Canadian Experimental Lightweight No4 Enfield

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7 жыл бұрын

In 1943 the need for a lighter and handier version of the Lee Enfield rifle became clear throughout the British Commonwealth, and experimentation began in Canada, Britain, and Australia. The work in Britain would culminate in the No5 Mk1 rifle, but the Canadian arsenal at Long Branch would try some different ideas first. Several different experimental prototypes were made with varying features, but they all shared the idea of substantially lightening the rifle without shortening it very much. This was done by removing metal anywhere possible, most obviously including the elimination of the stock socket and the use of a single piece stock in place of the traditional two piece Enfield stock.
These modifications, also including an aluminum alloy trigger guard, were able to cut 25% of the weight from the rifle, and do so without a significant loss in accuracy. However, I suspect the resulting rifle would have proven far too fragile for combat use had it been adopted. The stock is surprisingly light and thin at the wrist, and it feels like it would not take much force to crack it. In addition, lightening cuts down the length of the hand guard made it quite susceptible to warping with heat and humidity changes.
Ultimately the Long Branch Lee Enfield carbine experiments would be abandoned as the No5 “Jungle Carbine” was adopted instead.
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@nerdking5277
@nerdking5277 7 жыл бұрын
It's always nice to see a new episode of "The Joy of Firearms" by Bob Ross.
@VC-Toronto
@VC-Toronto 7 жыл бұрын
For those 99.9% of viewers that don't know, Long Branch at that time was a small "village", that is now part of the city of Toronto.
@VC-Toronto
@VC-Toronto 7 жыл бұрын
With a little bit now in Mississauga, which is where the arsenal was located.
@DiggingSmith
@DiggingSmith 7 жыл бұрын
where the Long Branch factory was is now Marie Curtis Park
@minuteman4199
@minuteman4199 7 жыл бұрын
I thought Long Branch Arsenal lasted beyond the end of WW11. Didn't Long Branch manufacture the FN series and Sterling SMG's? If they didn't, who did?
@VC-Toronto
@VC-Toronto 7 жыл бұрын
My mistake! I had always thought that the dividing line between Toronto and Mississauga at the south end was Etobicoke Creek, which appears to be incorrect from Lakeshore to Eglinton. The border seems to dog-leg, so that all of Marie Curtis Park, even that portion west of the creek, is part of Toronto. (Live in the area 50 years, and still learn something new) So the factory was in present day Toronto.
@RobbTZombie
@RobbTZombie 7 жыл бұрын
Lol this is weird, I've lived in the area my whole life, I walk my dog through the old shooting range every day.
@larrythorn4715
@larrythorn4715 2 жыл бұрын
I really do like the look of the "one peice" stock. If these were available without the light weight metal bits and without the lightening cuts in the stock I would probably want one in my collection.
@Frob25
@Frob25 7 жыл бұрын
My No5, it had a wondering zero. But I read somewhere, reputable, to try some .310 diameter bullets when reloading, instead of the .311 and .312's. It brought the zero right in, and made a respectable group, for milsurp rifle.
@lowridersvt
@lowridersvt 7 жыл бұрын
Long branch survived in the 1950's building enfields for the Canadian military past Korea till replaced by the Fn-fal C1 . They also made survival versions of the no4 called an Eal . And also did conversion of no4's to target rifles into the 1960's
@madsdarre4229
@madsdarre4229 7 жыл бұрын
ian , we cant let you stop using your signature "hey guys". this is the first warning, you better not forget next time!
@scottboyd785
@scottboyd785 7 жыл бұрын
Mads Darre Canadian rifle, maybe he should have said "Eh, guys" ;-)
@madsdarre4229
@madsdarre4229 7 жыл бұрын
either that or sorry guys ;)
@brancaleone8895
@brancaleone8895 7 жыл бұрын
fogotten signatures
@canadienlieutenant3393
@canadienlieutenant3393 4 жыл бұрын
Scott Boyd Really
@9drtr
@9drtr 7 жыл бұрын
Grandad was a machinist at Long Branch through most of the war. He may have worked on this one.
@Birdy890
@Birdy890 7 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most beautiful looking Enfields I've ever seen.
@tannertempleton3404
@tannertempleton3404 11 ай бұрын
Long Branch produced some of the highest quality Lee Enfields out there.
@ArizonaRanger21
@ArizonaRanger21 7 жыл бұрын
I'd really like to see a video on Canadian military rifles through the years.
@Oblithian
@Oblithian 4 жыл бұрын
It's not as interesting as you'd think. Basically either modelling the US or the UK, but with minor adaptations along the way.
