Capital punishment, sexism and the Lionesses, and Ed's fishphobia

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Capital punishment, sexism and the Lionesses, and Ed's fishphobia | Pubcast #17

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We've a cracker for you today.
After the England team lost against Spain in the World Cup Final, we're talking the inherent sexism in the country's reaction to the achievement, and the grim reality of women's football at large.
Then, we're talking about Lucy Letby, and the country's trigger finger when it comes to demanding the death penalty when heinous cases come to light.
Finally, a classic PolJOE tangent after we all find out that Ed has a fear of fish. He also doesn't like to eat fish, but that's unrelated.
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@PoliticsJOE Жыл бұрын

Get on our subreddit and join in on the PoliticsJOE lore r/politicsjoe

@LimeyRedneck Жыл бұрын

Or Ed's a silly salmon?.. 🐟

@jzilla1234 Жыл бұрын

@@LimeyRedneckthat emoji looks more like a blue tin atlantic tuna

@CursethemJ Жыл бұрын

Make me daddy

@LimeyRedneck Жыл бұрын

@@jzilla1234 I thought that too - more representation for tuna! ✊

@user-xl2ir1nv9t Жыл бұрын

Economic capital punishment

@rgxwrestlingmedia Жыл бұрын

The episode without drinking beer is the one that turned out most like a pub conversation 😂

@zooblestyx Жыл бұрын

This is top tier, elite content. Cracked me up several times. Also "piss, shit and kiss" needs to go on a shirt, as does Ed's floor plan. Obviously.

@kumoryuu Жыл бұрын

I'd buy it!

@sfshinz Жыл бұрын

“The German Might Have a Fish” could go on back of the shirt.

@NotThatOneThisOne Жыл бұрын

and "I think you're underestimating how cool it would be to be in a jacuzzi with a full size tuna"

@NotThatOneThisOne Жыл бұрын

tuna compared to human compared to salmon

@elliotimanpour343 Жыл бұрын

While not related to this specific pubcast, the cheems meme dog has passed away. It was always a favourite, when Ollie brought it out, to discuss a point.

@LimeyRedneck Жыл бұрын

💔

@PoliticsJOE Жыл бұрын

Minute's silence at the next episode

@kumoryuu Жыл бұрын

@@PoliticsJOE There better be, we'll hold you to account

@cappinjocj9316 Жыл бұрын

Aww, sad news.

@cappinjocj9316 Жыл бұрын

Aww, sad news.

@Will_3rd Жыл бұрын

The Pubcast is quickly becoming my favourite comedy podcast.

@erikasutherland6187 Жыл бұрын

“Oh well I’m sorry everyone went to the Caribbean as children apparently and saw big tuna” 🤣🤣🤣

@ItsMeHarry Жыл бұрын

I love the disbelief that no one is watching the pubcast because of how absurd it gets, then we end up on Ed in a jacuzzi with a large but supple tuna

@mickeywilliams3113 Жыл бұрын

Doing a Rory Stewart X PoliticsJOE deep dive into criminal justice would be nice!

@PoliticsJOE Жыл бұрын

It's coming

@crayontom9687 Жыл бұрын

Ask him how he thinks austerity impacted the criminal justice system

@andy_ppp Жыл бұрын

He unsurprisingly thinks he was right despite no other country having to do it, historically cheap borrowing and stagnation the the UK is experiencing now.

@nomoreheroes93 Жыл бұрын

I think you should start naming these like Friends episodes, this would be - The One Where They Talk About Piss

@jzilla1234 Жыл бұрын

And spawning salmon

@kumoryuu Жыл бұрын

Piss, Shit, Salmon and Tuna - PSST

@martinallen9067 Жыл бұрын

I love how 40% of this pubcast was dedicated to tuna

@CursethemJ Жыл бұрын

Best one so far, less politics and more stories of Ed's phobia's and Ava's friends who get footballers

@123eee Жыл бұрын

Ava's issue with men talking about the women in their lives when discussing women's football was just a whisper away from what I think is the stronger point: we still take it as the norm that women can look up to and see the world through the lens of both other women and men (see: literature, sport, film, music, etc.), whilst men can only do this with other men.

@5hif7yx86 Жыл бұрын

not all men. We aren't all ignorant fucks lol.

@nickalotdegit Жыл бұрын

Not sure that your point is indeed "stronger", but definitely salient.

