Same like damn its going smoothly but failed damn

bro do you not see the chunks breaking off??

@@ff-qf1th do you mean the impurities?

I READ THE COMMENT BEFORE WATCHING, but when I saw it, OMG ME TOO.

Gandalf? Don't you have a sword?

Chris Adkins that’s what I was thinking? Like melt the damn thing so you can get rid of those impurities and close up the fractures

Correct me if I am wrong here but didn't they typically mix the star metal with other metals to make it forgable? Like a canister damascus!?

Re-smelting was my idea too

That's exactly what I was thinking. Melting just like in the movies.

Daniel O'Connor You're correct

That’s what I was thinking I wonder why he didn’t melt it down🤷‍♂️🤔

@@CrazyLearningcrazy I think he wants to try and put a Damascus pattern into the meteorite metal. That usually doesn't work with meteorite metal until after it's been melted and purified a bit more.

@@dawall3732 even I know that and I don’t do blacksmithing that much……yet😏😁🤔 i’m curious though why hasn’t he done it the old-fashioned way melting it down completely into a liquid or is that an actual wrong way to go about it……🤷‍♂️ oh well I guess what’s done is done

I wonder if it would be possible for him to canister forge a piece of the meteorite into something that's actually usable? Although I still can't think of a way for him to get those silica impurities out of it without melting it.

@@CrazyLearningcrazy It could be as simple as he just normally works with metal that he doesn't have to melt down himself? Also it seems as though most blacksmiths on KZfaq think it's more troubled than it's worth to melt the metal into a liquid first.

im with you, probably needed to be melted down first

Agreed, melt it down seemed like the good plan from the get go. Be able to burn off most of the impurities plus, I don't know why Alec hasn't gotten into melting his own metal yet if only for curiosity sake.

Could put in in a square tube with iron filings, seal the tube up, get it hot then forge that, you would have embedded meteorite, with better iron to hold it together.

Problem is, when you melt it down, it's basically just a piece of steel really.. Kramer, whom makes knives, has made knives out of meteorite and after the processes to make it possible to forge it into a knife it became regular steel and nothing too special, and goes on to sell it for $$$$. Meteorite steel is special until you smelt it or maybe even forge it, as it loses it's structural beauty

That is exactly what I told him to do yesterday. Make a clay smelting furnace and melt it down. Would make for a cool video in any case!

Jurie Cilliers or combine it with other iron to make it stronger!

Sounds like a semi-decent Rick and Morty side plot.

The shame

Any guy who gets stabbed by that knife would feel God's wrath..

I'm watching this.. while building my ironman armour..

This is destiny my friend

yep it would also keep some of the unique metals including unknowns iridium and such the silicates might cook out...

I found a Canadian blog where a blacksmith was able to successfully forge a meteor by sandwiching it in between modern steel.

If you get it to full alpha phase it loses all crystal structure, letting you regrow it as you wish. The tricky part is the dissimilar compositions...

The way the Japanese did with blooms? You could heat up the meteorite, quench it, break it apart, stack up the metal pieces, then weld and fold and weld and fold until it is pure enough to get to work on it.

I believe the term you're trying to find is Wootz. Yes, I think that would help here. The problem is it wouldn't keep its natural pattern, which Alec was trying to maintain by forging the meteorite directly. But Wootz comes out with neat patterns of its own, so it's not like he'd be losing entirely..

Hmm, I feel like the word starts with a D...

But that would remove the whole point of using the meteroid as all patterns would be lodt

Consolidate

Lots of us want to! Lads and Lasses too, but for many of us it's either not available due to limited space (city apartments are great for studying and jobs, bad for a lot of other stuff) or it's not available because it's just not a thing in our city. The closest smithy to me is a city away, and for classes around smithing and metalworking are probably even further.

Carbon, vanadium, niobium make a good blade steel like S35VN 👍

I think he wants to forge the whole thing including impurities

Well yeah that wouldve worked but that's kind of cheating

@@ozkan576 Well we've always got the inpurities out, that's why we were able to forge a good steel! Basics is what matters!