@tannertempleton3404
@tannertempleton3404 11 ай бұрын
​@@OblithianYep, went from improved British designs to improved Belgian (FAL) to improved American (AR).
@troy9477
@troy9477 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I was surprised at just how much weught they were able to shave off. Pretty ingenious. I have a No 4 Mk1, and i love it. It is a mite heavy though, like most wood and steel military rifles. It's good to know that engineers and designers are always rhinking, refining, and testing. Great video as always. Thanks
@brustar5152
@brustar5152 5 жыл бұрын
Long Branch Canadian Arsenals Ltd. A crown owned entity, produced firearms all the way into the 1970's until closing. In 1967/8 I was a general machinist working as a "set-up" guy tasked with setting up machinery with fixtures and jigs for production runs of Canadian and American stuff: Browning 9mm HiPower, gas control return blocks for the M14, breech block return pistons M14, barrels for the M14, barrels for the M-79 Grenade launcher, aircraft carrier retainer cable glob ends, resurfacing and honing of 105 howitzer recoil cylinders. various bits and pieces for the Stirling/Patchett LMG's, plus a host of other stuff like boring and honing 250cc cylinders for some 2 stoke engine of which the make alludes me now. These were just the things I was personally associated with. Oh, and it should be mentioned not one of my hundreds of machines I tool proved, all the way up to 50 ton vertical broaches was operated by men.
@StewyAdamRules
@StewyAdamRules 8 ай бұрын
I just found a Long Branch No 4 yesterday! Glad to add the Lee-Enfield to my collection.
@robkcra
@robkcra 3 жыл бұрын
Intriguing review. Thank you! As a matter of interest given your comment about the years of operation of Long Branch, I own a Lee Enfield which bears this stamp: C No 4 Mk 1* Long Branch 1949
@usslibertyincident
@usslibertyincident 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so use to hearing "Hey guys" that when I didn't hear it I thought I did, but then restarted the video over and over again to see if he said it.
@masaharumorimoto4761
@masaharumorimoto4761 7 жыл бұрын
In Canadian Sea Cadets, we used the .22 No.7 Enfield, buttery smooth action, and accurate as all hell! I miss them SO much... gotta get me some Enfields asap! Thanks for the member berries Ian!!!
@camorpheusau2344
@camorpheusau2344 7 жыл бұрын
No "hey guys"? Legit threw me off
@niteblood96
@niteblood96 7 жыл бұрын
Cameron-Youhanna hey
@camorpheusau2344
@camorpheusau2344 7 жыл бұрын
Legit whoa
@sebathadah1559
@sebathadah1559 7 жыл бұрын
hey guys
@tomspotley5733
@tomspotley5733 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a minute in and Ian hasn't said 'nomenclature' or 'at any rate' yet. Crazyz
@aldi404
@aldi404 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe an imposter ^^
@ridgetabaquero5972
@ridgetabaquero5972 7 жыл бұрын
Great to see some canadian weapons making its' way to your channel.
@EVYNROCKS115
@EVYNROCKS115 7 жыл бұрын
Being a Canadian , I love seeing these old Canadian guns .... Great video
@alexduke7839
@alexduke7839 7 жыл бұрын
It's cool to see some Canadian firearms, thanks Ian.
@thespankdmonkey
@thespankdmonkey 6 жыл бұрын
That rifle looks almost brand new! I can see why such a rare bird would draw such a premium.
@thustra07
@thustra07 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for steering me to The Great War channel.
@KB9813
@KB9813 7 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian I would love this rifle...
@ianj1828
@ianj1828 7 жыл бұрын
I have a pair of standard no.4s. this was a very interesting video. thanks!
@spef7396
@spef7396 7 жыл бұрын
really good job ian :) keep it up
@Burningnewt
@Burningnewt 7 жыл бұрын
the jungle carbine is my favorite Enfield variant, but mostly because it shares a bayonet with the Sterling SMG
@kovacskovacs3465
@kovacskovacs3465 7 жыл бұрын
IIRC, the trigger on the No.4 Enfields is on the trigger guard for the No.4 Mk.1 only. The trigger was attached to the receiver for the No.4 Mk.2, among other improvements. In fact, the No.4 Mk.1 rifles were upgraded to Mk.2 standards, which is why upgraded versions are stamped with a "1/2". Though chronologically, the Jungle Carbine variant does precede the No.4 Mk.2 version by 5 years, so at the time, the only No.4 rifles would be the No.4 Mk.1. But, I just wanted to clarify.
