growmau5 thank you for your contribution to grow man kind thanks to you I have one of the best lights in a 3x3 space thank you so much for showing me the way 9 cxb3590s 1400ma

growmau5 this was fricken great , I will check them out

Possible collab with pro grow and chilled...???? Had my eye on progrow but can’t seem to get over their price point...that’s me tho and I understand quality is a big part of it and they have it 100%

Great clip! I've been a fan of PGT since we first started using them at a dispensary here in AZ. Posted a video of them on my channel if you'd like to see em in action! :)

came out good 'nuff. thx for grabbin some relevant info for the community

Gave a way better view of your product, might get an ev700 instead of another spyder now :)

BAAALLLLEERRRR

Happy G. - it turns into a functional hobby :)

The Sceptical Chymist thanks

420panda bandana same exact thoughts

Joshua Steensland I thought you were going with Chilled?

Sal Blydenburgh we are still going with them for a different build. Absolutely love the chilLED.

fuck natural.

Our EV700 weighs 50 pounds

and hes not saying anything new, its all 1970-1980 science, people been using this spectum combo forever

Stay with HID we always yeild the most with the best Quality we have perfectly balanced spectrum bulbs now and Dimmers and AC Reflectors if it's Not broke don't try to fix it common sense a $100 dollar HID ballast will BLOW ANY $2000 dollar LED panels out the water with Quality and Yeild unless the LED lights are putting 1000 Watts from the wall but then again you would never to be able to place LED lights close to the plants as we do HID lights!!!!!

@@mackattack8627 Hmm.. I see. Thanks for the message man. Do you think much of the HLG 550 V2, apparently that's the boss atm.. well judging from a few videos and the stats they put out on their website. Seems to match up to a 1000w set up as far as nanomole, par etc (basically not w). I sometimes keep my hps like 6-12 inches away from the middle plant, while a 16 inch fan is hitting them constantly and intermittent exhaust. Hope they don't get stressed, plus I want tight nodes and not a lanky ending. I guess the LEDs kill or mess up the plants at that range? Surly if the HLG or any other light is on par with single ended hps and < costs less to run it should be done? What you think chief?

@@ross4675 The only way you gonna match a 1000 watt HID is you have to pull the same Electricty from the wall some panels can achieve this with less wattage if they are using the glass projector lenses over the cobs the Next light mega uses 3000k and 5000k led diodes to get basically a 4000k Spectrum which is Stupid because all they had to to is use 4000k diodes 🤣🤣🤣🤣

The Optic 8 panel claims 500watt and grow 2 1/2 pounds while using Chinese Rebranded panels plus the panels have 8 fans meaning the panel can only be a 400watt panel minus the current draw from the 8 fans🤔 when Growing cannabis indoors the plant can only achieve the yeilds in wattage pulled from the wall and a Master Grower to get a 1 gram per watt or above With perfect environment and high yeild strains plain and simple

I'm actually going to buy several Aglex 2000/400 watt LED panels simply because of the price and Quality and spectrum but again a 600 to 1000 watt HID with 3000 to 4000k mh bulb can't be beat in Yeild and Quality and Coverage many people just complain about the heat from the fixtures because they don't understand how to vent them correctly or not using AC Reflectors back in the days we only had industrial mh bulbs with magnetic ballast and no Air Cooled Hoods or Reflectors and did just fine 🤓

That’s a good question

Simon www.progrowtech.com/product/ev700/ Evolve EV700 is the true HPS killer. With enough intensity to maximize yields for the most hearty sativa strain, and on-board dimming function and precise spectral adjustment, this is the ultimate fixture for your flowering phase. Clearly more powerful than high-end HPS. Up to 900 average PPFD delivered in a 4’x4’ light pattern with best-in-class uniformity. 700W Max Power (Savings of more than 300w over leading HPS solutions.) Advanced full-spectrum LED Canopy intensity and yields to rival HPS Industry-leading fixture efficiency Full 4×4 light print Best-in-the-world uniformity Designed for vertical racking 2xuwao2gok1v2wn2em9n5ys8-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/SPYDR-Series-171214.pdf

And I thought the spydr was $. This gives you spectrum control and maybe higher build quality, but is that worth it.... I donno. Not to me, but that's because I'll never pay more than I can do diy unless I had to buy a bunch of fixtures at once.