@@klausrhodes6969 Yeah, I understand that but I'm talking like in the context of what he's doing. His goal isn't really to make a functional blade, it's to forge the meteorite and the "challenge" if you will of forging the meteorite isn't really there if you take out the impurities, at least that's how I look at it.

Snes Guy Yeah. At _this_ rate, he'll never make a Daedric Sword.

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That meteorite looks more pure metal than this.

Should have used much more flux when using this prized piece of history and de-scale often. And smelt it otherwise it was wreaked by not doing more research on how to melt to get out all the shxx, flux often and at least the owner would have had a product made from a very expensive piece of history . kinda sad but this is entertainment not forging . at least this guy tried but failed cause of lack of research........

Aizen 92 Man at arms reforged have made a sokka meteorite sword and it took them a more than a thousand dollar worth of meteorite

Neysiriss ye i saw it... that's why a said a knife would be plenty good... however... if many fans send Alec meteorites from all over the world, when he gets enough he could definitely do it... i am going to suggest that in the next video... who knows, enough people might listen...

That's a really great idea (although i doubt it would happen), but I would think it would be much cooler if instead of recreating something a professional crew already did. Instead he should do something new Alec Steele style ^^

Part of what made the Sokka sword possible was that they introduced new material into it, and constantly folded it to help remove the impurities. They also used material that is known to be higher purity than some meteorites. This one that Alec has, it seems, would require much more refining to get it to the point where it could be forgable, and even then, putting known steel into the mix would probably help as well.

yeah I was thinking the same think smelt it where then it will bond together and mold it into a medium thin bar

He knows nothing, Jon Snow.

this is the way

@W, O'Keeffe HE IS FORGING YOU IDIOTS

Bet he cant make a laser gun

@@jonmaidens568 or a staff that yeets down literal meteors

aw man i feel that

Drill containment unit: he said what

@@abyssvsthewrld or a cannon that shoots literal stars

I agree, smelt and pour into an ingot to get better grain structure. He definitely has enough to give it a try.

Agreed also melting it down would add th e nickel and silica deposits giving it a natural alloy and carbon content. Realistically it would be far better.

TheMiniMose Hope he sees this

TheMiniMose Exactly, everyone wants to see that space rock being turned into a blade!

That's stupid. If you're going to melt it then there was never a point in using meteorite.

Was going to suggest the same thing.

@Carter Swafford he is forging.

then its just iron.

F. Tabert t

He could've casted it to try and remove the impurities. That could've worked, but I don't know how many times it would've to be done. Guess it's a possibility If he didn't throw it away

Treating it like tamahagane is a far better option then casting it. Claying the pieces before you put it in the heat. Also not using a propane forge until you have a consolidated billet.

Pedro Wirti Why would he ever throw a piece of meteorite

I guess alec has little burnmarks on his skin every now and then, I think that happens when you work day for day with red hot steel, so he's kinda used to it :D

I learned a long time ago, training firefighters how to cut apart cars with Jaws, you never use your fingers to "point-out" something. The Jaws can cut apart a car like shears through a soda can, so I wanted to make sure I kept my digits. I would remove the antenna from the car and use it as a pointer. Alec, forge yourself a damascus "Instructor's Wand" to use as a pointer when you are teaching people how to forge hot metal.

Wow😐

scotishjoe easiest way to cross subs. would only be in both party's better interests

that is what i wanted to say cody would be the best man for this

Yea Bob Kramer does it all the time.