@electricsalad10
@electricsalad10 7 жыл бұрын
Ian didn't say "Hey Guys" I'm having a panic attack.
@rupertmcnaughtdavis7302
@rupertmcnaughtdavis7302 7 жыл бұрын
Ian,you have a namesake here in South Africa,he was a famous rugby player about 40 years ago!
@NKG416
@NKG416 7 жыл бұрын
New sub here,this channel upload so frequently Love this channel
@josuelservin2409
@josuelservin2409 7 жыл бұрын
I'm Bored Welcome, and I recommend you to check all the old videos I bet they will help with your boredom ;)
@NKG416
@NKG416 7 жыл бұрын
absolutely!
@serpico1616
@serpico1616 7 жыл бұрын
I am Canadian and I approve of this video.... and rifle :D
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 7 жыл бұрын
Ah, the eternal tradeoff. You want that weapon to be light when you're hauling it around all day, but you want it to be heavy when it's absorbing the shock from firing.
@jhb9526
@jhb9526 7 жыл бұрын
I see the top front fore-end is much shorter, that helps it deal with slipping fore-end (like on my Long Branch No4 Mk1*) interfering with accuracy by contacting the intended free float barrel.
@TitanticIndustries
@TitanticIndustries 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian I think you've got the wrong Canadian flag in the thumbnail. Canada had a flag with a less busy crest from 1921-1957. The flag shown was used in WW1 but not WW2. Great video as always, love the Canadiana!
@rodzor
@rodzor 7 жыл бұрын
Titantic Industries I noticed that too, just glad it's not the maple leaf. The flag used has a crest signifying England, France, Scotland and Ireland. With 3 maple leafs at the bottom linking the other 4 countries.
@Crlarl
@Crlarl 7 жыл бұрын
Titantic Industries Correct. The Canadian Red Ensign has had several revisions.
@ModelOmegaForReal
@ModelOmegaForReal 7 жыл бұрын
Yay! A Canadian gun! I hope eventually you'll be able to go over a C7!
@joekurtz6587
@joekurtz6587 7 жыл бұрын
ModelOmega too modern to be forgotten , however them tfb tv boys got their hands on a vet that got his hands on a c7ish rifle
@ModelOmegaForReal
@ModelOmegaForReal 7 жыл бұрын
Well FW has done lots of looks at "modern" guns, the FAMAS F1, L85A1 and Barrett series come to mind.
@joekurtz6587
@joekurtz6587 7 жыл бұрын
ModelOmega yeah yeah but as far as modern firearms go the ar series is by far the most representative and they are pretty much all similar mechanically
@USNVA11
@USNVA11 7 жыл бұрын
I own a No.4 Mk2 and an Ishapore 2A1 .308 carbine. The carbine is lighter of course, however, going into battle I would prefer the No.4 Mk2. It is a well made, accurate rifle and its durability is without question. The action of the bolt is so smooth it's as if it were gliding on teflon. I also prefer the excellent rear sight. Well machined and precise, although somewhat more fragile. Great rifle.
@crazyfvck
@crazyfvck 7 жыл бұрын
I prefer the look of this rifle over the No 5. The removal of the stock "socket" makes for a cleaner looking rifle in my opinion.
@Bikerbob59
@Bikerbob59 7 жыл бұрын
Cool rifle
@brucelee3388
@brucelee3388 7 жыл бұрын
The cut outs inside the fore end are actually standard on No.3 & No.4 rifles if you ever strip them that far. I suspect that the barrel profile towards the breech end would have been reduced leaving the muzzle end the same size. It is interesting that a similarly shaped receiver is used on Indian produced 7.62 NATO rifles based on the old No.3 pattern that they issued to Police and other paramilitary organisations.
@lawrencebautista1
@lawrencebautista1 7 жыл бұрын
is the Spanish Mauser model 1892 still there at James Julia auction? I heard it's super rare, this was the precursor of the model 1893.
@thorsenst
@thorsenst 7 жыл бұрын
Long Branch continued manufacturing Enfields until 1950. After that it produced FALs and "modernized" 1919s for the Canadian military. It was privatized in the '80s and became Diemaco before being bought out by Colt, to become Colt Canada. It's future is now of course uncertain because Colt. Your comments in the video made it sound as if it ceased operations at the end of the war.