Our overall efficiency is 2.1 µmol/j.

This stuff is marketed heavily to cannabis growers as they are the only ones that can really afford this high tech stuff. Cannabis is an extremely high value cash crop and the industry is greatly increasing in size at the moment. As a result there is extra money for experimentation, and this stuff can greatly affect marijuana yield which doesn't really matter much for a leafy green or tomato. Edit: The light being demoed in front of them costs about $2200 for a 4'x4' unit, before tax.

yes because money grows on TREES

Nono deltoro watching the videos, he mentions the size is 4x4 with their coverage 4c4

4x4

ok sooo bad my grow space is 33,5" x 75" , no product for this kind of size :'(

Not yet but we do have a smaller sized fixture coming soon!

Not yet but we do have a smaller sized fixture coming soon!

Looks like they built those strips or had them produced custom for them... I say that due to the increased diode density on the ends and the multiple color channels, I doubt they are pre made strips they just picked up. Some hlg strips or if you can get lucky finding something on Alibaba would be your closest config these days, but you lose color channels. Maybe greengene or another board producer could add some to their to do list. It is a nice layout. (lots of $$ in heatsink though, I wonder if plain aluminum can do a good enough job...)

I think it’s going to be the LED placement intensity & density and the spectrums that differentiate this from the spider ex which goes for about 1500 for the first 10.

ledgardener.com/forum good source of info for DIY!!

Jolly Green Giant thanks

Jolly Green Giant _ thanks for the reminder! Forgot to check the forum out.

Plus in a commercial setting everything 277v and juice is 1/3 the price.

400v

RobClayJoker Neils lights are straight from China you can go buy the exact same light and put your own company logo on it for a hell of a lot less than what Neil charges.

OrganicOG FarmzZzZz you're completely ignorant but are desperate to have an opinion.

OrganicOG FarmzZzZz by the way, companies are out there ripping off Neil's spectrum, not the other way around. You have no clue what you're talking about.

RobClayJoker hahahahahahahH you're a fucking Idiot Neil Doesn't Make shit He buys his lights from China THAT'S A FACT. HE'S BEEN EXPOSED BY PLENTY OF PPL ON INSTAGRAM AND YT DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP BEING SO FUCKING GULLIBLE

OrganicOG FarmzZzZz what's been exposed? It's no secret that his lights are made in China like damn near every grow light company on the Earth. What are you a moron? WOW you got him! What have you done by the way?? You have ZERO content and probably don't even grow. Neil makes a quality product and offers it at an affordable price, unlike just about every other LED company. What the fuck is your problem???

Alpine Play was wondering the same,great ?, but wasn't answered... even after he said it's a heavy light??

Hey there! The EV700 weighs 50 pounds.

Dude said deploy like a hundred times

make your own

Peter XYZ 2200 plus shipping

Sell your car and get one light

Haha for this price you can buy 2000W in LM561C Diods (Samsung F/H Strips and Quantum Boards)

gerald West - I used the same thing for my first light!

wtf u talking about, thats the standard. gpw or dont even bother.

bishplis wtf are you talking about is the better question. What does grams per watt have anything to do with what I said??

IP66, spectral control, industrial construction - that shit doesnt come for free. Sure, we can DIY something similar for cheaper but big commercial growers aint DIYing their lights.

I didn't expect anything to be free. I personally value time over money, so I would pay more for a professionally built light to save me hours of time and a massive headache. There just has to be a justification for the price you charge for a good or service. IP66 that's cool if you want to hose down your lights, but i guarantee you NOBODY will do. My phone is waterproof up to 3 meters, but I won't even take it in the shower. It's too much of an investment to risk damaging same thing goes with a grow light. "Spectral control" is cool but not something that add's that much cost to the unit. As far as the term "Industrial Construction", that's just a selling point, and has no real meaning. I deal with salesmen almost everyday. They can find words to make dog shit sound technical. Not saying this light is dog shit but you get what I mean... I work in manufacturing. Their material cost's are probably only $400-$500 max depending on how good their buyer is, source of materials (domestic or foreign) etc. Labor cost probably $100 at most if they are having one person assembling each unit from start to finish and he is a licensed electrician, but that's doubtful. So max cost per unit around $600. At a selling price of $2200, that's a 72% gross profit margin. profit margins vary by industry but most hover around 30%, so for them to be shooting for 70% they would need some kind of patented ground breaking new product, which they don't. But hey, if they want to be the designer handbags of the horticulture world they're well on their way. TL;DR: These lights are overpriced. (i'm sure you already knew that)