It seems evident, Alec stopped reading suggestions in comments some long time ago. Suggestions in this project will be ignored, just as suggestions on other projects have gone ignored. Some subs that are more learned in processes Alec admits are new to him, offer tips to improve these new processes. Then in subsequent videos when he again tackles these new processes, he makes the same mistakes. Watch videos of older smiths forging Damascus. Note how much flux they use in their process. Seldom if ever, have problems with not welding, cold shuts etc.. Alec if he uses flux at all, uses it like it's made of gold dust. He always has issues with poor welds and cold shuts. It's such a cheap, available product, and serves a valuable purpose. You might also note, those more experienced smiths have far less scale due to the flux. It's meant to prevent oxidation. I honestly don't believe he knows the first thing about oxidizing and reducing atmospheres with forge or torch. Bright yellow flame, oxidizing, bright blue flame reducing, as in not having a lot of oxide causing oxygen. Alec is a member of the more is better school. Crank up the flame, let 'er rip. He has balancers on this forge to adjust for this. Note the flame on his forge, always bright yellow. I could go on. What's the point? He's a legend in his own mind. His videos have more to do with showmanship and ego than in bettering his craft. Seriously, how long has it been since you've seen Alec reply to comments? "A wise man learns from others' mistakes, a fool must learn on his own."

David Johnston actually Alec jas responded to a few of my comments recently. It seems like he is only able to do that if you are an early post. I can totally understand not having the time to answere 1,000+ comments. As to his forging, I am no expert. I really enjoy his videos, and as an older fella, I can see his growth and am proud for him. It is hard not to read your own press, and there is a ton of buzz around him. But that is a product of a bunch of hard work. The Showmanship you mentioned is part of it, and It is a good thing. I have watched othet cjanels and I am bord to death...lol! So, please give me a good show. I do hope he can keep it real as he grows. But, I think he can and will keep working on himself. That is the most fun part of all this! Watching him grow and develop, and deal with his success is a wild ride and on a social level, is very cool to watch unfold. Try to see the good in people ny feiend, it will make your life deeper and more meaningful...;) good luck!

Alec ends each video asking for comments and suggestions. Sometimes it would be well worth his while to see those that offer sound advice, if not, why bother to ask. I enjoy his videos, they have gotten a lot better since adding Jamie to the team. I do see the good in him. He's a brilliant young man with lots of talent. As a much older man, a craftsman myself, I know the value of good mentors that share their experience. Alec has learned a lot in his short life, he could benefit his ability to learn new processes through those sharing their knowledge. Is his channel now all about showmanship and monetizing content, or also about learning more and adding to his skill set? He can take the comments of sycophants, as you say, the wild ride on a social level, but not to the exclusion of those offering sound advice. There is criticism for the sake of being critical. Then there is constructive criticism in offering sound advice and knowledge. I'm trying to offer constructive criticism, in that he might not want to allow the giddiness of his popularity, override his desire to learn and improve. In the instance of this meteorite for example. He has a rare, highly prized material worthy of serious consideration. This is not tool steel from his local iron monger. I for one would have been more impressed had he introduced us to this material, thank the donor, then say he is going to research more on how best to handle it, much as he did when learning about TIG welding. Rather than making cringe worthy videos as he approaches this material so cavalierly. Your original comment even touches on that.

David Johnston I can fully agree with you on that. I hope somehow he sees this. It is sage advice from a couple of well meaning "older Fellas".

That was my thought as well. Meteorites are essentially ore.

This is stupid, ffs, just bunch idiot with tools to play with..

but then it wont be a meteorite

if you melt it, it stops being a meteroite. it also means that the age of the meteorite will be completly fucked.

@@aqniamorros shut up and go listen to Martin garrix. Where's your bodies of work?

Agreed. This should have been worked completely differently. Either as you suggest or as crucible stell.

Abhishek Rajopadhye I think he was trying to see if he could forge it by itself without using any alloying agents.?

Chris Osborne, The use of meteors to forge knives and swords is well documented as done before there were other sources of iron. KZfaq videos show how to do it. Here are some links: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bL9mpJZl15upfWg.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jL6XY7ir0ZfUpWw.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gcWAhpWdmJepmIE.html The technology is ancient and there is more than one way to do it. Crucible steel would be the easiest. Yet Alec Steele didn't do his research. We could have had a fascinating crucible steel video where he turns that meteor into a good billet and then forges it but he wasted it instead. That easily was a thousand dollars of meteor, EASILY!

he was trying to use only meteors steel, if we use steel from earth then it will not be pure

yes but he did that on Part 1 video . hes basically a duetch

EXACTLY! Mix it with a good forgiving carbon steel like 1095 and not only will it be strong... but that etch later! That natural pattern would be beast!