@KebeQ
@KebeQ 7 жыл бұрын
Steve Thorsen colt canada and colt usa are pretty dang different to be honest
@mymicks21
@mymicks21 7 жыл бұрын
Colt Canada is the current manufacturer of Canada's current standard issue rifle, The C7, and the carbine version, the C8
@thorsenst
@thorsenst 7 жыл бұрын
I understand this but Colt Canada's fortunes are now tied to mothercorp. The recent upheavals at Colt resulted in lay offs at Colt Canada as well. If Colt does not emerge from this latest round of bankruptcy, it is unknown what will happen to Colt Canada.
@CaptainStevens
@CaptainStevens 6 жыл бұрын
Small Arms Limited, located at Long Branch and which made the lightweight rifle did indeed cease operations at the end of 1945. Canadian Arsenals Limited was created, also located at Long Branch, in 1946 and carried on. They assembled about 350 sniper rifles No.4 Mk.I*(T) in the 90L8xxx range; built over 20,000 C No.7 22" Mk.I; M3 aircraft .50 cal for F-86 Sabre jets presumably (a deactivated one was on the web site of The Canadian Soldier in Calgary in September 2017); did DCRA conversions to 7.62mm; built the SMG C1 and FN C1 and C2 etc.
@jayfelsberg1931
@jayfelsberg1931 6 жыл бұрын
The Long Branch No. 4 is the best of that make. Better steel and fine wood make it a particularly fine example. The machining can be a little rough on some, but it is much tighter that the Savage version and better steel the British Fanzys and Maltby WWII models. Mine is a pretty thing to look at and a fine shooter.
@williamprince1114
@williamprince1114 7 жыл бұрын
I think it would have been a nice sporter for commercial sale if there had been a market to exploit.
@durn863
@durn863 7 жыл бұрын
You never notice the "hey guys" until its gone.
@admiralpercy
@admiralpercy 7 жыл бұрын
Ian, what are your thoughts on the "winter triggers" that some rifles tried? Have you ever read a veteran saying, "thank god we had that winter trigger!" or, "we had so many accidental discharges with those damn triggers..."?
@FilmAcolyteReturns
@FilmAcolyteReturns 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you do requests considering most of the guns you find are at auctions, but I think you should do one on the usfa zip gun. That weapon is so weird looking.
@raptorclaw7015
@raptorclaw7015 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a vid on the lend-lease Lee-Enfield if you get an opportunity? My grandpa and I have been using them for years deer hunting and I’ve always been curious about the stamps and modifications he made to them
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules 7 жыл бұрын
Do you think part of why this rifle got rejected was because of how little change there was in barrel length? I was under the impression a good portion of the reason for developing the Jungle Carbines was to reduce the length of an SMLE, and while this prototype did a better job reducing weight, it didn't do much to shave down the barrel length.
@keithsimpson2685
@keithsimpson2685 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine being the Russian who suggested a Rubber recoil pad for the M44 or whatever carbine types. Damn Mosin tiny stock footprint and kicks as hard as any .30 cal rifle.
@Caek1
@Caek1 7 жыл бұрын
Long Branch actually was making .303s into the 1950s. The arsenal eventually closed in the mid 70s.
@MrBioniclefan1
@MrBioniclefan1 7 жыл бұрын
Just imagine a Canadian solider during boot camp aims and fires it and the stock breaks but hits the bulls eye.
@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming
@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming 7 жыл бұрын
They should have looked at something like maybe a .30 carbine design,lighter recoil and a shorter reciever,thus reducing overall length without sacrificing barrel length. Perhaps looking at using laminated stocks may have also been a great choice to increase strength in the milled out furniture
@buckhunter513
@buckhunter513 7 жыл бұрын
This seems kinda random but Idk where else to ask and I'm sure somebody who watches Ian's videos will know the answer. I recently purchased an Enfield No4 Mk1 form a private seller that has no markings on it what so ever besides a century import marking and serial number on the muzzle and stock band. Some of the parts such as the bolt have small singular letters on them that I can see. I'm just curious about the history of the rifle and where it was made. Any info will help. Thank you.
@john88benson
@john88benson 3 жыл бұрын
@Forgotten Weapons according to BotR the No.4s were purposeful stocked up so the barrel had pressure on the nose cap similar to the 1903 Springfield. Bloke indicated this is why sporterizing a No.4 with a free-floating barrel or cutting them down typically decreases accuracy. Did Long Branch take this into account when shortening this experimental rifle or does it suffer the aforementioned decrease in accuracy compared to a traditional No.4?
@cam2351
@cam2351 7 жыл бұрын
I'm in the market for a Glock 21, and I've been hearing how bulky and uncomfortable they are, is there any way someone can give me the diameter of the grip?