@diabl2master 10 ай бұрын

But part of the point in all of it was that suddenly many more women were inspired by the Lionesses in a way they hadn't with men's football, which contradicts the first half of your point I think. I think people of all walks of life are more typically personally inspired more by people similar to them

@supersonicsjm Жыл бұрын

Can confirm, Yu-Gi-Oh is still going and it's very different from how it was about 10-15 years ago.

@garethdaglishgd Жыл бұрын

Hogging all the bubbles might be my favorite quote of all time

@FullMetalAsh Жыл бұрын

"Do you think she's evil?" ... "Camilla?" Classic.

@sfshinz Жыл бұрын

Priti “Vacant” Patel.

@drinnik Жыл бұрын

How come when I say I’m glad the men’s World Cup is over the worst I get is called a killjoy, but if I say I’m glad the women’s World Cup is over I’m called a sexist? I’m not a sexist. I just hate football.

@geekexmachina Жыл бұрын

I was out of the room when you started talking about Fish and thought you were talking about Alex Salmon lol

@melissadiarne1118 Жыл бұрын

Everyone Google’s spawning salmon v’s normal salmon 😂

@OneFaintingRobin Жыл бұрын

I am so glad Ed made the Camilla joke, because it was my first instinct too and I'd have been disappointed if no-one picked up on it.

@sfshinz Жыл бұрын

I was the same, except I thought it was Priti Patel, not Camilla. I thought, "Well, duh!"

@ovilord Жыл бұрын

I totally get Ava's point about people not engaging with football (or indeed anything regarding women's involvement in...well, society) for the right reasons, but also get Ollie's point that the level of engagement is at least better than the alternative of not caring at all. I also thing that the latter is likely to naturally lead to the former, just not within a single generation. It's not ideal, but I do think it's better. That said, I'm a bloke so take that with a shaker of salt.

@kdog4587 Жыл бұрын

It works in other ways too, I work in engineering and am the only woman in my office and I have ZERO interest in any sport mens or women's and haven't watched a football match ever, including the women's world cup. The AMOUNT of shit I get or piss taking for me not being a feminist or 'how are we better feminists because we're watching it' jibes from the guys there, as they simultaneously watch Andrew Tate and spout red pill trad wife shit, is infuriating. It's not seen as just a good sporting event to watch, there's still some kind of negativity or mocking or something in there. Like, ohh it's good *for women*, or they've done well *for women* followed by a get back in the kitchen joke. I'm really pleased more people are watching in general and hope it long continues, not just sports wise but stem and politics and filmmaking etc until it's not even considered surprising that we watch both or have both men and women and it's not gimmicky, but that can't happen unless it's not used as a tool to criticise women and men who just aren't interested in it in general or where we like play off each other or use it as a stick to beat people with. If you like sport, watch both. If you like movies, don't just not watch a movie because it's made by a woman or assume women led films will not be for you if you're a bloke. Just support the shit you like regardless of who's doing what. I dunno, I'm probably just pissed off with how gross the guys I work with are haha

@northwall9243 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic intro, felt like Craig Charles from his Robot Wars era was in the studio. Also an incredible Ava quote "Would you rather run onto the battlefield (the Somme) or be among one large fish?"

@sfshinz 11 ай бұрын

“The German might have a fish!”

@grammy2838 Жыл бұрын

Please introduce him as Ed "The Dragon" Campbell from now on

@repairupdaterepeat5815 Жыл бұрын

15:00 I completely agree with santini here, but there is another angle I see it from. I fucking hate football. No matter who's playing it, men or women, I hate it just as much. That ladies and gentlemen is equality!

@Esther-Pesta Жыл бұрын

Did you guys swap out the booze for some dope brownies on this episode? 😂

@AlexMartynwood Жыл бұрын

That escalated quickly...

@brianterry8775 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed the conversation about the fish phobia - but I do wish you discussed the death penalty a bit more rather than going on a tangent 😂

@pirsteslifesavvy Жыл бұрын

Came for the politics, stayed for the Blue eyes white dragon call back

@MrAtticus555 11 ай бұрын

Please never stop doing these. I love you guys.

@wesleylang172 Жыл бұрын

This was unhinged and I loved every second of it.

@diabl2master 10 ай бұрын

"So glad my daughter gets to watch this" Oh my god 😂

@psychedelicpegasus7587 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the point about sucking the limelight. The narcissism is UNREAL. It's pathetic and disgusting.