He tried forge welding. If it won't hold together then that's pointless. So adding other metals isn't going to help.

If you do canister damasks it should weld together extremely well I've learned that from a good friend of mine that is a well known ironsmith

Most meteorites contain quite a bit of sulphur as well. I agree mixing it with something else would help greatly.. I wonder if you pulverized the thing to this size of gravel then basically cast it into a ingot??

Do you think the cracks are difficult to forgeweld together because of scale? It did get heated up a lot when it went through earth atmosphere! Surely the different alloys should not interfere with the weld?

Absolutely correct.

im so glad he stopped doing it. its almost painfully obvious when you go back

I agree. That is the most obvious thing! It would have worked.

Exactly what I was thinking.

musthavmusic you could also fold it multiple times, that also removes impurities, remove air pockets and makes the bonds stronger

Eros John Delos Santos, Yes, that would work too. Combining both would be the best way.

The Laughing Hyenas doing both would work but you cannot just fold it, you need to go through a breakdown process to remove impurities whether it's melting or breaking it down through a chemical reaction

The same for me 🤣

This comment needs more likes. In my opinion, this is *the* thing to do. He just keeps wasting thousands of dollars worth of meteorite.

Psychx, That went through my mind too! Great comment.

Build an oven in bricks going from a say 20" bottom to a 6" chimney at the top with a crucible of clay in the bottom. Seal it completely with mud or clay except for one small air intake at the bottom. Fill the entire thing up to the chimney opening with coke (coal), and light it from the top. Let it get to temperature, put your raw iron on top, add limestone and more coke on top, and plug the air intake. Keep adding coke on top as it burns down, and remove the plug to check the crucible periodically. Eventually your iron will melt and collect in the crucible at the bottom, picking up a lot of carbon in the process, and removing impurities (the limestone binds with silicon dioxide impurities, and the oxides are extracted by the coke carbon looking for oxygen). At that point let it burn down and cool down, and you will have a nice ingot of high carbon nickel steel at the bottom that you can then forge.

So basically make a mini blast furnace... don't forget he will need to remove the slag from the process.

The smiths at Man at Arms turned it into a Damascus billet and ruined a bunch of their equipment but they ended up with a beautiful sword.

He can if he has a crucible to put it in, & his forge gets hot enough of course.

Ken MacMillan he could get his forge hot enough if he had that 3rd burner in it, maybe. Either way he'd be better off getting a nice graphite crucible and a good smelting furnace for it.

cn clown But it would ruin the whole point of using a meteorite, which is the cool pattern it has.

was saying that last video too. SMELT THE METAL!!!!!!!!!!!

Christopher Tödt it'd still have a cool pattern. The main point is though, with those silicate inclusions in the metal, it isn't going to consolidate very well. Glass and metal don't mix well. Plus with the gallium and other softer metals in there, it's also keeping the consolidation from happening properly.

I was saying the same thing as I watched the video. I was hoping throughtout the first part that he was planning to make a statue of sorts to commemorate the journey that chunk of metal had to make to get to the place where he would have the chance to try and forge it. But hey a knife is good too.

Akmundra, when you really think about it all metal is space metal.

Yeah, mainly after the big bang, matter just formed hydrogen. The universe is still more hydrogen than anything else. More complicated elements are the remnants of exploded stars. With the really high atomic weight elements mainly coming from exotic sources like supernovas. So anything not hydrogen, is "star dust" (or 'star carcass bits' if you want to sound less new agey about it).

A. That would require a specialist smelter because of the types of metal in that meteorite. B. If you remove the impurities then its not a meteorite metal anymore, its just pure iron.