@thelonewanderer9856
@thelonewanderer9856 7 жыл бұрын
As the No.8 is going out of service maybe you could get your hands on one of them
@sidewaysrofl
@sidewaysrofl 7 жыл бұрын
Any chance you could review some more modern Canadian guns? Maybe something like the C7A2 rifle, C9 LMG, C6 MM, or browning hi power 9mm? Just asking because I think they are truly forgotten to some extent by the rest of the world, and it would help me learning how the work!
@YouCaughtCzars
@YouCaughtCzars 7 жыл бұрын
jon gandza The British SAS, Denmark, and I think Norway and a few other countries chose the C7/C8 series as their primary service rifle. Hardly forgotten. The Browning Hi Power was a pretty popular handgun worldwide, the C6 is pretty much an FN MAG/ M240 and the C9 is an FN MINIMI/ M249. They're functionally identical to their other counterparts, as is the C7 with the M-16. Not sure if you noticed but this channel's primary focus is older and out of service firearms rather than modern military issue.
@mymicks21
@mymicks21 7 жыл бұрын
The C9 is basically identical to the FN minimi, The C6 is an FN Mag that was imported to Canada (The Canadian Forces guns have Belgian and Canadian serial numbers). The C7 is an M16A2 with some very minor differences. There are plenty of videos on the Browning HP.
@stevestruthers6180
@stevestruthers6180 5 жыл бұрын
@@mymicks21: The C7 doesn't have very minor differences. The C7 has a heavier, hammer-forged barrel which improves accuracy and durability and minimizes the risk of barrel deformation in cold weather conditions (said deformation being caused by constant heating and cooling of the barrel). It also has a heavier bolt and bolt carrier, again improving durability and reliability. The front iron sights are also different and improved over the M16A1 and A2. Over 150 small design changes were made to the original M16A1E1 design to turn the rifle into a C7. The C7, C7A1 and C7A2 all have full-auto capability plus three-round burst and semi-auto capability, while the M16A2 has only semi-auto and three-round burst capability.
@mymicks21
@mymicks21 5 жыл бұрын
@@stevestruthers6180 Heavier versions of the same parts are minor differences. There are no changes in the fundamental function of the firearm. A C7 bolt will work in an M16A2, a C9 barrel will work on an FN Minimi.
@jeffreyfwagner
@jeffreyfwagner 7 жыл бұрын
There must be a story behind how those experimental rifles got into civilian hands. And, is that high gloss finish on the stock intentional? Or is it a later change?
@burtvhulberthyhbn7583
@burtvhulberthyhbn7583 7 жыл бұрын
wandering zero is pretty much an Enfield thing whenever they get hot.
@USSEnterpriseA1701
@USSEnterpriseA1701 7 жыл бұрын
I actually didn't notice there was no butt socket on the receiver till Ian pointed it out, I must be slipping. I don't claim to be any sort of authority on the subject, but, having some experience with a #5 Jungle carbine, I fall into the group that questions the wandering zero idea. Granted, I have a sample size of one, but the carbine I have shot is actually quite accurate out to at least 100 yards (our local range doesn't go any farther than that). I kind of wonder if it wasn't the cordite propellant (powder is kind of the wrong word for cordite) not burning evenly in the short barrel that caused the problem. I seem to recall C&Rsenal mentioning a similar issue with an older Lee carbine that was caused by the cordite not burning properly in the short barrel. If it was the cordite that caused the problem, that would explain why most #5 shooters that I have heard of don't take stock in the wandering zero story, we use different powders that likely burn more consistently in the short barrels than the British were using at the time.
@billg125
@billg125 Жыл бұрын
I want one!!
@AdrenalineJunkieXL
@AdrenalineJunkieXL 7 жыл бұрын
how did they not catch the accuracy issue before they adopted the jungle carbine wouldn't they have used at least one mag of over powered ammo?
@m4ini
@m4ini 7 жыл бұрын
No "hey guys", and a robotic Ian talking at around 3:00 make me think that this is a conspiracy theory. Or fake news.
@TimothyAaronPotts
@TimothyAaronPotts 7 жыл бұрын
A Canadian rifle, eh? a-boot time
@sternstones4871
@sternstones4871 7 жыл бұрын
i can tell you from experience that a lightweight Infield chambered in .303 british kicks like an angry mule. my grandpa's enfield that he sporterised weighs about 6.5 pounds and it lets you know when she goes off.
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 27 күн бұрын
You’d need to laminate such stocks to help them last in .Mil service?
