anything might happen, I shouted at him "what do you want??" shoved the guy from his bike. He lost his cigarette and fell in a bush. After that, he was swinging at me and I somehow threw a jab (didn't know how to fight back then but this was just instinct) and landed. His front teeth pierced my knuckle, one of his teeth broke and he was bleeding all over the place. The guys around him were shocked and circled me "hey, leave him alone, go home". They didn't want to fight, I could cleary tell. By the way: my friend on the bike just moved away and didn't engage, just made his distance. The group could've easily taken me out, but they weren't commited to do anything, they just wanted to intimitade us I think. I wouldn't advice to do something like that, especially to adults, but it was clearly the psychological component which prevented the others to rip my head off.

Hahahaha. That was a great opening with an even better close. Reality is that winning by a margin of 90%-10% against a gang of 20 people still means that you get the shit kicked out of you by 2 people.

@@christianc.christian5025 well part of the problem was that most, if not all of the people he knocked down got back up eventually. Plus, he was on his back foot the entire time. And the whole time his stamina is draining while there's is barely falling at all. Running from a group of attackers really is the best solution when possible.

In all honesty (and from what I remember from 3 years ago), he probably could have beaten 3 to 5 of those guys if there hadn't been 5 to 10 more behind them. The skill differential was that wide. But then you have to ask the question. What did this asshole do in that parking lot to piss off 10 to 20 other people that were willing to chase relentlessly into his punches until they could overwhelm him and beat him up?

I practiced two on one a few times, and it's HARD, even if you're a much more experienced fighter. Like, I sparred opponents I had significant experience advantages over, and it was still pretty consistent that the moment I got even a little bogged down, I was 100% hosed, even in a controlled environment. I tried striking because "avoid grappling," and a green belt crimped my thigh for me while I was distracted and they just overwhelmed me. The next time, I tried "move in aggressively for a fast throw and then pinball to the other." It was the best throw I'd ever done, the guy (another green belt) never saw it coming, and then he rudely hugged my arm and dragged me down with him while the smaller, weaker blue belt jumped in and would have beaten the bejesus out of me if he'd tried. Two is a long shot, even if you actually are a better fighter than them. I'm not sure where anybody gets off thinking they're going to beat up three people at once unless they're fighting a daycare class.

False you can easily beat multiple opponents if you were trained but ig you aren’t

@@BrimleyAvatarI don’t get how people downplay martial arts so much, you gotta either not be skilled, fighting body builders, or just flat out delusional because a trained guy would destroy multiple untrained guys, its like this, a 14 yr old can beat multiple 10 yr olds can they not? Numbers do not provide strength it just requires more difficulty

@@ExperiencedPlayer2468 this is the kind of thing someone who hasn't tried going up against multiple opponents but has watched a lot of Donnie Yen movies would say

​@@BrimleyAvatarThree Street thugs don't know how to accurately throw a punch, or have really never been accurately punched before.

A very skilled athletic person can beat Up to 8 people, ​​⁠remember the average guy is very weak and dumb because why’d they need all that support for one guy if they could beat him alone? Another thing the average person is very weak so they’re done for

Exactly a person who knows how to fight wouldn’t wanna fight, meaning most likely your attackers would be chumps

Commitment, training, experience. There are many factors. If you are a boxer who can do one punch technical ko, you can beat a lot of unarmed, untrained people..

Well said, the average guy cannot fight and if you’re getting jumped it’s most likely by a group average dudes no martial artists are jumping you, and like I said, a trained guy would most likely destroy a bunch of average guys why? Because they’re average, if a trained guy would curbstomp an average guy singularly, whose to say he can’t do multiple? More difficult? Duh? Impossible? Nah.