mrtimjitsu - ehh, reliable waterproofing isn't cheap. And that's a lot of mid power led boards... If they don't have in house machines they have to sub it out. 10c a component is a discount for that service (plus if you go to China you pay 2x because they steal your design) .... I'd say your estimate is 400 - 500 low (don't forget benefits for employees too, healthcare is expensive... Like I even needed to say that). even in business raw materials like aluminum aren't much cheaper than we can get it ourselves.

Dude Guy - that's not an argument.

volvo09 - you think my estimate is low by 400-500 PER UNIT because of a monthly health insurance premium that they may or may not pay? That's assuming they are even assembling these in-house. Have you ever bought large quantities of aluminum before? What seems like "not much cheaper" to a person buying a couple sheets from their local metal yard is A LOT cheaper to someone buying thousands of pounds of it. Also they're using extruded aluminum channel for the framing. Extrusions are priced by linear ft. not lb. Also the die for the extrusion most certainly patented. So the price also depends on the type of channel because they target certain industries and price it accordingly. So you could be paying more 8-10x more per lb than sheet aluminum. There is A LOT of wiggle room in the price if you are going to buy large quantities of extruded aluminum straight from the mill or a broker.

@LEDBuilder dot-org quantum boards,fluence,or cobs whats best?

In 18 months it will still be ahead of hps.

MrChiangching and then 18 months you're still going to be paying for it. 😂 by then there will be something twice as good as this for half the cost but you're still going to be paying for this old 💩

You have no idea what you're talking about, there is nothing on the horizon that is more than about 5 than about 5 percent better and maybe slightly cheaper. Stick to what you know.

MrChiangching by your reply I can identify that you sir "know nothing" but it's common for people like you to hide behind your keyboard and put other people down with your personal obscured subjective reality. Good day.

LEDBuilder dot-org it's funny how you are focused on only one aspect of my entire comment and completely ignored the ideology of it but we all know why.... because that's your machination. In response to your sophomoric question. Yes, HID lighting has advanced from when it first hit the market place to where it is now. Look up ceramic metal halide, look up Pulse start metal halide, look up dual arcing metal halide, look up dual arcing HID, look up advanced color spectrums for HID lighting & I can go on and on. To ask such a imbecilic question and yet profess to be in the business, really outlines the core of the problem here. In addition, you're puerile reference to air conditioning is laughable. Here is an ingenious idea, vent your HID lights. This is for you 😂😂😂😂. Now on to the new brobdingnagian problem. The completely narcissistic thing you're saying here is for me to agree with you! Furthermore, to complete your narcissism and your narcissistic ideology you're actually telling me what I should write, for my agreeance with you. WOW. 😮 Okay, I will patronize you're repugnant, narcissistic personality. "There is such awesome LED technology coming in the future this light will look like old 💩 even though it still performs well." Are you happy? Now with that being said; firstly, that's a fluctuates statement with no validity! Secondly, to be completely honest with you, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Now back to the subject matter, cost versus performance. I have already said what I said, you should read it again. I know my comment (even in it's simplest form given) was a very complex, business ideology & perspective. However, maybe if you reread it several times over and over (very slow) you will come to a understanding. Maybe there's a close friend or relative you can get in touch with during your time of imprudence. I feel you should refrain from making comments in reference for your company. Your nonsensical, obtuse & stolid thinking and comments will not progress you in any way shape or form, personally or professionally. PS. The next time I talk to you or give you advice, you're going to have to pay me 💰!! No more freebies for you kid!! Trades are paid for not taught. Mic drop!!

Dankady Bong i gotta say iv spoken to mau5 on many occasions as most of u have, n WOW not only a led effiency machine but hes extremely humble and very nice n informative, my face cannabis personality on you tube! love ya @growmau5

Dankady Bong mau5 is jus a grow god who understood the genius of led!

hey i need advice on off grid

iv had 2 led grows .. 2x2 n 3x4 got 5 ozs out of 2x2x6 w plat p300 .. 3x4 p300 cree n 315w ledgle