@anhk_yt
@anhk_yt 7 жыл бұрын
all the suggested videos from this, for me are toy channels, not sure whats going on with that haha
@josuelservin2409
@josuelservin2409 7 жыл бұрын
Anhk94 Is because it tagged as educational
@anhk_yt
@anhk_yt 7 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of some kid watching youtube videos and ending up learing about lee enfields
@TheNorthHawk
@TheNorthHawk 5 жыл бұрын
As someone who did parade drill with one of those... I don't know if I could define it as light. Then again, maybe the version I used was the regular Lee Enfield. I thought my collar bone was gonna break after a few hours.
@tannertempleton3404
@tannertempleton3404 11 ай бұрын
You absolutely had the regular No4. These were prototype rifles never issued beyond trails.
@Obscurewatchcollector
@Obscurewatchcollector 7 жыл бұрын
Always love to see Gun Jesus
@MotorStorm66
@MotorStorm66 7 жыл бұрын
i live a few minutes away from the factory where they made this.
@agspittal7804
@agspittal7804 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm stupid, so here's a stupid question: what's the point of extending the stock to cover the front of the barrel? It's absent in "sporting" rifles, but it seems ubiquitous on military rifles despite it's considerable weight. Is it simply to protect the barrel?
@wadekirby8575
@wadekirby8575 7 жыл бұрын
It's main purpose is to protect your hand from the hot barrel if you've been shooting for awhile and find you need to use your bayonet.
@agspittal7804
@agspittal7804 7 жыл бұрын
Surely the small number of bayonet charges carried out by the British and Canadian militaries would have been outweighed by the cost and weight savings, though?
@paulmanson253
@paulmanson253 7 жыл бұрын
AG Spittal Try handling a rifle with a hot barrel while moving around,digging foxholes,getting shot at,grabbing the piece at its point of balance. Not me,but I knew vets from both wars when I was young.Burning your hands is minor to taking a bullet,but it bloody hurts nevertheless.
@agspittal7804
@agspittal7804 7 жыл бұрын
Fair enough, but the BAR had an exposed barrel, and Stg44s and AKs had much more uncovered barrels, and their much higher rates of fire would have led to high barrel temps. It seems there was no shortage of uncovered barrels. Does every Russian conscript from 1950 onwards have two hands full of heat blisters?
@wadekirby8575
@wadekirby8575 7 жыл бұрын
Bayonets were seen as a bigger deal when guns were slower to reload/ held less ammo. It takes time to reload your SMLE from empty. If an enemy pops out at close range when you're gun is empty the blade on the end may be your fastest defensive weapon.
@Boeing_hitsquad
@Boeing_hitsquad 7 жыл бұрын
No4 mk1 and N04 mk1* rifles have differing trigger guard & Hung trigger designs regardless, most every North American made No4 mk1 is a * variant. EDIT: to be clear, this lighter-weight trigger is still different than the mk1* made in North America, but not by much, the whole thing about being able to make the guard aluminum is only applicable to the difference between it and the Mk1 made in Europe.
@Igor_TT
@Igor_TT 7 жыл бұрын
Id buy that. Only thing I dont like elimination of semi pistol grip.
@TheEpictrooper
@TheEpictrooper 7 жыл бұрын
interesting, my family owns a Jungle Carbine and we have never had issues with wandering zero. maybe we just got a lucky rifle haha
@stitch626aloha
@stitch626aloha 3 жыл бұрын
The “wandering zero” really was politically started and then became an industrial standard... reminds me of a certain China-originated biowarfare weapon.
@LieutenantTbone
@LieutenantTbone 7 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early ian wore a red shirt
@1johnnygunn
@1johnnygunn 7 жыл бұрын
Tristin M nice trekkie reference
@LieutenantTbone
@LieutenantTbone 7 жыл бұрын
Actually his shirt used to be red not black at one point
@Oblithian
@Oblithian 4 жыл бұрын
So, why do you think some of these approaches weren't incorporated into the No. 5 development?
@Oblithian
@Oblithian 4 жыл бұрын
For example, the use of alternate materials, action modifications, ...basically everything except the wood (Which I suspect, they could have reduced the amount of material removal to meet an agreeable strength). Do you think practical reasons? Personal disagreements, or just general negative British sentiment toward Canada at the time (given the political situation)?