Bro, I agree with your comment. In addition to this, the punching power of trained fighter for instance, a trained boxer is far more than an average guy

bros the final boss 💀💀💀 "I'm done screwing around" there is no way this actually happened

​@@ExperiencedPlayer2468brain-dead comment, multiple untrained guys can still sprint at you and grab you all at once and now you need the strength to escape 5 men pulling you to the ground and kicking you

@@itsoracle stupid foolish comment, a skilled trained guy isnt gonna let 5 untrained dudes touch, or even overpower him, make it make sense buddy

Bro you’re literally Batman

I took martial arts when I was younger and my first several fights I got jumped and it sucked every time

I hear you. I got lucky. I didn't live in a bad neighborhood but had travelled quite a bit in my 20's. I have had some sticky situations where I had to deal with multiple attackers and all I can say was that my martial arts training worked. Plus all the stars and planets were in alignment. My attackers in Taiwan knew kungfu, but I was head & shoulders taller than they and they were not smart enough to all try to attack me all at once. I suppose the fact that I was laughing at their childish moves helped unnerve them and destroy their confidence, which played a huge role in my getting through this unharmed. I didn't say win. I don't know if there is a way to win in that kind of situation. I can't call it a plan. I trained martial arts a lot but didn't really have a solid plan to deal with multiple attackers but I am certain that my skill and ability gave me the confidence which unnerved my attackers. Is that a plan? To laugh at the attackers? I can't say it would always work. But keeping level headed and casual really helps you to use your brain for both strategy and skill. If you panic your skills disappear.

@@adamortlip2750no he isn’t he got stomped

Well they got lucky then if they stomped you

Some? Most

In hema you got a reasonable shot against a few guys if you have some physical edge. Two or three untrained or out of shape guys with wasters is pretty much no more of a challenge than one.

@@antonioyeats2149 It's like he said in the video, you can keep generating momentum/damage due to the longer range of a sword/staff/polearm or whatever.

@@mrmerfeo4320 agreed. Weapons really are an equalizer. My nephew who's nearly twice my size but knows squat about fighting in general has basically zero chance in an earnest match with bastard sword and buckler, while my girlfriend who's nearly half my size but did competitive fencing and kendo before we all started hema gets me a good 25% of the time with bastard sword and buckler inspite of fairly insane physical disadvantage

Well a trained can but still win alone but i agree tho

@@antonioyeats2149exactly dude! An out of shape slob is an out of shape slob

System counter helps like assassin creed games

So you recommend getting the multiple attackers drunk first.

@@memegazer Finally! A foolproof strategy!

@@memegazer notice how shrek briefly attempts that in the farquad castle fight?

No this is pointless

Those enemies could easily be beaten tho if you’re trained

YES! Thank you! I knew I had heard about something similar in military science many years ago but I could NOT find it! The equation is different, because I am trying to find power levels needed for a single person and Lanchester was estimating casualties for a large force. But the general line of thinking is the same, and my vague recollection from learning that law 15 years ago did inspire this.

@@ArmchairViolence cool. glad to be of help😏

@@ArmchairViolence The video of the guy in the UK in his scenario has a wall behind him when being attacked by multiple attackers where as your'e example did not. Are you a martial artist? You don't look like it.

Spot On

So fighting multiple is hard just because theyre grown men…what? Fighting multiple people as a trained opponent is easy simply from the fact that one has experience with fighting and has skill, mindset, etc to win against a bunch of average untrained slumps…