@Aubrey_Harris Жыл бұрын

Priti Patel makes a claim of deterrence with ZERO evidence of deterrence. She has to bear the burden of proof that it would deter if she is to make that claim while using it to take the life of someone convicted. The evidence available all indicates there is no deterrent effect unique to the death penalty.

@geekexmachina Жыл бұрын

Whats the betting that if capitol punishment came back the first crime to go one the list would be entering the country illegally... as a deterant.....

@ian_b5518 Жыл бұрын

On the topic of Salmon - Ava 'so Ed(sic) will go back to Glasgow" - I lost it at that one

@albertbrammer9263 Жыл бұрын

Ed was being tarot told he is really Welsh, not Scottish.

@ravenofra1114 Жыл бұрын

definition of a slow news week!

@PoliticsJOE Жыл бұрын

amen

@reverendroar Жыл бұрын

The Tuna debate is why this is the best podcast in the land!

@samdegoeij6576 Жыл бұрын

Also Ed, tuna don't eat humans, they eat other fish. Being dropped between tuna will definetly attract sharks, orca's and dolphins. Tuna will get up to 300kg or so but their mouth is rather small. Also, tuna are endangered now due to overfishing.

@Notalloldpeople Жыл бұрын

Atlantic salmon don’t all die after spawning whereas the pacific species mostly do..

@bensalt1185 Жыл бұрын

From my understanding of history the reason the UK Government got rid of capital punishment in the first place wasn't because we suddenly became less barbaric but it was because of the numbers of miscarriages of justices that had already killed innocent people in the 1940s.

@markdean3401 Жыл бұрын

The idea that footballers have outsourced their morality due to their environment - and that they haven't progressed mentally - is interesting. Could the same be applicable to public school children e.g. Tory MPs?

@johnwelch5132 Жыл бұрын

Ava sums the football up perfectly

@GordonReidZA Жыл бұрын

Transportation (shipping people to Australia and the Carolinas) was used as a punishment but it was also used as a method of increasing British colonial power in the regions in question.

@Welcome_The_Revolution Жыл бұрын

Absolutely banging episode!! Had me in stitches several times, love it!

@kalebdaark100 Жыл бұрын

Not so much PoliticsJOE as LifeasEd

@Hughrom0920 Жыл бұрын

At 38:05 - The context for ‘an eye for an eye’ is that justice can’t be more extreme than the crime committee - I.e taking someone’s land can’t be punished with death. It’s archaic now, but a large movement forward at the time.

@chrissilver7719 Жыл бұрын

I am Scottish and I was indifferent the only thing against England's woman's football team was all the gits who would have used it as some sort of flaggshagging exercise.

@Jl200 Жыл бұрын

I think they hit the nail on the head that there’s been a 100 years to build up animosity against the English Men’s team, while the English Women’s team feels relatively new, so there’s not been the chance to build that rivalry between Scotland and England in the same way as in Men’s football. For example, I have zero interest in cricket, so couldn’t care less if England win or not.

@Osammar100 Жыл бұрын

It was about 10 mins into the tuna chat that i realised I'd been listening to 10 mins of tuna chat.

@Storm1312 Жыл бұрын

That Hislop/Patel clip is farcical, it's like she just doesn't understand reality.

@NewExperienceExplorer Жыл бұрын

Man i love these 3, imagine smoking with all 3 of these guys , Christ you would not be able to gasp for air seriously :)))))))).

@Patrick-jj5nh Жыл бұрын

Oli made a mistake when talking about the Spanish team and their issues with the manager - who is a different guy from the head of the Spanish football association (also a man) who did all the kissing and stuff...

@c.j.griffin Жыл бұрын

38:40 'An eye for an eye' was not necessarily a literal endorsement of either corporal or capital punishment, but an argument for justice to be proportionate to the crime committed (i.e. like-for-like). 'Love Hermeneutics, Hate Nonces, It's the PoliticsJoe Godcast Everyone!'

@deanlolxd Жыл бұрын

'Ollie is scrolling through fish' would you say he was on plenty of fish

@neildundee Жыл бұрын

Ed's "goldenboi" tag needs to be changed to "80% dragonboi"

@EamonCoyle Жыл бұрын

Men have got sexual assault charges for a lot less than what that Spanish predator did !!