@tinymud3324
@tinymud3324 7 жыл бұрын
Ian, you failed to mention that the breach diameter of the barrel was milled flat in areas to reduce weight - I owned a #5 MKI Jungle Carbine and never noticed the wandering zero - It was deadly accurate. I cold place 3 shots in the size of a quarter at 88 yards with it using Nitro 180 grain soft point. It may have been a lame excuse for me to buy the gun for $35 ;o) It did come with a solid rubber but stock and flasher. One minor aggravation with the Jungle Carbine is that it balanced right on the magazine and if you carried it in the bush, I would take the magazine out, chamber it and use the 1/2 cock safety. NEVER use the side safety with the gun cocked and chambered as its very easy to disengage if it rubs your clothing. Here's Hickok firing the #5 MKI. He looks rather awkward recycling a Lee Enfield: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbx_ZKqhm6jYenk.html There are probably more Lee Enfield's hidden away in Canadian closets then any other Nation on Earth. Yes I'm Canadian and the Lee Enfield was and probably still is our rifle.
@oscarfloyd2678
@oscarfloyd2678 7 жыл бұрын
Well yeah, the recoil is going to be kinda harsh if you take a 1/4 of the weight off the gun but still leave a full size rifle cartridge in it.
@Crlarl
@Crlarl 7 жыл бұрын
The flag you used is the wrong version of the Canadian Red Ensign. The thumbnail has the 1868 version but it should be the 1921 version.
@minuteman4199
@minuteman4199 7 жыл бұрын
If you make the rifle too light, it's not much use as a club any more.
@HeavyAirflow
@HeavyAirflow 7 жыл бұрын
Could you try and get your hands on a sjögren inertial shotgun it's pretty weird looking and I think it would make a good video
@joehunt1980
@joehunt1980 7 жыл бұрын
Search "Sjögren 12 gauge semi-auto shotgun" on "LifeSizePotato"s channel :-)
@johnyyonehand
@johnyyonehand 7 жыл бұрын
2:55 Robot Ian ?
@Blamzor
@Blamzor 7 жыл бұрын
3:00 in and Ian turns into a robot!
@reddogsaws
@reddogsaws 7 жыл бұрын
we had a no 6 same as no 5 but made on a no 1 m3 here in australia
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 жыл бұрын
I have a video on those coming.
@reddogsaws
@reddogsaws 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks they go for $12000 to $18000 here in australia
@brasstard7.627
@brasstard7.627 7 жыл бұрын
terrence johnson I used to have a no7 jungle carbine that was made by an importer into the US. it was a cut down Lithgow made in 1943 and actually marked jungle rifle on left side of the receiver.
@jayfelsberg1931
@jayfelsberg1931 6 жыл бұрын
Yes many SMLEs and No. 4s were butchered into fake jungle carbines or "tanker" models.
@davidmethvin1705
@davidmethvin1705 7 жыл бұрын
The left out the easy fix the savage rear site 300/600 2 peep
@gruberstein
@gruberstein 5 жыл бұрын
Full power loads and even my light loads bruise my shoulder with my Jung!e carbine after a few shots. I think the rubber pad just makes it worse because it concentrates the kick on a smaller area of the shoulder. That pad would help but the original I think was useless.
@Josh93B93
@Josh93B93 5 жыл бұрын
Why would the US have even bothered testing this in 1943? Weren't they busy putting BAR mags on M1's or something?
@thelizardking3807
@thelizardking3807 7 жыл бұрын
Hey guys
@darianthescorpion1132
@darianthescorpion1132 7 жыл бұрын
Very intriguing. Fine Canadian engineering, eh? O'Canada. We are strong, we are proud, we are free.
@tinymud3324
@tinymud3324 7 жыл бұрын
You're a Hyper Puppy - A Lee Enfield backed up with an SKS and P35 plus an A5 - Save for the SKS were built in Canada and don't forget the FN-FAL C1.
@darianthescorpion1132
@darianthescorpion1132 7 жыл бұрын
Well said, my friend. I haven't forgotten about those. The C1 is a great weapon. The Right Arm of the Free North. (LOL! pun intended) FYI, I am Canadian after all.
@robertkubrick3738
@robertkubrick3738 7 жыл бұрын
Slick bolt rifle. Maybe not the rifle for conscripts but I bet professionals wouldn't be breaking them for concerne they they would be replaced with rifles HEAVIER than the standard rifle!
@killjoycanuck7885
@killjoycanuck7885 2 жыл бұрын
my local gun store has #12 hanging on their wall
@jarofyellow2408
@jarofyellow2408 5 жыл бұрын
Britain:*Makes lee Enfield heavier after ww1* Canada: “hey that’s cool, can you make it lighter?”