@@ExperiencedPlayer2468 I don't think you understood what I was saying at all, and I'm not even sure you watched this video. Fighting multiple people is never easy, I used the kid example to show, a single person would only ever win if they have an overwhelming advantage over the group. In my example, if they're just generally bigger, stronger, and smarter, they may stand a chance. Try being a slightly smaller guy who is trained in a street fight with two or three other guys that are just straight up bigger than you, you'll get stomped in a matter of seconds, unless you're an actual MMA fighter who has trained for this EXACT scenario, your odds of survival, let alone winning, are less than 50%. Think of fighting multiple people as being akin to fighting someone in a completely different weight class, if you're let's say 160, and you're fighting someone who is a healthy 200 pounds, sure, you may be able to win if you have dramatically more experience than them, but if they know even the bare basics, you lose a ton of your advantage, because they're already bigger, stronger, and heavier than you, and now they just know how to throw a somewhat decent punch- And it only takes one to knock your lights out. That's why there are weight classes in the first place, a heavier and taller person is just naturally gonna be better at fighting than someone who is smaller and shorter. Continuing to think of weight as a primary factor- Let's say you're the same 160 pound guy, but you're officially professional level, and you're fighting that same guy again, but now he has a friend just as big as he is- You are now 160 pounds of pro, against 400 pounds of pissed off humanity, with 4 arms, and 4 legs, that can be in two places at once- You're still not gonna win that fight. Technique and conditioning is great, and it'll let you go way further than you would otherwise, but there's a point of diminishing returns that simply doesn't exist if you have the option of simply calling more friends for help. A single human body has an upper limit to how much it can adapt, you simply will never be able to out train some people, simply because of genetics, hard work only beats natural advantage so long as natural advantage doesn't work hard, and so long as that advantage is capable of being overcome in a single lifetime. There's no amount of training that an average person can go through that will prepare them to fight 3 people of the same size, weight, and strength, with roughly equal genetics. Just like there's no amount of training OR genetics that will make you immune to getting shot in the face- The side that can put out, and withstand the most force in a conflict, will always win. That's the underlying rule that all forms of violence follow.

I think it depends on the fighter's style. The fighters that grind out decisions could handle less because their longer fights would tire them out. Quick knockout artists could probably handle more, as long as they don't exhaust themselves blitzing for a finish. Francis Ngannou could probably handle several hundred normal people in a row lol

Probably has something to do with the fact that officers carry tasers, firearms, batons, and are moderately well trained in hand to hand combat, and prisoners, while being big, most likely not being trained combatants.

@@Bladerunner39 None of that is true. If you took that equipment into the cell house, the inmates would take it away immediately. Corrections officers are just average Joes.

Man it all depends on the opponent. You're talking about a killing machine. With a punch of almost 1 ton.

You mean a narrow minded video

Yeah, I should have been more clear that it IS possible, but it requires you to MASSIVELY outclass your opponents. Like, Jon Jones could probably fight 3-4 of me at once, because he's Jon Jones. I just hate when people pretend that beating up 5 grown men is something that anyone could do with a little bit of training when it's really something that only large, talented people can do after a crap-ton of training.

It’s a vague concept… ‘Multiple attackers’ can mean that someone hit one guy in a fight and then that person’s friend ran over and you fought him off. That generally is not what people are thinking of. And depending on where you live and what you do for a living, if you’re genuinely getting jumped by 3 or more people at once who all intend to do you serious harm, you need to really question your life choices. So, the natural likelihoods are that the person is either lying or leaving out significant details… like whether or not “multiple attackers” means your girlfriend and her little sister.

Good to know You had me scared for a second. 😅​@@ArmchairViolence

lol you did him dirty

No So fighting multiple is hard just because theyre more than one…what? Fighting multiple people as a trained opponent is easy simply from the fact that one has experience with fighting and has skill, mindset, etc to win against a bunch of average untrained slumps…if a trained guy can easily destroy a regular guy, what does multiple regular guys mean? Way harder? Duh? Impossible? Not at all especially if you are more skilled/experienced than them

Once again thats the ideal option, if you can’t run away you can win if you’re trained simple bro😂

I just use my pepper spray that's it.

And run to where there are people and light...go right inside a strangers house and lock the door behind you. You can always explain to the inhabitants whats going on. The worst they will do is call the Police.....better than getting your head kicked in

If you can't beat them then you're probably not outrunning them either 😅

@@3nertia Not true I know some track guys that could out run the toughest thug. But, if they were to stand and fight they'd get crushed

@@johnmatonne7834 Hence the use of the qualifier "probably". The reality is that *most* people are not outrunning criminals who outrun cops for a living lol. Granted, I'm currently in the shape to do neither fight nor run but if it comes down to it, I'd rather fight than run. In my experience, fighting is actually more energy efficient heh

@@3nertia not exactly true, but yeah, theoretically, it’s your best bet🙂