@johnmatthews7552 11 ай бұрын

Re the nurse getting a rough ride in jail, a woman I knew was in Durham at the same time as Rose West and the other women had to sign agreement to stand off

@sandham Жыл бұрын

The point about "Jonny Vaughan" supporting the other teams team" is right. It seems a wasted opportunity that Women's football is totally affiliated with Men's football teams. A lot of people (me included) would have issue supporting Anyone other than Arsenal Ladies, because I support Arsenal Men. If women's teams were independent of that - North London Rovers? or Manchester FC then I would be free to support a completely different women's side to my men's affiliation.

@danmoar94 Жыл бұрын

"On my honeymoon..." 😂 well that's still better than "on my stag.."

@theswiv Жыл бұрын

Great pod!

@andrewcampbell312 Жыл бұрын

I normally like the pubcast but yous barely spent Any time on Letby and I was genuinely interested in your thoughts

@turtleswatter21 Жыл бұрын

I entirely get Ava's point about using the "I have a daughter/wife" meme in relation to sexual assault etc. It's as if they need to have an excuse to all the other men out there to empathise, instead of having the courage to say "it's wrong, full stop". However I don't conflate it with the new interest in women's sport. My husband has been watching women's sport for many years now: Rugby, cricket, golf and football. He says that often the style of play is different (skill and tactic based, rather than raw power) but just as entertaining as the men's sport. Over the years he's gone to the pub and tried to advocate women's sport but he's beaten his head against the brick wall assumption that because they're not as fast or as powerful then they can't be as good. In the past year those attitudes have changed quite dramatically - hence the queueing up to see the final in pubs. Appreciation of women's sports is quite a new thing and I think we have to give it a chance to settle down while people discover and are surprised about how good it is. Eventually I can see the scenario that Ava would like to see coming true, but it's a bit soon yet.

@mansnotbot4160 Жыл бұрын

I'm not a lawyer, but I have a law degree. Can someone explain why Priti Patel kept saying "burden of proof"?

@DumfRen Жыл бұрын

To take a life when a life has been lost is revenge, it is not justice. Attributed to Archbishop Desmond Tutu

@veggienugnugs Жыл бұрын

Crowd funder - if Politics Joe raises £10,000 then you do a Pubcast in an aquarium, and Ed must attend :p

@maxthompson6932 Жыл бұрын

Ed was just tricked into playing Magic

@Cotonetefilmmaker Жыл бұрын

there is also deterrence. Does putting this one person in prison for stealing a car stop someone else from stealing a car ?

@joejanota707 Жыл бұрын

The statement on success and the arrested development of the individual is well documented and recognized. This isn't just about money though. It can be around anything valued by the individual. I wont get into the details but it's basically the stagnation of development as a learned behavior to maintain success regardless of it being useful or not.

@lkhvw2042 Жыл бұрын

Petition for "piss me quick" hats with joe politics branding please 😂

@davepubliday6410 Жыл бұрын

As I understand it, and I don’t claim to be right, “an eye for an eye” was meant to lessen punishment, not call for more. It’s saying, don’t kill people for everything, rather, only inflict the harm on them that they did to you. In a way, it’s an anti-death penalty directive (for anything other than murder). Jesus came along and added that people shouldn’t even call for revenge, that we should turn the other cheek.

@samsamtherising Жыл бұрын

Media Darling has strange arms, cute hair though 😂😂😂

@tbrooke3016 Жыл бұрын

When we started with Oli's friend shitting I thought that was where the unhinged bar would be set 😅. But somehow now

@DavidGoldK Жыл бұрын

The hooked jaw on a male salmon is called a kype

@catherineboland6751 Жыл бұрын

That shower sex story had me absolutely howling laughing.

@Gramsci Жыл бұрын

I actually listened to every minute of the fish discussion

@sherzz Жыл бұрын

I tuned in specifically to hear about Gillian Keegan 😠

@kumoryuu Жыл бұрын

[smacks lips] What a shame. Better luck next time

@Crumbleofborg Жыл бұрын

That wasn't Tarot, that was Pokémon.

@cameroncollins3451 Жыл бұрын

Did you guys smoke a joint before recording this?

@GeeZuss360 Жыл бұрын

Really appreciated Ava’s point on Football; however it think there’s a slight blind spot in so far as yes we need to convince the predominantly male sponsors to fund the ladies game. But we also need to see ladies buying tickets along with the men. It’s a revenue sport and if no one is buying tickets, no one is sponsoring

@YouMeUpto3 Жыл бұрын

So glad there was no news this week, just the spiciest takes

@reverendroar Жыл бұрын

You should do a phobia podcast episode where you all and the crew just go through your phobias and fears. I’d pay for that

@sfshinz Жыл бұрын

Ava’s just admitted to claustrophobia, which unfortunately isn’t nearly as funny as Ed’s ichtyophobia.