@desroin
@desroin 7 жыл бұрын
Hm I always wonder how 303 british stacks up to 30.06 and 8mm Mauser. I always had the impression it is a bit of a weaker cartridge than those two. If anyone who shot this caliber could give me an impression on how it compares to the other two calibers that would be great. (talking about the requoil here)
@johnstacy7902
@johnstacy7902 7 жыл бұрын
DesRoin about 308ish. 303 has probably killed more game world wide then any other carriage.
@desroin
@desroin 7 жыл бұрын
thanks guys! That was exactly what I was thinking I mean of course 303 british is still a full powered cartridge so I can imagine a very light rifle like this still kicks like a mule.
@anhk_yt
@anhk_yt 7 жыл бұрын
All of these rounds are more fairly overpowered for their roles so i dont know how relevant it is.
@beau4687
@beau4687 7 жыл бұрын
I've got 303, 7.62x54, 8x57 and shot plenty of 30-06's The 303 is a little less then a 30-06, which is in terms of recoil is identical to 8x57 in my opionion. With that said I can shoot hundreds of 303 rounds all day long with just a singlet on no problem. Can't say the same for a 7.62x54, I think that more to do with the shape of the buttstock though.
@billpenney8767
@billpenney8767 7 жыл бұрын
30.06 is a better cartridge then the .303 imo, but I still use a Long Branch sporterized 303. It's accurate enough for as well as I can shoot.
@Elajas123
@Elajas123 7 жыл бұрын
Never shot a rifle in 303 british, however a 3kg rifle in that caliber cannot be that bad recoil wise. My hunting rifle in 9,3x57 weighs 3.0kg with a red dot and it's not bad when shooting off-hand. However precision shooting in a bench is not too pleasant when shooting many shots.
@SpartanD63
@SpartanD63 7 жыл бұрын
The .303 actually isn't too bad at all, in terms of recoil. It's more a soft shove than a hard kick, IMO. (And mine has been sporterised with a lighter plastic stock, not by me)
@Elajas123
@Elajas123 7 жыл бұрын
Duncan McAfee i guess its really comparable to 8x57 mauser or like a 308 and those are a joy to shoot. Have you tried a 6,5x55 swedish mauser?
@SpartanD63
@SpartanD63 7 жыл бұрын
Elajas123 I haven't had the chance to yet. Money doesn't ever seem to be there when a gun I'm eying is. lol
@Elajas123
@Elajas123 7 жыл бұрын
Duncan McAfee someday the stars will align! 6,5 swede is a very pleasant cartridge and very good precision potential. F.e most modern tikka 6,5 rifles are sub 1/2 MOA 5 shot groups with match ammo.
@HustleMuscleGhias
@HustleMuscleGhias 6 жыл бұрын
Only if Tapco had been around 70 years earlier they could have saved plenty of weight by using a polymer stock.
@lewisbenzie845
@lewisbenzie845 7 жыл бұрын
He said "butt". :D
@scottleopauld2289
@scottleopauld2289 7 жыл бұрын
I like Forgotten weapons because Ian doesn't constantly push the Second Ammendment down our throats.
@farmerboy916
@farmerboy916 7 жыл бұрын
Scott Leopauld Well, those who do don't understand the second amendment or the constitution in general; the whole idea of the bill of rights was to underline, state, and acknowledge natural rights which enlightenment ideals see as there regardless of any laws supporting or to the contrary of those rights. Such people rather miss the point of the thing they're touting.
@robertcurtis1191
@robertcurtis1191 7 жыл бұрын
whats weird is when i removed my butt socket i GAINED weight.
@Crlarl
@Crlarl 7 жыл бұрын
Robert Curtis Ewww.
@Pitchlock8251
@Pitchlock8251 7 жыл бұрын
Its kinda funny how they are worried about recoil.. 303 aint exactly a powerhouse of a cartridge.
@user-of7ls9gq9d
@user-of7ls9gq9d 7 жыл бұрын
Pitch Lock It's still fairly powerful--certainly powerful enough to be considered a full-power rifle round.
@andreweisen3314
@andreweisen3314 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to support on patreon but I don't have money😣
@ScreamingSturmovik
@ScreamingSturmovik 7 жыл бұрын
HAZZA FOR CANADA!!!! eh
@Gehusheuehhdhebheuhe
@Gehusheuehhdhebheuhe 7 жыл бұрын
Aa
@josuelservin2409
@josuelservin2409 7 жыл бұрын
Mashable One, Not even a "first"... Kids this days... XD
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 7 жыл бұрын
Mashable One a I suspect KZfaq farm account, it has to make comments on enough different channels to slip past the filters so it can sell likes rates and subscribes
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