Not quite right Ruben. Alloys are different blends of metals that result in different properties. Stainless steel is a specific blend or recipe, and basic steel includes a ratio of iron and carbon (different ratios for different hardness). I'm sure you know the basics of smelting, that it is taking rocks (ore) and removing materials like silicate sand and breaking apart molecules like rust, also known as iron oxide, and forming new molecular compounds to create a material, pig iron, that can be forged. I am sure that you also know that while the molten metal is still splashing around in the crucible after it has dripped out of the coke furnace, additional carbon is added in the form of coal (also known as coke) and other metals are added like nickel or chromium or titanium are added to create steel alloys.

Alec steele I agree with these folks melt it down mix it up and then forge it !

He needs to process it as the Japanese process bloom or iron sand material. It needs to be folded dozens of times to create thousands of layers, the process in which it will consolidate the material, using a lot of flux between each and every fold, forge welding each together, until he's left with a material that is suitable for making a knife. But the guy just keeps doing the same stupid thing over and over again, completely wasting the meteorite material. He /could/ have done something really cool with it if he just slowed down, took a moment from his grandstanding to actually read up on what it is he needs to do to make it usable. Or, he could just read some of these comments.

Not what he tried, he tried to treat it like any simple tool steel he picked up at the yard. This stuff acts like crucible steel or bloomery steel and takes special handling. If he'd stopped the grandstanding for a little bit and done the research he would find there are several smiths that work meteorite with success. But it's more impressive to the masses to beat on it willy nilly.

Would me awesome to see some casting of blades and forging them !

borisssman typically iron cool too fast in a mold to be cast. What you will get is a half-formed chunk

Jack Kardic Cast iron is alloyed differently than the stuff you would forge a tool out of. It makes it pretty difficult to work with with a hammer and anvil but a lot easier to pour cast

bigghoss762 a serrated urumi probably

My brother made a blade from one. A shitty blade, but a blade nonetheless.

The shards of Narsil have been remade.

bigghoss762 yes, you can make a pretty decent Damascus blade from one you just have to cut it into pieces and then Billet weld it together

bigghoss762 now that's a 🤔🤔🤔 hmmMmmMmmMmMmmMmMmMmMmM moment

It's called a conglomerate.

Underrated comment 🤣

he needs anneal it and to consolidate it with a wooden hammer

There’s even a point in the first video where it looks like he’s got the pieces stacked much in the same way Japanese swordmakers would. All he needed was some clay/ash water and more forging / refining time. Please don’t throw that away, just need to refine it properly... whack whack that pig iron into shape...

I absolutely concur. And if you were to cast an item, to weld to it you MUST cast your welding rod WITH the piece you want to weld too, so that the composition of the metal is as exactly matched as can be. Not only to minimize discoloration but strength as well.

That's exactly what I was thinking about. He should treat this material like the japanese blacksmiths treat the tamahagane in katana making. If the theory is correct, when you drop the red hot steel into cold water, it will explode and break into the tiny steel pieces that are roughly consolidated. Then forging them to tiny plates one by one, and then stacking them according to their carbon vein (aligneing all parallel), he should get a preety good stock to work with. He could also intercalate the pieces with a very weldable steel to make a damascus billet, as the Man At Arms guys made with their meteorite sword.

It's the riddle of steel

Oh no! The aliens have escaped area 51 Richard cantin is one of them

@@aliaaiz278 cringe

thats what i was thinking. surely that would be better

I was thinking the same thing. The thing is already shocked from hitting earth at a billion MPH or w/e speed and cracked from that and the rapid space cold to atmosphere heat, why shock it more? Also, giving it a good solid steel to forge weld on to would make a good blank. If I were him (and I'm not even close to..) I would try to forge weld it into some 1095 or another forgiving high carbon steel. The the etch would show all the rest of it as a close to natural Damascus pattern from the meteorite.

I was thinking that. Not shocking the metal every hit

Silky Reptile the also made a meteorite sword, I believe they added steel to it to help them work it.

Yes I believe it was sokka from airbenders sword

Imagine having a knife that was 4.5 billion years old

Never ever xD that's how you cover the people beside you in what was on your hand

lol 83 likes but no replys so first

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emojis are not cool

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Do you know how flimsy a saw blade is on its on?