@jzilla1234 Жыл бұрын

I need to see that paddling pool with tuna slap video

@NinoBaggins Жыл бұрын

The way Ollie spoke about Salmons, I know he played out Salmon Dance as a younger man

@MattHealey. Жыл бұрын

Cte is a massive issue in the nfl and has been for years. It’s still happening despite the protective gear. There was a player called junior seau who killed himself because of the damage being hit in the head caused and wanted a study done on what his career had done to his brain

@Bowleskov Жыл бұрын

Ava's point about support for the lionesses is right. But... Showing the boys how it was done is a point that was made about the Euro win repeatedly. it has sadly become gendered like blue and pink. I like football and enjoyed it as a free to view match. But I grew up in an area where a young girl who grew up to be Ellen White couldn't find a team once the FA banned her from playing in boys teams, the fact girls can now find a team is the Lionesses achievement but I think that started under Hope Powell.

@sfshinz 11 ай бұрын

Sounds like Ed was using Oracle Cards, not Tarot (and yes, I did grow up in Marin County in the ‘70’s).

@TheLuketh1990 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the final for the women even though we lost, but there is a big difference in watching the guys play, passes are much quicker/smoother, goals are more fun to watch, sorry

@MabDarogan2 Жыл бұрын

The English wanted to establish a colony in Australia, but at the time, that was not a pleasant prospect. The easiest method was to empty the prisons.

@Wang_Monkey Жыл бұрын

Whoever is making your thumbnails is trolling you guys! xD Be back to listen tomorrow, help me get through work!

@pandemoniumgaming6344 Жыл бұрын

This is all so true about football and just generally the sexism against women. As someone that isn't a football fan (don't hate it but just doesn't interest me) I see exactly what Ava said and how crazy men are with football and defending and all the patronising sexism even when trying to be positive and not sexist. She's right that only when we don't see any difference between what men and women are doing will there be true equality between the sexes.

@samdegoeij6576 Жыл бұрын

Trout also swim upstream Oli.😅

@albertbrammer9263 Жыл бұрын

The biggest issue with Lucy Letby is that we need some how to understand why she did it.

@crayontom9687 Жыл бұрын

Sociopathy or psychopathy. That’s it, no point trying to find motive

@ovilord Жыл бұрын

We don't need to, we want to. Instead of focusing on our macabre fascination we should focus on the governance failures that led to her being able to commit the crimes. Understanding the psychology of someone like Letby is difficult. Understanding the psychology of a boardroom of useless, profit driven hospital administrators is not.

@davidbates3057 Жыл бұрын

Ava sets out a great point about the women's game. I don't give a crap about football either way, but I do have to roll my eyes at all the platitudes I've seen come out about it. Sunak, Starmer, and the royals were particularly funny when it was news that none of them could be bothered to even turn up to the game, when you know damn well had it been the men's finals both would have all been front and centre making sure they got their positive PR with the doting masses. As far as I'm concerned, so long as the athletes got paid the same (they probably didn't) then good on them for getting to the final of their respective careers, and good luck on winning it next time or some time. But other than that, maybe I'm a party pooper, but I find there are more important things going on than the results of a sport, whatever it is.

@1969JohnnyM Жыл бұрын

Women's football in fact women's team sports full stop need to be supported by other women. Sadly stats show that whilst many men have a huge interest in sport most women don't and that they are more likely to be interested in what the Kardashian's are doing.

@Hennersthedeafmute Жыл бұрын

Come on Ava, you couldn’t drop the RSPCA a quick email about those lobsters? Instead, Lobster Somme. Great podcast though. :)

@cappinjocj9316 Жыл бұрын

This episode should have been titled “Kissed and then S*at”. 👍

@kieran465 Жыл бұрын

Salmon-cast was pretty great honestly guys.

@tbrooke3016 Жыл бұрын

"kissing pissing and shitting" t-shirts cursed pol joe merch??????

@chrishughes3405 Жыл бұрын

So that hangover has passed.

@eyesthatwatch69 Жыл бұрын

You cant say you hate nonces and criticise prison yard violence, the word nonce is an acronym, for not on normal comunal excercise- meaning peadophiles get shanked if they are allowed outside with gen pop.