MarcB TheBestMC that's why you forge weld the saw into a nice sized billet. Could get a decent dagger out of it

Nate Kester Thats what I mean

Yes, nickel. As soon as that was mentioned I knew it wouldn't forge in air. Metallurgy is the study of metals. Education isn't a waste of time. This video is.

blidness

Make a bloomery and smelt it down into steel.

bloomery iron is one thing, then you got bog iron... have helped digging up and making bog-iron as a viking project back in high-school... and then the tidies process of hammering out the impurities (and holly smolly the glowing bits goes everywhere in the start so expect burn-marks everywhere even with full cover) but yeah... fold, fold, fold, more fold, fold, foldely fold... though if he made the meteorite useful for something with folding it would lose the amazing patterns when etched.

I think pretty much anything that made that meteorite workable would also remove the interesting patterns. Folding (which he tried but couldn't get to weld to itself), smelting, etc. The impurities need to be removed, but the impurities make the pattern. It might be possible to do a partial smelt and only remove some of the impurities, but I think that would still homogenize it and remove any interesting patterns. It's a catch-22. It just becomes a case of "This is a knife made from a meteorite!" "Oh? What's special about it?" "Nothing, the iron just came from a meteorite."

Jeffery Wells Technically, Space iron has less carbon and more nickel. King Tut has a meteorite knife. Without smelting, you need a really pure (silicate and non-metal​ mineral free) meteorite. King tuts knife is so pure its gone 1000's of years no sign of rust.

@@AgentJRock805 also search up the Tlingit meteor daggers those are Uber cool super sexy blades

A sheep, a drum and a snake are rolling down hill. Baaah, dumm, tsss. ^_^

UncleManuel ah it hurts

MUM!N yeah.. Thought of that while watching part 1. Just like Sokka did. XD

Super978x was it nesasary to make a pun

I was completely necessary

Boom, regular steel..

easier said than done

the word your looking for is Smelt

That's what I was thinking too. Sadly Alec doesn't have the equipment to smelt things...

he should forge it into wrought iron.

He gave up.

Sadly the way he was trying to forge it is impossible because of all the impurities in the meteorite. He has to completely melt it down to get the impurities outs to be able to forge it.

Meteorite was very old and Jamie was very progressive... Progressive till the rainbow. If you know what I mean.

Jamie is the meteorite

It's an attempt to salvage something of the vid. I learned lots watching the unsuccessful forging attempt. Tough stuff- so unrefined and clotted. Send it to the steel mill for micro batch processing. Bet the Smithsonian would do it as a fracking cool colab!.😃

Crabapple Annie it contains way too many impurities, the heating would be a bit irregular and the cooling process would be much worse if they don't remove those first, making it lose the "meteorite identity". Forging the meteorite like this conserves most of its original composition, even if not optimal, making the end product more memorable than just a meteorite turned ingot turned knife.. 'least, that's what I think of it

CDgonePotatoes Thanks for your response. That pretty much answered my question. I appreciate your help.

Of course, meteorite iron is a thing, and old archaeological artifacts of it has been found.

Crabapple thats the thing i commented like a billion times!!

+Crabapple Annie _"However, I am curious to know; could this lump be melted and made into something forgeable?"_ Yes. You could use a crucible to melt down the steel, which would also remove many impurities in the process. Crucible melting was also one of the earliest ways mankind melted iron to make steel alloys as well. There has been evidence that some of the best steel swords in medieval Europe - the "Ulfberht" swords - were made from crucible steel.

I was going to comment the same thing.

i kinda like it

First thing I noticed

Fresh cuts for the sl.. women..

check some of his earlier videos there are a lot of the answers there

Matt M yeah I've seen a fair whack but I reckon it would be good for his newer audience and I would also love to see a couple of videos with him working with his Dad I think it'd be wonderful :)

Yeah, that's what he needs to do. It's annoying because five seconds of rudimentary research on the topic and he'd find thousands of KZfaqrs doing just that. I suspect shouting at his camera for two episodes and failing makes him more KZfaq shekels than being honest and doing it right will.